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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcotz Show on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. I'm doing another one of those advice segments

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Speaker 1: that you all seem to enjoy, and I'm joined here

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Speaker 1: by my friend Buck Sexton, co host of the Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Buck, So nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, great to see you.

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Speaker 3: I didn't mean for this to happen, but I just

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Speaker 3: realized now, like a Brazilian soccer player, I'm just one

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Speaker 3: name on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So that's great.

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Speaker 4: It's just but I am the Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Knows who Buck is. I mean, I don't even think

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Speaker 1: you need a last name in this case.

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Speaker 3: Did people like my last advice or did I get

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Speaker 3: more and more people angry at me or disagree with me?

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Speaker 2: Mostly?

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Speaker 1: I think the friend one everybody enjoyed. I think that

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Speaker 1: that got overwhelming, you know support. It was a mixed

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Speaker 1: bag with the one where I think the woman on.

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Speaker 3: That one myself, so I can't get mad at any Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you want to make friends, talk to people. That's

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent good advice, real and will work. Just mean,

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Speaker 3: just talk to more people all the time. Just talking

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Speaker 3: to some people felt.

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Speaker 1: That they weren't brave enough to do that. But I

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Speaker 1: feel like, you see, this is some good tips.

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Speaker 3: This is like public speaking, which is you have to

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Speaker 3: just do it, meaning like the only way to do

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Speaker 3: it is to push through and do it. And telling

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Speaker 3: yourself I don't like doing that is actually not an

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Speaker 3: acceptable response to the goal that you want anyway.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, no, no, this is great.

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Speaker 1: The question that we're going to get into today also

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Speaker 1: touches on the issue of friendship, so this leads perfectly

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Speaker 1: into it. So here we go. And Buck does not

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Speaker 1: like to know the questions in advance. This is the

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Speaker 1: first time he's hearing these questions, right, all right, Hi, Carol.

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Speaker 1: I'm in my sixties and have lived in a blue

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Speaker 1: city my entire life. I never minded until the last

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Speaker 1: few years. I followed your COVID journey to Florida and

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Speaker 1: felt for you very much, but I didn't have kids

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Speaker 1: in school, so I didn't feel like I had to

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Speaker 1: make a change. I waited out the arrows in the

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Speaker 1: grocery store and went on with my life. The murder

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Speaker 1: and acquaintances, I am now thinking I need to I

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Speaker 1: need to move and find people with values in common.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's too late? You've talked about the

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Speaker 1: difficulty of making friends in your forties. Can I do

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Speaker 1: it in my sixties? I think this is a tough one.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, buck Oh?

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Speaker 3: I think that the ability to embrace change and adapt

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Speaker 3: at any and all ages is something that.

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Speaker 2: We should all strive for.

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Speaker 3: That you should you want to be as adaptable as

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Speaker 3: the only thing that's consistent in life is change.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so if you think that there's a new phase

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Speaker 3: that you want to enter, or and you want to

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Speaker 3: try a new in this case obviously surroundings and environment

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Speaker 2: Life, I think I think I absolutely go for it.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's in a lot of ways now

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Speaker 3: these things. Because this brings me a little bit to

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Speaker 3: my like why did I live in York so long?

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Speaker 3: It used to be that your geography defined a lot more, uh,

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Speaker 3: quite honestly, like not just your job opportunities and your

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Speaker 3: social opportunities.

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Speaker 2: But also just day to day stuff.

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Speaker 3: And I think that we've now all take now I'll

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Speaker 3: take this for granted, but essentially anywhere in America that's

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Speaker 3: you know you're in La Atlanta. I'm just saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: You could.

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Speaker 3: You have more entertainment options if you have if you

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Speaker 3: have Wi Fi, I mean, if you have internet access,

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Speaker 3: you have more entertainment, more shopping, more information, more, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, coordination with with people around you than before.

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Speaker 2: Carol.

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Speaker 3: I had a cheeseburger delivered to my house.

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Speaker 4: By a robot a few days ago.

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Speaker 3: Wow, kid, you not a little robot that's brought me

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Speaker 3: my shake shack. And and this, by the way, it's

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Speaker 3: I had to get used to look outside. You type

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Speaker 3: in a little code, Do you tip the robot? It opens, No,

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Speaker 3: you get your tip back. So I'm oh, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: tell you. I'm not gonna be shy about this because

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Speaker 3: I think this is another this is something that someone

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Speaker 3: didn't ask, but I just I believe in being a

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Speaker 3: basically like a max out tipper, meaning if twenty percent

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Speaker 3: like a you know, a good a good faith job,

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Speaker 3: not even a good job, just a good faith job.

