1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: my name is Noah. 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: You are here. 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Previously, 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 4: on Stuff they don't want you to know, we dove 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 4: deep into one of histories enduring mysteries, the idea of 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: something called the Anu Naki. What did we walk away 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: with in chapter one of that exploration. 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: Well, we came away with a lot of the myths 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: that were surrounding this part of the world at a 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: very specific time. And we were talking far far, far bce. 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 2: Do we have a time frame for when the Anunaki 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 2: Sumerian gods were roman around. 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like before numbers were a concept, Yes. 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: Exactly, precisely, a long, long, long, long time ago where 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: these kinds of stories were you know, originally told, right, 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: And that's how a lot of these stories go and then, 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: as we've said before about all these kinds of myths 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: and ancient concepts, a lot of it is passed down 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: orally before it becomes finally written down and maybe finds 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: its way into a great tale of some sort, like 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: an epic. 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: Perhaps m yes, a narrative, a myth, a shared story. 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 4: We mentioned a lot of this in our first chapter 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: of our exploration of the Anunaki, and look, if we're 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: gonna be honest, folks, the Annaki went through a lot 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 4: of what studio execs these days would call rebranding, right, 35 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: you know, the Samerian civilization had one pitch, the Akkadian 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 4: civilization had another. The Assyrians walked up and said, Ah, 37 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: you guys are wrong. Here's our thing. 38 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, is it Enki? Is it? Marduke? Who? What 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: is it? Who is it? Where is it? 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 4: What? Yeah? And this battern is not stopped in the 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: modern day. Honestly, we could argue that older civilization's tremendous 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 4: habit of constantly ret conning exactly what the Anunaki are 43 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 4: and how they interact with mortals created the modern opportunities 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 4: for rethinking the Anunaki today. Cough cough, Aliens cough cough. 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 4: So this was such a ride, the first one because 46 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: we explored the relatively sparse proven historical references to Anunaki earlier. 47 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: And then, as we recall, we ended by asking what 48 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: the heck were or are these things in the first place? 49 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 4: Are they angels? Are they demons? Shout out Dan Brown? 50 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 4: Are they gods? Are they monsters? Teachers, tormentors? Something? 51 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: All of you? All of you. 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: All we know for sure is that they're nine feet 53 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: tall or something like that. 54 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: Are they Are they Star Wars canon? 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 4: You know? 56 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: Unclear? Sorry, I just I can't get off that Aaki 57 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: just maybe I'm thinking Anakin, but it just sounds very 58 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: Star Wars coded. 59 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, And what we're going to see in chapter two 60 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: here of this series is the answer to all of 61 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: those questions, including the George Lucas mythology there Noel kind 62 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: of depends on where you stand, which civilization you place 63 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: the most trust in, and who you're listening to. So 64 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 4: here's where it gets crazy. Maybe we start with the 65 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: divinity stuff. We talked about Mesopotamia, a little bit geographical 66 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 4: region southwest Asia. Most of us in the West are 67 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: going to call this roughly the Middle East, which is 68 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: kind of a Do you guys ever think about that name? 69 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: The Middle East is kind of misleading, I think. 70 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I've never understood that, nor have I understood 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: Middle Earth. 72 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: So well, yeah, well, I guess, okay, so far east. 73 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: If you're going to say that phrase, you'd be talking 74 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: about everything from Japan and then moving westward towards where 75 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: we would say the Middle is I suppose of like 76 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: Europe would be. Then on the west, that's the West East. 77 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: I guess you know, we're still in this modern civilization. 78 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: We still suffer from Greenwich meantime, right, like yeah. 79 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: No, But but so theoretically from what we've talked about 80 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: the origin of the term the West, when Western countries 81 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: and the west that is more European like Western European 82 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: hunters and that stuff. Yeah, and oh gosh, I don't 83 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: even like thinking about this, but it is. It is. 84 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 4: World is round the Yeah. 85 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: I mean, the idea of Western culture is also so 86 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 3: heavily biased and kind of weighted in the favor of 87 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: it's like the better, the better part of the world. 88 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 4: Literally, nobody in ancient civilizations in Asia, in Eastern Asia. 89 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 4: There we go again, none of them ever said, oh 90 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: the far west. 91 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but it does make it does make 92 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: sense a little bit. Where we're talking about this area 93 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: between the two rivers Tigers and Euphrates, and this area. 94 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: If you imagine originating in this area, or you know 95 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: where the Onunaki myths come from. If you head if 96 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: you head west, that is the western area, and if 97 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: you head east, that is the eastern area. So I 98 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: don't know, maybe it is it does make sense if 99 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 2: this is where we centralize our location. 100 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, no one walked far enough, guys, Get out there. 