Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2: We got lots just say we got lost.
Speaker 3: Just said.
Speaker 4: What a bat?
Speaker 2: And we poked you say because we got lost, Just sa,
Speaker 2: yeah we got lost.
Speaker 5: Just say, here's Bobby.
Speaker 2: That said everybody.
Speaker 1: Tim McGrath coming up in just a little bit, major
Speaker 1: athlete timcgaw was a major athlete, one of those annoying guys.
Speaker 2: But you're like this too, You're annoying, brother man.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that that you're tall, you're good looking. You
Speaker 1: could play every sport. No basketball was never myself, but
Speaker 1: you played college baseball, you played football, You could have
Speaker 1: played basketball.
Speaker 2: You're six or four.
Speaker 1: It's like God like had had beans that could go
Speaker 1: in two jars, and he like put too many in
Speaker 1: your jar.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, dude, I got like a third over here,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 3: I could play a little pick up basketball, but I'm
Speaker 3: always the guy in the low post because I can't
Speaker 3: shoot to save my life. And I've always been jealous
Speaker 3: of those guys that come out and they could be
Speaker 3: any height in there out there on the the arc.
Speaker 1: Just don't talk about being jealous of athletes because I'm
Speaker 1: sitting next to you.
Speaker 3: This is no I'm basketball athletes. I am jealous of period.
Speaker 1: It's like you have you had all the traits to
Speaker 1: be a successful quarterback, because I don't think you can
Speaker 1: be a truly successful quarterback and be ugly.
Speaker 2: In the face.
Speaker 3: I've seen a few, very few, very few, very few
Speaker 3: like Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1: Probably not the best looking dude he's but he's above average.
Speaker 2: Though he's above average. Yeah, I'm not even saying he's ugly.
Speaker 1: But when I think of like quarterbacks that aren't like chisel,
Speaker 1: like you got the chisel, you got, the height, you
Speaker 1: got the obviously, the work ethic that's there.
Speaker 2: I'm not taking anything up.
Speaker 6: I would say that that.
Speaker 1: You can't be a premier quarterback without being good looking.
Speaker 1: Lamar is good looking, Josh Allen's good looking, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: is good looking.
Speaker 2: Keep going, I'm good. Jimmy Garoppolo the best.
Speaker 1: But you have to have certain elements you do have
Speaker 1: to have, and I don't think you had all the
Speaker 1: we ever grow up.
Speaker 3: No, I was, but yes, I know him pretty well.
Speaker 3: We've used to work out in the off season.
Speaker 2: But I would be annoyed by him too. He's just
Speaker 2: so good looking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he's got something to him, for sure.
Speaker 2: I want to talk quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: Oh what part of them? Well, what aspects? What partial structure?
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the three quarterbacks, Lamar, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: and Josh Oh gosh, because here we are group and
Speaker 1: we're talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's like a Golden age again. It is.
Speaker 3: It really is, because when you look at you know,
Speaker 3: you get through the Brady, the Breeze, the manning. That
Speaker 3: whole time period it was like, could we ever get
Speaker 3: back to this?
Speaker 6: And then you look at this crop of quarter heres
Speaker 6: that we have.
Speaker 2: It's crept up. We're here again.
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So the MVP is obviously the topic of discussion, and
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to read some stats here for
Speaker 1: a second. Lamar Jackson threw for forty one hundred yards.
Speaker 1: I believe you had the highest quarterback rating ever this year.
Speaker 1: Forty one touchdowns, four interceptions, ninety one and four and
Speaker 1: nine hundred and fifteen rush yards. That Joe Burrow has
Speaker 1: four thousand and nine hundred passing yards, So that's forty
Speaker 1: nine compared to Lamar's forty one so he does beat
Speaker 1: him in that forty three touchdowns, but.
Speaker 6: The pass I mean you have to add on with Lamar.
Speaker 6: The rushing.
Speaker 1: Oh, Laura had four rushing touchdowns, okay, where Burrow had
Speaker 1: two more passing touchdowns. But again, Burrow's not really in
Speaker 1: the conversation, but I'm going to put him in the
Speaker 1: conversation should be, which is why I put him in.
Speaker 2: Statistically speaking.
Speaker 1: Statistically speaking, Josh Allen thirty seven thirty one passing yards,
Speaker 1: so roughly four hundred yards less than Lamar, twenty eight touchdowns,
Speaker 1: six interceptions, five hundred and thirty one rushing yards, twelve
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns. You're looking at three different If these happen
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, all three of them win the MVP.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Like there's no question about it. When
Speaker 3: you look everybody that you just mentioned played in the
Speaker 3: MVP caliber this season, it just happens to be the
Speaker 3: year that they all did it in the same year.
