00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. 00:00:17 Speaker 2: But you're a guess to my home. 00:00:21 Speaker 1: You gotta come to be empty. And I said, no guests, your presences, presents, and I already had too much stuff, So how did you dare to surbey me? 00:00:48 Speaker 3: Welcome to, I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Winecker had quite a last couple of days. I'm just gonna reveal that I had a piece of floss stuff and my permanent retainer, and it was touch and go for a minute. I bought a different type of loss to try to remove it, and that didn't work. But I finally was able to get rid of that. And now I'm just going to keep living with this curse of a permanent retainer that's been in my mouth for twenty years. But I'm going to put all of that aside for the next hour or so because I'm ready to welcome my wonderful guest, the very very funny Soesier Zameida. Hello, welcome to. I said, no gifts. Welcome to my kitchen. 00:01:36 Speaker 2: Oh it's so nice. 00:01:37 Speaker 3: How are you? 00:01:39 Speaker 2: I'm good. I actually had a permanent retainer fall out. 00:01:42 Speaker 3: Oh well, good for you. How long had it been in there. 00:01:47 Speaker 2: It was there. 00:01:48 Speaker 4: Oh man, I probably like twelve years or something like that. And then I guess the plaster, I don't know, how do they keep it wax or whatever. 00:01:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some literal cement they've got in your team. 00:02:01 Speaker 4: The cement, I guess, eroded and it just like, this is a wire hanging out of my mouth. 00:02:05 Speaker 2: One day, I just ripped it out and I was like, I guess it's done. 00:02:09 Speaker 3: Wait, so now you're just living life free of the of the retainer. 00:02:13 Speaker 2: Well, no, they made I got a bottom retainer that you can just put in there. 00:02:19 Speaker 3: Oh like at night, yes, okay, so you know. 00:02:23 Speaker 2: Nothing's happening in the day. By night, I sleep with a retainer. 00:02:26 Speaker 3: Okay, this is good to know because doctor Nancy, my dentist, recommended this to me a couple of visits ago. But it seemed like something I was a little wary of. But now I know somebody who's done it, and it seems like it's working. I've got to get rid of this thing. 00:02:41 Speaker 4: Just get rid of it. It's also just weird that it's there. It's like supposed to be there for the rest of your life. 00:02:46 Speaker 3: I'm buried, but this thing. This isled. Yeah, it was like ninth grade they put it in, especially up. 00:02:54 Speaker 4: With all the like food and bacteria it's encountering every year. 00:02:56 Speaker 2: It's like, so this just stays. 00:02:58 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a terrible idea. It seems like something from the Middle Ages or something. 00:03:02 Speaker 2: It's I probably is. 00:03:04 Speaker 3: Well, next time I get to go to the dentist, which will probably be thirty years from now, I'm gonna have that removed. So did you have braces? 00:03:11 Speaker 2: I did? 00:03:12 Speaker 4: I did from I think seventh grade to ninth grade. 00:03:16 Speaker 2: Oh, like the end of seventh grade to begin ninth grade. 00:03:18 Speaker 3: We're Brace's twins. Then we both went through that period of our lives decked out in braces. 00:03:24 Speaker 2: Ain't it fun? 00:03:25 Speaker 4: Oh? 00:03:25 Speaker 3: It was a true joy. If I don't remember that much, I do remember the first night I got the braces, my family went out to Chili's for dinner, and I remember ordering some sort of Southwestern pasta that I thought was, you know, very sophisticated. But I can still take that. I can taste that pasta and imagine my aching teeth. 00:03:49 Speaker 2: Oh gosh. 00:03:51 Speaker 3: But yeah, braces were a terrible time. 00:03:53 Speaker 4: And I remember my I would have a wire that like sometimes didn't get cut whenever I get my whenever you go back to get at and sometimes the wire would be like too far back in my mouth and like poke my cheek. Oh, then I like go back there and they had to like cut it again. 00:04:10 Speaker 3: That seems dangerous. What was this orthodox? Yeah? I don't know, just fast and loose with your teeth. 00:04:17 Speaker 4: Just like all right, you're good, I have like wired is poking out of my lips. 00:04:21 Speaker 3: Did you get different colors of elastic bands? 00:04:23 Speaker 4: I did, feeling I got green and pink one time, like alternating, right or like. 00:04:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I just want to have like fun. 00:04:33 Speaker 3: With my something, to have some level of enjoyment. Do people still get braces or is it all? Are we just doing in visil line at this point, it. 00:04:41 Speaker 4: Does seem like like even teens are getting in visiline right, which it's also just a weird thing that looks like you just have like a film covering right your teeth. 00:04:50 Speaker 3: I mean I think that the brace is being a more visible thing almost is better because it's just like you're not hiding anything. 00:04:57 Speaker 1: Just good. 00:04:57 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:04:57 Speaker 4: With the mizzle line, you're like, is something wrong? What's going on in there? And then with Bracy're like, oh they're braceist. 00:05:03 Speaker 3: Yes, I can see exactly what's happening in your mouth, and now I'm comfortable. Okay, well this is good news about the retainer, Thank god, because I've got to get rid of this thing. It's I feel like that's sort of a bionic man or something machine. Oh it's torture. 00:05:21 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 00:05:22 Speaker 3: Well what have you been up to? You've so, I mean I met you recently in person. Yeah, from a safe distance, and uh, you know, the world's insane, but yeah, you I think when I came over you had just been meditating. Is that something you're doing it to day? 00:05:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been doing I learned transcendental meditation right before quarantine started. 00:05:48 Speaker 3: Oh what a blessing. 00:05:49 Speaker 2: Truly, like, I didn't know this was going to happen. 00:05:52 Speaker 4: But I'm so glad that the time it worked out that I finished my program and then oh, I'm now home trying to be. 00:06:01 Speaker 3: So. Yeah, were you going to classes? Were you doing it online classes? 00:06:05 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:06:05 Speaker 4: You have to go to four sessions in a row and they just teach you how to do it, and you do it in person and then they're like, okay, we trust you go go forth and wow, transcend and you do it twice a day, twenty minutes each time, every day, and then like there's some days where I don't before I only get one in or you're a human being, yeah, which is nice because they emphasize that. 00:06:34 Speaker 2: They're like, you don't have to feel bad. Honestly. 00:06:36 Speaker 4: The instructor said something that I really loved, which was like, even if you get in the shall end. 00:06:43 Speaker 2: Of the pool, you still get wet. Oh, so it's like, n it's nice. 00:06:47 Speaker 4: I was like, even if I meditated and it was only ten minutes or I didn't get as deep as I wanted to, I still did it. 00:06:54 Speaker 3: Right, right? And so what were these classes? What was happening in these classes? What are exactly are they teaching us it? Breathing techniques? Is it? 00:07:03 Speaker 4: Honestly, they teach you the technique, but it is mostly the students being. 00:07:08 Speaker 2: Like, am I doing this right? 00:07:10 Speaker 4: And they're like yeah, yeah you are, and they're like okay, but I feel like this and people and they're like, yeah, that's that's how you're suposed to feel, and they're like okay, but is that right? 00:07:18 Speaker 2: Truly? That's like most you're just a lot of. 00:07:21 Speaker 3: People asking am I doing this correctly? 00:07:23 Speaker 4: Because it is strange, like I've never like I've tried meditating before on my own. 00:07:29 Speaker 2: And I've done like apps and stuff, right, but so this is a. 00:07:33 Speaker 4: Different, uh version where it's like it's it's you. It's like you don't have anything, you know, the music, you don't have anyone guiding you or anything. And so I think most people don't trust themselves and they're like, I can't be doing this right. 