101 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: Just exercise, you know, take a. 102 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: Stroll, just see where, see where the path leads you like, 103 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: came from Kung Fu. 104 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: The legend continues. The term we're using for Mesopotamia just 105 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: as a quick just as a quick example here, folks, 106 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: that is not a term that those civilizations created. It 107 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 4: came from the much later Greek civilization, even before they 108 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: got ripped off by the Romans. Mesopotamia is literally like 109 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 4: the Greek word or portmanteau for between rivers, as you 110 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: were saying, Matt, the Tigris and the Euphrates. So the Greek, 111 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 4: the great Greek minds, which we don't want to disrespect 112 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 4: too much. Just yet that'll be a different episode. It's 113 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: all the way. 114 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: We're gonna throw some serious shade at the great minds 115 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,119 Speaker 3: of ancient Greece. 116 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: Yes, do you think they had ferns on either side? 117 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: You know? 118 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: I understand? 119 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Paul Rudd was there from day one, 120 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: right original and Unaki that guy? 121 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: Where was Paul Bunyan? And how does he figure into 122 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: this mythology? 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 4: That's a great question. Came around a little bit later 124 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: due to occult research into the Lesser Key of Solomon 125 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 4: solid Babel, as it pronounced, were. 126 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: Throwing down some big Friday energy here. But why don't 127 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: we jump back into the y. 128 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: And we've returned, we'll do it one more time. Here's 129 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 4: where it gets crazy. The actions of these earlier civilizations 130 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 4: in Mesopotamia they informed a ton of later civilizations, pretty 131 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 4: much all of the Middle East, pretty much all of 132 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 4: the Indus Valley. Also therefore North Africa, Egypt, the Mediterranean. Eventually, 133 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: the gods and demons and myths and folklore of these 134 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: areas between the Tigris and the Euphrates informed every human 135 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 4: civilization that was not separated by vast abyssal oceans. 136 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good point. So as as other 137 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: civilizasations come through as battles or fought and wars are 138 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: won and that kind of thing, these gods end up 139 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: morphing a little bit, but the essence of them sticks 140 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: around for quite a while. 141 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: Yeah that's nice. Yeah, I like that because that means that, 142 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 4: depending on how you felt about a civilization that you 143 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 4: learn from, especially when literacy is a relatively small demographic 144 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 4: of a human population, you're still inheriting the seeds princely perhaps, 145 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 4: or the DNA of these stories. 146 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 147 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: The Anunaki may be good, they might be bad. Their 148 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 4: upper middle management of heaven or the nether world, their demons, 149 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: their angels, they might be a third thing somewhere between 150 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: demonic and divine, not quite human, not quite mundane, not 151 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 4: quite quintessence. It's like the pre Islamic myths that in 152 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 4: form ormed no offense, folks, the belief in jin. 153 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: Ah, the smokeless fire beings, coach. 154 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kidding him. Yeah, No, it's interesting. And didn't 155 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: didn't you ep a real cool podcast about jin Was 156 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: it called Hidden gen something like that? 157 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: Yes, it was. Check it out as grimm and mild slate. 158 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: Very good. 159 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: Please, do we. I think we all found that impressive 160 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 4: because in Islamic spiritual belief, uh, the jin are a 161 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: third thing wrought by God as a smokeless fire, right, 162 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: the green fire without smoke, which created a new thing 163 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: that was very much similar to man with certain superpowers. 164 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 4: If we're going to be marvel or dc about it, 165 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 4: back before the people of the book, back before Judaism, Christianity, 166 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: Islam at the time these myths and cosmologies are created 167 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 4: in Mesopotamia, conspiracy theories and scientific method as concepts, they're 168 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: not really a thing religion, science, politics, they are inseparable. 169 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: They're all the one thing based on the very small 170 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: amount of the population that is capable of literacy. 171 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: Yep. And as we know, all these anonachi end up 172 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: representing different things, the way a lot of civilizations that 173 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: go with the many gods structure end up having. Right 174 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: where there is a god of water, but there's also 175 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: another god that's really specific about irrigation, and I'm just 176 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: giving that as an example, but that goes across the 177 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: board here, and depending on what you're doing in your town, 178 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: what your town specialized is in your town may be 179 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: a very specific Anunaki god town that worships specifically that god. 180 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: And then you just go a little ways down right, 181 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: and you've got another town that is the I don't 182 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: know what. What would they be making there? 183 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: Oh, they would probably be making things out of metal, 184 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: so they very worship someone who creates stuff from metal 185 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 4: or versus a fisher. 186 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: God, some sort of budget god. 187 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it, definitely. 188 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: Well. 189 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: The other thing is, often, you know, it's so weird 190 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: with humans town by town. Sometimes we just don't get 191 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: along and we want things and we you know, we 192 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: we get real territorial and greedy about stuff. We often 193 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: do that for some reason. In the cases with these Ananaki, 194 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: you would have towns that would literally be engaged in 195 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: the unpleasantness with each other there and the you know, 196 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: you would basically have God versus God in a representational 197 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: format with actual fights and stuff. 