1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. I'm a mother of three, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: two working parents who love our careers and our families. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Welcome the best of both worlds. This is Laura. 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: In this episode, Sarah is going to be interviewing Sonya 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: Ralston about cargo biking and other such urban adventures. And 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 3: you live in a city with a family and maybe 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: want to have a car light lifestyle. So Sarah, you 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: don't necessarily have a car light lifestyle currently. 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: I do not, and I'm not entirely sure. I love 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: what we talked about, and I actually made me want 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: to move more than anything else, because I'm just not 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: sure it would work as well where I live, partly 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: dispur very unpredictable weather reasons, There'd be so many commutes. 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: When you're like, well, I can't leave because I get 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 2: struck by lightning. But no, it was super eye opening 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: this interview, and I think you're all going to enjoy it. 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: But I thought we could talk about whether we have 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 2: biking playing a role in our current lives or households. 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we own bikes for all of us, and 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: you know, at points in the last few years we 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: have gone on bike rides with all the kids. So 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: Michael and I bike. The older four kids can now 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: bike independently, but for a while we had Alex on 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: what's called a tag along, which is another seat and 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: another wheel that you put on. You kind of take 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: your seat off and hook it on and then put 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: your seat back on, so it's like a three wheel 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: bike with one and you know, they're all in parallel 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: and the kid can pedal too, and it's actually kind 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: of nice because like you're getting a little boost, you know, 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: like a even if they're only boosting your effort by 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: like ten percent, it's more than you would have as 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: opposed to the burley, which is what the little kid 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: would ride in. So it's what Henry would ride in, 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: which is the carrier that goes behind it, you know, 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: and that's obviously dead weight because the kid isn't pedaling anything. 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, so we would go with five older bike, 45 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: five people biking, one tagging along on the back, one 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: in the burley. We make for quite a little possession 47 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: when we do. We have to take two cars when 48 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: we do this because they don't all fit on one car, 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: you know. So it's kind of an ordeal, which is 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: one reason we haven't done it in a while. But 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: maybe we will. Maybe we can convince everyone to do it. 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 3: I think the older kids have started to beg off 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: some of it, that maybe they'd be willing to go 54 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: on their own biking somewhere, so we had to figure 55 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: that one out. Yeah, some sort of biking adventure trip 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: might be appealing. So we also all have bikes. Genevieve 57 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: does not ride by herself yet without training wheels. I'm 58 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 3: like really awaiting that to happen. I think it will 59 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: be soon. 60 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: Just five and a half. We had varying a lot 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: of variants in the ages of the kids learning to 62 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: do this. Cameron was by far the quickest at four. 63 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: He was like, I'm done, I'm fine, see yeah, and 64 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: everyone else is taking their time. But actually Josh and 65 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: Cameron go Mountain biking fairly frequently, like they go on 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: these crazy trails or on the quote unquote belodrome where 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: we live. So there is biking happening, and we have 68 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: definite family fantasies of someday doing some sort of like 69 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: curated biking centric trip, like going to Vermont and like 70 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: staying at like a B and B and then like 71 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 2: doing little biking adventures or something like that. So hey, 72 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: if you have REX for such a such a thing, 73 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: let me know. Biking plays a role in a lot 74 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: of the kids who go to the elementary school right 75 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: near where we live, because there's a terrible car line 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: and yet the bike line is super quick. So in 77 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: the months when the weather's good, there are lots and 78 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: lots of kids that bike to school, and I think 79 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: it's actually much much more efficient for their families, whether 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: the parents go with them with the younger kids, or 81 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: whether it's fourth and fifth graders, you know, just going themselves. 82 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: Pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah, bikes are great. 