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Speaker 2: Like if I can tell they're trying, it's twenty.

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Speaker 3: If they do anything that makes me feel like they

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Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, above and beyond night thirty.

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Speaker 3: So I believe in in if anything overtipping, and I

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Speaker 1: But not the robot, No tips for the robot, No.

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Speaker 3: Tips for the robot, but the robot reality with that

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Speaker 3: as soon it's going to be drone delivery for people.

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Speaker 2: And what does this have to do with moving?

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Speaker 3: You're more connected now, connected and all senses than ever before. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so you're not going to be alone. It's not like

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Speaker 3: you move to a community. I mean you're gonna be

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Speaker 3: able to watch all your favorite shows, order you know,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to buy off of the internet.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could have a shrman.

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Speaker 1: What about the friend part? What about the making friends easier?

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Speaker 3: To find groups, entities, individuals, you name it in your

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Speaker 3: my my problem now is that there's so many and

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Speaker 2: Right, you're in Miami problem. And I moved, you know

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Speaker 3: You know, and I moved from New York, where I

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Speaker 2: And I think Carry feels the same way.

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Speaker 3: And it's not because I'm so popular, it's just because

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Speaker 3: it's just so popular.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, you're so popular, like the

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Speaker 1: football team.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But you're like dating the head cheerleader. You guys are

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Speaker 1: You're a very good man.

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Speaker 3: Carry does look like the cheerleader. I got to say,

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Speaker 3: I'm a lucky man. She's doing great work. She's doing

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Speaker 3: great work. Some people are saying care doing people. The

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Speaker 3: people are saying in the gym cariber getting it done.

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Speaker 3: I would just say, yes, take take the lead. I

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Speaker 3: would say yes to this. This person wrote and sixties.

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Speaker 3: I have a whole other rant on this too.

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Speaker 2: Sixties here, Yes, now you have if you if.

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Speaker 3: You are reasonable with your reasonable with your diet, meaning

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Speaker 3: like you're not just completely eating the worst imaginable stuff

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Speaker 3: and have a million and you move, you walk, forget

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Speaker 3: about all this other stuff.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to.

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Speaker 3: If you're walking off and you eat well and you

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Speaker 3: get enough sleep, you're going to be healthy.

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Speaker 2: You're going to like feel in love for good.

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Speaker 3: You've got twenty five to thirty years of really being

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Speaker 3: able to, like, you know, enjoy. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 3: Sixty isn't what it used to be, meaning that I

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Speaker 3: think this person, you have a whole other phase of.

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Speaker 2: Enjoying your life like we think of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you think about what people used to look

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Speaker 1: Even in this time, we look like teenagers now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look like teenagers now.

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Speaker 3: So I mean I'm forty three, for having sakes, and

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Speaker 3: like I think I still get id'd sometimes.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: I see this through the Florida bubble, and so I

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Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. Sixty is so young. These sixty

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Speaker 1: et cetera. We don't know if this person who wrote

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Speaker 3: You know, if it's not if it's not unthinkably onerous

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Speaker 1: I think I think we're gonna have to agree on

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Speaker 1: this one. You know, I liked when we disagreed, but

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think that there's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 1: looking for people who share your values and to surround

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Speaker 1: age really, because you do have a lot of living

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Speaker 3: That's a destructive energy that goes beyond Yeah. The like

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't agree with like my neighbors on

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Speaker 3: that's one feeling of I'm is related here. There's a

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Speaker 3: derangement and a and a darkness in people that has emerged.

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Speaker 2: I've seen.

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Speaker 3: I have friends of mine have said they have had

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Speaker 3: forgetting what family members of theirs have publicly.

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Speaker 2: Generally it's Facebook posting, right, But that Facebook.

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Speaker 1: They people think that what doesn't count that you're you're

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Speaker 1: making a statement on Facebook. I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: We'll treat Facebook like it a diary.