198 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 4: I love this. You're so good at this. Yes, Because 199 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: you could go to one town that absolutely adored a 200 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 4: particular Annunaki, right statues for days in this one town, 201 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 4: and then you go across the valley or down the 202 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: Euphrates or the Tigris, and there's another town that beat 203 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 4: me here Dylan and hates that an Noaki in particular. 204 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: They don't just not respect it, they're angry about it existing. 205 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 4: You could, like, you could see people arguing about it, 206 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 4: but it would be a lot less like how you 207 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 4: tune into international news today and you see Pundit's doing there. 208 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: What was that one show that used to be on Crossfire? Yeah, 209 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: until John Stewart absolutely waxed everybody. 210 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure. Well let's keep in mind because 211 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: the myths surrounding a lot of these gods, they're doing creepy, 212 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 2: messed up things to each other, to humans. They're well 213 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: you can imagine if you're a big fan of one 214 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: of these gods, you're almost like taking the side in 215 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: a reality TV show that person that's the right person. 216 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: Now they were in the right, but they were equally 217 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: pretty wrong too, But you gotta choose sides. 218 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, but what is our guy? Say? The people? 219 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: Exactly? And speaking of the people, this reminds me of 220 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: the conflicts between Japanese god deities, the Yokai and this 221 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 3: idea of like Yokai wars. There's actually a Takeshimiki film 222 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: called The Great Yokai War, and apparently that comes from 223 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: a manga and also then from mythology, so you know, 224 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: back to the whole parallel thinking, a religious syncretism aspect 225 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: of all of this stuff. 226 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: I don't want anything about that that sounds really interesting. 227 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: Can you say the name of it one more time? 228 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: Just well, Ben might be able to speak too a 229 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: little more. But Yokai are these Japanese supernatural beings that 230 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: are somewhat god like. And then the film is called 231 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: The Great Yokai War, which is actually kind of a 232 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: children's movie by our really gnarly Japanese director named Takashimike, 233 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: who's much more known for his ultra violent films like 234 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: Ichi the Killer and Audition. Nice. 235 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: We have to take a short break here because Ben, 236 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: you just chugged something awesome looking. I don't know what 237 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: it was. I hope it's coffee. It looks like a 238 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: teeny tiny, little awesome coffee. Oh nice, Yeah, of course nice. 239 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: It is that is that Sentory coffee. 240 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 4: It is not Sentori coffee. It is coffee. 241 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: It is a uh. 242 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: It is brought to you by our favorite co hosts 243 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 4: on stuff they don't want you to know and ridiculous history, 244 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: energy drinks, coffee caffeinated. Oh, Matt's got a jar are 245 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: you drinking coffee now? 246 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: I got coffee in a Mason jar. Baby. 247 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: Oh my guy, we we shouted you out, Matt recently 248 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 4: on on an episode of Ridiculous History about the ridiculous 249 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: history of energy drinks. 250 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we referenced to your ridiculous energy drink fortitude. Give 251 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: me much respect. 252 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: With great affection. Oh man, I hope you listen to it. Look, 253 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 4: we're saying that there would be a common precedent that 254 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 4: continues today and started in ancient civilizations. So these folks 255 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 4: back then, right, who have chosen their patron saints are 256 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: their favorite divine sports team. They're not having realistic, nuanced debates. 257 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 4: It's a lot more like the leaders of one town 258 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 4: saying again, beat me here, Dylan, those other guys down 259 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 4: this part of the Tigris. We said X. They said why, 260 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: and we want that arable land. So our God just 261 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: by the way told us that land belongs to us. 262 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 4: Let's go. And that's sort of the story of human 263 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 4: history starting in the Middle East. 264 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Because you can now pit the beliefs 265 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: of your followers or your town, your city versus the 266 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: beliefs of the neighbors. Right, and by. 267 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: Sports team rivalries, no question about it. 268 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: Absolutely, or political ideologies or you know anything. Think about 269 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 2: the way we think about how money is exchanged and 270 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: how economics work. You can pit those ideologies against each 271 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: other and have a war that lasts for all, I 272 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: don't know, hundred years, Yeah. 273 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: The forever war. Yeah. 274 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 3: Yes. 275 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: Oh. Also think let's think of, with great respect and affection, 276 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 4: our heavy metal snobs in the audience, shout out to 277 00:17:54,240 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: the Atlanta legend Brent Hint, who unfortunately passed away. Uh yeah, yeah, 278 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: phenomenal guitarist for Mastodon, So we want to put that 279 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 4: in as Atlanta boys. The issue here is just like 280 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 4: you're saying, there's this idea that discourse is unattainable, right, 281 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: that these people must stand divided, and this is arguably 282 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: where we see the first bad patterns emerge. We had 283 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 4: a really interesting conversation in a recent I believe it 284 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 4: was a listener mail or Strange News program about how 285 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: learning good habits is just as important as not learning 286 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 4: bad habits. I'm specifically thinking of how you were talking 287 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 4: about your kids learning karate right. You've got to learn 288 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: good habits right, otherwise you can set a precedent. I 289 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 4: would argue here that we see human civilization learning bad 290 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 4: habits that lead to the origin of things like the 291 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 4: concept of being a heretic, or the concept of blasphemy 292 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: or all those other spiritual rationalizations for harming other people 293 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 4: in real life, often innocent people. 