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Speaker 2: Big time.

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Speaker 1: Fight this weekend UFC three twenty two. He's fighting against

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Speaker 1: the what's that guy's name?

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Speaker 2: Again. I'd keep it mixing him and.

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez up Kadelfo Vieira, I keep mixing up Adolfo Vieira

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Speaker 1: and Gregor Rodriguez. He's fighting Adolfo Vieira, first fight back

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Speaker 1: from the first loss of your career. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: all of that, well, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Get in all of it because I believe it's all

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Speaker 2: part of the journey, right totally.

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Speaker 1: But when we go back to that, right, when we

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Speaker 1: go back to that fight, my explanation is, I think

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Speaker 1: that the riddle was just underestimated and undervalued it might

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Speaker 1: have been a bigger jump than you needed at the time.

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Speaker 1: When you look at it in hindsight, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like maybe that's what it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I mean I think that he beat Robert Whittaker.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's obviously a world class guy. I think coming

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Speaker 4: from different organization, You're like, I don't know how good

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Speaker 4: film where it looks sloppy, it didn't look great, But

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Speaker 3: That's his style. He makes me fight that way.

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Speaker 4: He did it with me, He did it with Robert Whitaker,

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Speaker 4: and uh, yeah, I think I overlooked him a little

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Speaker 1: When when I remember the first time I lost to Jones,

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Speaker 1: I got taken down.

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Speaker 3: Was that your first loss?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wow, I had gotten taken down, And uh, I was

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Speaker 1: during the first period. When you went to that corner

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Speaker 1: more you had dealt with more adversity in that round.

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Speaker 2: Dude, you have a dealt with in your career up

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, you know, honestly, I'll just be honest that

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Speaker 4: So he landed like telling you, dude, eight or nine

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Speaker 4: So that was what caught me off guard more than anything,

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Speaker 3: Many of them. It wasn't just like one, it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the fight happens, What does the process

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Speaker 1: But in this career it's something different. What was your

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Speaker 4: You know, the first initial feeling, I was just pissed.

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Speaker 4: what makes me mad, is I feel like going into

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Speaker 4: the fight, I didn't really like give myself a good

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Speaker 4: Even if you look at his fight with Whittaker, Whitticker,

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Speaker 4: So that was very frustrating for me, and it pissed

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Speaker 4: always responded to any loss I've had since I've been young,

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Speaker 1: What did you do different? Did you change something in

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Speaker 4: I would say I changed my preparation a little bit,

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Speaker 4: but it was more with my mindset than anything else.

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Speaker 4: Of Like you could probably speak to this, but in wrestling,

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Speaker 4: the goal of a wrestling match is to control your

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Speaker 4: I need to take him down, hold him down, but

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Speaker 3: Doing damage yep. And that fight taught me like wins

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Speaker 1: But if he lands eight knees to the body, that

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Speaker 4: And so that was my mindset shift from all right,

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Speaker 4: for this last camp, is like how can I just

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Speaker 4: my mindset has been huge, Like my sparring rounds are different,

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Speaker 4: I have a different perspective on fighting than what I

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Speaker 1: So you start to get the call that it's going

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Speaker 1: to be uh your opponent this weekend, and what is

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Speaker 1: your initial thought? Because he's a very very good grappler,

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Speaker 1: right jiu jitsu fighter. Last time you thought a guy

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Speaker 1: are you thinking when they say it's adultful Vier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean well I had asked for him like

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Speaker 4: And so immediately right away after the fight, I basically

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Speaker 4: there like asap, like let's go again, like I want

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Speaker 4: going into fighting, I feel really good about it. And

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Speaker 4: uh yeah, it's a great opportunity for me to bounce back.

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Speaker 4: So you know, he's a guy that is, you know,

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Speaker 4: multiple time world champion in jiu jitsu, very high level.

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Speaker 4: But the last couple of guys I fought have had

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, you know, these guys are long time veterans.

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Speaker 4: Both of the last two guys I thought were both

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Speaker 3: You know, he only has fifteen maybe.

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Speaker 4: excited about it, and I feel like it's a good catchup.

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Speaker 4: You know, I respect his skills and what he can

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Speaker 4: do out there, but I'm looking to go do my thing.

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Speaker 1: Does it always Uh, You're always gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: experience disadvantage because everything's happened so fast.

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Speaker 2: Right, But in this fight this weekend with.

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Speaker 1: Vi Era, do you feel like a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the pressures off because of the I'm not undefeated anymore. Look,

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Speaker 1: we look around the landscape of fighting. The Americans are struggling.

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Speaker 1: Call it for what it is, right, we have no

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Speaker 1: male champions, We have no males in the top ten

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Speaker 2: All this stuff.

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Speaker 1: We all start going bow nickel, bow nickel, bow nickel,

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Speaker 2: Supposed to be. Does it feel good to not have

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Speaker 1: You know, if you carry a chip on your shoulder

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Speaker 2: But when you Chail.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: The UFC was UFC two eighty five pay per view,

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Speaker 2: So it's like big fights, big fight, big car.

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Speaker 4: Fight has been what it was, and to be fair, like,

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Speaker 4: I didn't earn my stripes in an MMA in MMA,

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Speaker 3: So I'm pumped about that.

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Speaker 1: Do you still we always ask who's the next great

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Speaker 2: Right? Ultimately trying to put yourself in that position, I

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't believe I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just he just lost his last fight, but I

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, he had a loss to the Law,

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Speaker 2: What do you make a Gable steveson. I was pumped

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Speaker 4: It is crazy, you know, he really like is just

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Speaker 3: Like, go get a fight. You know, it's amate fighter.

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Speaker 3: Of you guys, very very quick. Yeah, especially at heavyweight.

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Speaker 1: We you get a lot of support still regardless, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, you know, I think that you mentioned

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Speaker 4: I really value that. And you know, if you're with me,

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Speaker 2: The whole time, the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Don't come back, don't come back, don't come back, Like

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Speaker 4: Right, Like, if you if you're a wrestling fan, you're

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Speaker 3: I know that, yes, for sure. But if you're you know,

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Speaker 2: Because that's better.

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Speaker 3: It's better.

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Speaker 2: It motivates you.

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Speaker 3: I like it, Yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 1: I used to try to fight for their cheers, but

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Speaker 2: I'm still collecting my checks. It made it so much better.

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Speaker 4: That's how I feel. I'm like, man, you're either way.

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Speaker 4: You you love me, hate me, you're gonna watch.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna watch. Bo Nickel fights a sweek in

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Speaker 1: at UFC three twenty two. He is going to be

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Speaker 1: Bow Nichol is one of the best wrestlers to come

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Speaker 1: to MMA, obviously, still a very young prospect and good

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Speaker 1: prospect in all the Fighting Bowl. Thanks for checking in, man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Until next time, guys, Peace,