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Speaker 1: It's not a diary, or they're public you know, a statement.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna put whatever bile is growing in my

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Speaker 3: brain right now, I'm just going to spew it out

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Speaker 3: on this Facebook page. Like, No, that is the opposite

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Speaker 3: of what you should be doing on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, absolutely he is, Buck Sexton. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me. Buck, send in your questions. We

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Speaker 1: will answer them in future segments. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on the Carol Markowitz Show. Please stay tuned for

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Speaker 1: an interview with Peter J. Hassen. Hi, and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today

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Speaker 1: is Peter J. Hassen. Peter is a politics editor at

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Speaker 1: The Washington Free Weekend and the author of the book

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Speaker 1: The Manipulators Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Big Text War on Conservatives. Hi, Peter,

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Speaker 1: so nice to have you on.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of yours for just many,

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Speaker 1: many years, and I'm really looking forward to getting to

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Speaker 1: the system, I don't know how we pull our individual

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Speaker 1: kids out. I think it's going to be very hard.

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Speaker 1: One time, my kids are fifteen, twelve, and nine, and

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Speaker 1: I floated to my fifteen year old maybe like two

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Speaker 1: years ago, you know, maybe instead of going to college, also,

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Speaker 1: we'll you know, give you the money we would have spent.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, I'm going to college. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's tough.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I mean that's kind of the exact

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Speaker 5: as you describe it.

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Speaker 4: Especially, I think we look at kind of the rates

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Speaker 4: for people who could go toll.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure some of that is coelection biased, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: you want your kids to have.

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Speaker 1: So more college graduates get married or don't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, right, it's a lot easier to Yeah, as

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Speaker 5: a college graduate, especially for men. It's it's kind of

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Speaker 5: a funny. You can make a lot more money as

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Speaker 5: the HVAC guy. But yeah, but yeah, it doesn't have

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Speaker 5: the status of them.

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Speaker 1: I wonder I wonder about that, like, because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: you know, in those studies, they don't you know, they

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Speaker 1: don't ask just the people who don't have a college

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Speaker 1: degree but are making a lot of money. Like, I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody's like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg, I wouldn't consider

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Speaker 1: him because he dropped out of college. Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you own Facebook, they'll give you a shot. Similarly,

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Speaker 1: I think that the HVAC guy probably does get more girls,

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Speaker 1: but in the poll the polling data just groups him

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Speaker 1: with people who, like, you know, work at the corner

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Speaker 1: store or that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. We're like the whole subway.

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Speaker 1: Right right, They're all in the same category of didn't

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Speaker 1: graduate college. So yeah, well, if you could fix that

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Speaker 1: problem for all of our kids, you let me know,

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Speaker 1: because I will. I'm in for your for your alternate,

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Speaker 1: alternate system.

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Speaker 4: What colleges?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at so she's super driven straight A's like

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Speaker 1: that's why she was like, I'm not going to go

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Speaker 1: to college. Maybe one of these bozo brothers of mine

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Speaker 1: won't go to college, but I'm going. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: something in the South. Maybe I'm not really sure. She's

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Speaker 1: in tenth grade, she started definitely starting to think about it.

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Speaker 1: We have a short list of colleges she can't go to.

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Speaker 1: And that was the case even before October seventh, but

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Speaker 1: you know, since October seventh, we just we're Jewish, we

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Speaker 1: can't we can't be having her go to Columbia, but again,

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Speaker 1: Columbia was off the list even before that, so and

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Speaker 1: you know, somewhere with good free speech values would be good.

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Speaker 1: Those sort of hard to find.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's been interesting to me how it seems

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Speaker 5: like the uh uh sec schools are really kind of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very popular.

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Speaker 5: Now. Yeah, you're seeing a lot of smart kids that

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Speaker 5: could go elsewhere. I'm sure football is a big part

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Speaker 5: of that. But also I think just kind of the

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Speaker 5: culture of yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: Normal saying people who you know aren't telling you that

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Speaker 1: you're using the wrong code language that they just made

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Speaker 1: up five seconds ago. And you know, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think there's like a big two spirit community, right.

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Speaker 1: But of course all those schools are getting harder to

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Speaker 1: get into. We live in Florida, and University of Florida

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Speaker 1: has become just they called it the UF massacre last

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Speaker 1: year where kids got into Stanford but not into UF.

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Speaker 1: And it's yeah, it's getting really hard. So I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's tough. You're lucky you have some time for

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Speaker 1: your you know, to brainwash your kids in the direction

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Speaker 1: that you want them to know. I'm running out of time,

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Speaker 1: so I have to like speed up that brainwashing. We're

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Speaker 1: going to take a quick break and be right back

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Speaker 1: on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Well, looking back on your life,

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Speaker 1: what advice would you give your sixteen year old self?

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Speaker 1: What does sixteen year old Peter need to know?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's funny.