Speaker 3: When you look at Lamar and what he's able to
Speaker 3: do on the football field, there's nobody quite like him.
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, He's a unicorn, I mean, for being the
Speaker 3: size that he is, the arm strength, the talent, and
Speaker 3: I think he's taken his game to the next level
Speaker 3: because every year the defenses were able to configure something
Speaker 3: that gave him a little bit of difficulty. But this year,
Speaker 3: he's making great decisions, he's seeing the field well, and
Speaker 3: then also his ability to take off and make something
Speaker 3: out of nothing. I think what separates Josh Allen this
Speaker 3: year and what everybody keeps talking about is the fact
Speaker 3: that when you look at the weapons on the outside,
Speaker 3: it's not comparable to what you're dealing with with Joe
Speaker 3: Burrow or Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6: It's just not.
Speaker 2: Which is why is probably going to win the MVP.
Speaker 1: He's the favorite right now, right even though Lamar has
Speaker 1: had a history type season, And I'm not declaring yet
Speaker 1: who I would vote for as MVP, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is also the betting favorite right now because
Speaker 1: there's a two seed. He does not have Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: does not have the receivers that Lamar has or Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: and he threw for thirty seven thirty twenty eight and
Speaker 1: twelve rushing touchdowns. Now you're gonna have this that people
Speaker 1: that go Lamar outperformed him in most areas except for
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns, but Baltimore did not win as much and
Speaker 1: he had better weapons. Now is that an argument.
Speaker 3: It's an argument because you're the most valuable player based
Speaker 3: on the team that surrounds you. Because as a quarterback,
Speaker 3: you do have to have a group of skilled players
Speaker 3: around you that can make plays on a consistent basis. Obviously,
Speaker 3: these guys all elevate those guys around him. But Jamar Chase,
Speaker 3: he had a historical season.
Speaker 2: Higgins, he killed it this year.
Speaker 3: He's if Jamar I mean, Jamar Chase is number one
Speaker 3: t Higgins is one double A like he is right
Speaker 3: there next to him. He'll be paid as a number
Speaker 3: one wide receiver and be another market guy next year
Speaker 3: if he's not back with the Bengals. So he had
Speaker 3: two number one wide receivers. Then when you look at
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, there's a lot of youth on the outside
Speaker 3: and a lot of young guys that he took those
Speaker 3: guys to the next level and put them on his back.
Speaker 3: And without Josh Allen, that team's nowhere near where they
Speaker 3: are at the end of the season.
Speaker 2: Who's your vote.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stick with Josh Allen. I just I just
Speaker 3: he performed at such a high level throughout the course
Speaker 3: of the year. They are where they are because of
Speaker 3: his play, and also without him, I don't think they
Speaker 3: might be a five hundred team.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I also picked Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: but I get annoyed for lamar In the people aren't
Speaker 1: going to vote for him because he's won it before
Speaker 1: and won last year, and like that should not be
Speaker 1: a part of the conversation.
Speaker 2: Should never be. He won, so he wouldn't win, he
Speaker 2: shouldn't win again.
Speaker 1: I think that's the most loser mentality, right, Like if
Speaker 1: it's like when they wouldn't give Belichick Coach of the
Speaker 1: Year because he'd won it so many times, or Angela
Speaker 1: Jolie Hottest person Alive people magaz get for like three
Speaker 1: they wouldn't give you he ever again because she'd already had it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's give people the awards they deserve, even if
Speaker 1: if they deserve it every year until someone else wins.
Speaker 1: But I do think Josh, for the reason that you stated,
Speaker 1: he just did not have the help, got them the
Speaker 1: two seed and actually made them a lot a lot better.
Speaker 2: Thought what Peyton Manny did with a lot of those guys.
Speaker 6: Right, some of those games. I mean, all these guys
Speaker 6: take over games.
Speaker 3: I think Lamar and Josh the separator for them is
Speaker 3: their ability to take off and run the football and
Speaker 3: make plays when nothing else is there. And that's the
Speaker 3: most frustrating thing for any defense is when you're sitting there,
Speaker 3: you've got the perfect coverage called You've got it all
Speaker 3: taken care of. In any other ordinary quarterback or quarterback
Speaker 3: in the NFL, they it's shut down right the ball
Speaker 3: you'd see their sack. You got to throw the ball away,
Speaker 3: do something like that where all of a sudden they
Speaker 3: scramble out, they make a play, they go take off
Speaker 3: for thirty thirty yards and just break a defensive spirit.