00:07:48 Speaker 2: I can't. 00:07:48 Speaker 4: Of course, it can't be this simple. And then the instructors are like, yeah, that's you're doing it right. You're doing what you're supposed to be doing. 00:07:56 Speaker 3: So I mean I've done a little bit of the app thing, but mostly just to bore myself into falling into to sleep for naps or that sort of yeah, because they're like, you need to be sitting up during this, and every time I disobey that, I lie down in bed and just let it. The Australian man lulled me to sleep. What like, what are you doing that's different from that thing? Because I know that's like hounding your breaths and focusing on breath this sort of thing. 00:08:19 Speaker 2: Well, you have a mantra. 00:08:21 Speaker 4: Oh, and you're given one specifically from your instructor, like individually, and it's a secret you're supposed to tell people. 00:08:29 Speaker 2: And then you have to sit up. 00:08:32 Speaker 4: You can't have your head like resting on anything in case you fall asleep. 00:08:38 Speaker 2: I guess. 00:08:38 Speaker 4: But yeah, I supposed to just like be floating and close your eyes. 00:08:43 Speaker 2: You kind of like. 00:08:44 Speaker 4: Clear your mind for a minute. Then you go through your mantra. And that's kind of it. 00:08:49 Speaker 3: And is a mantra a certain amount of syllables. 00:08:52 Speaker 4: I think they have different syllables. I don't know how many. I honestly don't know anyone else's mantras. 00:08:57 Speaker 2: I don't even know how many syllables there. 00:08:59 Speaker 4: Have, is how many I have? And sometimes it morphs or just sounds kind of sounds. It might be a word that means something, but like I don't know, I don't know what I mean. 00:09:13 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 00:09:14 Speaker 3: I'm just going to keep asking until I know what your mom, Troy. 00:09:17 Speaker 2: Is, I'll tell much. It's cool because like, I, have you ever done a deprivation tank? 00:09:25 Speaker 3: I have. 00:09:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did one once, which was. 00:09:31 Speaker 4: I shouldn't have done it this day because I had to do I like a meeting right after, and I was in the tank and it was one of those salt water ones, right and I had to take a shower to like get all the salts out of my hair afterwards. 00:09:42 Speaker 2: And I don't know if my tank was. 00:09:44 Speaker 4: Broken or what, but like it didn't beep or like it didn't wake me up when I was supposed to be woke it up. 00:09:50 Speaker 2: So I got out of there like ten minutes later than I was supposed to do. 00:09:52 Speaker 4: I was like fuck, and I had like shower quickly, and then I still have salt in my hair and I'm like driving quickly down the inter state trying to shake salt out of my hair and then just like canceled the meeting. Anyway, the tank was great and the floating sensation, like it was so cool because he felt weightless, right, like just like floating there in the dark. And that is how I feel during TM. That's how I feel like when I'm meditating. Yeah, I feel like this floating even though I'm I know I'm grounded. I know I'm touching the couch and I'm sitting down, but I do feel a very like weightless energy happening. 00:10:29 Speaker 3: It seems like a money saving opportunity. You're no longer paying for a deprivation tank. 00:10:33 Speaker 2: It's true. I just do it at home. 00:10:35 Speaker 3: The deprivation tank was such a weird experience because you know, you like the water is basically your body temperature. There's no light, you can't see anything, there's no sound, and you're in there for how long, like three hours or something. I think I was in there for like an hour. Maybe I was kidnapped. Okay, let's say an hour. That does seem more reasonable. If I was in there for three hours, then that was a different situation. 00:10:59 Speaker 2: You're being cooked. 00:11:03 Speaker 3: It was in an instant pot for three hours and I had to escape. No, but it is like this weird period of life that's just like kind of doesn't exist in your memory. Like the memory is just this darkness that you're just in for a long period, and then you get out and you felt kind of nothing. You were just floating. It's incredible. 00:11:25 Speaker 5: Uh. 00:11:25 Speaker 3: And it's also the one I went to was like it almost in like this basement. It felt like a like a Charlie Kaufman like Eternal Sunshine sort of situation. So kind of a nice lobby and then you go in and suddenly you're like in a submarine tank. I think everyone needs to experience this at least once. My friend who I went with, you know, you're in separate things, she bailed part way through. I got out and left, and she was nowhere to be found. 00:11:56 Speaker 2: So you're scared or something. 00:11:58 Speaker 3: I think she got anxious, which you can't blame somebody because you are basically trapped in a just pitch black tube. But you know, I was betrayed if I was left in a dangerous situation. 00:12:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the thing happened to you? 00:12:17 Speaker 1: What? 00:12:17 Speaker 2: Have you drowned? 00:12:17 Speaker 3: Right? 00:12:18 Speaker 2: She's done? 00:12:18 Speaker 3: Who's going to take my dead wet body to the Mork if not my friend? Oh jeez, Well I'm glad to hear you've tried that too. I mean that's it's almost like a mini quarantine. Maybe that's that was prep, just not experiencing the outside world. 00:12:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, really, social distancing from everyone? 00:12:39 Speaker 3: Right? What is your social distancing bend for this? Have you been pretty on top of it or you? 00:12:46 Speaker 4: When this started, I was truly like, I am at home, I'm seeing no one. But also I am an introvert and I get socially anxious. So I've been thriving like I do. 00:12:59 Speaker 2: Like being home. I don't have a problem saying no to events. So I was like, this is great. I'm just gonna be home and no one's expecting me to be anywhere. I love it. 00:13:08 Speaker 3: That's a dream. 00:13:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:13:10 Speaker 4: But I have been like wanting more people, so I've been doing like park hangs where it's like I'm on my blanket, you're on your blanket. 00:13:18 Speaker 2: We have masks on. Yeah. It is strange. 00:13:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that first the initial like seeing another person for me was well, it's still is like kind of a shock to my system, especially for the first time. The other day, I went to pick up some food and saw a friend and she and I were a safe distance away. We both had masks on, but I had in addition to not sing or during quarantine. It had probably been a year, and my social skills just failed me on such a crazy I almost like wrote her an apology because I was just like, what was I saying? Why was I behaving that way? Yeah, but it's because I've just been here with my dog and my boyfriend, and those are the only people for I guess they're either people or creatures I've seen for a while. So it's I think there's gonna be some level of rehabilitation when this is over. 00:14:09 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Like it's hard to think of what to talk about or write or how to talk. Sometimes words don't sound right coming out of my mouth, and I'm like, what happened to me? 00:14:19 Speaker 3: Yeah? And there's just so little happening in our lives that it's like there's nothing to update. 00:14:24 Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, I guess I'm still home. I don't know. 00:14:27 Speaker 3: And meanwhile, like the outside world, a ton of stuff is happening. Yeah, it's this weird disconnect in your brain where it's like a lot is going on. But for me personally, what have I done? I made cookies and cleaned the dishes, and. 00:14:44 Speaker 2: So many dishes. I've never done this. 00:14:48 Speaker 4: I don't because I don't think I'm like eating a ton, but like I feel like I'm doing dishes all day. 00:14:55 Speaker 2: Yes, it's wild, it's wild. 00:14:58 Speaker 3: And this is just for like two people. I can't imagine like a full family. I would lose my mind, Yeah, I would would. I think I would get rid of some of those kids, right, or turning up to dishwashers, I don't know, or you're just like dumping food directly onto the table. That's where I would get. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: Just build a trunk close. 00:15:21 Speaker 3: I'm going to put some meatballs in here, and everybody circle round something. I wanted to talk to you about you at some point worked at Disney Worlds. Correct I did. Yeah, you were like a costume character. I was. 00:15:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is in college during the it was the Disney College program, Okay, and uh, you could have different positions, like if you were studying hotel management or something, you could work in the Disney. 00:15:49 Speaker 2: Hotels and learn about that. 00:15:52 Speaker 4: I'm a performer, so I auditioned to be a cast member performer, and so I was a costume character. 00:16:01 Speaker 2: I walked on stilts in Mickey's jam in Jungle Parade. 00:16:06 Speaker 3: Were you in costume on stilts? 00:16:09 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And there was like different You could be a lizard. 00:16:14 Speaker 4: I could be a porcupine, which no one wanted to be a porcupine. That it was like a backpack with spikes basically, and it was huge. Yeah, if you fell over, like you were capsized for a while. I could be a zebra. It was the only ones they remember, but yeah, it was. It was fun because you're just like walking down the street waving at kids, and I was like, oh my gosh, this super tall lizard. 00:16:41 Speaker 3: Wait, had you been on stilts before? Was there like a snails training program? 00:16:46 Speaker 2: There was a training program which was really awesome. 00:16:48 Speaker 4: There was just like if you want to take these classes, you can, And I took a few classes and they had. 00:16:54 Speaker 2: Or maybe they're called painter stilts. They're just like they were. They were thick. They weren't like the stick oh pokey ones. 00:17:01 Speaker 4: They had like like if you had good core strength and balance, you could do it right and you just had to like lift heavier. 00:17:10 Speaker 3: Footwear okay, like a robot man or something like. Yeah. 00:17:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like thick and metal, but not that hard to walk in. 00:17:19 Speaker 3: I think, have you been in stilts since? 00:17:22 Speaker 4: Actually, after I graduated college, I lived in Maryland for a few months because I was living with my stepmom, and I think I saw on Craigslist or somewhere I found this like circus group. 00:17:37 Speaker 3: And as you do, people found a circus group on Craigslist that we joined for a period. 00:17:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they had multiple classes and they had a stilt walking class and they would make stilts according to your leg side. 00:17:53 Speaker 2: So they made wooden. 00:17:54 Speaker 4: Stilts to fit my legs specifically, and then they teach you how to tie it with a like a rope, and then they teach you how to like lift off. And so I learned even more advanced stilts, and then like walked in a Halloween parade that year. 00:18:11 Speaker 2: And I still have the stilts. They're like in my closet. 00:18:13 Speaker 3: You've got to walk around Los Angeles in these. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: I should. I haven't. I haven't broken them out eight years. 00:18:19 Speaker 3: How tall are you when you have the stilts on? 00:18:23 Speaker 4: Probably, uh, maybe eight feet? I think they're like three feet tall and I'm five to seven. 00:18:29 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's insane. 00:18:33 Speaker 3: I feel like we're not using stilts enough as this as a society. I feel like, instead of line scooters, they should just have stilts on the sidewalk and you can rent them and walk around the city. I would. I've never been on one of those scooters, but if there was a pair of stilts outside my apartment, I would be in them. I would be walking around the grocery store, you know, actually being able to excesside on this. 00:18:53 Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, it might be safer than the scooters because at least you're everyone knows that I'll walk, so like, and you will get there quicker because your legs are longer, exactly. 00:19:04 Speaker 3: And literally right, no, just the most dangerous thing on the planet. 00:19:10 Speaker 2: Truly, or those bikes people just like like weaving in and out of the road. 00:19:15 Speaker 3: I'm realizing, I don't think I've seen one of those scooters in a minute. Have they disappeared? 00:19:20 Speaker 2: WHOA, I haven't seen it. 00:19:22 Speaker 3: Oh maybe because of Corona, right, maybe this is one of the very few benefits of Corona, as we get rid of the scooters. 00:19:31 Speaker 4: Of those damn scooters everywhere they're always like where they're not supposed to be, like in the Interstate. 00:19:37 Speaker 3: It's like who put that there? It's just like the city is littered with scrap metal. It's crazy to me. We've got to get away from those and if this is the end of them, good riddance. I just saw that the segu has been discontinued, which is a shame. But I never get on got on a segue, and I guess that's probably for the better. Again, stilts would be better than a segue. 00:19:59 Speaker 4: Is fun though, because because anyone can do it, he's got lean forward a little bit and then you're like, I'm traveling where were you on a segue? 00:20:08 Speaker 3: Was this in Disney World? 00:20:10 Speaker 4: Maybe it was I'm trying to think. I know, I know, I've definitely been, but I'm having trouble remembering where I was. 00:20:16 Speaker 3: It was another Craigslist group. Maybe it was a segu Wait, so you were, Let's get back to Disney World for a minute, because I've got questions. Yeah, yeah, you're in this costume. Is it a thousand degrees in there? Yeah? 00:20:30 Speaker 4: If people think that there's like fans inside the costumes, there are not. So if it's like ninety degrees outside, it's like one hundred and ten inside the casto. 00:20:40 Speaker 3: How long are you in the costume for at a time? 00:20:44 Speaker 2: Thirty minutes? 00:20:44 Speaker 4: So like if you're outside, if I'm Pluto, right, I'm outside, I talked to the kids, or I don't talk. 00:20:51 Speaker 2: We don't talk at all. 00:20:52 Speaker 5: This is where we learned gave Pluto a whole new character, like what was Pluto is chatty Sharon Cots parisee theories. Actually, all the costume characters. We could only make a kiss sound. 00:21:05 Speaker 2: Like oh, I think it would be like I don't know, goodbye, like hi, and then Pluto can make two noises. You can do a kiss or you go slurring noise with. 00:21:20 Speaker 4: This ton because his tongue was always hanging outside. 00:21:22 Speaker 2: Of his mouth. 00:21:25 Speaker 3: Only kiss and French kiss those Disney cannon. 00:21:32 Speaker 2: Disney way. 00:21:34 Speaker 4: So yeah, we could only interact with the kids for thirty minutes, because I guess I'm sure they've done studies where it's like that's how much a human body can there can stays right, They're like an hour's too long, and then and then there's another You have like a double in the breakroom waiting to go, and then you switch and then they're out there for thirty minutes and you take a break and drink. 00:21:57 Speaker 2: Water and cool off. 00:21:59 Speaker 3: Wow, and this is like an eight hour work day? 00:22:01 Speaker 1: What is this? 00:22:03 Speaker 2: I feel like it wasn't even that long. 00:22:05 Speaker 4: What did I I can't I honestly can't remember because it was like two thousand and seven, But I feel like it wasn't a full work day. But I think I also feel like I did multiple things during a day, Like I did like this character for a couple hours in this park, and then I did stilts in this park for a couple hours, and I feel like it's bounced around for a little bit. 00:22:26 Speaker 3: Jeez, this seems intense, and it was intense. Would you try to get into character or was it just like I'm gonna put on this stupid thing and make kissing noises. That's what you're going to get out of me. 00:22:36 Speaker 4: I definitely got into character, and I feel like everyone did. They just they really pumped in the like Disney Pride in our training and made you. 00:22:46 Speaker 2: Feel like, yeah, I am bluedout and like. 00:22:50 Speaker 4: And we all have to match too, so like we have to learn the same, like arm movements and like shaking hands in the same In the signature they alway has to be saying because you don't want one kid to compare their experience with another and be like, well, my Pluto was pretty depressed. 