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Speaker 1: It was the night before their wedding.

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Speaker 2: This is Tobin.

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Speaker 1: And so we got there and mary Anne is in

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Speaker 1: the kitchen, kneeling down with her head in the oven

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Speaker 1: and her hair all rolled up in minute made orange

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Speaker 1: juice cans that she had been saving. Her whole head

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Speaker 1: was wrapped up in these orange juice cans and she

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Speaker 1: was trying.

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Speaker 3: To dry her here and Sarah and I go to

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Speaker 3: the fabric store down in Chinatown.

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Speaker 2: Mary Anne hughes my mother.

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Speaker 3: We buy twenty five dollars worth of Irish linen and

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Speaker 3: some lace that went like square neck, little empire waist

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Speaker 3: came out and then there was a ruffle down the

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Speaker 3: bottom and lace around the sleeves and some lining and

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Speaker 3: it was beautiful. It was beautiful. It was so simple,

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Speaker 3: It was so beautiful. It was twenty five dollars.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Tosi was one of the bride'smaids.

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Speaker 3: Sarah but tablecloths and made their gowns out of the table.

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Speaker 4: But they looked right.

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Speaker 2: When Sarah came home with the tablecloths, she called mary Anne.

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Speaker 3: To say, look, I don't think the its maids are

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Speaker 3: going to outshine the breath.

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Speaker 2: After Patrick made his announcement at the Paula Center. There

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Speaker 2: were a lot of fireworks.

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Speaker 5: Patrick announced it he was going to get married Christine Truffant,

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Speaker 5: one of the ogs of the Paula Center and my godmother.

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Speaker 5: I think if probably there was a challenge in community.

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Speaker 2: Emotional meetings were held outside the Paulist Center.

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Speaker 5: We had a meeting. There was so much he generated

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Speaker 5: by the discussion too, that it was clear that people

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Speaker 5: were there that were not happy with this change, and

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Speaker 5: that they weren't going to go along with it, and

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Speaker 5: that there would be some kind of schism.

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Speaker 2: The community Patrick had built began to split apart between

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Speaker 2: people who wanted him to be a married priest and

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Speaker 2: people who just couldn't hang with that level of radicalism.

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Speaker 6: But the community saw itself.

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Speaker 2: As the church Patrick sister, my aunt Joann, and.

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Speaker 6: So they felt that they had the power to call

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Speaker 6: on him to be the priest. That's what makes liberation

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Speaker 6: theology so threatening, I think, is the people get to

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Speaker 6: call on the leaders, do you know. I mean, that's

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Speaker 6: the evolution of it where you say that the leader

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Speaker 6: is organic, grows out of the community and is chosen

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Speaker 6: by the community, not from you know, the hierarchy.

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Speaker 2: But they knew this would mean leaving the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 5: But everyone probably knew. I think certainly I knew if

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Speaker 5: we presented that we wanted a married priest and that

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Speaker 5: we were willing to kind of go with that, that

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Speaker 5: no hierarchy was ever going to go with that. At

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Speaker 5: that time was kind of time that you think, well,

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Speaker 5: things are never going to be quite the same anymore,

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Speaker 5: and they weren't.

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Speaker 2: Soon. Half the group that decided to leave with Patrick

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Speaker 2: named itself the People of Hope, and they moved across

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Speaker 7: So that then they agreed that.

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Speaker 2: We would move Floyd McManus.

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Speaker 7: They would move with Pat to Charles Street.

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Speaker 2: Antobin had been so embroiled in the turmoil surrounding the

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Speaker 2: Paula Center community she was basically done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't go with either group. I kind of

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Speaker 1: had had it.

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Speaker 2: So Patrick and the People of Hope walked out of

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Speaker 2: the red double doors on Park Street, leaving everything they

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Speaker 2: had built behind. But he still had a two thousand

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Speaker 2: year old religious organization to contend with.

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Speaker 6: He tried to get leaoisized because he wanted to get

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Speaker 6: married in the church and he couldn't get married as

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Speaker 6: a priest but the archbishop refused to lasize him. So

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Speaker 6: therefore Patrick never got leaosized. He was still a priest,

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Speaker 6: and so therefore that became an issue with getting married,

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Speaker 6: because then if anyone married them, then they would be

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Speaker 6: in heresy or something.

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Speaker 2: The archbishop told him that anyone who performed the ceremony

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Speaker 2: would be summarily excommunicated, so he had to get a

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Speaker 2: little creative.

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Speaker 3: The wedding was pot luck. Again.

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Speaker 1: Let me remind you of the nobody, all the fabulous food.

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Speaker 1: Everybody brought everything. A few things were laced with a

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Speaker 1: little bit of magic oregano.

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Speaker 2: Patrick and Marianne invited everyone from both communities, unsure of

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Speaker 2: how many would show.

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Speaker 8: I remember parts of the wedding.

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Speaker 2: This is Chrissy or Kristen Hughes, my sister.

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Speaker 8: I remember being completely overwhelmed with how many people were there.

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Speaker 3: I remember walking into the church with people carrying wedding cakes,

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Speaker 3: wine and cases of beer and big hams. I mean

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Speaker 3: they estimated maybe seven or eight hundred people there, because

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Speaker 3: the whole community showed up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Directing everyone from both sides of the Great Schism came

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Speaker 2: to celebrate Patrick and Mary Anne.

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Speaker 3: Was the first time I met his parents was at

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Speaker 3: the wedding, and you can imagine. I mean, they were

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Speaker 3: already in their seventies. He was the golden haired boy.

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Speaker 3: He was the youngest son of seven children of Irish

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Speaker 3: parents who go in the priesthood, and he's getting married.

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Speaker 3: They were such I don't know, they were so incredible

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Speaker 3: to be able to embrace it the way they did.

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Speaker 3: I remember walking down the aisle and they were to

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Speaker 3: my right, and I remember catching their eye and just

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Speaker 3: giving them the biggest smile.

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Speaker 2: Marianne's own family boycott at the wedding. Her father, her brother,

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Speaker 2: her wicked stepmother. None of them could bear witnessing her

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Speaker 2: marry a priest. It was just too much for them.

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Speaker 3: And during the kiss of peace, Patrick's father came up

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Speaker 3: to me and said, meet your new grandpa. And that

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Speaker 3: was the relationship that he and I had, like for

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Speaker 3: the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 2: Patrick made the ceremony his ultimate multimedia extravaganza, and it

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Speaker 2: was just an act.

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Speaker 3: It was our act of creation. It was our active celebration.

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Speaker 3: Putting that together. The music was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Then he kicked things off, let's see.

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Speaker 9: Hello and welcome to the wedding celebration. My name is Patrick.

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Speaker 3: Hughes and.

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Speaker 9: We're very very happy that you hear. And as usual,

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Speaker 9: there's a little bit of confusion because it's kind of

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Speaker 9: multimedia thing and Floyd isn't around, you know, to keep

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Speaker 9: us pushing, but he's here tonight. But the big thing

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Speaker 9: is that, you know, we want it to just kind

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Speaker 9: of relax and enjoy ourselves and.

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Speaker 10: You can.

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Speaker 9: We're going to do a little slide show which well

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Speaker 9: you'll see what it's like when you see it. All right,

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Speaker 9: Well we're going to start now, so just relax and see.

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Speaker 4: Would someone please say that to me?