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Speaker 5: I was kind of thinking about this question, and I

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Speaker 5: was thinking, what would I go back and change?

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Speaker 4: But that I think I'm like, well, you know, we've uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, I met my wife.

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Speaker 5: If I had studied harder ago, I mean, Dallas is

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Speaker 5: at the fantastic school. But you know, because you think

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Speaker 5: about alternative paths you could have taken.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I wouldn't end up here.

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Speaker 5: And but so I think, you know, i'd probably give

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Speaker 5: two pieces of advice to my sixteen year old self,

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Speaker 5: which is just read more, which to do anyway, but.

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Speaker 4: Read more.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I'll say three pieces of advice. I'm read more

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Speaker 5: stale of Instagram. Instagram. I think it most. I mean

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Speaker 5: I use it, I still use it, but I think

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Speaker 5: it's Do.

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Speaker 1: You think it's the worst one.

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Speaker 4: Really, especially for teenagers? I think it's the most.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Just I think it. Yeah, it's kind of like an

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Speaker 5: envy app, you know, Yeah, you always see like the

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Speaker 5: best day of you know, there's someone on your feet

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Speaker 5: who is having like the best day of the year.

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Speaker 5: If you follow sixty five people you know, and so,

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Speaker 5: but I mean, you know, at least it's not.

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Speaker 4: Four chan or whatever. Then also yeah, then maybe by

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Speaker 4: bitcoin I wish I mean by bitcoin. Yeah, you have

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 5: A giant nerd to be thinking about bitcoin and twenty eleven.

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Speaker 5: But right, I could tell myself one thing I was said, definitely.

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Speaker 2: By a bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Actually, you know, it's funny. I

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Speaker 1: think Instagram for me, it's the it's for again as

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Speaker 1: a grown up, not as a sixteen year old. It's

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Speaker 1: my favorite because it's just happy, Like X is just

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Speaker 1: this place of misery and just everything is just doom

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Speaker 1: and horrible and there's never like a ray of sunshine.

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Speaker 1: And Instagram is like, you know, the the Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: woman in her private jet showing off her ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars bag. I don't feel jealous of her. I'm just like, good,

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Speaker 1: you know, at least she's having a good time. And

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Speaker 1: the people that X are like, you know, just yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're absolutely misery and trying to start bites with each other.

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Speaker 1: Whereas like Instagram is like this happy. It's fake, but

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Speaker 1: it's happy. You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I like that

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Speaker 5: that that's really wholesome take on it.

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Speaker 4: I like that it's optimistic.

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Speaker 1: I just X is my addiction, so it's it's the

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Speaker 1: one that I can stay away from. It's the one

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Speaker 1: like when we go on vacation. It's the app I

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Speaker 1: removed from my phone so that I can have a

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Speaker 1: good time. Like, yeah, it is the pit of sorrow.

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Speaker 1: So in Instagram comparatively, I feel like, is you know

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Speaker 1: the place of joy? Well, I've loved this conversation, Peter.

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Speaker 1: I think you are so awesome and I just I

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Speaker 1: love your work and just find you to be such

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Speaker 1: a great person to follow. Leave us here with your

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Speaker 1: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve

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Speaker 1: their lives.

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Speaker 5: I think the best way anybody can just make it

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Speaker 5: one quick change to prove their life is just to

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Speaker 5: carve out time to read. Kind of one thing I've

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Speaker 5: had to force myself to do is because you can

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Speaker 5: kind of.

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Speaker 4: Just scroll all day and not know you are for sure,

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Speaker 4: and then the whole day is gone.

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Speaker 5: You haven't really you know, you used your brain much

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Speaker 5: but I think you kind of, you know, almost like

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Speaker 5: a homeschool mom to yourself, just carve out some time

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Speaker 5: that you have to sit down and read.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it makes huge differences. And even just

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Speaker 4: even even if you're not.

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Speaker 5: Reading anything substantive, you're still gaining something just by forcing

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Speaker 5: yourself to have a longer attention span for a half hour.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and not just using your finger to write all

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Speaker 1: of Yeah. I love that he is.

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Speaker 4: Peter J.

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Speaker 1: Hassen. Get his book The Manipulators Facebook, Google, Twitter, and

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Speaker 1: Big Text War on Conservatives and check out his work

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Speaker 1: at Washington Free Begon and follow him on x. He's

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Speaker 1: really a fantastic guy.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Peter, Thank you so much, Carol,