294 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely. So, tying back into this concept of being able 295 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: to control populations, one of the ways you do that 296 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: is to control the information they have access to and 297 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: the way they think about themselves specifically, which then you know, 298 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: alters the way you maybe think about others. And this 299 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: goes all the way, like to the deepest beliefs, including 300 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: gods and religion and that kind of thing. If you can, 301 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: if you can at least influence heavily or mandate what 302 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: people say and believe in public, then you can perhaps 303 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 2: get them to wield a weapon right for you. The 304 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: leader who was also the spiritual you know, political, spiritual 305 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: everything leader. 306 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that's dangerous. Ooh, it's got some evil umami 307 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 4: on it. 308 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, and we just it's so it's kind 309 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: of messed up because we pretend like it's something that 310 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: just happened then, you know, right, like ooh, just look 311 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: closely at some things for a long time in this country, 312 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: especially in the eighties. I would say, like late seventies, eighties, 313 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: that's when you really see it start to seep in 314 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: in this country where religion and politics and economics and 315 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 2: all this stuff really goes together to control what we're 316 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: supposed to say and do in public. 317 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 4: Oh you mean nineteen seventies, yes, yes, okay, okay. 318 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: My bad, my bad, but yes, agreed. 319 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: Also seventeen eighties also oh yeah, well, uh, we're to 320 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 4: pickle here as we're talking about human civilizations. We know 321 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 4: then as as you're saying that, it's what's that line 322 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: from talking heads, same as it ever was. 323 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: Yes, that's still one. 324 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, you're abolutely right because with that control, Ben, 325 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: I think where you're going here is that you can 326 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: put propaganda out into the world that then causes your 327 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: enemies to get upset. Right, you can you can make 328 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: up rumors about some of the other gods that your 329 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: town's not into. 330 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: M Yeah, And it's like, know, you're referencing that sports 331 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: analogy from earlier. Right. The first conspiracies about Anu Naki 332 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: follow this rough path of what they didn't call conspiracy theories. 333 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 4: They didn't even call them alternative explanations. Instead they said, 334 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 4: you know those absolute what what's a fun u when 335 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 4: aal archic and salt you know those uh jabbronis those 336 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: near dwells and so those old so and sos perfect 337 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 4: from down the Tigris. Uh. Well, it turns out that 338 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 4: they're they're worshiping a thing that's not really a god. 339 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 4: It's a demon before the word demon existed. 340 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 341 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 3: Well, you know, one person's god's another person's demon, depending 342 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: on what's the side of the aisle you stand on. 343 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 2: M Well, that's kind of the point, right exactly, because 344 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: you can, you can divide everybody, you can make you can. Again, 345 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: these rumors get told and then maybe somebody writes it 346 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: down and if you discover, well, I don't know, a 347 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: clay tablet that has one of these rumors mentioned on it, 348 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: and then imagining modern humans discovering that from like twelve 349 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: hundred BCE, and you're like, oh, well, obviously they thought 350 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: this god was this Like no, unfortunately that was just 351 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: a rumor. 352 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: Right. 353 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 4: We're like, we're maybe as a civilization, we are maybe 354 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 4: five thousand years away from some future anthropologist discovering stuff 355 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 4: about the New York Yankees and the New York Mets 356 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 4: and calling the man Unaki. That's what we need to remember, right, 357 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 4: and well I look forward to that personally. Yeah, in 358 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 4: our lifetime, we're gonna get there. I think the podcasting 359 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: is working out for all of us. So direct agents 360 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 4: of damnation, that's what you would call the other folks, 361 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 4: the great them, and anyone who adored or agreed with 362 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 4: them was kind of tupac shakor rules. If you ride 363 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 4: with them, you too. No one needed proof, and at 364 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 4: this point we should also while we're talking about proof, 365 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 4: we should acknowledge there was no what the modern world 366 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: would consider phenomenological proof that things like the Anunaki ever 367 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: actually existed. Instead people worshiping it would worship a carving, 368 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 4: a statue, an idol, a physical representation, and to them 369 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 4: at that time, there was no symbolism. It wasn't like 370 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 4: an ancestral shrine or something. It was us being in 371 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 4: the presence of that God. When we encounter that carving, 372 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 4: we get the tingly goose bumpy knee that we described earlier. 