83 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 4: Say. 84 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: I've taken two longer bike trips. One was a trip 85 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: through the Laire Valley in France, where we would bike 86 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: between wineries and castles and other such things. It was 87 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: with one of Arii's subcontractors or whatever. Of course, I 88 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: realized once I did that that ARII was contracting with 89 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: local bike tour companies, and so you could just try 90 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: to find local bike tour companies. And so when Michael 91 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: and I went to Vietnam in the fall of two 92 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: thousand and five, I want to say, we did a 93 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: bike trip through there and saw a lot of villages 94 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: and cool things like that, and just hired a local 95 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: company to take us around and they did the same 96 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: trip that any of the big tour operators would have done, 97 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 3: and at a much more affordable rate. So you know, 98 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 3: give that tip to look into for people who are 99 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: considering it. Google lets you find anything these days totally cool. 100 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: Well, Sonya is going to really teach us some of 101 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: the practical ins and outs of how you might meet 102 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: biking kind of a more central part of your family's 103 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: everyday lifestyle. So I think this will be a really 104 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: useful conversation for a lot of us. All Right, I 105 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: am here with Sonya Ralston, who is an attorney based 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 2: in DC, and she sent an email that both Laura 107 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: and I like instantly wrote each other. We get a 108 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: few pitches, but this one we were both really really 109 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: excited about. And interestingly, Sonia suggested we talked to an expert, 110 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: and we were both at the exact same reaction, which 111 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: is like, no, we want to talk to her because 112 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: her story of how she got into biking with her family, 113 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: I think is going to be as informative or more 114 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: informative than hearing some biking expert talk about it in theory. 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: So I will stop talking now, and Sonya, can you 116 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: go ahead and introduce yourself? 117 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 4: Hi, Sarah, Yeah, I'm Sonya Ralston. I'm an attorney for 118 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 4: the federal government. I live on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, 119 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: and I have two kids who are almost six and 120 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 4: three and a half. 121 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: Excellent, And so this story begins. Actually we have something 122 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: in common. We both spent time at Duke. But you 123 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: said that you did not have biking as much of 124 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: a part of your life when you were there. When 125 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: did you first get into biking to begin with? 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 4: So, when I was a kid, I actually biked everywhere. 127 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 4: I biked five miles to high school every day and back, 128 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 4: which was great exercise, And then not so much when 129 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: I was in college and law school. But then when 130 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: I moved to DC, we had just gotten the bike share, 131 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: and I started biking to work pretty regularly because it 132 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: was just more convenient than the bus from where I lived. 133 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: And I did that. We moved and it was so convenient. 134 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: I did that off and on for you know, five 135 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: or six years, and then when I got pregnant, I 136 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 4: had to stop, and so I had this like hiatus 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: of being pregnant, having a baby, and then we just 138 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: didn't bike very much. And then in the pandemic, you know, 139 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 4: I had my child turned one, and we really wanted 140 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: to like go out more. You had one of those 141 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: trailers that you pull behind a bike, and we would 142 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: use that and it worked pretty well. But we don't 143 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: have a garage. We live in a row house, and 144 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: so it was like a pain to You have to 145 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: like collapse it down and then kind of stow it somewhere, 146 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: and so it's like a whole five minute up and 147 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 4: down each time you want to use it, which with 148 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: little kids like they by the time you got it up, 149 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 4: they were like halfway down the street. And so a 150 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: colleague of mine was commuting to work and dropping her 151 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: kids at school on a cargo bike, and I was 152 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: really intrigued and I talked to her about it and 153 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: did a lot of research and then we bought one. 154 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: And so that was in August of twenty twenty one, 155 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 4: when we were really facing the like having to get 156 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 4: our older daughter to school. She started pre k at 157 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 4: the public school. It's about a mile from our house, 158 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: which is a little too far to walk, like a 159 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: and the like the one way streets, and the traffic 160 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: was really bad, so it didn't make sense to drive, 161 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: and there's no bus route, and she couldn't ride a 162 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: bike by herself at that time, so we decided to 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: go with the cargo bike. 164 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: All right, I have so many questions before I let 165 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: you keep going. My first question is, when you said 166 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: bike shared, do you mean like a city bike type 167 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: of a situation? 168 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 4: Yes, okay, so they call it Capitol bike share here, 169 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: got it? 170 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So well bike you can borrow and then put 171 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: back and you pay for it as you go. My 172 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: second question is because I actually don't know the rules 173 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: on this, because I never had to ask, who didn't 174 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: fly to me, what are the rules around or the 175 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: suggestions around biking and pregnancy. 