00:23:05 Speaker 3: That's when the fantasy starts to break down. Yeah, so season two Peak behind the Curtain. Absolutely, that's crazy. I can't imagine that. You know, six Flags has got the same the same system going there. 00:23:18 Speaker 4: No, I actually saw a headline saying six Flags is going to open during the pandemic but not have any rides. 00:23:26 Speaker 3: Well, because everyone knows that everybody's favorite part is walking around the concrete at six Flags in blazing. 00:23:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, like I don't because I also don't remember the Six Flag food to be like, so it's like, course, I'm sure the food's average. There's no rides, and I don't think they have shows. I don't think they have like musical shows or like puppet shows. Maybe they do, I don't know, but it seems like I've only gone to Six Flags for the rise. 00:23:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, so this is just literally going to get nachos and like stale funnel cakes. Yeah, it feels wild to me. Well, I mean, god speed. I don't know what to tell those, Paul certainly, Well, maybe I'll go for the novelty at some point, because that seems be. 00:24:07 Speaker 2: Nice to be like, what a weird dystopian event. 00:24:19 Speaker 3: I do have a million other questions about disney World and being a character, but there's something else I need to talk about with you, and it's a sensitive subject. Obviously. This podcast is called I Said No Gifts. It's got a very clear directive. A couple days ago, I was driving by your house. I stopped, I texted, and you came outside holding a bag and you gave it to me. And I didn't think that much of it, And on the way home, I couldn't help myself. I looked in the bag and there was what appears to be a wrapt gift. Ye did you Is this a gift for me? Oh? 00:25:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I wrote on the bag for Bridger, So it's for you. 00:25:06 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:25:06 Speaker 3: Okay, Uh should I open it? 00:25:09 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's a gift to get open. 00:25:11 Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me see what's inside here. So it's inside a like a brown paper bag that says for Bridger. So I guess that was my first hint. And now we're opening it up and it's this beautiful melon wrapped paper. I'm gonna I guess I'm going to open it. I don't. I don't know that I have any more choice. You've got me cornered. Wow. And this is a good bo ribbon you've got tied on. 00:25:34 Speaker 2: Oh thank you. Yeah. I take pride in my gift wrapping. I've done it for my family for years. 00:25:39 Speaker 3: Oh are you Do you feel like you're a good rapper. 00:25:42 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a really good rapper. 00:25:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm They good at like chucking the corners in and making sure there's no excess paper. 00:25:48 Speaker 2: How did you learn hmmm? I think just being a perfectionist. 00:25:52 Speaker 3: They just kept trying and trying and trying. Yeah, okay, well okay, I've got I'm put the microphone down. I'm holding it like I'm hosting a game show here. But in order to open the gift, I need two hands. You might need scissors. 00:26:08 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't be delicate. You look really great, Bridgerie. This is that's perfect. 00:26:14 Speaker 3: This is ah. I said no gifts first, which means I've had to bring in a tool to open the whoa what scissors? So sheer has has forced me to open with scissors, which is just wild. That's a good gift wrap. Okay. Oh I should get some gift unwrapping scissors just for this, and a little pair of gloves. I'm to write there, okay, I'm opening the gift, open it near the microphone here it's like this is yes, okay, here we go. I'm getting clear. Oh what is what is this? 00:26:57 Speaker 5: This? 00:26:58 Speaker 3: Okay? So I'm getting the microphone out again, hosting the show, trying to do my job. You've given me what it's called decorative dogs coloring for everyone, and it looks like it's a oh and I'm just going to read everything here first. It's coloring for everyone collection. So this it works for me because I need something that's for everybody. It's also a fun anti stress coloring book. So sheer, do you do a lot of coloring? 00:27:26 Speaker 2: I do. I do a lot of coloring. 00:27:28 Speaker 3: I feel like a great pandemic activity. 00:27:32 Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. I colored when I was a kid. 00:27:36 Speaker 4: Kids did, right, But then I continued it into college and that was like my de stressor and from studying and stuff like that. 00:27:46 Speaker 3: Right, So in college, what sort of were you going out and buying coloring books or were you just I was like any favorites or any categories. 00:27:55 Speaker 4: I think at that point in time, it was like whatever was near the cash register, like Target or something. It's like whatever's close. I do think I had like a Disney Princess coloring book. 00:28:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fifty percent of the market is Disney Princess coloring books, truly. 00:28:14 Speaker 4: But yeah, I didn't really matter what I was coloring, but just the activity of completing a picture and having it look nice. 00:28:23 Speaker 2: Right, And I didn't have to really try. 00:28:25 Speaker 4: You know, I'm not drawing anything. All I'm doing is keeping it inside the lines. Just feel so satisfying. 00:28:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is kind of like an ASMR type activity that's like just pleasant all the way through. Now, yeah, you say you're a perfectionist. So I feel like there are people who do coloring books and they stay true to what the image needs to look like. And then there's someone like me. I maybe it's just because I'm bad at it, but will just color in all sorts of things snoopy will end up being neon green, this sort of what category do you fall into? 00:29:04 Speaker 4: Do you think I was in the category of, like, these colors should be accurate, right, And then there was a concerted effort to go outside the bounds, to be like, be a little looser. You don't have to be so strict about a coloring book, like make it green. 00:29:23 Speaker 2: Who cares? You know, Like this guy doesn't have to be blue, make it orange. So I, yeah, it's it took a while. Now I feel more at ease being like all the colors are good, I can use whatever. 00:29:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that pull. I mean I think I think coloring books are good that way, where it's like you there's a fence that keeps you in, so you know things are under control, but you can experiment within those bounds. It's not like a white piece of paper where absolutely where I'll just be a disaster. Are you Were you much of an artistic person growing up or was that? 00:29:59 Speaker 2: Yeah? Very much so. I was in my ap art classes in high school, Thank you so much. 00:30:06 Speaker 4: The test, Yeah, I did, and my instructor actually wanted me to apply to an art school. 00:30:14 Speaker 2: Oh no, we continue. 00:30:15 Speaker 4: But I I knew I was more of a performer than a visual artist, and I wish I kept with it because I, like, you know, it's a tactile skill, so like we. 00:30:26 Speaker 2: Don't practice it, you can kind of lose it. 00:30:28 Speaker 4: So I can draw better than the average Joe, but I can't. I definitely can't do what I used to do when I was younger. 