373 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: You shiver in the presence because when you see that 374 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 4: carven idol, that is the god, that is the Annaki. 375 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: In the same way the bread is the body right. 376 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 4: Just soon, Yes, yeah, it's it's similar to like, lest 377 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 4: we sound as though we are casting stones or aspersion 378 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 4: on these earlier human civilizations, we have to remember this 379 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 4: literalism continues in a very real way for millennia. The 380 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 4: Christian literalism occurs in early American colonies. There's not a 381 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 4: separation between literal truth and symbolism. I think we all 382 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 4: remember that infamous sermon Sinners in the hands of an 383 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: angry God, you know, Banker seventeen forty one. This kin 384 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 4: named Jonathan Edwards is spitting hot fire to his congregation 385 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 4: out there in what we call Connecticut today. And while 386 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 4: he's while he's delivering this sermon, which is very mean, 387 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 4: by the way, it's a very like you are in 388 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: trouble kind of sermon. While he's spitting this hell fire 389 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: and brimstone, a snake goes into the physical room, the 390 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 4: structure where the parishioners are gathered. And then our buddy, 391 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: old pastor Edwards sees the snake. While he's being all 392 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: you know, holy hands pentecostal, yelling at people. He sees 393 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 4: the snake mid speech, he runs over and he stamps 394 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 4: on the snake. And for the people in the crowd, 395 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 4: this is not symbolism. The snake isn't there by accident, 396 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 4: It is the genuine devil. Our buddy Edwards is therefore 397 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 4: the actual servant of God, and he is stamping out 398 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 4: an actual infernal threat. 399 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: That's how it works, out there doing God's work. 400 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 2: Shut out to Northampton, mass anybody listening to this in Massachusetts. 401 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: You got this, Yeah, you got this. 402 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: One's for you. 403 00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 404 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: Well, I just say and find them snakes, stamp them out. 405 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: Let's go some. 406 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: God fearing snake stamping folks out there in Hampton, mass 407 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: That's what I heard. 408 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 4: That's what we always say. And this is brought to 409 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 4: you by the Tourism Board of trans City. So this literalism, 410 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: we were a bit discursive there, but the literalism was 411 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 4: just as common in ancient Mesopotamia. What we're saying is 412 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 4: metaphor wasn't really a thing truth as you or the 413 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 4: authorities of your day portrayed it. It was absolute. There 414 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 4: was no middle ground. You couldn't really sit down and 415 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 4: have a chat. 416 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, either it was or it was not, And if 417 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: it was not, then we are all wrong, right, And 418 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: if we are all wrong. What the hell are we 419 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 2: doing here, guys? So we can't be wrong, or else 420 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: we can't progress in some weird way because again, the 421 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: ways of thinking, as you described earlier, been of having 422 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 2: a hypothesis, testing the hypothesis, figuring out what is actually real. 423 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 2: It's not around quite yet, and you have to think 424 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: about that's a mode of thinking. That's not like it's 425 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: an invention or a technology in a lot of ways, 426 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: it's just it's not there. 427 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's not really Uh, there's not really any 428 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 4: opportunity for the people from you know, one town by 429 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 4: the river and another town up or down the river 430 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: to sit and just chop it up, you know what 431 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: I mean. They're not they're not having a nice meal 432 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 4: and chatting about nuanced opinions of religion. 433 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 434 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 4: No one, almost no one without violence changed their minds 435 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: about metaphysical concepts. Very few people also asked for what 436 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 4: we would can or concrete proof. It's part of the 437 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 4: reason folks destroy statues in the modern day. I'm looking 438 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 4: at you, Afghanistan. So there's a vibe. And it didn't 439 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 4: help that so many subsequent religions kept cribbing notes off 440 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: each other, and despite the fact that these civilizations often 441 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: hated one another, they kept stealing from one another, right, 442 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 4: They cribbed the same stories and told them over and 443 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 4: over again Joseph Campbell's style, and just put their own 444 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: spit on it. Which takes us to one of our 445 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: favorite examples. I think the story of the flood. 446 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the story of flood. You've heard that as a 447 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: Sudra Oh wait, Noah? Noah, Yeah, that's the one. 448 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, exactly exactly. But I guess, you know, 449 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: we should start with our maybe earliest point of reference, Matt, 450 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: which would I think be Noah. Most folks in the 451 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: Western there, it is a gang world, are definitely familiar, 452 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: likely familiar with the you know, the broadstrokes of the story. 453 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: The version that we're talking about here, Noah the Flood 454 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: would be considered an Abrahamic interpretation of the flood myth. 455 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 3: In this story, Noah, who is a very sharp godly fellow, 456 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: follows the commandments of the Lord, and unfortunately is living 457 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 3: during a time where other people are not following his 458 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: as good example. And God is not pleased about the 459 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: state of pretty much everyone on the earth, but he 460 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: looks at Noah as being a good boy and bestows 461 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: upon him a grand responsibility. 