176 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: Do you know? Yeah, it's just that you're not bike 177 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: when you're pregnant biking in the same category with skiing 178 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: and other things where you might essentially fall and sustain 179 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: and impact injury. It's probably overly cautious, but I don't know. 180 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: No, I get it. I wouldn't ski when I was 181 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: well pregnant, I mean personally, and I did run while pregnant, 182 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: and I did fall while running while pregnant, and still 183 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: ran with subsequent pregnancies. But it is probably overall a 184 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: much lower risk activity compared to biking, which still isn't 185 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: high risk, but just the chances of taking like what 186 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: would be a mild tumble that was being more catastrophic. Okay, 187 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: I get it. I was just curious whether there were 188 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: like official recommendations as to like which trimesters, et cetera. 189 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: So basically, if you can avoid it, don't do much 190 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 2: biking while pregnant. 191 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: Okay. 192 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: And then my third extremely ignorant question is, and this 193 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: is for the listeners as well, what exactly is a 194 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: cargo bike? 195 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked. So a cargo bike is 196 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 4: like a regular bike, but bigger, and there are kind 197 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 4: of two main types. There's a kind of European style 198 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: that has a basket in the front that is either 199 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: still a two wheel or sometimes a three wheel bike 200 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: with like two wheels in the front and one in 201 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: the back, and that's called a box bike. And then 202 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: there's a midtail or long tail bike, which is what 203 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: we have, where the back part of the bike is 204 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 4: just longer, so the wheelbase between the two wheels is 205 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: longer than on a traditional bike, and that space is 206 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: then taken up with you have a longer chain, a 207 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: longer distance between the pedals and the beer wheel, and 208 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: there's a big space at the back where you put 209 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: like a rack and then some you know, various accessories 210 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 4: that you can put on it. And the difference between 211 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 4: a midtail and a long tail is just how much 212 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: longer it is. 213 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: Got it okay? And logistically with the cargo bike, where 214 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: and how exactly did the kids go? 215 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 4: So the kids go on the back. If you have 216 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: a box bike, they go in the box, but we 217 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 4: have the long tail and so they go on the back. 218 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 4: We have a rack on the top of the metal 219 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 4: and then it has padded seats on it, and then 220 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 4: there are little like bars that come out at the bottom, 221 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 4: little like footrest paths, and then there's a cage Essentially 222 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 4: they call it ours is called a hootie on some 223 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 4: they call it monkey bars, But it's essentially a metal 224 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 4: handrail box that goes around the kids so that they 225 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: don't fall out fall off. 226 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: Oh okay, that makes sense. So they're like riding almost 227 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: like a little carriage or something like that. 228 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like riding in a like amusement 229 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: park ride, totally hands and arms inside the box. 230 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 2: Do they enjoy it, like, do they have fun in it? 231 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 4: Or? 232 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: I mean the novelty probably has worn off at this point. 233 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: I think they enjoy it. I think they So, they 234 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: certainly enjoy it a lot more than the trailer. They 235 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: didn't like being in the trailer because it's low to 236 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: the ground you can't really see anything, and in the 237 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 4: on the cargo bike, they can see everything. It's like 238 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: being out in the world, and so they really enjoy that. 239 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: My son right now is really into vocal swagon beetles, 240 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 4: and so every time we see what mom a bug 241 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: and he's just like so excited about it. But like 242 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: that's something that you couldn't do in the trailer. Also, 243 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: it we'd be too far away and I couldn't hear him, 244 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: so it works out really well, so. 245 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: You can actually hear them, they can talk back to 246 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: you while you're Oh, that's really cool. How do you 247 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: feel about the safety do you feel and is there 248 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: data on that. I'm sure you've probably looked at this. 249 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know that there's specific data on 250 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 4: cargo bikes versus like biking in general. But where we 251 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 4: live in DC is one of the top five cities 252 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 4: in the US for bike safety. We have a lot 253 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: of bike infrastructure and more every day, and I think 254 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: it's one of the great things about getting more families 255 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: involved in biking is that the more people who are 