00:30:35 Speaker 3: Sure, what does the ap ART test look like? What are what are you doing in that? 00:30:42 Speaker 2: What did we do? 00:30:43 Speaker 3: I think? 00:30:44 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I think we just did. Oh I think we had a portfolio. Maybe this someone analyzed? 00:30:51 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I think so. 00:30:52 Speaker 4: I think it was like an accumulation of your work over time, oh interest, as opposed to like you're in a room and you're dropping. 00:31:03 Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. I don't think that they even offered APR at my high school, but they didn't offer a lot of things, so that wouldn't come as too much of a surprise. Okay, So you up until the end of high school you were kind of doing visual art, and then you threw away your dream. 00:31:21 Speaker 2: I did for another dream for acting and singing and performing. 00:31:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, is there any interest in getting back into visual arts, you know, trying to combine it with performance, or is it's just too much of it. I'm now trying to give you some extra thing to do in life. Who cares? 00:31:38 Speaker 4: No, I always I'm myself. I'm trying to give myself extra things. I you know, when I was in New York and I was always in the train, I would like write jokes into a notepad and stuff, and I was like, I just carry another notepad and draw on it. 00:31:51 Speaker 2: And I never did. 00:31:52 Speaker 4: I maybe did it once, and I was like, this sucks, and I just abandoned the idea completely. And I also want to get back into the and get back into the violin and get back into the piano, and like, there's like so many things I want to do that are not they don't actually relate to my career, or not that they don't relate to my career. 00:32:12 Speaker 2: I could incorporate them. 00:32:14 Speaker 3: Somehow, but I just just like I don't know it's working right now, so why bother? 00:32:19 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:32:20 Speaker 3: What I mean? Those things are all They also also qualified kind of as hobbies, like do you have current hobbies that are a little unrelated to your career or well. 00:32:30 Speaker 2: I just bought some roller skates. 00:32:32 Speaker 3: Oh man, you just always have to have something on your feet. You've got to be on stillts skates. Where are you roller skating? 00:32:45 Speaker 4: I have a little courtyard outside my place that's just like a fenced in sure plot of asphalt and then long driveway too. 00:32:54 Speaker 2: I haven't like. 00:32:54 Speaker 4: Gone anywhere yet because I'm not I don't feel comfortable enough to be like taking the streets. 00:33:01 Speaker 3: Is this your first time roller skating? 00:33:04 Speaker 4: I used to do as a kid all the time and then like occasionally for like someone's birthday or something, But as a full adult, no, I haven't like done it regularly, and I definitely don't know any tricks or anything, like I don't know how to skate backwards right. 00:33:19 Speaker 2: Well that I want to be like really cool. 00:33:24 Speaker 4: I want to look I want to go down the street like twist it and turn in and jump in and have people be like. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: Look at that girl. 00:33:31 Speaker 3: You know, well, rules getting such a crazy thing because if you're not good at it, you look so unbelievably awkward and in danger at all times. But if you like can learn the skills and tricks, it's the most amazing thing. Like I'll go to a roller rink around here and I feel humiliated to be in roller skates and with these other people who are like doing inhuman things. It's wild. 00:33:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, it's uh honestly kind of like improv. 00:34:01 Speaker 4: Like when it's good, it's amazing, and then when it's bad, it's like the worst the world. 00:34:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, bad improv truly, I think, I really do think bad improv is as close as you can get to like like a live version of somebody telling you their dream, but it's an hour long where it's just like none of the logic here adds up. I don't want to be listening to this. 00:34:26 Speaker 2: I'm sweating, but I don't know what any of these people are. Yeah, exactly, but they don't get their references. 00:34:37 Speaker 3: Is the best, So I guess roller skating or combine the two that would be probably dangerous. Also fine, Okay, so you're learning to roller skate, you I feel like you make good use of your time. 00:34:55 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I don't feel that way. Are your days pretty structured? 00:35:00 Speaker 1: No? 00:35:00 Speaker 2: I mean I just. 00:35:01 Speaker 4: Moved truly, as quarantine started, like March fifteenth, I moved, and so most of my days have been like unpacking, rearranging stuff, buying other furniture. And now I'm at the point where I'm like, oh, I don't have much else to do, so I guess I have to do work or anything creative or yeah, so my days kind of feel like very loose, other than like waking up and doing meditation and then I eat breakfast and then after that anything goes beautiful. 00:35:34 Speaker 3: And wait, were you in New York prior to this or have you been in La? 00:35:40 Speaker 2: I've been in La for it'll be two years in August, so yeah, I was in New York for nine years and then moved here just in eighteen. And then, yeah, I've been in LA. 00:35:53 Speaker 3: Where were you in LA prior to your move? 00:35:55 Speaker 2: I was in Silver Lake before okay, and now I'm in Echo Park Okay, not that far. 00:36:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just a roller skates right away. Do now back to the dog decorative dogs? You're not a pet owner, are you? 00:36:11 Speaker 1: I'm not? 00:36:11 Speaker 3: Do you animals? 00:36:13 Speaker 2: I do. I had a dog growing up. I love dogs, and but my. 00:36:20 Speaker 4: My man, my partner, he's a cat person, okay, and really wants to get two cats because they have to have a friend. Apparently you can't just get one cat. 00:36:33 Speaker 3: Yes, and it's kind of like recommended. 00:36:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm ambivalent to cats. I don't hate them, sure, I have been around some really crazy cats. Like I was house sitting for a friend and she had a cat and she was like, oh, just use feeder, she'll go to sleep. 00:36:50 Speaker 2: Whatever. 00:36:51 Speaker 4: This cat like screamed at me for hours when I was trying to go to bed, and I jumped on my chest and I was like, do you want to cuddle? 00:37:01 Speaker 2: And it's just like staring at my face, being like, well, you're not my you're not my owner. I don't know who you. 00:37:05 Speaker 4: Are, and then would just like run away, scream some more, and I was like I had to leave. 00:37:11 Speaker 2: I was like I can't. I'm sorry, I can't take care of your house or your cat. 00:37:14 Speaker 4: This cat is insane, but of course the owner doesn't know that because the cat's being on its best behavior when the owner. 00:37:21 Speaker 3: Is there, nothing but sweetness around the owner. 00:37:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then seeing another friend's house, well when they weren't there. And the cat, because this cat opens doors like it would jump and like pull the handle and would just be like hello, and I'm. 00:37:38 Speaker 2: Like, no, you can't just come in here. 00:37:41 Speaker 4: And then if you lock the door, it would scratch at the door and yell, and I was like, all right, I guess you had to leave the doors open, so just freely walk in and out. So I and so I've seen more crazy cats than I have crazy dogs, right, And so I don't but I hoping if we do get cats that they'll. 00:38:02 Speaker 2: Just like us. Yeah, cut us. 00:38:05 Speaker 3: That is kind of people's experience with cats, where it's like you because cats are dogs are so much more. I want to be friends with everyone, and cats are like only the people I know I want to be friends with. 00:38:16 Speaker 2: So honestly is my personality, right, So you might you. 00:38:20 Speaker 3: Might learn that this is you'll really have something in common with these cats when the time comes. And have you started looking for cats or is this all early on? 00:38:31 Speaker 2: This is still very early. And I kind of put it on him. 00:38:34 Speaker 4: I was like, you want these cats, so you figure out where what kind we're getting, where they're coming from? 00:38:41 Speaker 3: Well, you he should at least give you some options. I think you have final say. He brings, you know, the a batch of photos, the cat headshots, and then you get to the final call, because otherwise you're gonna feel too You're gonna feel disconnected from them or something. 