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Speaker 3: The entrance song was Here Comes the Sun, and Patrick

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Speaker 3: and I put together this slide show. It was us

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Speaker 3: from birth until we met, and it was two pictures

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Speaker 3: of us growing up side by side. I think the

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Speaker 3: last slide of that song was Patrick in a cassock

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Speaker 3: at the seminary and me holding a brand new baby Kristen.

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Speaker 3: Those were side by side and everybody cracked up laughing.

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Speaker 2: This would clearly be no ordinary wedding.

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Speaker 3: And then the next the next song was in My

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Speaker 3: Life by the Beatles, and I cannot hear that song

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Speaker 3: and not cry ever. And that song then was when

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Speaker 3: we met. And then those photographs were all of him

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Speaker 3: and me and Kristen and Joe and friends from the

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Speaker 3: Paul Center community.

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Speaker 2: When the slide show ended, it was Chrissie's cue as flower.

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Speaker 8: Girl, and I remember being at the end of the

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Speaker 8: aisle and my one job as a flower girl was

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Speaker 8: to bring the flowers up, and I just dropped him

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Speaker 8: and ran because I think I was supposed to go

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Speaker 8: think I just ran to him, like I just was like,

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Speaker 8: this is insane, Like if this is so many people,

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Speaker 8: it was overwhelming to me to see how many people

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Speaker 8: had come to be there for them. I don't think

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Speaker 8: I understood until that moment what a big deal it

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Speaker 1: So Chrissy was very scared and nervous and she wouldn't

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Speaker 3: And you can hear Joe. You can hear him on

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Speaker 3: the tape of the wedding.

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Speaker 5: Same Mommy, there's.

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Speaker 3: A great picture of Patrick kneeling down waiting for Joe

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Speaker 2: It was so great.

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Speaker 3: And then Patrick came back up the aisle to get me,

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Speaker 3: and then he and I walked down together.

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Speaker 2: Their friend Michael Hunt gave the homily.

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Speaker 11: Even on this night of unimaginable war, when our planes

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Speaker 11: destroy Asian brothers and sisters, Mary Anne and Patrick have

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Speaker 11: the courage, maybe the foolish courage, to tell us that

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Speaker 11: their love for each other extends to all of us

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Speaker 11: and beyond.

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Speaker 3: And in the middle of mike Hans homily, someone had

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Speaker 3: wandered in from the street, I think, one of the

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Speaker 3: Mike is speaking, he yells from the audience, how would

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Speaker 3: you like to be a Communist?

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Speaker 11: Could I just finish?

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Speaker 12: Old?

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Speaker 3: Place goes silent, and Patrick and I lean over and

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Speaker 3: say perfect.

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Speaker 7: I even I think did a reading at the at

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Speaker 7: the wedding Floyd that was as very happy. Mary Anne

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Speaker 7: seemed very happy, just a very happy occasion. I was happy.

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Speaker 7: I was happy for them.

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Speaker 13: But I think that was the first time I met

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Speaker 12: You know, and Patrick looked rapturously happy, and Walsh it

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Speaker 12: was just very unifying.

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Speaker 3: Jim wrote the most beautiful poem, as only Jim could, a.

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Speaker 14: Wedding poem for Marianne and Patrick. Jim Carroll, you were

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Speaker 14: wondering why the spring is not here by now? What

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Speaker 14: is the warm weather waiting for? The warm weather waits

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Speaker 14: for a wedding, but not yours. If the gods must

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Speaker 14: ache their ways through this long age, when the hovering

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Speaker 14: birds of death fly north with numbers, why should you

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Speaker 14: go easy? You are children of the war. This most

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Speaker 14: beautiful poem, face of dawn.

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Speaker 3: About what was happening about the other bride and girl Vietnam.

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Speaker 3: But I remember the repeating stanza in the poem and

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Speaker 3: the end of it, because when Patrick and I went

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Speaker 3: on our honeymoon, wo went skiing and we used to

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Speaker 3: yell to each other up and down the ski slope.

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Speaker 3: You rainbow, you wiper.

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Speaker 14: Cynical ideas, you laughers, you lovers, you small words of God,

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Speaker 14: you bodies of Christ.

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Speaker 15: Amen.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 3: Sarah sang bridge over troubled water when.

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Speaker 8: You but Sarah, I remember her at the wedding. I

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Speaker 8: remember her singing and just feeling kind of proud of her,

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Speaker 8: like because she was so talented. You know when you

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Speaker 8: see somebody that you love from a distance doing something amazing.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I sang my guts out to Federal ears. Was

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Speaker 15: it a wedding? Was it tiny?

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Speaker 2: Chris and Joe?

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Speaker 3: It just was?

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Speaker 8: It just felt at once overwhelming and I felt proud

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Speaker 8: like I was. I maybe even thought like, waiter, are

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Speaker 8: we famous? Because I think we live in a basement apartment?

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Speaker 8: Is this what fame looks like?

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Speaker 2: The hall was covered in their signature felt banners, these.

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Speaker 3: The place went, you know, the place went wild.

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Speaker 17: The wedding was sweet and lovely.

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Speaker 2: This is Jim Carroll, who's always been like an uncle

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Speaker 17: Lots of flowers, lots of happiness, lots of joy, even

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Speaker 2: Be Patrick's days saying Mass as a renegade priest were numbered,

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Speaker 7: After a year's experience of being married, I knew that

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Speaker 7: I didn't feel quite so guilty after that.

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Speaker 2: This church Patrick had devoted his life to changing would

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Speaker 2: now move on without him. Without Patrick, the team experiment

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Speaker 3: Are you a.

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Speaker 2: Practice of Catholic man?

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Speaker 7: That's all in the definition, isn't it. So for my definition,

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Speaker 6: No, No, I am not a practicing Catholic.

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Speaker 6: It just represented something that I couldn't hold any longer.

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Speaker 6: now politically, socially, personally, the justice is not there. So

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Speaker 12: I feel like I have stayed and none An Walsh.

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Speaker 2: But and feels differently about the church itself.

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Speaker 18: You know, I go by church just now and I

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Speaker 2: And in the time since these young radicals left the church,

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Speaker 18: The abuse of sexuality by the institution of the church

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Speaker 2: Then and of course it's all changed.

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Speaker 13: Like Anne says to me, now, if you ever said

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Speaker 2: Now, the scandal the church brought upon itself with predatory

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Speaker 2: It symbolizes two things. One that power will come to

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Speaker 17: One of the reasons the church has been able to

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Speaker 17: Jim Carroll, that's where the power structure has to be

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Speaker 2: I admit that that's the age old question we've been

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Speaker 2: The answer I think is we need both and both

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Speaker 2: we might actually get somewhere. Sociologist Carl Mannheim wrote that

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Speaker 2: civil disobedience is sometimes the only mechanism we as a

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Speaker 19: Although the government is always saying, oh, we don't pay

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Speaker 19: They're they're effected. No matter how they claim that they're

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Speaker 2: These Zany Catholic radicals are outside agitators and inside incrementalists

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Speaker 2: the Dude Lebowski, this aggression will not stand. Man, and I,

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Speaker 2: for one, can't think of a clearer form of patriotism.

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Speaker 13: Institutions to the church among them, they always block change.

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Speaker 13: I always feel like it's like an image of a

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Speaker 13: along on bad is the door bad? As the door

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Speaker 13: I know that change never is welcome in the beginning,

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Speaker 13: But it almost has to batter its way in.