462 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, he goes to Noah. Hu Chem goes to Noah 463 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 4: and says, look, I'm gonna do what studio execs in 464 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five are gonna call a hard reboot. And 465 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 4: Noah is like, what is twenty twenty five? And he's like, 466 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 4: it's a different calendar. Don't worry about it. I need 467 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: you to build a big ass boat. And Noah goes, 468 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 4: all right, you're God, so I kind of have to 469 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 4: go along with this. And God says, we could only 470 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: imagine tight. Here are some very specific instructions about a 471 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 4: very big boat. Yep. 472 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 3: And to your point, Ben, God does not necessarily supply 473 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: any assistance with the labor. There's no levitation going on 474 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 3: or anything like that. He does have to build it 475 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,239 Speaker 3: by hand with his family. God does our supply some 476 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: pretty specific instructions for the construction of this massive boat. 477 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if that includes blueprints or that it's 478 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: expected him to know how it's how to get it done. 479 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: But it is important that they bring aboard breeding pairs 480 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: of all of the animals, all of them Soli's. You know, 481 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: this is where you start seeing the stuff don't think 482 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: we can fit them on an arc. No matter the size. 483 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: The flood comes God's great retribution, his great reset on 484 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: the sin riddled world, and everyone dies except Noah and 485 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: all the animals who ride out the flood in the 486 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: boat make it to dry land, and the waters then received. 487 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: God sends a magical rainbow. Is a bit of an 488 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: atta boy, and it is up to Noah and all 489 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: of these, this livestock and his family to recede civilization 490 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: as we know it. 491 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 4: And before we continue, we do want to give a 492 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 4: shout out to an excellent, a phenomenal graphic novel series 493 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 4: called Dark Arc by the awesome writer Culin Bunn, which 494 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 4: is all about an alternate arc not approved by God, 495 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: by the unnameable. It's the Rival Arc. Yeah, Rival Arc. 496 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: It's cool story, no spoilers. I'll check it out. Yeah, 497 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 4: please do. I can. I can just toss them to 498 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 4: you next time we hang out. The idea as you 499 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: described it, Noel, is perfect. You're absolutely right. They ride 500 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 4: out the flood. It's part of the reason in the 501 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 4: West even today people say alive branch as an offering 502 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 4: of peace, because Noah sends sends out a bird and 503 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 4: a bird comes back and shows you there's dry land, 504 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 4: which is obviously the precedent for amazing masterpieces like water 505 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: World or Police Academy five. 506 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: Percent, which are both very there actually exists within the 507 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: same extended universe water World in Police Academy five very 508 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: few people know that. 509 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 4: Keep my tittering in. 510 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: It's a fun thing to consider. How would that cross 511 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: over work? Let us know. 512 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 4: There is a lot more to the flood story, but 513 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 4: these are the basics, right. This is the IKEA instruction 514 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 4: manual for this story. The big twist here is that 515 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 4: the story of Noah as we understand stand it today 516 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 4: is only one of many versions of this tale, and 517 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 4: it's not the first. Multiple other versions far pre date Noah, 518 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 4: with the first being found in he Guessed It Folks, 519 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 4: Samarian text. 520 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So, if you imagine the Noah version, God 521 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: is making the decision to flood the entire planet for 522 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: reason X, for reasons I'm gonna flood the whole planet, 523 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: kill everything, everything. But in that tale, the only way 524 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 2: Noah finds out about the flood is because God told him. 525 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: It's a little I mean, it's like, whoa, what are 526 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: you doing here? Man? Okay, you just want to you 527 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: want a great reset, a real great reset. That's what 528 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: you're doing. But if you go back to the story 529 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: of Zasudra, who is another person who just happens to 530 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: gain the favor of one of the gods, not God, 531 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 2: but one of the gods in this case anche E Nki. 532 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: If you look at the Akkadian versions, it's a lot 533 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: like Greek and Roman. So one version is going to 534 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: be Anky, the other version in Akadian is going to 535 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: be Ea Ea. And as you go through some of 536 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: these myths, you'll find that is very troublingly confusing at 537 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: first at least where you're like, wait, I thought that 538 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: was that god or there was this god. But in 539 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: this case, all the gods got together and decided as 540 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 2: a group, as a committee, that they were going to 541 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 2: flood the entire planet because humans not great. Let's try 542 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: this again, and Ankie one of the gods, my gosh, 543 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: I want to say, he's the god of wind and 544 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: maybe atmosphere or something like that. He is the one 545 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 2: that comes down to Zusudra and says, hey, turn that 546 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 2: house thing you've got into a boat. Then you got 547 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: to get animals breeding pairs of animals get them on 548 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: that because this place is getting flooded. 549 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like, He's like, hey man, you were 550 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 4: always cool to me earlier. Don't be at school tomorrow. 