Speaker 3: And that's the special unique qualities that those two guys possess.
Speaker 3: And Joe Burrow, don't get me wrong, not taking anything
Speaker 3: away from he's just not the same athlete, but he
Speaker 3: does it in a different way.
Speaker 2: I mean, through for almost five thousand yards.
Speaker 6: It's absurd.
Speaker 2: He had no defense, no defense they had.
Speaker 1: They had no defense, like they had to outscore everybody
Speaker 1: he had. His margin of error was so small because
Speaker 1: if he had a mid game, they for sure were
Speaker 1: going to lose right.
Speaker 3: I mean they lost one game with a botch snap
Speaker 3: on a field goal for a game win a field goal.
Speaker 3: The New England game was the only game in which
Speaker 3: he really struggled where the offense didn't get it going.
Speaker 3: Other than that, you go back even the Kansas City
Speaker 3: Chiefs game early in the season, they throw up a
Speaker 3: prayer at the end of the game, the guy makes
Speaker 3: a contact sets up the long field goal at the
Speaker 3: end of the game.
Speaker 6: They lose that game. So they lost. What were they
Speaker 6: early to start the season, they had won.
Speaker 1: In four I think they won four and then it
Speaker 1: just got worse because they were like, well, you can't
Speaker 1: lose anymore. Yeah, They're like, well, really, I can't lose
Speaker 1: anymore if any of those guys have that season independent
Speaker 1: of the other two guys. They're all three the MVP,
Speaker 1: and we're like, this is one of the greatest seasons
Speaker 1: in quarterback history, but all three are at the same time.
Speaker 1: It is the Golden Age. It's the redeemed team of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: There's a video from like two years ago. Tim mcgrawl myself,
Speaker 1: we were in Vegas. It was a professional setting. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to know Tim faith pretty well.
Speaker 2: He's awesome.
Speaker 6: I've heard nothing amazing things about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't know him in his wild timocraw
Speaker 1: days only. I only know him when in his I'm
Speaker 1: going to be an adult and be really cool person days.
Speaker 1: Because some people like he used to go hard, like
Speaker 1: from what I hear, I actually kind of want to
Speaker 1: see that side of it. Well, I don't have the story.
Speaker 1: You don't want to bring it up.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you don't want him to
Speaker 3: go back into that dark place or maybe.
Speaker 1: Like him, but she has any punching horses and stuff like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that version. And people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Mara, I know, super cool, super nice, extremely
Speaker 1: generous with this time timmogral and it's it's really cool
Speaker 1: that I know.
Speaker 2: So he came on, but he was a crazy athlete.
Speaker 1: But the story is we were in Vegas together and
Speaker 1: we're hanging out a little before we're doing It's a
Speaker 1: professional and we're about to go it's a TV hit
Speaker 1: and I'm with Tim and I don't know one minute
Speaker 1: before or camera goes dude, and it's on video you
Speaker 1: see him take his fingers and put him into my
Speaker 1: nose and rip a nose hair out because it was
Speaker 1: a little longer than it should have been.
Speaker 2: Like, that's the kind of dude he is.
Speaker 3: You can tell he's a meticulous dude when it comes
Speaker 3: to just prep and making sure he looks right.
Speaker 2: And making sure his boy look good too. He went,
Speaker 2: thank god, he got that hair thumb and forefinger right
Speaker 2: into my nose hole.
Speaker 1: Didn't ask, didn't need to Tim McGraw's permission to go
Speaker 1: into any hole of mine with any fingers amount of fingers.
Speaker 1: He wants wide open so much he went in I
Speaker 1: have in the videos hilarious and he goes boom, rips
Speaker 1: it out and I go and they're like and go.
Speaker 2: Then we're on.
Speaker 1: And that is my relationship with Tim McGrath and crazy athlete.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that here. He is now country
Speaker 1: superstar Tim McGrath. Hey, Tim, I didn't want to give
Speaker 1: all the details to Matt because I wanted you to
Speaker 1: do it because when you do it, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Will you tell Matt, let's start with your basketball career.
Speaker 1: Would you mind throwing some stats at Matt about your
Speaker 1: basketball career in high school?
Speaker 5: Well, I know one particular stat you're talking about. I
Speaker 5: was a pretty good baller in high school, I think
Speaker 5: my senior year. And you know, you guys are a
Speaker 5: lot younger than me, so we didn't have three pointers
Speaker 5: when I was playing high school basketball. So so my
Speaker 5: senior year I think I have it was well, I know,
Speaker 5: I averaged twenty eight points a game.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight point yeah, i'd say classifies as baller status.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah for a little guy. I mean I'm
Speaker 5: under six foot. Well, right, you are six foot on
Speaker 5: your program five or eleven, you know, regular. But but
Speaker 5: uh yeah, and I had I have one particularly good
Speaker 5: game where I scored fifty fours that.