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Speaker 2: Our friends, Bob Kaine, Ann Walsh, Paul Cooming, Cookie Ridolphie, Sarahtosi,

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Speaker 2: that they were compelled to put their bodies where their

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Speaker 20: I had no plans, because I didn't think I could

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Speaker 2: After her acquittal, Cookie Ridolfie had a new lease on life.

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Speaker 20: I wrote to the State of New Jersey and I

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Speaker 20: a difference in the world justice blah blah blah, but

445
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 20: I want to do it now the right way, with

446
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 20: an education, And would you give me a scholarship? And

447
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 20: they did. They paid my school.

448
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: Cookie ended up going to Rutgers in Camden, which had

449
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: been under construction next to the Camden Courthouse when they

450
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: did the action, and she even used the construction site

451
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: to case the Federal Building, and soon she graduated college.

452
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 20: I only had one skill when I was acquitted, and

453
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 20: that was a jury work. I became part of the

454
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 20: National Jury Project. At some point I realized I'd been

455
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 20: a defendant, I'd been an investigator in at private Investkuge,

456
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 20: I'd been a jury worker. I had so many jobs,

457
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 20: and I had ever had the power of a lawyer.

458
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 20: And so I decided to go to law school.

459
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: Back to Rutgers for law school.

460
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 20: So then I became a public defender. Then I met

461
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 20: my current wife.

462
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: Cookie went on to co found the Innocence Network, which

463
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: sought exonerations for wrongful convictions. Eventually she taught at Santa

464
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: Clara University Law School, and this former South Philly near

465
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: Dowell Street tough shaped justice for a generation. She also

466
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: stayed close to Sarah Tosi.

467
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 15: Quiet, rainy evening and courage revered. Hoping flows not easily.

468
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: But it flows.

469
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 15: When are you coming down? My heart is so full

470
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 15: you could say I've jumped off a cliff, beating the air,

471
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 15: almost defiant, stomping in my hiking boots. What it means,

472
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 15: I don't know where it goes. I don't know.

473
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Finally, glad.

474
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 20: Every year on the anniversary of the action, she would

475
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 20: call me, So even if we didn't talk all year,

476
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 20: she'd definitely called me that day and we'd talk anyway.

477
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 20: I don't know what to say about her except that,

478
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 20: you know, like she was really a gift to this

479
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 20: earth and a great loss for me.

480
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: After the acquittal, Sarah returned to Boston and eventually married

481
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: before settling on Cape Cod.

482
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 20: After the actions, she just really withdrew because she married

483
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 20: someone who was not who was very unkind to her,

484
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 20: and she had this beautiful boy, Owen, who I'm still

485
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 20: in touch with.

486
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 21: Cookie RIDOLFI was on Cookie.

487
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: I went out to the Cape to meet Sarah's son, Owen,

488
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: in the house where she raised him.

489
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 21: Yeah, I have the I have my.

490
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 14: Mom's guitar on my back here.

491
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 21: Oh wow, the dings and dongs like you've got like

492
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 21: this big depth and that has been repaired, which she

493
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 21: predated me.

494
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: I think that then this this guitar was in my

495
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: in the apartment that they had shared. Must have been

496
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: after her divorce. She worked in construction.

497
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 21: I didn't know much of the history until close to

498
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 21: the time of her passing, when Marianne and a lot

499
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 21: of other folks came around and I got to hear

500
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 21: more of their stories through through an effort to kind

501
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 21: of help my mom remember as well. You know, no

502
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 21: matter what, my mom always believed in doing what was right.

503
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 21: And you know, she always she always stood by her

504
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 21: beliefs and was willing to act on her beliefs and

505
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 21: defend defend people who need to be defended.

506
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 2: At one point, Owen pulled out a letter that had

507
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: been written to her by Bob Weed Ex Williamson.

508
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 21: This is a letter from Bob Williamson to my mother,

509
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 21: and he sent a few months before she passed. And

510
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 21: among the amazing things he wrote, he said, and if

511
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 21: I could sum up the gifts you have given me,

512
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 21: it is that you showed me, by.

513
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: Your example, how to be funny and how to be fierce.

514
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 22: Funny and fierce are such perfect partners. They balance and

515
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 22: bring out the best in each other. Being funny makes

516
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 22: people want to be around you, and being fierce means

517
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 22: they'll always remember what you stand for. If you're funny

518
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 22: and not fierce, no one takes you seriously and you

519
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 22: don't make a difference in this world.

520
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: And if you're.

521
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 22: Fierce but not funny, you'll burn out from the intensity

522
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 22: long before you reach the finish line. Sarah, you are

523
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 22: a shining example to me of fierce and funny imperfect balance.

524
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 21: That example has saved me many many times.

525
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Sarah Tosi died on April fifteenth, two thousand and six.

526
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 23: Much love to you all in the words in the

527
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 23: work Sarah.

528
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: As for Anne Walsh, she took her case against the

529
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: DOJ all the way to the Supreme Court.

530
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 18: I won a Supreme Court superseding indictment the United States

531
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 18: of America versus the Elizabeth Walsh, and it came out

532
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 18: in my favor. I have it right over there in

533
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 18: that bookcase.

534
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: So Anne and Bob could finally tie the knot. Marian.

535
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 12: Anne and Patrick got married I think in April, and

536
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 12: then the following June we got married.

537
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: They got married at a communal living cooperative called Packard Mants,

538
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: about twenty miles south of Dorchester, where Bob had been

539
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: living with some fellow clerk.

540
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 12: It's the first time my family had ever been to

541
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 12: a wedding where we had meatless meatballs and varieties of

542
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 12: pumpkin zucchini bread for the wedding.

543
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: Anne's family living in the Legacy of her war hero father,

544
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: where they're celebrating Anne on her terms.

545
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 13: And then finally, you know, again a big wedding, a

546
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 13: big like your father and mother's wedding, big wedding, all

547
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 13: sorts of people.

548
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 19: They had pot luck, you know.

549
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: That was that was the time their wedding had a

550
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 2: puppet show and an element of protest towards a defense

551
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: contractor Honeywell in the next town.

552
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 13: And then of course when we got married, the big

553
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 13: deal was that the Canmon people had just quit and

554
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 13: they all came to the wedding. Yeah, and they all celebrated,

555
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 13: and so its a very happy time. There were about

556
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 13: five hundred people.

557
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: And moved in with Bob at packard Man's and then

558
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: having never dated anyone, they figured out how to make

559
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: up for lost romantic time.

560
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 12: So as I see it now, it's just like a

561
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 12: very quid period of time. And then the other part

562
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 12: was like a thrilling, hilarious and wonderful, passionate, idealistic you know.

563
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 12: And I think down all the years you sort of

564
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 12: sorted out.

565
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: The war in Vietnam was coming to a close, but

566
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: Anne and Bob felt a strong commitment to continue to

567
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: burn with the spirit of their times.

568
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 13: I can remember when I got out of prison, I

569
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 13: was at the kind of a party at the Manse

570
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 13: and somebody said to me, what are you going to

571
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 13: do now? And I said, well, I'm going to think

572
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 13: things over for a while and see what's going on,

573
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 13: you know, and see what.

574
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: I can do. So Packard Mantz became a place that

575
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: could be the start of a grand counterculture experiment. By

576
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: the time Anne moved to the Mantz, the place was

577
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: evolving into more of a commune full of movement people.

578
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 12: The community was so rich and fine and funny. It

579
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 12: was so alive. It was definitely where you want to be,

580
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 12: like no question, and it wasn't like giving up something.