256 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 4: bike riders, the more bike infrastructure there gets to be 257 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 4: because the more of us and we have a lot 258 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: of protected bike lanes here where the lanes are set 259 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 4: off from the traffic by stanchions, pillars, or sometimes even 260 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: between the curve and the parking lane, which is really 261 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 4: quite safe, and so that's really nice. On the kind 262 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 4: of bike that we have, it rides just like a 263 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 4: regular bike, so it doesn't take any getting used to 264 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: the one we have. We chose because it has a 265 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 4: smaller rear wheel and so the center of gravity is 266 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: a little lower, which makes it when the kids kind 267 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 4: of wiggle around, you're not falling over, so it's a 268 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 4: little more stable. I think it is as safe as 269 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 4: riding on a regular bike, and that depends obviously on 270 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 4: your comfort zone. But here in DC, at least I 271 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 4: feel really safe about it because we do have such 272 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 4: good infrastructure. 273 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: I could see that. And in terms of like safety equipment, 274 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: obviously you're wearing a helmet as a rider. Are the 275 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: kids generally helmeted up to Yes, you're not it. 276 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we all wear helmets and we have that's 277 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: pretty lights. We have lights on the bike, so the 278 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 4: helmets and the lights, it's kind of our safety equipment 279 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: and a bell. But otherwise we have kind of weather equipment, 280 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 4: so we kind of invest it in some more warm 281 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: weather athletic where the same kind of things you would 282 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: wear to go running in the winter, we have to 283 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: ride on the bike in the winter. So we also 284 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 4: have some like toasty gloves that keep your hands both 285 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 4: flexible and warm, which is nice, and then some lightweight 286 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: rain gear. You know, we don't bike when it's pouring, 287 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: but if it's just a drizzle, we'll still go. 288 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: That way makes sense. And then so tell me take 289 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: me on a journey because I'm also curious, like, yeah, 290 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: like tell me how it is getting out the door. 291 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: And then also when you get to your destination, how 292 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: do you store your bike? Lock it safely, et cetera. 293 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: So take me on a bike ride. 294 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 4: We do this every morning. We out the door just 295 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: as you would if you were growing in a car, 296 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 4: except the kids put on their helmets and we go 297 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: to the bike. We seat on the back has like 298 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: a front and a back, and the kids both prefer 299 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 4: to sit in the front, so we alternate days about 300 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 4: whose day it is to sit in the front, and 301 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 4: they just hop on. They can at this point both 302 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: climb on themselves, so sometimes they like a little rocket ship, 303 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 4: you know, and then we ride. Our bike now has 304 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: an electric motor on it. It didn't when we bought it, 305 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 4: but I converted it to have an electric e assist, 306 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: which our commute home from downtown goes up Capitol Hill, 307 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: which is kind of steep, but that makes it a 308 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 4: lot easier to kind of like stay with the flow 309 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: of traffic and the small places where we have to 310 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: be on the road, and also to arrive at work, 311 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: like not sweaty when it's ninety degrees. But then we just, 312 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: you know, we set off. It's eight minutes from our 313 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: house to the school. You know, we just kickstand the 314 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 4: bike in front of the school and hop the older 315 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: one off and in she goes. We attached the helmets 316 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: onto the cage in the back so they don't have 317 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 4: to carry them around all day. And then it's down 318 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 4: Capitol Hill to the daycare, which is another up twelve 319 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: or fifteen minutes. Lock it up to a street post 320 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: outside the daycare and drop off the little one and 321 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 4: then ride over to our office, which is essentially one 322 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 4: block away from the daycare. Our office building has a 323 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: parking garage in the basement that is only you can 324 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: only park your car there if you are a very fancy, 325 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: high up person in our department. But you can park 326 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: your bike there no matter who you are. And so 327 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 4: there's some bike racks and we just park there. One 328 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: thing about cargo bikes is they're a little bit bigger. 329 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: I mean, they're definitely bigger, and they're also wider with 330 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 4: the cages than a traditional bike. So I actually don't 331 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 4: park in the bike rack proper. I just park it 332 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: next to the rack and lock the wheel. I figure 333 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: if we have people stealing things out of our government garage. 334 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: We have bigger problems. 335 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: Out of a corporate garage with fancy people. You're like, okay, 336 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: you must have needed it that bad. I get it. Okay, 337 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: that's funny. So tell me more about the e assist feature. 