Speaker 6: Was that's great.
Speaker 5: Did you ever think it wouldn't have It wouldn't have
Speaker 5: done any good for us to have three pointers anyway,
Speaker 5: because I couldn't shoot from the outside to save my ass, so.
Speaker 1: We never practiced it though, right, it's not you say that,
Speaker 1: but I imagine if there would have been a three
Speaker 1: point line. And like you do everything else, you are
Speaker 1: a perfectionist in many ways, and I'm sure you drive
Speaker 1: yourself crazy being such a perfectionist. Don't you know you'd
Speaker 1: have been in the gym for gym ratting it behind
Speaker 1: that three point to him, I.
Speaker 5: Would have, but I don't know that it would have
Speaker 5: done me much good, because anything out of fifteen feet
Speaker 5: I've had very good. I'd like to slash and drive.
Speaker 3: So you scored fifty four points with no three pointers
Speaker 3: and all within the fifteen feet of hitting the basket.
Speaker 3: That's that's incredible.
Speaker 5: Actually, you know, I might have stuck a twenty five
Speaker 5: footer in there every now, but most of the time
Speaker 5: we're slashing and driving. Yeah, you know, it's just one
Speaker 5: of those games, you know what I'm talking about, Matt
Speaker 5: when you just and you played ball too, Bobby, It's just,
Speaker 5: you know, one of those games where you sort of
Speaker 5: just sort of out of your body. And I had
Speaker 5: the flu that game as well, and I thought I
Speaker 5: did poorly. I saw the score.
Speaker 2: Being from Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Was there this Pete Maravich dream and you wanted to
Speaker 1: mimic that a bit?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I grew up loving Pete Pistol Pete,
Speaker 5: you know, and in fact, that was sort of my
Speaker 5: nickname at basketball camp, and when I went to basketball
Speaker 5: camp a couple of years at Northeast Louisiana University which
Speaker 5: is now University of Louisiana Monroe, and that's where I
Speaker 5: ended up going to college. But I went to basketball
Speaker 5: camp there, and that was sort of my nickname was
Speaker 5: Pistol Peak. Not that I was playing as good as
Speaker 5: Pistol p because there were a lot better players than
Speaker 5: I was at that camp, just because I had the
Speaker 5: same sort of bowl haircut.
Speaker 6: Now, did you get recruited for anybody for basketball?
Speaker 5: I did? I had. I had five or six good offers.
Speaker 5: I had offers in all three sports, five or sist
Speaker 5: scients in basketball. But like I said, when I graduated
Speaker 5: high school, I was probably five ten barely and one
Speaker 5: hundred and forty pounds, so there wasn't much much use
Speaker 5: for me except for probably meat on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: Okay, give us your other high school career highlights. You
Speaker 1: said three different sports. I'm assuming baseball, football, basketball, because i'
Speaker 1: from the South.
Speaker 2: There's really only three we had. It wasn't like we
Speaker 2: had lacrosse.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was the first one to break through in volleyball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, give us your give us a basketball,
Speaker 1: baseball highlight, and a football highlight.
Speaker 5: Let's see football highlight. Well, my second game in high school,
Speaker 5: I got concussed. On the first play. I was wide
Speaker 5: receiver and I was playing in a tight formation and
Speaker 5: gat blocked on the defensive tackle. Running back came through
Speaker 5: the hole and hit me in the head with his shoulder,
Speaker 5: So I was concussed for the rest of the game.
Speaker 5: But I got two interceptions and had three touchdown receptions,
Speaker 5: so I don't remember any other He.
Speaker 6: Had fifty four points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets a concussion and he just balls out
Speaker 3: of his mind.
Speaker 2: Two interceptions. Unreal baseball.
Speaker 5: H my last time at bat in high school baseball,
Speaker 5: hit a home run, very last time. That's sort of
Speaker 5: my walk off baseball career right there.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 6: I mean, is there anything better than the close out
Speaker 6: a career?
Speaker 5: Now, you're now going to get calls from all my
Speaker 5: high school buddy say, you know, he's exaggerating. You know,
Speaker 5: that was twenty four points when he was twenty two.
Speaker 5: Now that he's now the fifty seven, it's fifty four points.