581
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 12: It was like joining a really good theater troupe or something.

582
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: It became a place for the Catholic radicals to live

583
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: out loud as former clergy, and.

584
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 13: It was a big thing for us that in the

585
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 13: old days when people left religious life or the priestoo

586
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 13: or something, they went into hiding. Almost they were kind

587
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 13: of they couldn't embarrassed by it. You couldn't go back

588
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 13: to the areas where now you left because you saw

589
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 13: something more positive in a sense, and so you weren't embarrassed.

590
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 13: You weren't ashamed. You just said, you know, I want

591
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 13: to go in a different direction, which was sort of

592
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 13: unheard of.

593
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 2: So Anne and Bob settled into commune life. Mary Anne

594
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: and Patrick, meanwhile, had begun a brand new family life.

595
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: They could now live out in public. In one kiss,

596
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: Patrick had gone from being a celibate priest to a

597
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: father of two toddlers.

598
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 8: He married Mom with two kids, like it was instant family.

599
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 8: He was a priest one day, living by himself, and

600
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 8: then he was married with two kids the next, Like

601
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 8: we saw him at the Poul Center. We loved him.

602
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 8: We did torture him though, like I think I rubbed

603
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 8: his toothbrush on the soul. Joe would stand behind him

604
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 8: and the car pick his nose and wipe it on

605
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 8: his bald spot.

606
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: And Patrick was so unbelievable with Christy and Joe. He

607
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: just loved them so much. And the integration of our

608
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: the four of us, was such an extraordinary and special thing.

609
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: I remember him saying his greatest regret was that he

610
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: hadn't been there when they were born. That he just

611
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: he was their father, He was absolutely their father.

612
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: They found an Emerson College dorm at one point thirty

613
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: two Beacon Street in downtown Boston, where they could live

614
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: cheaply as dorm parents. The first order of business was

615
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: for Patrick to formally adopt Christy and Jojo and to

616
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: become their father.

617
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: And we had this incredible party on the day that

618
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: Christy and Joe were adopted. We'd all gone, so there

619
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: was maybe twenty five of us, you know, dear friends,

620
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: all again from the Pall Center community, and we'd all

621
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: gone to the courthouse and they were adopted as a

622
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 3: little ceremony and they'd get lollipops and all that, and

623
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: then Patrick had put this unbelievable slideshow together of them

624
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: too free to be you and me. It was like

625
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: this running slide show all day. But of course he

626
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: was also a Justice of the piece. So in the

627
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: middle of this party, March is in a wedding, so

628
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: he does a wedding. He marries this couple and we

629
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: become their wedding party in the middle of in the

630
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: middle of the adoption.

631
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Speaker 2: Party, one of Patrick's only sources of income, because lest

632
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: we forget, he had taken a vow of poverty and

633
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: was starting from scratch, was being a Justice of the

634
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 2: peace and marrying people, often a couple of crazy kids

635
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: who decided to a lope.

636
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 12: And then two strangers would come in and get married,

637
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 12: and they would give your father twenty five dollars, maybe

638
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 12: a couple of times a day. That might happen on

639
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 12: a good.

640
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: Day, but he was no good with money.

641
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 12: And Patrick frequently would just turn that right over into

642
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 12: two lobster just for himself and Maryam.

643
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: Patrick faced the challenge of building a life for his

644
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: sudden wife and two kids, and just as Floyd had predicted,

645
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: he left the people of Hope. In his resignation letter,

646
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: he implored them to carry on the mission and bring

647
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: in new blood. Reading between the lines, his wording suggests

648
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: they had already become bogged down and too much conversation.

649
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: As for myself, he wrote, I'm feeling a need for distance,

650
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: so I'm into a withdrawal thing. I believe this is

651
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: good for both the p of h and myself. He

652
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: left his role as a religious leader and devoted himself

653
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: entirely to family life, and soon Patrick would become a

654
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: full blown biological father as well.

655
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 8: My mom was pregnant. I remember her being super sick,

656
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 8: like horrible headaches, I remember like her laying on the

657
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 8: couch with her long hair like flowing off of the coach,

658
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 8: just like feeling terrible with.

659
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: A baby on the way. Bob and Anne quickly realized

660
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: that Patrick and Mary Anne should join their burgeoning beloved

661
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: community at Packard Manz.

662
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 24: Oh well, the mans was beautiful.

663
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: This is my brother Joe Hughes aka Jojo.

664
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Speaker 24: At one point twenty acres and so the original Packer

665
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 24: to stay was just you know, it's a beautiful, big

666
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 24: summer home built to resemble a Japanese lafehouse. It was

667
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 24: a very kind of bucolic and peaceful and tranquil place.

668
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 8: A real aversion to fall, particularly at the Manz because

669
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 8: the way that the manse was set up like we

670
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 8: lived down deeper into the woods with the meadow out

671
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 8: our front window, but was surrounded by pine trees. So

672
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 8: this su the autumn sun would set and it would

673
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 8: hit the pine needles, which were like orange gold, and

674
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 8: then this beautiful light would h fill our house. But

675
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 8: I found it too too much, so I'd put a

676
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 8: blanket over my head until the sun went down. And

677
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 8: my mom and dad were like, oh.

678
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: My god, she's really nuts.

679
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 8: She's a great I would be like sitting. I was

680
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 8: like I said down Yet I just couldn't handle it.

681
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 8: It's too beautiful, it was too melancholy.

682
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: Chrissy has also described that autumn sun gleaming off the

683
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: pine Duff at the Manse as the visual equivalent of

684
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Harry Nilsen's voice. If that completes the picture, now, Packard

685
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: Mance and family life would be a grand experiment in

686
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: counterculture living.

687
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 12: More and more like I see. We did what we

688
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 12: felt we could do to end the war in Vietnam

689
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 12: and to become social change agents in a variety of ways,

690
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 12: and to try to have that inform us as we

691
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 12: moved forward. And right after that we put in to adopt.

692
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: Tron, and and Bob decided to adopt the Vietnamese baby

693
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: orphaned by the war, named Tron van Dung.

694
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 12: I adopted Tron. And when Bob and I drove back

695
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 12: to New York, everybody was there to greet this child

696
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 12: and to care for him and make it a special

697
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 12: And I was taking care of Chrissy and Joe when

698
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 12: your mom and Patrick went out the door to have you.

699
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: This is where I entered the story. Ten days after

700
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: Tron arrived at Packard Mantz.

701
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 8: I was born the day Brennan was born. I know

702
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 8: that there's tons of pictures of it, and I just

703
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 8: remember being like, oh my god, like you were the

704
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 8: cutest because I was seven, so like you were. I

705
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 8: was like the perfect age difference because I was like,

706
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 8: he is mine.

707
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 12: And the joy that you know, came when Patrick called

708
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 12: to say that Brendan had been born, and how happy

709
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 12: Chrissy and Joe were.

710
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 8: When Brendan was born is when it like we really

711
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 8: coalesced as a family, because like you were all of ours.

712
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: Patrick baptized me himself in the living room of the

713
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Manse to Morning Has Broken by Kat Stevens.

714
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 8: And I just remember you with Daddy all the time.

715
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 8: There were always errands. I don't know what the hell

716
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 8: had to go to the dump? How did do this?

717
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 8: How to do that? How did you know? Like always

718
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 8: driving around, and I remember actually being jealous of the

719
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 8: time they got to spend with you. Where have you been?