551 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 4: And this is that's evil in terms of the reference, 552 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 4: but it is accurate. Zeudra is the last king of 553 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 4: Sumer before the Great flood, per the Akkadian myth, and 554 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: Zisudra has all the beats just like you're describing there, 555 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 4: all the beats of the Noah story that comes way after, 556 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 4: by the way, and Zasudra. One of the differences is 557 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 4: Zisudra is polytheistic. Yes, so is Issudra has to asked 558 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 4: multiple gods to save him and his arc and those gods, 559 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 4: as far as history knows, are an Unaki. He brought 560 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 4: it back, we did it anak episode on. 561 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 2: And Anneal and then well obviously anky, these are the Annaki. 562 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 2: So it goes this flood story goes back real far 563 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 2: and it's kind of the same story when you look 564 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: at it, it is it is play by play, the 565 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: same dang thing. 566 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 4: I think a flood happened, for sure. I think multiple 567 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 4: floods occurred, because you know, there's another myth like this 568 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 4: in discivilization, another myth in ancient Chinese civilization, another myth 569 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 4: in in South American meso American civilization. Meso American especially 570 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 4: of interest as there is no there is no clear 571 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 4: way provable way that these civilizations could have communicated with 572 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 4: one another. 573 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and remember when we're talking about very specific 574 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 2: places where all of this information comes from. A great 575 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 2: flood could just be a regional flood, but a large 576 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: regional flood, right, So there could be large regional floods, 577 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 2: and then this is kind of the story that floats around. 578 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: We don't know. There could be one where the ice 579 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: caps melted for a while. We just we don't know exactly. 580 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: But the scientists are going through aren't finding proof of 581 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 2: that real thing. But that is why we get this. 582 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: What is what are the terms antidiluvian? 583 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 4: Yes, before the flood. 584 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: Okay, and and then deluvian? No is it that? 585 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? No, it nailed it, anti deluvian. We also need 586 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 4: to flood this feed with an ad break and we 587 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 4: have returned. Really appreciate your mention of religious syncretism. No, 588 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 4: it's a it's a concept we see over and over again. 589 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 4: We can argue effectively that the move toward Monotheism by 590 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 4: what we call the People of the Book is kind 591 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 4: of an exercise and consolidation so many stories of a 592 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 4: singular god from Judaism, Christianity, Islam. These stories have their 593 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 4: narrative roots in previously uncollected, distinct tales that were previously 594 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 4: assigned to individual annaki. And it's crazy that we have 595 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 4: to think about it that way. Because that's why, I 596 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 4: would argue, that's why the Western world in particular is 597 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 4: chock full of bizarre recent claims linking the Anunaki to 598 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 4: any number of supernatural analogs of our modern evenings. Just 599 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 4: picture this. Here's a bit, guys. What if we did 600 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 4: a show on the History Channel that was about aliens 601 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 4: but like ancient. 602 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I would watch that and twist. I did 603 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 2: watch that. I watched the crap out of that because 604 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 2: it's it's so compelling. Because humanity still doesn't know exactly 605 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 2: how Homo sapiens arrived. We know there's little bits and pieces. 606 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 2: If you're going with evolutionary models, we know that there's 607 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 2: some big jumps, especially if you're looking back at DNA 608 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 2: right and DNA that we can actually test, and then 609 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: ancient aliens comes along. With some concepts that may provide answers, 610 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 2: but proving those to be true is a whole other thing. 611 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 2: They're fun ideas, but oh, I mean they're compelling ideas. 612 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: Is they're ideas that will glue you to a television, 613 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 2: at least in my case. But then you start looking 614 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 2: a little bit deeper into each one individually and you find, 615 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 2: oh man, there are cracks in this clay tablet. 616 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 4: Oh those well done. Oh man, they're starting to spread. Yeah, 617 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 4: ancient aliens the newest twist, the hot new bop it 618 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 4: in the game of figuring out civilization and history. It's 619 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,959 Speaker 4: the idea that all of human civilization was created influenced, 620 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 4: dare we say, bootstrapped by the intervention of some sort 621 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 4: of pre existing more spiritually or technologically accomplished society. Right, usually, 622 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 4: seeing as non homo sapiens and genres of this belief 623 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 4: are what we would call old beings. In the recent past, 624 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 4: these beliefs were way more overtly racist, Like European explorers 625 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 4: would stumble upon some ancient non European marvel like those 626 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 4: old towers out in western China, or the Pyramids or 627 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 4: the Sphinx, and and they would say Oh, folks even 628 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 4: whiter than us must have been here first for how 629 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 4: cool these known fight people have created such a thing. 630 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you went like five different directions with that accent. 