Speaker 5: So you know it, girls exponentially.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: You get get a little bit more every every single
Speaker 3: time that you get a little bit older.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and luckily there's no Internet back then.
Speaker 2: So that's true. But then if there were you could
Speaker 2: have been recruited.
Speaker 1: You've been a four star for sure, like all three
Speaker 1: even at h and just an athlete.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't know what to do with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, luckily I grew a couple of
Speaker 5: inches around twenty years old. But here's what I always say,
Speaker 5: because baseball was probably my best avenue because of my size.
Speaker 5: But I always say that had I grown a couple
Speaker 5: extra inches in high school, it would have been a
Speaker 5: big curse for me because my problem. You would have
Speaker 5: been stuck in double A ball for about ten years
Speaker 5: and then ended up not having anything to do with
Speaker 5: my life except for say I played double A ball.
Speaker 5: That lifestyle, Yeah, it was the lass thing that I
Speaker 5: didn't grow till later.
Speaker 1: I would say the minor league ball lifestyle and the
Speaker 1: musician lifestyle, though like, are very similar because it's really
Speaker 1: hard to make it to the pros. It's really hard
Speaker 1: to actually have a little extra money just period doing
Speaker 1: something creative like being an artist. I would say both
Speaker 1: of those are professions I would never want my kids
Speaker 1: to do. They just demanded they had to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just just something that you just can't talk
Speaker 5: about for sure. I mean, and look, you know, in
Speaker 5: this as you know, in this business, that's a very
Speaker 5: good comparison of playing minor league ball and then hoping
Speaker 5: to make it to the majors one day, because that's
Speaker 5: what we were doing. We were playing clubs back in
Speaker 5: the day, when we were in a van pulling a
Speaker 5: U haul all over the country and playing in all
Speaker 5: these five hundred and six hundred seat clubs, and you know,
Speaker 5: just hoping to have a chance to play a bigger
Speaker 5: club is all we were hoping back then. And then
Speaker 5: certainly it was a pipe dreamer even get a record
Speaker 5: deal and to have something happen after that. So, knock
Speaker 5: on wood, it worked out. I'm glad I picked this
Speaker 5: profession as opposed to to trying my hand at minor
Speaker 5: league baseball.
Speaker 3: Now, in terms of just where your influences came from
Speaker 3: music and when did you start playing music and the
Speaker 3: passion that you have for it, because obviously we're listening
Speaker 3: to everything that you accomplished from a sports standpoint, but
Speaker 3: when did music come to the forefront for you?
Speaker 5: Well, I was always loved music. I mean even as
Speaker 5: a little kid, I knew every song on the radio.
Speaker 5: My mom really loved music and my mom played music
Speaker 5: all the time, and she would sing with every song
Speaker 5: on the radio, and we would sing together as we
Speaker 5: were driving around. I remember, like three or four years old,
Speaker 5: singing every song on the radio along with her. So
Speaker 5: I always loved music, and you know, I was in
Speaker 5: a couple of plays in high school and sang and
Speaker 5: singing church a lot. And then when I got into college,
Speaker 5: you know, then I got into sports off through high school,
Speaker 5: and then I got into college, and I actually my
Speaker 5: freshman summer of college, I went to a pawn shop
Speaker 5: and pawned my high school ring and bought a guitar,
Speaker 5: and then I taught myself to play guitar over the
Speaker 5: summer and ended up with about fifty songs and started
Speaker 5: playing at a catfish house for tips with just me
Speaker 5: and the guitar. And that was and after that, it
Speaker 5: was just there was no going back. That's all I
Speaker 5: wanted to do from that point forward.
Speaker 2: Did you get the ring back? We got to know that.
Speaker 2: Did you ever go back and read buy the ring?
Speaker 5: My grandfather went back and got the ring for me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so I did get it back.
Speaker 6: That's unreal because I only.
Speaker 5: Got twenty five bucks for it. What they give you
Speaker 5: for it, a ukulele, a guitar that was about twenty
Speaker 5: five bucks. Work was about work ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just can't believe that he
Speaker 3: taught himself how to play the guitar on his own,
Speaker 3: because you know, with all the apps nowadays that can
Speaker 3: kind of teach you how to play the guitar. I
Speaker 3: have one, and I still can only riff about three
Speaker 3: different songs.
Speaker 2: That's about all I can do.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a disconnect between my brain
Speaker 3: and my left hand, but it's just not working for
Speaker 3: me right now.
Speaker 5: Well you haven't. You obviously haven't heard me playing guitar
Speaker 5: because I'm not that great. I learned just enough to
Speaker 5: write songs and know that the chicks don't it.