720
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 8: I've been waiting all this time, and Daddy and Mom

721
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 8: were so like just over the moon.

722
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: My dad never brought us to church growing up. I

723
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: had a very secular childhood. The Manse was a magical

724
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: place where we had livestock and a pastor in front

725
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: of my house and a deep woods for exploring and back.

726
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: Anne Walsh was pregnant when I was born.

727
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 24: You friended, Tron and Kate all arrived on Man's property

728
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 24: within the space.

729
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: Of six months, My brother Joe and so you kind

730
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: of filled out.

731
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 24: You know, there were the big kids and the little

732
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 24: kids and so and you know, that was very fun,

733
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 24: because those are sort of a halcyon days.

734
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: Tron, his little sister Kate, and I grew up together

735
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: building forts, digging holes and getting into seventies era childhood hijinks.

736
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: And our parents, like all parents in the nineteen seventies,

737
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: were making it up as they went along, but with

738
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: the added pressure of inventing a counterculture. For instance, we

739
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: had a bull in the meadow named Stanley.

740
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 24: Stanley was very gentle. I mean, there are pictures of

741
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 24: you taking naps on a summer day, kind of lulling

742
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 24: on Stanley's Stalley.

743
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: Allowing a three year old to nap on the stomach

744
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: of a bull may sound beyond the pale to today's parents,

745
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: but Patrick and Mary Anne were as gonzo about parenting

746
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: as they were about protest But at a certain point,

747
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: Stanley had pure and wasn't so friendly anymore, and the

748
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: grown ups got concerned.

749
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 24: Like, Okay, this this bull's getting a little dangerous. We've

750
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 24: gotta haven't slaughtered, And so they had Stanley slaughtered. And

751
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 24: I remember the little kids were at dinner in the

752
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 24: big building, the Man's the main building one night, and

753
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 24: there just to be tons and tons of beef stew,

754
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 24: you know, you know, and every of them was enjoying

755
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 24: the beef stew, and it just seemed dan like, like

756
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 24: where did this deep stew becoming? Like from the double kitchens?

757
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 24: I mean, how much beef stew one kitchen hole? And

758
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 24: then after so at some point in that dinner, you know,

759
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 24: I think I think, uh, I think it was Bob Canade.

760
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 24: As a matter of fact, who just at one point, kids,

761
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 24: sorry that but that that beef stew that you've been

762
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 24: eating that meal, all that delicious beef is your friend Stanley.

763
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: The grown ups didn't have a pot to piss in

764
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: or a window to throw it out of, but it

765
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: didn't matter, because we just frolicked in a field and

766
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: dug holes in the ground and went to the public

767
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: school where we were the weird commune kids and money

768
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: didn't matter and life was easy. After his priesthood. Instead

769
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: of finding gainful employment, Patrick repurposed his ability to make

770
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: multimedia extravaganzas into making documentary film strips about corporate malfeasance.

771
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: His biggest one was called Guess Who's Coming to Breakfast?

772
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 25: Guess Who's Coming to Breakfast?

773
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: About Gulf and Western's abuse of sugarcane croppers in the

774
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: Dominican Republic.

775
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 25: The sugar on this table came from the Dominican Republic,

776
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 25: a product of the Gulf and Western Corporation at the time.

777
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: In addition to owning expansive sugar operations in the dr

778
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Gulf and Western owned Paramount Pictures and Simon and Schuster.

779
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: And as a result of Patrick's slide show, they started

780
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: getting a ton of angry letters.

781
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: Oh, that's what happened. That's what happened. They started to

782
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: get letters and letters and letters because this slide show

783
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: was distributed and churches were showing it, and high schools

784
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: were showing it, and colleges were showing it, and so suddenly,

785
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: including I think their own employees, were going, wait a minute,

786
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: we just saw this film.

787
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 25: The average person has a responsibility to find out more

788
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 25: about big corporations because there's a lot at stake. Who's

789
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 25: going to control for lives of ordinary people, the giant

790
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 25: corporations or the people themselves.

791
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: Gulf and Western then sent two lawyer goons to Boston

792
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: to meet with Patrick and mary Anne.

793
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: And they lay into us how this is libel, and

794
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 3: they're telling us how it's not true. And they're going

795
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: on and on and on and on and on about

796
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: like why it's just so wrong, and ended saying and

797
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: our intention is, you know, we'll sue you, we'll bring

798
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: you to court. And I'm sure they expected us to wilt,

799
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: just in fear right, And Patrick said, this would be

800
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: an amazing opportunity for us if you bring us to court.

801
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: We were one hundred percent go ahead, So away, what

802
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: do you want the corduroy chair? And Patrick used to

803
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: have this great thing about how can click his heels,

804
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: you know, run and jump and click his heels. We

805
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: got outside, he just he had to clickly else.

806
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: The National Council of Churches eventually expressed public support for Patrick,

807
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: and he and Marianne never heard from Gulf and Western again.

808
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: No, and they backed right down. I mean that was

809
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: such a lesson in how to deal with power. It

810
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: was such a great lesson, which is to say, actually,

811
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: you don't have any I mean, go ahead, make my day,

812
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: but you don't really have any power.

813
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 2: Patrick was becoming an effective outside agitator, rankling the halls

814
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: of corporate power and driving down their stock value with

815
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: his messages of justice for the downtrodden. His indefatigable optimism

816
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: in the face of annihilation by the tall buildings of

817
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: New York was a light that burned bright and hot. Patrick,

818
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: as my dad, was incredibly warm and funny as hell,

819
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: and he was also an enthusiastic straight man from my

820
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: childish jokes like everyone's dad, I suppose. Even looking at

821
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: the back of his head while we drove our VW

822
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: bus always gave me some measure of comfort. He had

823
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: a round, bald head with a ring of curls around

824
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: the back, and kind looking, downturned eyes like Ernie on

825
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: Sesame Street, and he seemed like a walking hug. His

826
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: booted feet were usually poking out from under a broken

827
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: down car behind our house. While he was alive, everything

828
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: would always be fine.

829
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 17: Patrick died in the thick of that work. His movement

830
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 17: through the revolution was a work in progress, and it

831
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 17: wasn't finished, and it continues, obviously, which is the power

832
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 17: of what you're doing, being faithful to that humane impulse

833
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 17: he embodied.

834
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 2: I was a sickly kid and I was home from

835
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 2: first grade doing spirographs at the kitchen table on October

836
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: twenty third, nineteen eighty. It was a Thursday, the morning

837
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: that he died.

838
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: I shot up out of a sound sleep with my

839
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: heart just pounding, pounding, pounding, pounding, pounding, and I had

840
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 3: this thought that something unspeakable is going to happen to

841
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: someone we know who wears a hat. That was the

842
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: sentence that came into me. Was so bizarre, and I

843
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: remember sitting now, I almost woke. I almost woke Patrick up.

844
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 8: I got up super early because I was in junior

845
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 8: high and I was in eighth grade.

846
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 3: An Walsh and I that week had gone and taken

847
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: an acting class for the hell of it. And I

848
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: came home and he was sitting on the couch. He

849
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: was reading Jim's book Mortal Friends. And I remember thinking

850
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 3: to myself that he seemed kind of tired. And I

851
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: actually remember sitting on his lap and we were just

852
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 3: talking and we were talking about the weekend. There was

853
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: a new Woody Allen movie out. I think we had

854
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: lunch with you at the little table and I said

855
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: to him, wow, you seem really tired. I wonder if

856
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: you want to just take a nap, like take a

857
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: quick nap first. He said, yeah, I really am tired.