338 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: How easy is it to like add on to an 339 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: existing bike, and like how easy does it make your ride? Like, 340 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: are you like zero effort? Can you like decide to 341 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: turn it off if you want exercise? Tell me more 342 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: about the eocist. 343 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's different kinds. I think if you're looking 344 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: to buy a new cargo bike, most of the options 345 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 4: you'll find are ecist in one way or the another. 346 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 4: Because most cargo bikes are really heavy. They're usually about 347 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: seventy pounds, which is more than twice a regular bike. 348 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: There are some lighter weight ones. We just got a 349 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 4: second non eesist one that's really light that doesn't need that. 350 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 4: But I will say it was not the easiest thing 351 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 4: I have ever done. But YouTube videos are amazing and 352 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 4: you can find one to instruct you on how to 353 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: do anything. And so it was a couple of specialized 354 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: tools to take apart the bottom bracket of the bike, 355 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: which is the axle that holds the pedals together and 356 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: from there it just kind of clips in. And the 357 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 4: one we have is a pure assist, whereas there are 358 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 4: some others that have like a throttle which is more 359 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: like a motorcycle that you can kind of rev it 360 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 4: up even if you're not pedaling. Ours only amplifies your 361 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: pedal and so it rides very smoothly. It rides just 362 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: like a regular bike. You just go faster for the 363 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 4: amount of effort you're putting in. 364 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: Awesome, and you. 365 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: Can turn it off. You can turn it. It has like 366 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 4: nine levels. You can turn it all the way up. 367 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever beenen with it all the 368 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 4: way up, but I usually have it at like level two. 369 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 4: But you can turn it all the way off if 370 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 4: you want to, like really power it through. It adds 371 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 4: between the battery and the motor about ten pounds to 372 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 4: the bike. So between the seventy pounds that it started 373 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 4: with and then plus two kids, you know, you're up 374 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: to several hundred pounds of stuff that. 375 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: You're moving around, So by that point you need the system. 376 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 4: It helps. 377 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh that's so cool. I want to 378 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: ask about cost. How expensive I think I've read that 379 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: these are fairly expensive, obviously not car level, but give 380 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: us some numbers. 381 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think you hit on it that whether 382 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 4: it's expensive, y're cheap depends on what you're comparing it to. 383 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 4: And if you think of it as a replacement for 384 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 4: a second car, it's super cheap. A new bike will 385 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 4: run about two thousand dollars to like five thousand dollars 386 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 4: maybe a little more when you get the accessory package, 387 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 4: depending on how fancy a brand you go with. We've 388 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 4: got two now that we're both less than one thousand 389 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: dollars used. There are most places, including here, and I 390 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 4: think a lot of other is have a family Biking 391 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: Facebook group, which is a great way to find a 392 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: bike and find people who are also into this. People 393 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 4: are really excited about it, and so there's no problem 394 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: getting somebody to like let you test to ride their 395 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: bike if you're trying to figure out which kind is 396 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 4: right for you. People are very generous, so that works out. 397 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: Well, Oh that's awesome. What about the EIS Does that 398 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: add additional cost? 399 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 4: Yeah? So, I think it for the places where you 400 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 4: can buy a new one optional, theis is about one 401 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 4: thousand dollars more. When we edited it ourselves, it was 402 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 4: about seven hundred dollars to get what we wanted. I 403 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 4: will say that all in I think the bike, the esis, 404 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: the gear, the accessories that even we got new helmets, 405 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 4: like less than we would pay for a year of 406 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: parking in downtown. 407 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: Wow, oh my god. All of a sudden, I'm like 408 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: parking what? And then I realized, yes, people who live 409 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: in cities have to pay for parking, right. Obviously I don't, 410 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: so I don't think about that. But yes, that's a 411 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: huge expense. I thought you were going to say gas 412 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: or car payments or something like that. So I mean 413 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: it could be a huge savings. 414 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean on an ongoing basis, it's certainly less 415 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 4: than that too. And we have a car that we 416 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 4: drive when we go further places. But when we're going 417 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 4: anywhere in like in the city, we ride the bike. Mostly. 