Speaker 4: What was what was it about you or what was
Speaker 4: it that you wrote or what song was it that
Speaker 4: made somebody pay attention to you going we can actually
Speaker 4: make some money with him.
Speaker 1: It could have been like you're touring your a fan base,
Speaker 1: a song you wrote, you singing, like, what was the
Speaker 1: first thing that you did that actually made someone go,
Speaker 1: we think we want to put some money behind this guy.
Speaker 5: I think it was probably us playing live because we
Speaker 5: played down at Printer's Alley all the time. When I
Speaker 5: first moved to Nashville a place called Skull's Rainbow Room,
Speaker 5: and it's still there, but it's a whole different vibe
Speaker 5: than it used to be. So I was part of
Speaker 5: the house band there with a guy named Jimmy Snyder,
Speaker 5: and so I was played in there every night, and
Speaker 5: a couple of guys came in to see me. And
Speaker 5: I think it was more just the way we performed live,
Speaker 5: not so much as great singing or great songs or
Speaker 5: anything like that. I think it was just our energy
Speaker 5: that we had live. And I had scraped up enough
Speaker 5: money and I had enough musician friends that I did
Speaker 5: this showcase at a place called Diamond in the Rough
Speaker 5: that used to be down on Broadway years ago, and
Speaker 5: I think I had like a ten piece band. All
Speaker 5: of my friends were playing, and I invited everybody in town.
Speaker 5: And Byron Gallimore called me back to come visit with him,
Speaker 5: and he became my producer and still is my producer.
Speaker 5: And he took me to Curb Records, he and James Stroud,
Speaker 5: and that's how I got my record.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable because I've actually been to one of your concerts.
Speaker 3: I was in Kansas City and I remember I was
Speaker 3: down in the facility one day and it's before the
Speaker 3: day of the concert, and I walked down I think
Speaker 3: it might have been a Saturday or something like that,
Speaker 3: and you're in the weight room getting after it, I mean,
Speaker 3: and so I walk in. I just see this guy
Speaker 3: and he's ripped up. He's got his cutoff shirt. I
Speaker 3: think you were wearing a bandana on your head. And
Speaker 3: I asked, I asked my strength conditioning coach. I said, hey, coach,
Speaker 3: who is that. He's like, dude, that's Tim McGraw. He's
Speaker 3: getting after it. I was like, I can see that.
Speaker 3: I mean, is that something that you do on tour?
Speaker 3: Is that something that just because I know obviously you're
Speaker 3: always in shape every time I've ever seen you, But
Speaker 3: is it something you go around and anytime you can
Speaker 3: get a workout in you do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's part of the routine every day, and most
Speaker 5: of the band guts too. It's just part of our
Speaker 5: everyday routine and it's been that way for gosh fifteen
Speaker 5: years now. We don't feel the same if we don't
Speaker 5: get a workout in during the day, and we have
Speaker 5: a gym that travels with us and it looks like
Speaker 5: a prison yard, have ropes and chains and tire and
Speaker 5: everything outside the bus. And so we get in two
Speaker 5: or three workouts a day when we're on the road.
Speaker 6: All right, let's get it. Let's get this.
Speaker 5: It keeps us out of trouble. Put it for a
Speaker 5: lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels time, all right, and you're on the road,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of freaking time. Okay, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: personal here and see how you feel about this last season.
Speaker 1: LSU Brian Kelly. I know a lot of people have
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to say, Tim, What do you
Speaker 1: got to say?
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, Look, that's just such a tough
Speaker 5: gig anymore to coach college players, I think with all
Speaker 5: the new money coming in and these guys don't on
Speaker 5: a list, don't. I don't want to put anybody down.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to say that college players don't listen
Speaker 5: because I don't know them that well. But I can
Speaker 5: imagine trying to be a college coach where you used
Speaker 5: to have a complete control and everybody doing exactly what
Speaker 5: you say and when you say to do it how
Speaker 5: you say to do it, and then you got these
Speaker 5: guys now that are not that I'm against them being
Speaker 5: able to eat and make It's not that I'm in
Speaker 5: four or against any of that stuff. It just seems
Speaker 5: like it makes the job of coaching tougher in that environment,
Speaker 5: because it's tough enough NFL when you're dealing with grown
Speaker 5: men with careers and making business decisions every day about
Speaker 5: their career and how long they're going to be around
Speaker 5: and the things they're going to do, and what's good
Speaker 5: for them, what's good for the body, what's good for
Speaker 5: the team, that calculust and that alchemy that all comes
Speaker 5: into effect. I just think that it makes it really
Speaker 5: tough to coach college college football these days, and it
Speaker 5: takes a really strong personality to go in there and
Speaker 5: do that. Brian Kelly's a great coach now, who knows
Speaker 5: if his style is going to work with a team
Speaker 5: like LSU or not.