858
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: Maybe I will do that. I'll just go I want

859
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: to take a twenty minute nap, no more. And I

860
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: said okay. And I remember looking at the clock to

861
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: make sure I woke him up in case he didn't

862
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 3: wake up. I was supposed to wake him up at one.

863
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: While he was asleep, Anne Walsh and another resident of

864
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 2: the man's came over to say hi.

865
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: I was making coffee and the three of us were

866
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: just talking and visiting and all that stuff. And I

867
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: remember looking at the clock and it was ten past one,

868
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: and I said, oh, I better go wake him up.

869
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: So I just left the room and walked down to

870
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: JoJo's room, which is where he was taking his nap.

871
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: And I got to the doorway and the first thought,

872
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: I have. His hands were above his chest like this.

873
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 3: And there's a point in the consecration at Mass where

874
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 3: the priest would hold his hands like this before doing

875
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 3: the consecration, and his hands were above his chest like that.

876
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: The first that I had was like, Wow, it looks

877
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 3: like he's saying mass. And then I thought, oh my god,

878
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: he looks dead. I I don't even know where the

879
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 3: screams came from. I mean I started just and I

880
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: jumped on top of him and just started like banging

881
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: his chest and screaming and scar and screaming. And that's

882
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 3: when Anne and Mike and you ran down the hallway

883
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 3: and Anne grabbed you to run out of the house

884
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: so that you wouldn't see anymore, and Mike ran and

885
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 3: called the police and called the ambulance.

886
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: Ann Walsh scooped me up in my long Johns and

887
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: ran downstairs to her living room. I remember her screaming

888
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: into the phone operator, you have no choice.

889
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: I had this vision. I wanted to go to the

890
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: top of the little dirt road and like drag the

891
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 3: ambulance down.

892
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: We lived in the brown house at the bottom of

893
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: the hill.

894
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: I know what that I could have dragged an ambulance

895
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: down that hill. There's no question in my mind. I

896
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: think I stayed with him on top of him until

897
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: the ambulance.

898
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: Came in the confusion, I wound up standing alone at

899
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: the entrance to the manse, and I watched the ambulance

900
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: turn in to the property and one of the grown

901
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: up sprint behind it down the hill.

902
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: And I remember the doctor coming in and saying that like,

903
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: we did everything we possibly could, but he's died. He's dead,

904
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: and I think I just collapsed, and I kept saying, OK,

905
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: I can't, I cannot tell the kids. I cannot. The

906
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: shock was so brutal, It's like every nerve ending is

907
00:54:53,160 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: on fire. Jim was signing books at Barnes and Noble

908
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: when Lex called and said Patrick had a heart attack.

909
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: Jim had himself finally left the priesthood and gotten.

910
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 3: Married, and they told me the story of driving down

911
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: to the hospital, them talking about what an impossible patient

912
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: Patrick was going to be like as a hard patient. No,

913
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 3: this is not going to work out, this won't be good,

914
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 3: And that was their expectation. When they came into the

915
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: emergency room asking for Patrick Hughes. They expected him to

916
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: be up in a hospital room, and someone in the

917
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: emergency room had to tell them that he had died.

918
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: And Jim said, I want to see him, and they said, oh,

919
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: you were relative, and he said, yes, I'm his brother,

920
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 3: and they took him back and that's when Jim gave

921
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: him the last right. And I remember when Jim came

922
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: back to the house. I just screamed when I saw

923
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: him because I knew he and I had just lost

924
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: our best friend, that I knew what we had something

925
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: in common that was so deeply shared between us, you know.

926
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 8: And you said, Daddy's just sleeping. He was just sleeping,

927
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 8: because you witnessed the entire thing, so and you just

928
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 8: kept saying it over and over again.

929
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: And then the house started filling up and people started coming.

930
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: Everybody was the shock of it, Brendan was. It's like

931
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: he was the healthiest, most alive person you knew on

932
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 3: the whole planet, and he died.

933
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: Patrick Hughes was forty one years old. In a few days,

934
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan would be elected to the Oval Office and

935
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: declare it was mourning in America. In six and a

936
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: half weeks, John Lennon would be shot and killed outside

937
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: the Dakota Building on Central Park West. Looking back, Patrick's

938
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: death marked the exact end of an era as much

939
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: as it did a single life. We held a three

940
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: day Irish wake.

941
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 12: I can remember it was October obviously, and I can

942
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 12: remember the color of the pine neals that had fallen

943
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 12: off the trees and this gold and burnishing.

944
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: It was in the living room of the manse, and.

945
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 12: You know, it was a closed casket, right the grand

946
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 12: piano usually was, and a prejeer in front of the casket.

947
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 12: And you kids were like those all kinds of food

948
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,959
Speaker 12: and dining rooms. Your kids would go over and get

949
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 12: like him and mustard on your bread and go sit

950
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 12: next to Patrick's body on the priger. And I was saying, honeys,

951
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 12: don't get like the mustard on the casket. You kept

952
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 12: opening the box. Yep, he's still in there. Yep, He's

953
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 12: still in there.

954
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: Patrick's funeral was held at the Paulist Center.

955
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 8: The amount of people that came again staggering, because he

956
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 8: was so loved and had such impact and influence. People

957
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 8: were rattled.

958
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 12: That talent to bring people together and to serve them,

959
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 12: you know, showed up again at his funeral, you know,

960
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 12: which was at the Paulast Center. And I don't think

961
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 12: they had ever let in a long time maybe a

962
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 12: priest to live there could be buried from there, but

963
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 12: they didn't. We had to get special permission, and that

964
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 12: was It was like a bittersweet, beautiful, beautiful liturgy.

965
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: Jim Carroll, Patrick's best friend, gave the eulogy. He told

966
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: a story of their time back in the seminary. It

967
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: was their first autumn back in nineteen sixty two. He

968
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: told us they began making bets about when the pond

969
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: would freeze, and Patrick announced he would skate across it

970
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: on December eighth. When the day came, all the Seminary

971
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: brothers gathered at the edge of the pond and one

972
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: of them heaved a rock that easily sank right through

973
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: the surface. But Patrick, undeterred, laced up his skates and

974
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: struck out onto the ice, and he managed to skate

975
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: all the way across as a giant crack opened up

976
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: behind it. That was the self assurance, Jim told us

977
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: that carried him through his priesthood and into family life.

978
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: Pat Hughes, he said, invented an approach to liturgy that

979
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: influenced not only the Paulists, but the whole American church.

980
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: Here at the Paula Center. He was the heartbeat of

981
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: one of the only Catholic churches in Boston or anywhere

982
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: that had a conscience about the war.

983
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: It was funny when he died. I remember thinking this,

984
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: like the greatest gifts that you can ever give anyone

985
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: ever is to fully live your life, because when you

986
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 3: do and you die, no one has a regret for you,

987
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: even at forty one. I mean I could say when

988
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: he died at forty one that he had lived so

989
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: fully that even though his life was cut short, he

990
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 3: had lived completely. That is the most incredible gift you

991
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 3: can give to people.

992
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 25: I think.