418 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: We ride to the ballpark. We like to go to 419 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 4: baseball games. We ride. There are like two dozen playgrounds 420 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: within a ten minute bike ride of our house, which 421 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: our kids really love. We ride to the Smithsonian, we 422 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 4: ride to the library. We ride. It's a swimming pool. 423 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 4: We can go lots of places. 424 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 2: Have you ever ended up like stranded somewhere because there 425 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: was like a lightning storm and you didn't want to 426 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: ride back? 427 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 4: No, there was one time when we were riding home 428 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 4: and the chain on the bike broke at the bottom 429 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 4: of Capitol Hill, of course, at the bottom, right, of. 430 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: Course, at the bottom. Oh my goodness, how did you 431 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: handle it? 432 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 4: Well, we just got off and walked. I mean, it's 433 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 4: kind of like a broken escalator, right, it still works. 434 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 4: So my son rode on the back and I walked 435 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: to the bike up the hill and it was a 436 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: little slow, but we made it. And then I learned 437 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: how to fix a bike chain on YouTube. 438 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: Have you become pretty good at other parts of upkeep 439 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: and maintenance? 440 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 4: I think so. 441 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 2: We certainly. 442 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: We still have it serviced about once a year just 443 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: to make sure everything's tip top, But the general maintenance 444 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 4: is really easy. Just some chain move and checked the 445 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 4: tires like once a month, and otherwise I have replaced 446 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 4: the chain and we've added the lights, but it's none 447 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: of it's super complicated. 448 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: One last Verde bike centric question, which is have you 449 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: ever taken the bikes on vacation? 450 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 4: We have, so we are actually going on vacation next 451 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 4: week to the Outer Banks, North Carolina, and we take 452 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 4: our bikes to go from our beach house to the beach, 453 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 4: which is about three quarters of a mile, so you 454 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: could walk it. It's not unwalkable, but with our kids, 455 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 4: you know, the first year we went, we pulled them 456 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: in a wagon and that got really tiresome. So now 457 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 4: with the bikes, we just kind of load up and 458 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 4: two minutes later we're there and we kind of locked 459 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: the bikes together the boardwalk. And has it been a 460 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 4: problem that. One thing I would say about that is 461 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: that if you want to take the bike with you, 462 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 4: the full like heavy cargo bikes are too heavy to 463 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 4: carry on a rear mounted rack. If you have like 464 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 4: a toe hitch rack, they can ride on that. But 465 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 4: on the kind that just like clips onto the rear 466 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 4: trunk of your car, they're too heavy for that. 467 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: Wow. So you have the other kind, the toe hitch okay. 468 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 4: And we have we have a lighter bike. Oh okay, 469 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: that can go on the thing. 470 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: Got it? So you brought your lander bikes on the trip. 471 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's what we did this year. Last year 472 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: we brought the We still have the pulp behind trailer. 473 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 4: So last year we bought the trailer. 474 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: Wow, So there is like I feel like the intimidating 475 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: part to me isn't the actual riding, although that's probably 476 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: a learning curve in and of itself. But it's like 477 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: it's like the gear, but at the same time, once 478 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: you start doing it, it's like you're just adding on 479 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: and you get used to it and it's doable, and 480 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: it sounds like it's been a source of like joy 481 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: as well as convenience for you guys. 482 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: It's great. I mean, you get outside, you get exercise, 483 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: fresh air, you can go anywhere, no traffic, no parking, 484 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 4: no waiting in the carpool line, you just zip right 485 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 4: up to the front and you're good. 486 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing. All right, Well, we're going to include 487 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: our always listener favorite regular People segment Day in the Life. 488 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 2: So take us through a little bit with a day 489 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: in the life looks like in your household, and you 490 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: can include any related bike type stuff because I know 491 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: that does fit into your everyday life. 492 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 4: It is. So on a typical school day, we are up, 493 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 4: our kids get up at actually I have no idea 494 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 4: what time because they very mercifully stay in their brooms 495 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 4: until seven thirty, at which time I come get them ready. 496 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: My husband makes breakfast. We eat about eight o'clock and 497 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: then sometimes it's a bit more playtime, and otherwise we're 498 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 4: kind of getting ready with our shoes and sun's green 499 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: and everything to get out the door. We leave at 500 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: eight thirty five for bike ride, usually at the office 501 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 4: at about nine, and then work until five fifteen, do 502 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 4: it backwards and pick them up before after care closes 503 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 4: at six. My husband usually makes dinner, so he has 504 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 4: that on the table when we get home. We eat 505 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 4: about six, and then the kids play for yeah, twenty 506 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: minutes or so, and we start our bedtime. Our daughter. 