Speaker 2: It is wild.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to be a coach right now in
Speaker 3: college football with the NIL the transfer portal, you're you
Speaker 3: have to recruit people you go into and I I
Speaker 3: mean in the transfer portal to recruit more guys that
Speaker 3: come in. But in addition to that, you got to
Speaker 3: recruit your own players. Every single year, these guys come
Speaker 3: in and say, hey, coach, look, if you want me
Speaker 3: for the ball game, I'm gonna I'm gonna need another.
Speaker 6: Two hundred grand. You know, like that's that's the nature
Speaker 6: of the beast now, right.
Speaker 5: And then how do you do that as a coach,
Speaker 5: And how do you how do you do that as
Speaker 5: a coach, and how do you do as as an
Speaker 5: organization and a coaching organization and still be able to
Speaker 5: let lay your game plan down, put these guys in
Speaker 5: a position to win, put these guys in the right
Speaker 5: mindset to win, make these guys play as a team.
Speaker 5: It's just tough all the way around. And look, it's
Speaker 5: people are going to evolve with it. Coaches are going
Speaker 5: to evolve with it. The coaches are going to learn
Speaker 5: how to do it in a different way. I'm sure.
Speaker 5: But there is a curve that's going on right now.
Speaker 1: I don't want to reveal the great Mighty eyes. So
Speaker 1: if this is the secret that you don't feel like sharing,
Speaker 1: I'll start. If I'm doing a stand up show to
Speaker 1: theater or even in my television contracts, if Arkansas is
Speaker 1: playing football and I am working, or if it's a
Speaker 1: night game, I'll have a small screen on a monitor
Speaker 1: I will have because I can't watch a game recorded
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. A recorded game I cannot go to afterward
Speaker 1: because I can't it's on my phone everywhere. So I
Speaker 1: will have a monitor at all times so I can
Speaker 1: watch the game. If there is a big LSU game,
Speaker 1: tim and you are on stage, how are you getting
Speaker 1: information fed to you.
Speaker 5: Through my ears? Through my inner monitors? My guy helped
Speaker 5: heath on the side, always telling me to score, and
Speaker 5: he also used to do that when my kids were
Speaker 5: in high school and one of my daughters was a cheerleader,
Speaker 5: so we went to all the high school games and
Speaker 5: we were really invested in Amsworth High School football, so
Speaker 5: we tailgated and all stuff. So when I was when
Speaker 5: I happened to be on stage and there was a
Speaker 5: game going on, I was getting fed scores right in
Speaker 5: the middle of songs. So if I dropped the word
Speaker 5: because I'm happy about the score.
Speaker 2: Do you have an NFL team as well?
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously your ties to Nashville, maybe the Titans,
Speaker 3: but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, who's who's your nff T.
Speaker 5: I root for the Titans, of course, because of being
Speaker 5: in Nashville and I and I root for the Eagles
Speaker 5: because I have two brothers that live in Philly and
Speaker 5: my of course, my dad played ball in Philly and
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time there, and I grew up
Speaker 5: in Louisiana, so I'm still a Saints fan at heart
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw them out into the bush just
Speaker 1: a little bit, But I don't know if he's going
Speaker 1: to say anything about it since you're here.
Speaker 2: But he was before you came on.
Speaker 1: I was actually telling him, like, Tim's like a normal dude,
Speaker 1: like love hanging around Tim Love, hang around his wife,
Speaker 1: Like they're like as normal people as he can be.
Speaker 1: And he was like, he's such a good app oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and he brings it upbout it, So I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: him take it from here.
Speaker 2: But he was saying that, and I just wanted to
Speaker 2: say it to your face. I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I love your music.
Speaker 3: But then when I watched eighteen eighty three and I
Speaker 3: saw you out on that screen, and you've done a
Speaker 3: number of different things I've been impressed with, but you're
Speaker 3: as good of actor as you are a performer and singer.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's incredible, But did you Is it something
Speaker 3: that just came naturally for you? Because I think that
Speaker 3: that would be difficult. But that role, it was such
Speaker 3: an intense role. You had such a pivotal role in
Speaker 3: just the overall show. It was incredible.