993
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: Marianne and Tobin continued to distribute Patrick's slideshows for a

994
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: few years until the orders stopped coming in and VHS

995
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 2: took over. Then Marianne started working in politics and eventually

996
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: met an editor from the Boston Globe who had three

997
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: kids of his own. They tied their fortunes together such

998
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: as they were, and we all moved to Dorchester. He too,

999
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: would die only seven years later, but she continues to

1000
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: live in the same house to this day. She eventually

1001
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: founded a management institute for nonprofits and ran it until

1002
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: she retired.

1003
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 8: I really resist or react very strongly when somebody tells

1004
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 8: a story about anyone in my family, Like if anybody

1005
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 8: sort of like pulls.

1006
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: Them away from me, my sister Kristen.

1007
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 8: Memory is so problematic.

1008
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: Kristin, Joe and I and Kate and Tron, I'm sure

1009
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: and all the children of the Catholic left. We all

1010
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: walk around with these stories in our hearts and they

1011
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: can feel heavy. My first outline for this story is

1012
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: dated February fifth, nineteen ninety nine. I've been trying to

1013
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: tell it for over twenty five years.

1014
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 8: If anybody is telling me anything that I know in detail,

1015
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 8: I'm like, it's not your fucking story to tell. That's

1016
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 8: not what happened, you know.

1017
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: Inside my head, it just felt like my destiny, not

1018
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: to be too melodramatic about it, to tell this story,

1019
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: but it's pretty scary to finally be doing so.

1020
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 8: I feel like really tight, like do not make him

1021
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 8: anything than what he was, which was like it just

1022
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 8: my dad.

1023
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: There are so many problems with trying to capture that time,

1024
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: with capturing these people and they're rollicking Jois de vive

1025
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: with capturing him. I was only six when he died,

1026
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: and this project has been a lifelong attempt to get

1027
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: to know him better. I started doing these interviews in

1028
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, Howard Zinn, Bob Kanine, and Tobin

1029
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: Kip Tiernan, and my aunt Joanne Hughes all passed away.

1030
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: Years ago. I moved to Los Angeles, I met my wife,

1031
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: we had a son. I distracted myself with other projects

1032
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: and time went on, but this one would never leave

1033
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: me alone. Arthur Miller, in his autobiography, talked about how

1034
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe could walk into a room and spot all

1035
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: the people that had lost a parent as a child.

1036
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 2: There is a do you like me? He wrote, of

1037
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: the look in the eyes of people who have lost

1038
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: their parents, an appeal out of bottomless loneliness that no

1039
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: parented person can really know. And when you're taught at

1040
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: a tender age in no uncertain terms that love is

1041
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: in fact quite finite in certain circumstances, you begin to

1042
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: hoard any scrap you can get while mistrusting those who

1043
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: offer it, like a scavenger in a war zone. You

1044
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: end up a world class self saboteur, pathologically incapable of

1045
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: doing the one thing that would finally make you feel better,

1046
01:03:54,680 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: because then he really is permanently gone. Laborators have been

1047
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: very patient with me as I finally laid this giant egg.

1048
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: It was at Patrick's burial that the brutality of his

1049
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: loss finally hit me. I'd spent the week making sure

1050
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: he was still in the box, and when we got

1051
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: to the burial, I saw that gaping maw in the ground,

1052
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: waiting to swallow him forever. Then I just started to wail,

1053
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: and Uncle scooped me up and whisked me away from

1054
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: the scene because I think he intuited it was the

1055
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: sight of the hole that was torturing me. But I

1056
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: pounded him on the shoulders and demanded he turned back around,

1057
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: and when he did, everyone was staring at me. Looking back,

1058
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was in sorrow, But at six years old,

1059
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: as I looked at all their stricken faces, my only thought,

1060
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: because I am nothing if not Irish Catholic, is that

1061
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: I had ruined my father's burial. But there's an old

1062
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: saying among Irish Catholics that gives me some comfort about this.

1063
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: What's the use of being Irish if the world doesn't

1064
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: break your heart. That visual of everyone staring at me

1065
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: is the last thing I remember for a year, and

1066
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: I've been making up for that moment ever since, which

1067
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: includes I think finally talking to you. I told this

1068
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 2: story because I wanted to get to know him better.

1069
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: I told it because I wanted to get back the

1070
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: love I lost that day when he went to take

1071
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: a nap in JoJo's room and never woke up. I

1072
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: told it because I wanted to understand this time. Before

1073
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: I was born, these hilarious grown ups. I grew up

1074
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 2: with their patriotism, their bravery, their humor, and the ferociousness

1075
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: of their love. And maybe the old idea that God

1076
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: is love is less of a platitude than my cynical

1077
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: gen X brain originally thought. And maybe it's not God

1078
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: is love, but God is love. The mysterious, inevitable feeling

1079
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: that came over me when my wife Emily walked into

1080
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: that party in two thousand and nine and I saw

1081
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: her for the first time, but it felt like I'd

1082
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 2: known her my entire life, or the force that made

1083
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: me sob for three days when our son Oscar was born,

1084
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: because my heart suddenly had to grow three sizes to

1085
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: accommodate how I felt about him. Love is the mysterious

1086
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 2: chaos in our choice to devote ourselves to other human beings.

1087
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: It's easy, especially now when rugged. American individualism and meanness

1088
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: are so in vogue to be cynical about movements for

1089
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: social change. But all these Zany Catholics brought a ferocity

1090
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: of love to what they did that cannot be denied.

1091
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: Love for their country, love for each other, love for

1092
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 2: the common man, love for anyone who is suffering.

1093
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: To look back at those times, to look back at

1094
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: who I was, and who Patrick was, and who all

1095
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 3: of my friends. Who are some of us, you know,

1096
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: some still with us and some not.

1097
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Speaker 26: And there's something about that moment that was so It

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Speaker 26: was an unbelievable time, but there was something that was

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Speaker 26: really innocent about it.

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Speaker 3: There was something about it that we believed.

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Speaker 2: Patrick's headstone reads a slightness quote from Scottish poet Thomas Campbell,

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Speaker 2: to live beyond in the hearts you leave behind is

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Speaker 2: not to die. Patrick's Walk for Hunger and the Wednesday

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Speaker 2: Night Supper Club are still going fifty years later. In

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Speaker 2: recent years they've seen as many as forty four thousand

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Speaker 2: people taking part in the oldest pledge walk in the country,

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Speaker 2: and they now give out an annual Patrick Hughes Award

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Speaker 2: for Social Justice. Last Christmas, I was back in Boston

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Speaker 2: with my family and one cold crisp night, I took

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Speaker 2: my son Oscar to volunteer for the Wednesday Night supper

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Speaker 2: club in the basement of the Polis Center, which as

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Speaker 2: an organization is still going strong, forever changed by Patrick

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Speaker 2: and Floyd's brief time there. Dan here, you just recorded that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think I caught your name, Brendan, brendand Sarah.

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Speaker 2: It is a pleasure. A dedicated group of volunteers shows

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Speaker 2: up every week and cooks, waits on the guests, and

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Speaker 2: cleans the place spotless when it's done. The night I

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Speaker 2: was there, we serve turkey and stuffing. My son Oscar

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Speaker 2: handed out milks to the guests as they came in.

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Speaker 2: At first, I thought to myself, how wonderful this is

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Speaker 2: still going after so many years. But it's quick to

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Speaker 2: realize how terrible it is that after fifty years it's

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Speaker 2: still necessary, and how crucial is what Martin Luther King

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Speaker 2: described as the love that does justice.