00:38:55 Speaker 2: Right, it's a cat saying call. 00:39:00 Speaker 3: This podcast is over. I'm deleting the audio file and I'm going to destroy your career. No, that was absolutely called for. And I feel like that maybe is a television series. Maybe that's oh my god, how that? Yeah? Have you ever worked with the showbiz cat. I don't think so. No. 00:39:26 Speaker 4: I did do a pilot with a dog that was super cute, had hardly anything to do. All I had to do was like lay in a bed in this pretend coffee shop, and it kept getting up. 00:39:38 Speaker 2: It kept just like getting up and walking wherever. 00:39:40 Speaker 3: It wanted to. 00:39:43 Speaker 2: And we were like, you have one job. Just laid out the easiest show the ald. 00:39:47 Speaker 3: So we all wanted to, but it. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: Was like and then we had to cut the dog. The dogs had to go completely. 00:39:54 Speaker 3: These Hollywood dreams were dashed. Yeah, shame. Showbiz animals are very odd to me. I've worked with one show biz cat and I think that may be it, But I mean, the trainers are always interesting. It's always just a situation that's beyond my whole comprehension. But you know, bless those animals for out there making the money. Yeah, I don't know what to tell. Okay, well, I'm going to get to coloring this book. Oh maybe I'll share some on the Instagram at some point to show people my lacking dog skills. But I'm seeing I mean, I'm seeing some There's a for example, a dog dressed as a small girl holding a purse. Just wildly confusing. But this really covers all of the categories of dogs, from realistic dogs to abstract dogs to dogs as little girls. So this could be a whole world for me during the next few months. I'm very excited. 00:41:01 Speaker 2: Do you ever dress your dog up as a oh, a little girl? 00:41:05 Speaker 3: I don't. I dress her up as a beautiful woman. I uh. I found this in the lobby of our building. Someone had left a giant pink sun hat, and immediately it was like, I'm putting that on Eadie. She's gonna wear the hat. She looked great in it, and so okase she will put her on that. She's looking looking at me right now because I said her name, trying to leave her sleeping, because she'll come and bother me. I've got a hundred wires and she'll trip over them. But dressing up an animal, I don't know. I don't know if it's a controversial opinion to take, but I think a light costume on an animal is as good as it gets. It's just so cute and that's funny. 00:41:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not constricting, and they're like, you know, right in a full tux. 00:41:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, on like a bandage dress on the dog or something you hat. I think a loose hat is always good on a dog. Maybe a big t shirt. Cats you run into I had years ago, and they did not want to wear anything that a cat does not want to be in a costume. I had a little sailor costume. Those don't last a second and it just makes the cat furious. So sure, But of course dogs are a little bit more good natured, and I recommend people put their dog in a costume from time to time. There's nothing wrong with that. Just make sure they're comfortable and looking their best. You don't want to humiliate them. I feel like, you know what it's time to move on to a game. Why don't we play games. We're gonna play a game called I want to play Gift or a Curse. Basically, what is going to happen is, I'm going to ask you for a number between one and ten. You're gonna give me that number. I'm going to calculate from a random list of things, three things that you're going to tell me if they're a gift or a curse and why so give me a number six. Okay for the next who who knows how long I'm going to calculate these things. You can promote something, you can recommend something, you can say whatever you want. I'll be right back. 00:43:07 Speaker 2: Oh okay. 00:43:09 Speaker 4: My social media handle is at the Sheer Truth at thhe sher s h e Er Truth. And you can watch my special Pizza Mind on Amazon. And you can watch this movie called The Weekend that is really great direct by Sala Meggie that's on Amazon and iTunes. And oh, you listen to my podcast best Friends. I do a podcast with my best friend of Cole Buyer, which is really fun. And also you know, just like love each other. Please be safe, Please wear a mask for God's sake so we can get over this this hump and be outside again. 00:43:51 Speaker 3: So Shire that was a perfect use of that time. It was both a public service announcement some promotion. That's exactly what needs to happen in that time. Some people don't handle it, you know, I do just throw them off a cliff and say do what you need to do. But you handled it perfectly, and I thank you. I've got the three things that I have randomly selected, and you've got to tell me if there're a gift or a curse and why, and there are correct answers, and I will let you know, so be careful. 00:44:21 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:44:21 Speaker 3: First up, coal slaw gift or a curse. 00:44:25 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say a curse because it's a cold, weird slop and it doesn't add anything to a different thing, like if you're putting on like a sloppy joe. 00:44:38 Speaker 2: Or a sandwich or anything. 00:44:39 Speaker 4: I honestly think it contrasts too much with the actual thing, because the sandwich is hot, this thing is cold, the sandwich is savory, the coal slaw is nasty. And it's also just like a combination of things that I would never put together like in any other situation. 00:44:56 Speaker 2: Like mayonnaise and carrots and lettuce. 00:45:00 Speaker 4: I just like, why if you want a salad, eat a salad, why are you making this like tiny version of of a soup of a salad soup? 00:45:10 Speaker 3: So shere. Yeah, I hate to break it to you. You're wrong, and I have to tell you why coalslaw is and this is a recent discovery for me a gift. Now, everything you just expressed, I have to say, other than saying that it's a curse, is true. The coleslaw you described as one of the most disgusting foods on the planet. What are we doing putting cabbage and mayonnaise any I mean, let's just break it down. Any salad that the first color I see as white is not a salad. I do not want mayonnaise sliming up my vegetables or my macaroni or get that away from me. But I will say I was recently asked I went to a socially distant it's not a dinner party there were It was my boyfriend and I had then another and we sat six feet apart. But they asked if I would bring a slaw. I said I would. I went to the grocery store. Of course, every one of the coal saws I had. There was dripping in mayonnaise, so I had to make it myself. I had to look up a recipe mayonnaise free. I found one. I made it. I chopped up the cabbage, I chopped up the carrots, the jalapeno, the cilantro, threw them all together, some olive oil, a little bit of vinegar. I couldn't believe that I actually enjoyed eating it. It was a total gift. And the reason it was a gift, it was a shock to my system that I even liked Coleslaw. I didn't realize that it was am I even describing Coleslaw at this point. I don't know I'm describing a Slaw. But it was very refreshing. I guess it was borderline just a cabbage salad now that I'm describing it. But what I'm gonna say here is if we can get away from the nineteen seventy through nineteen ninety eight, I feel like that's the period coals of mayonnaise, coalslaw, terrible rain. If we can remove ourselves from that, we're just looking at a refreshing cabbage salad. Yeah, And I think that maybe if we can rebrand coal sla in that way, we could get into it, but we've got to get away from putting. I don't need mayonnaise soup. Now, that's the curse mayonnaise. Let's just move on. I don't know. Do you like mayonnaise at all? 00:47:24 Speaker 2: Not really? 