507 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 4: We stagger it, so the little one goes to bed 508 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 4: about seven fifteen and our daughter is like out at eight, 509 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 4: and then we go to bed pretty earlyly. 510 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: I hear you. I'm with you. 511 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not real complicated, but it works for us. 512 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: It sounds lovely, and I love that the bikes are 513 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: just now like taken for granted. It's just like part 514 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 2: of your normal routine. Well, thank you so much for 515 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: coming on and teaching everybody about cargo bikes and e 516 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 2: asis bikes and how we can work bikes into our 517 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: urban lifestyle to make things not only more cost effective 518 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 2: and environmentally friendly, but perhaps easier and fun too. So 519 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: I really loved learning about this, and I'm trying to 520 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: figure out how well we have bikes, but we need 521 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 2: to use them more more as transportation and not just 522 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: as recreation. So I'm inspired by this episode. Thank you 523 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: so much for coming on. Sonya Hi, pleasure. 524 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 4: I have a love. 525 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 2: Yes, I was just going to say, except I forgot 526 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: to ask you for love of the week. So what 527 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: is your love of the week. 528 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: My love of the week is silicone scar gel tape. 529 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: What tell me about this? 530 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 4: So our daughter recently had a crafting accident with some 531 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 4: sisters and had to get stitches. But now that she 532 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 4: dishes are out healing that she has a scar, and 533 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 4: so we have these. It's like kind of like a bandage, 534 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: but you can reuse it. It's sticky on the one 535 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: side and it's silicone, and so it goes over the 536 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 4: scar and it helps the scar heal and recede and 537 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: not be so visible. I learned about it a couple 538 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: of years ago when I had a scuba diving accident. 539 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: Wow, I did not know about this stuff. That is 540 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: good to know. 541 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 4: Hopefully well how prosive that she doesn't have a long 542 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 4: term scar, but. 543 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: That is awesome. I feel like I need to get this, 544 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: like you need to order it ahead of time. You 545 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: don't want to be rushing up to get it like 546 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: the injury. So part of me just wants to go 547 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 2: straight and get some I will go with a similarly 548 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: medical love of the week. I'm glad that they waxed 549 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: that the orthodonists gave out in the nineties is still 550 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 2: going strong. Like it's just both got braces and I've 551 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: all got her second round of braces. Can't forgot his 552 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: first round of braces. And I was like, oh, it's 553 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: wax and one of my kids was already needing to 554 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: use it. 555 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 4: Because those things heard and yeah, I remember those days. 556 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, not a lot seems to have changed, but they'll 557 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: get through it. Although I feel like the kids wear 558 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: braces for a lot less time. They sometimes have to 559 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: do multiple rounds, but kids are not like generally embraces 560 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: for years and years as they were when I was 561 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: growing up, So I guess they've made some improvements. That's great, awesome, Well, 562 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for reminding me about the love 563 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: of the week. I actually had thought about it just 564 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: as you were saying it, but he could not leave 565 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: that out. Sonya, thank you so much for coming on. 566 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: And I hope that if listeners have questions they can 567 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: write them into show notes and maybe Sonya will make 568 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: an appearance and answer them. Thank you really appreciate it 569 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: all right, stay on, well. 570 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 4: We are back. 571 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: That was awesome learning all about urban living and biking 572 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: and how the carl like lifestyle might actually work when 573 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: you have kids. That you don't necessarily have to move 574 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: to the suburbs and buy a car if you don't 575 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: want to, but that you can make it work on 576 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: maybe one car, or only having a car part of 577 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: the time, if you make use of other things like 578 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 3: bikes to transport your kids around. So very cool things 579 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 3: to consider there. So today's question comes from a listener 580 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: who is trying to figure out how to get her 581 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: four year old to take medicine. And this child needs 582 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: to take let's say it's antibiotics twice a day or something. 583 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 3: And generally, you know, you want to be positive and 584 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: praise what works and not what doesn't. But if the 585 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: kid literally does need to take their medicine, twice a day. 586 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: This is, you know, something you have to deal with, 587 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: So how do you get young children to take medicine? 