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Speaker 19: Those movements come out of love. They come out of

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Speaker 19: people's love for their fellow men and women.

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Speaker 2: Howard Zinn, people they don't even know.

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Speaker 19: Because I think there is something fundamental about human beings

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Speaker 19: that they are compassionate and they are moved by what

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Speaker 19: happens to the people. Sometimes people say, oh, you know, selfishness, competition,

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Speaker 19: that's part of human nature. It's not part of human nature.

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Speaker 19: That's something that is artificial that you grow up being

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Speaker 19: indoctrinated into. You're indoctrinated into violence and competition. But the

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Speaker 19: natural instincts of people, I believe, are to help other

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Speaker 19: people and to yes and to love. When the artifice

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Speaker 19: of a propaganda of government, deception, when that is stripped away,

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Speaker 19: what is left is people's natural love for other people,

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Speaker 19: and so I think it then becomes a very powerful force.

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Speaker 3: His love for us was so profound that he left

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Speaker 3: us all completely whole. He didn't leave us as broken people.

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Speaker 3: He left us as whole people because he loved us

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Speaker 3: so deeply.

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Speaker 12: Is something very beautiful about having adopted trime Because I

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 12: felt that I couldn't do very much. I'm not like

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Speaker 12: a really great walking on ere or a great teacher,

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Speaker 12: but I can love one person really well and consistently

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Speaker 12: and find out way that leads.

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Speaker 15: As you know, loving empowers us to do things that

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Speaker 15: seem so damn impossible. Not one more step, Not one

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Speaker 15: more hour. But yes, it happened.

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Speaker 2: Somehow, and you go on.

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Speaker 15: I can't begin to speculate where it's all headed, but

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Speaker 15: it's spring again.

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Speaker 3: I loved him so much, and that love continues to

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Speaker 3: sustain me. There's just no question about it. Which is

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's been dead forty years. That's pretty amazing,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure I know he sustains all of you.

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Speaker 2: You may remember, as Mary Anne stood at the Jetway

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Speaker 2: when she was leaving her first husband Texas, that Patrick's

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01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: seminary brother gave her his ordination card with Patrick's phone

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Speaker 2: number on the back and on the front was a

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Speaker 2: quote by tehar Deschardin. The quote on the front of

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Speaker 2: the card was this, the day will come when, after

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Speaker 2: harnessing the space, the winds, the tides, and gravity, we

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Speaker 2: shall harness for God the energies of love. And on

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Speaker 2: that day, for the second time in the history of

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Speaker 2: the world, man will have discovered fire. By the time

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Speaker 2: Karita Kent received the commission from the Boston Gas Company

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Speaker 2: to create Rainbow Swash on the Dorchester gas tank, she

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Speaker 2: had left her position as nun and art teacher at

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Speaker 2: the Immaculate Heart College in Los Angeles. She had left

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Speaker 2: her order and walked away from the Catholic Church to

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Speaker 2: focus on her art and social justice. It still stands

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Speaker 2: on ninety three, momentarily delighting Bostonian commuters again. It's their

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 2: will and remains a symbol, at least to me, of

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Speaker 2: the explosive cauldron of colorful subversion that will always be Dorchester,

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Speaker 2: and it recently welcomed home one of Dorchester's proudest sons.

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Speaker 4: Some Yeah. For thirty seven years, I've been in nursing,

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Speaker 4: either a nursing yat or as a nurse as an R.

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Speaker 2: After the war, Paul Cooming brought his love of anyone

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01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: suffering to the medical field and became an o R nurse.

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01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: He moved to Minneapolis, where he raised two children. He

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Speaker 2: has continued to be an activist throughout the decades. Then

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Speaker 2: he came home to Dorchester.

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Speaker 4: I know that I was brought up to believe that

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Speaker 4: God was love. If you want to know God, you've

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Speaker 4: got to know love. You have to be loved, you

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01:13:53,920 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 4: have to you know, commit love. And this action community

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Speaker 4: that well was the work of love. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: was there because I loved my country so much that

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Speaker 4: I was willing to do what I did I didn't

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Speaker 4: love my government. I opposed my government because it was

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Speaker 4: doing wrong, but I never failed to love the people

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Speaker 4: that it ruled over. And I think I and others

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Speaker 4: were able to transfer those feelings of respect and love

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Speaker 4: to that joy during that trial. We let them know

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Speaker 4: that we were in love with the We had no

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Speaker 4: problem with the people in the United States, which is

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Speaker 4: that problem with the government, and that people had to

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Speaker 4: stand up and be responsible to write the ship.

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Speaker 2: Can I end that?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Divine Intervention was a production of iHeart Podcasts. It was

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Speaker 2: produced by Wonder Media Network and was created and written

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Speaker 2: by me your host, Brendan Patrick Hughes. Our deeply incredible

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Speaker 2: producers were the Bureau Chief, Carmen Borca Correo, the Scimitar

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01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: of Wit, Abby Delk, the secret Weapon Palomo Moreno, Jimenez,

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01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: the Mother Confessor, Grace Lynch, and myself. Our editor was

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Speaker 2: Gift to every room she walks into. Grace Lynch for

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Speaker 2: Wonder Media Network. Our executive producers were the great and

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Speaker 2: powerful Emily Rudder with a thousand watts smile and Jenny Kaplan,

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,520
Speaker 2: who has incredible tastes in podcast pilots. For iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producer was Christina Everett, whom I hope I

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Speaker 2: get to high five one day for Drout Street book Club.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producer was Rolin Jones, who I've spent my

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Speaker 2: entire career trying to impress. Over the last twenty years

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Speaker 2: of making this, I was helped by several friends along

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Speaker 2: the way, including Morris Smiley, Jeff Zen, Adam O'Byrne, Tony Manna,

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Speaker 2: Ethan Stocks, Louis Wheeler, Chris Banow, Susie Blair, Masha Simmering,

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Speaker 2: Dante Marino, Pamela Grimaud, Jonathan Fierros, Elise Corwin, Joe Trepeia,

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Speaker 2: Kristin Hughes, Amelia Hirsch, Jaji Hammer, and Carly Pope, who

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Speaker 2: voiced the late Sarah Tosi. Our theme and end credit

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Speaker 2: music was composed and performed by Tanya Donnelly. Yes, fellow

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Speaker 2: gen xers that Tanya Donnelly. And if you're wondering if

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Speaker 2: this meets I got to meet her in person, the

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Speaker 2: answer is yes, and she's even more awesome than you've imagined.

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Speaker 2: It was mastered by one of my oldest friends, Ben Aarons.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to my agent at Uta Shelby Shankman, who

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01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 2: took one listen to the pilot and said, Brendan, let's

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Speaker 2: sell this thing to Davey Gardner at the Tribeca Festival,

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Speaker 2: who makes dreams come true. To my wife Emily Topper

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Speaker 2: and our son Oscar who put up with relentless skipped

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Speaker 2: dinners and missed soccer practices to allow this show to

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Speaker 2: come into the world. Extra special thanks to all the staggering,

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Speaker 2: the inspirational patriots who allowed me to interview them, beginning

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago in two thousand and five on a

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Speaker 2: road trip with my mother, Mary Anne Hughes. This project

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Speaker 2: was made in loving memory of my father, Patrick Hughes,

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Speaker 2: born in nineteen thirty nine died nineteen eighty. This is

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Speaker 2: Brendan Patrick Hughes signing off thank you for listening to

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Speaker 2: Divine Intervention.