00:47:25 Speaker 4: I mean I think I did when I was a kid, for like ham and cheese sandwiches. Sure, I can't think of anytime I've used it as an adult or like wanted. 00:47:33 Speaker 3: It right, I'm never looking to put a mayonnaise on a in anything, let alone like being the star ingredient. Okay, Well, I hate to break it to you, but you Okay, So you're failing the game so far, and that's fine. Here's another chance for you. Okay. So what I've written here is, and I'll I don't know why I wrote it like this at the time, but it says those giant soda machines aka coke Free style, So I believe there are those jiant What I was talking about when I wrote this is those ones that are basically a giant computer with a touch screen gift. 00:48:08 Speaker 4: Or are Yeah, i' musa say a gift because you have so many more choices than those soda machines that have just like six sodas, and if you want to combine different flavors, you can do that. You can like flip to page twenty four or whatever it is on this computer, and it just looks cleaner like those the ones with the little levers that you push. 00:48:37 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:48:37 Speaker 4: Everyone's hand is just like up in there, and they just look old. And who knows when the ice has changed. I don't know if the machinery is better in this big old computer in front of me, but I want to believe that there's like some sort of amusement park in there that's changing the ice regularly and making sure all the levels are correct on the flavors and it's all up to code. 00:49:00 Speaker 2: It may not be, but it just seems like it would be better than the other ones. 00:49:05 Speaker 3: It's sure. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to make this difficult for you. I'm not trying to ice you out of this game, but I hate to break it to you. Zero for two, Oh my gosh, Unfortunately these machines are a curse. Again. You did make some good points there, but the moment you're behind somebody that's on one of these machines, like a nine year old boy who's decided to make, you know, a nine flavored doctor pepper. You're gonna be standing there waiting for your drink for who knows how long. Then you get up to the machine, you push your thing. I can't tell you how many times they don't have the flavor I want. I'm telling I'm telling you these are a curse. They're an absolute curse. You want I don't know, like a diet coke occasional, they have a diet coke in there. I'm telling you, that's the thing. You think that would be the flavor they always had. But I feel like they're like, well, we have ginger ale. I don't want to ginger ale. The only reason you have that because no one else selected. It's like they've combined printers, the inconvenience of using a printer with massive soda machine and then they're letting you know, eleven year olds put their sticky fingers all over it. I'm saying, curse, and I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. But you know, at least you've got one final chance here. At least, you know, let's try to get one on the scoreboard here, Okay, gift or a curse. Muting people on social media. 00:50:48 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that's a gift because you can. 00:50:51 Speaker 4: It's a way to distance yourself from any bullshit you don't want to see without hurting someone's feeling. 00:50:57 Speaker 2: Like you don't have to unfollow someone completely. 00:51:00 Speaker 4: You can just mute them and then if they're like overposting about their dog or their food or their baby or whatever has been bothering you. 00:51:08 Speaker 2: You don't have to see it. 00:51:09 Speaker 4: It's like it's a nice boundary that you could put up yourself that doesn't even involve the other person. 00:51:16 Speaker 3: You have landed the plane. Muting people on social media is such a gift. What a power it gives you. The I mean, I don't know how much information I should share on how many people I've muted on social media, but the list is very long and it feels incredible. It's like I'm gonna just I'm gonna put a blanket over you. You're still going to be in the room, but you're not aware of it, and I don't have to deal with the noise that's coming from you. The big mistake I make is occasionally I'll say, why don't I go check out on this person. I why don't I go check them out. I've muted them a year ago. I'm sure they're normal. Now. This has never been a good move. It always ends up with me just being furious, just totally annoyed. So I guess the lesson is leave them muted. Just let them vanish from your life, because there was a reason that you muted them in the first place, and they're not gonna they're not coming back from that. Yeah, let them. 00:52:17 Speaker 4: This is also good for trolls too, like on Twitter, like because if there's a person I don't know at all that tweets something crazy to me, if you if I. 00:52:27 Speaker 2: Block them, they know they got a little validation. 00:52:31 Speaker 3: Yes, they like that. 00:52:33 Speaker 4: And there's people who have in their Twitter bio like blocked vibrant fears or something. 00:52:39 Speaker 2: They're like proud of this. 00:52:41 Speaker 4: They're like, I affected a celebrity and it's so sick. So to just like mute them and be like, I don't have to look at you. Yes, and they have no idea you don't feel it's so good. It feels incredible. I've had that conversation mostly with my boyfriend that you don't just do not interact with these people. Don't get don't let them even know that they exist, because they're terrible and they want that's all they're looking for. The only person you should be proud of being blocked by is, of course Donald Trump. If you were able to bother him, fantastic, go for it. But otherwise being proud of being blocking, it's just such a lamee weird thing. And it's like the thing you had to offer to the world that were just very annoying. I don't know, we're so horrible that somebody had to block You had a hobby color a dog or something color dog? 00:53:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, just go a dog. Well, look at you, I mean you, you totally fell on your face for two of these questions. 00:53:42 Speaker 2: I still think I was right. 00:53:43 Speaker 3: Listen, you did make some good points, but unfortunately you were totally wrong. But the last one, we've come together in a good way and I feel like it's been educational and helpful for the for everybody. Yeah, now we're nearing the end of the podcast. Here if you can just help me out here. This is called I said no questions. People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. These people need help. They are trying to give people in their lives gifts. Let's read one or two of these and see if we can help give them some advice. Do you mind? Okay, all right, sure, all right. This first one says Hey Bridger, Oh now this is they're buttering me up. Love the show all the way out here in Australia. Terrific. So we've got a good egg. Just wondering what would be a good gift for a friend of mine who recently took care of my two fur babies while we were out of town for one night. She loves camping and being active, she loves reading. She already has boxes of wine, So I need something that says thank you but also inexpensive regards. Chee, Chee in Australia. Okay, Well, this is interesting that we've already talked about pets on this podcast, so like we're in the mood to discuss giving gifts to somebody who took care of animals. I mean, so you took care of this cat. Did the person give you anything? No, don't think I. 00:55:00 Speaker 4: Haven't got anything. I don't remember. Maybe she bought me a drink or something while we were out, but I don't remember. 00:55:06 Speaker 2: Getting like a gift. 00:55:07 Speaker 3: No, and the cat was I mean harassing you? 00:55:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it was also like I think I was like visiting is before I lived in La. 00:55:16 Speaker 2: I was visiting La, So I think it was like. 00:55:17 Speaker 4: I'm staying at her place in Exchange and watching her cat. I was being tormented. 