588 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: So, Sarah, what do you have for us? So we 589 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: have run into this in the past with various antibiotic 590 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: concoctions that maybe didn't taste with the kid wanted them 591 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: to taste like. And our biggest winning strategy has actually 592 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: been the ice cream chaser. So basically we do tend 593 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: to explain to the kid exactly what the medicine is for. 594 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: Obviously that's not going to work in an eighteen month old, 595 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: but I believe this person's child is like almost four, 596 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: and so they might understand, like, explain what an infection is. 597 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 2: Explain how you know, if an infection doesn't get the 598 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: treatment it needs, then they can get sicker and need 599 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: worse tasting medicine. You know, make it. Tell whatever version 600 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: you want to tell, but to really explain why this 601 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: is important and why it's not just for fun or 602 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: you're not being mean for no reason. But the ice 603 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: cream chaser has been great, like literally having to pick 604 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: out whatever kind of ice cream and then once they've taken, 605 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: have a spoon of it ready because the thought is 606 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: like they don't like the taste in their mouth, But 607 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: if they know as soon as they've swallowed it, they 608 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: can then put like the most delicious flavor, their favorite 609 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: flavor of ice cream in their mouth right afterwards. For us, 610 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: that has worked pretty well. And then finally, like there 611 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: are sometimes depending on which pharmacy you're getting at, whether 612 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: it's pre mix versus something they have to make, sometimes 613 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: there's actually different flavorings they can use, and that can 614 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: make a difference with some kids. So, particularly if it's 615 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: a compounding pharmacy, you might say, you know, I know 616 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: the standard is like the pink stuff, but is there 617 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: other flavor options? And definitely if you're able to, maybe 618 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: have to make a few, make it in a few 619 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: batches with different flavors and see which one your kid 620 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: will tolerate. 621 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say the the amoxiscillin wasn't 622 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: so bad. The augmentum was much worse. So you know, 623 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: not that you want to threaten your kid with that, 624 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: but if they have to go to the next level 625 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: of antibiotics for the resistant infection, you're you're not. 626 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: Going to be happier. I'll put that out there sometimes there, 627 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 2: and this is this is a little bit dire, but 628 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: like sometimes there is an injectable alternative, like I mean 629 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: this is specific for like treating your infections and strep throat, 630 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: but there are some im injections that sometimes can sub 631 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: for a whole round of oral And I've had some 632 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: parents actually tell me they prefer that like thirty seconds 633 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: of pain to you know, two weeks of like battles. 634 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: So ask your provider if it really comes to that 635 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: and you truly can't do it or it is causing 636 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: hour long battles, find out if there also might be 637 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: a quick and somewhat painful but very time limited option. 638 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, essentially, because then you have the kids who 639 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: need to learn to swallow pills, which is also challenging. 640 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: You know obvious say very little kids can't really do it. 641 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: But I've had people talk about, you know, teaching their 642 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: kids with like tic TACs right that you know, you 643 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 3: have a big bunch of tick tacks, and like say, 644 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: can you get it down without chewing it? 645 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: Can you get it? 646 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 3: I'm able to sit here with water and just keep 647 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: trying to learn that skill. I don't remember when I 648 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 3: learned to swallow. Yeah, it was you know when you 649 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: start having headaches or something as a teenager, and they 650 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: have to learn to take various things. 651 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: It's a skill. Taking medicine as a life skill. Yeah, 652 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: it's kind of a survival skill too, so important to 653 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: learn at some point. 654 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: Important to learn at some point. But yeah, the spoonful 655 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 3: of sugar may and help help the medicine go down. 656 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 3: So I like the ice cream idea. 657 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 4: Well. 658 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: This has been best of both worlds. Sarah was interviewing 659 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: Sonia Ralston about the car light lifestyle in the city. 660 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: We will be back next week with more on making 661 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 3: work and life fit together. 662 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 663 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 664 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: and you. 665 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 666 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. 667 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: Please join us next time for more on making work 668 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: and life work together.