631 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 4: I love it, thank you, I appreciate that. 632 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: Well, while that is that is absolutely true, right, it's 633 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 2: a lot of it is rooted in that stuff, and 634 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 2: especially back then, there there are things that are objectively 635 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 2: puzzling when it comes to the historical record of things 636 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 2: like tools and stuff that was have been recovered from areas. Right, 637 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 2: So it's it is both what we're talking about here, 638 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 2: this perhaps racist underpinning of some of these original concepts, 639 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 2: but then also the puzzling nature of what's been what's 640 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 2: been found and proven to be there. So then you 641 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 2: you end up kind of weighing the things. But it 642 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 2: does go back to that, and it's an unfortunate thing 643 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 2: when you're watching that show and you're a big fan 644 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 2: of it, and then you start to see like, ah, gosh, 645 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 2: I remember when we first had that revelation when we 646 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 2: were making videos back in the day, like realizing just 647 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 2: how rampant some of those beliefs were. 648 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're raising a great point about what we 649 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 4: would call anachronistic artifacts like the antikathera mechanism back that battery, 650 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 4: Damascus steel technology that was created and lost. 651 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:40,919 Speaker 2: Yes, and specific structures usually like carvings and the interiors 652 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 2: of structures that are underground that are discovered with just perfect, 653 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 2: perfectly cut stones, and just trying to imagine how one 654 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 2: would do that with the tools available that we have. Again, 655 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 2: the tools we've recovered around that area, that would lead 656 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 2: anthropologistic believe that's what they used to cut that stone, 657 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 2: but again we don't know what we can't see or 658 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,959 Speaker 2: can't didn't recover. Does that make sense. 659 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 4: One hundred percent? It's like, uh, Noel, Matt and Ben 660 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 4: are working for Lord von Herringbone, Dylan Fagan, right, and 661 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,439 Speaker 4: we have to go over to go Beckley Tepe and 662 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 4: uh and Lord von Herringbone, no offense. Dylan is just yelling, 663 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 4: how Dylan, could you yell? How real quick in like 664 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 4: the fanciest accent. 665 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 2: How. 666 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 3: Dear well done, Dylan. 667 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 4: We're asking these questions. If we're Lord von Herringbone, we're saying, Okay, 668 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 4: from our civilization's perspective, this must have been built by 669 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 4: an older race of humans we're not present now, or 670 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 4: maybe lizard people or maybe gods or maybe folks harnessing 671 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 4: the power of rill or whatever. Va r I L. 672 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 4: Look it up. Have a great afternoon on that one. 673 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 2: If you're looking to get in some Nazi territory. 674 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 4: Right right, And in these stories, in von Herringbone and 675 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 4: other stories, these jokers, right, these culprits, these kaiser soursays 676 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 4: of human civilization are responsible for literally all the beginning stuff, agriculture, 677 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,760 Speaker 4: the taming of fire, the wheel writing, all the things 678 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 4: that stood the test of time. The argument goes, were 679 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 4: made by someone else, and all present civilization is simply 680 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 4: sort of the remedial kids in the class. 681 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because a lot of that stuff came out 682 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 2: of Mesopotamia, came out of this area where the Innunaki, 683 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, for a time reigned amongst the minds of 684 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 2: the human beings. And it's pretty pretty cool we got 685 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 2: that stuff from that area. Thanks y'all for putting in 686 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: the hard work of you know, doing things like harnessing 687 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 2: fire and inventing writing cuneiform or earlier cuneiform and all 688 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 2: that stuff. 689 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 3: Well done. 690 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, real, and folks, while we are, while we are bullied, 691 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 4: our long suffering super producer von Herringbone Onto the Air, 692 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 4: Maravon Herringbone, could you give us your understanding of the 693 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 4: NOSCA lines, just for an example. 694 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,280 Speaker 2: I'm quite sure extra terrestrials created these lines. 695 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 696 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 2: Indeed, the baron, we have to agree with him. He's 697 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 2: our employer. 698 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna fire us. So if we gotta, we 699 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 4: gotta stay the course. And folks, hold your wings, hold 700 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 4: your ox horned hats. We have so much more to 701 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 4: get to about the Anunaki. 702 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: We have been. 703 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 4: Teasing the striterrestrial or extra dimensional connection for a while now, 704 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 4: and we can't wait for you to join us in 705 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 4: the third part of this series, the Anunaki. We're calling 706 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,240 Speaker 4: it a future in the sky. 707 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 3: That's right in the meantime. Find us on the Internet 708 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 3: at the handle Conspiracy Stuff where we exist, on Facebook 709 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 3: with our Facebook group Here's where it gets crazy, on xfka, Twitter, 710 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 3: and on YouTube where you can watch all the videos 711 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 3: that's your heart desires. On Instagram and TikTok or Conspiracy 712 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 3: Stuff Show. 713 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three 714 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 2: three std WYTK. Easy to remember. Turn those letters into numbers, 715 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 2: then call it when you call in. It's a voicemail 716 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,800 Speaker 2: system you got three minutes, give yourself a cool nickname 717 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 2: and let us know within the message if we can 718 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 2: use your name and message on the air. If you'd 719 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 2: like to send us an email, we are the. 720 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 4: Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be 721 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 4: well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void writes back. Please 722 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 4: give us a lead on an episode. Do you think 723 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 4: your fellow conspiracy realist will enjoy? Please ask us for 724 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 4: a random fact, Because, oh, friends and neighbors, we have 725 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 4: so many for you. All you have to do is 726 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 4: walk a little further and join us out here in 727 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 4: the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 728 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't want you to Know is a production 729 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 730 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.