00:55:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well I'm thinking. I mean, that's the one gift I can remember forgetting baby sitting some cats was a gift certificate to a record store. That felt good. 00:55:35 Speaker 2: That's nice, But what do he said that the friend likes camping. 00:55:43 Speaker 3: Camping or something and being active and reading. 00:55:47 Speaker 4: Maybe like, hm, I don't really know much about camping. I was gonna say some sort of I mean, like just a gift card to a camping. 00:55:54 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know Australian sporting is good, sporting good sporting goods. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. Then they can go, because I feel like if somebody loves camping, they probably already have the basics, so they you don't want to surprise them with a second tent. So yeah, gift card to a sporting goods store or something like a little accessory like something to cook something in a fire or small sticks to roast marshall sunscreen sunscreen, just a huge vat of sunscreen. I feel like, if you're camping in Australia, the sun is just going to scorch you. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. Maybe just a nice water bottle for hiking, that could be good. 00:56:43 Speaker 4: We're one of those like filter water balls that you can put in a lake and it all filters into drinkable water. 00:56:49 Speaker 3: That's good whether you're camping or just trying to survive the end of the world which is coming. It's here, we're in it. Not a bad idea, And maybe let's buying the things she likes reading. How about a book about camping that sounds exciting. Yeah, you know, give them the classic book The Hatchet. Do you remember The Hatchet? This was the book about a little boy that I read in fourth grade. As plane goes down, then he survives in the wilderness. 00:57:17 Speaker 2: I feel like I remember hearing about it, but I never read it. 00:57:19 Speaker 3: Okay, well, you know, I think it's for fourth graders, so that I think it's. 00:57:23 Speaker 2: For boys too. I feel all the boys read that. 00:57:25 Speaker 3: If you're a fourth grade If this person happens to be a fourth grade boy, I've got the exact gift he but it does sound like he has a lot of wine. So I don't know what's going on in the boy the life of this little Australian. But look, maybe the Hatchet would be a nice piece of reading. I don't know. Or wild Wild there you Go. That's a I feel like that's the adult version of Hatchet. Yeah, and I just read that they got rid of that bus really like, oh no, wait, wild back Wild is the Reese Witherspoon and became a Reese Witherspoon. I'm thinking about some other thing with some jerk who lived in Austo. The wild, Well, there are a lot. Let's find another word for the wilderness other than wild. There's a third book about somebody you know making their way through the wilderness. We've got a into the forest there you go. Wild is a great idea. People like that poo and it's about you know, the hype or something and one really long hike. Yeah, yes, across whatever thing. Okay, Reese Witherspoon, reach out to them, give them the book. It's part of your book club. Let's just do one more question. I have so many because they built up over quarantine. We've got to help some people out. I'll do this quickly, Bridger. I need a gift for my mom. The dilemma is I could never get her exactly what she asks for, and she would decide she hates it once she opens it. Oh God. She dislikes being around other people, such as in restaurants, amusement parks, et cetera. So getting her an experience is not something I build leave she'd like she's into nickknacks, but I don't know if I can bear to buy her one more ceramic cat, dog, elephant, or bird. What do you think? That's from? Vivian in Leyton, Utah? Okay, well, Vivian, first of all, it just sounds like your mom is not super pleasant. I don't know what to talk. She would decide she wouldn't like it once she opens it. Who is this devil? And it sounds like the only thing she likes is knickknacks. I'm just going to say, off the top of my head, give her a handful of buttons. Buttons? Does that kind as a knickknack? I don't know. 00:59:37 Speaker 2: Maybe not. Well. I'm with her on the not wanting to be in public. 00:59:42 Speaker 3: Around that's the one thing this mom is doing right right now. 00:59:46 Speaker 4: Maybe some roller skates. She can have an experience by herself. 00:59:51 Speaker 2: Yes, and doesn't even have anyone else to have fun. You can skate around her neighborhood. 00:59:56 Speaker 3: Oh that's not a bad idea. Look what I got you, Mom. It's not a ceramic dog, it's a whole new hobby. And you're into the you know, the star of the show. And I mean, I feel like opening a gift to a pair of roller skates. Whether you're trying, whether you're trying to make everyone feel bad or not, you're not going to be able to because you're just gonna your heart is going to skip a beat. You're going to see you and imagine yourself show or you'll just be confused. And either way you're not going to be able to be this mean person i'm hearing described in And no offense to your mom, Vivian, but I'm just I'm just going off of the information you've given me in this email. Get her the roller skates. Roller blades, you know, those are a little bit easier to get into. They're not as cool. But maybe mom needs a little more balance or something. I don't know what to say, or a hula hoop, yesop and a good quarantine exercise. You're at home, you're swiveling your hips. I've never been able to keep a hula hoop going more than one round? Can you do a hula hoop? 01:00:59 Speaker 2: I can't. I need to actually also buy some huloos. 01:01:04 Speaker 3: You pull on this podcast to announce that you were launching a circus, stills, hula. 01:01:10 Speaker 4: Hoops, roller skating and I do all the same time. That is what I'm coming out of quarantine with. 01:01:17 Speaker 3: And two cats. 01:01:19 Speaker 2: I'll be juggling two cats. 01:01:21 Speaker 3: The same time. Actually reminds me. I saw the cat Circus once. Nobody go see that. That was a painful experience. 01:01:27 Speaker 2: But well, I didn't know that even exists. 01:01:29 Speaker 3: It's a wild it's an interesting experience. But maybe you maybe you reboot the Cat's Circus. 01:01:36 Speaker 2: I mean maybe I will. I mean just quick comedy. That's my new life. 01:01:42 Speaker 3: Oh well, I feel like we've done a good service. We've helped these people in a way that they could not have possibly imagined. From Australia to Layton. They know how to give a gift. So sure, you've been absolutely delightful. This has been such a this gift is going to save my sanity. I need something to do with my hands. It's not a telephone. I'm going to throw my phone off the balcony and start coloring in this little girl dog. 01:02:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all you need. 01:02:07 Speaker 3: It's so wonderful to see you, and thank you for being part of this deeply intrusive podcast. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. 01:02:18 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me. It's been very fun. 01:02:20 Speaker 3: All right, everybody, thanks for tuning in, and take care of yourselves. Go color a picture, get some stilts, make good use of your time. I love you, and goodbye. I said no gifts isn't exactly right production. It's engineered by Earth Angel Stephen Ray Morris. The theme song is by miracle Worker Amy Mann. You can follow the show on Instagram and Twitter at I said no gifts, and if you have a question or need help getting a gift for someone in your life, email me at I said no Gifts at gmail dot com. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me, and why not leave a review while you're at it. 01:03:00 Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear when you're I guess to my home, you gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guess your own presences presents enough. 01:03:23 Speaker 2: I already had too much stuff. So how did you dare to surbey me?