Speaker 5: Oh thank you man. It was a lot of fun
Speaker 5: to do that. You know, I grew up riding horses
Speaker 5: and being in that world, so for me, it was
Speaker 5: playground all day every day. Just being able to go
Speaker 5: out and do the stunts and ride wide open and
Speaker 5: wrote things. It was. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: And in faith learned how to drive those wagons really
Speaker 5: really good. I mean she's actually driving the wagons through
Speaker 5: the rivers and those were old, original wagons. There was
Speaker 5: nothing modern about them. So she really did a good
Speaker 5: job learning that. As far as the actings, you know,
Speaker 5: it's one of those things that if you're in the
Speaker 5: entertainment business in general and being a musician and you
Speaker 5: have some success, those things start coming to you. You start
Speaker 5: getting chances to do that. And early in my career
Speaker 5: when I had some success, I was getting some opportunities
Speaker 5: to do some acting, but I wasn't ready for it
Speaker 5: to do. What I didn't want to do is, you know,
Speaker 5: have my career going really well and then go try
Speaker 5: something new and really suck at it and then ruin
Speaker 5: my other career because that's the last I mean, because
Speaker 5: then it takes away everything cool that you have going
Speaker 5: on if you go and be really uncool and suck
Speaker 5: at something else. And so I wasn't going to do
Speaker 5: it for a long time. And then somebody skipped sent
Speaker 5: me the script for Friday Night Lights and I read
Speaker 5: the script and instantly it registered to me. With all
Speaker 5: the athletics that I grew up with and all the
Speaker 5: sports I grew up doing, and all the dads that
Speaker 5: I saw around, I knew that guy. I seen that guy,
Speaker 5: or or a conglomeration of that guy at every ball
Speaker 5: game I was ever at, and it just struck me instantly.
Speaker 5: So I know that guy. I can play that guy.
Speaker 5: And I went an audition and got the role for it.
Speaker 5: Well I'm glad I did, because that turned out to
Speaker 5: be an incredible experience in a great movie.
Speaker 1: How'd you go about watching yourself back? And then what
Speaker 1: about like you watch it as like game tape? And
Speaker 1: I could do this better, I could do that better.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I don't like to watch myself back at
Speaker 5: all on special movies because all I see is me
Speaker 5: trying to play somebody else. But that's because I know
Speaker 5: me so well and I know what I'm doing stuff
Speaker 5: that nobody else will notice. But I noticed that I'm
Speaker 5: doing it, so I try to I don't watch it, like,
Speaker 5: for instance, a movie called Four Christmases I've never seen, never,
Speaker 5: never see it for a couple of reasons. For the
Speaker 5: main reason, I think I was two hundred and fifteen
Speaker 5: pounds when we shot that movie, and my kids were little,
Speaker 5: and we went to the theater to watch some Christmas movies
Speaker 5: and me not thinking at all anything about the four
Speaker 5: Christmas movie that I'd shot, And sure enough, the first
Speaker 5: trailer that popped up on the screen was the four
Speaker 5: Christmas Movie. In my face, my face looked like a
Speaker 5: Macy's Thanksgiving Day balloon, and my daughter looked at me, says, geez, Dad,
Speaker 5: you gotta do something. And from that point, that's when
Speaker 5: I started getting in shape. You were talking about getting
Speaker 5: out of shape and getting a gym and hustling every
Speaker 5: day before a show. That's when it started as well.
Speaker 5: My daughter saw my face on the screen for four
Speaker 5: Christmases and said that to me.
Speaker 3: You should have just said, hey, look the camera adds
Speaker 3: fifteen pounds. I'm good. I don't have to kill myself
Speaker 3: every day. I'm just it adds a little weight. Okay,
Speaker 3: back off.
Speaker 5: If my kids weren't so smart, I would have said that, Well.
Speaker 1: We love you, buddy, thank you for coming on and
Speaker 1: being on with us. And can't say enough great things
Speaker 1: about you behind your back, so all this stuff in
Speaker 1: front of your back, you know it's real too. So Tim,
Speaker 1: good to see you, and hopefully I'll see you around soon.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you and Matt and me because Matt's.
Speaker 6: A big fan too. Yeah, Tim, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: All right, see pleasure to me you Bobby will see
Speaker 5: it done a row bro.
Speaker 2: Ahl right, buddy, see you later, but I'll take care.
Speaker 1: I think what's weird about the iPhone is that I
Speaker 1: texted you and you text me back.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have the update, but like
Speaker 1: all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff like,
Speaker 1: it's all colored.
Speaker 2: They changed it and the heart's a little pink, so
Speaker 2: you would send me very pink.
Speaker 1: You'd send me a message and I heard it because
Speaker 1: there's certain things you thumbs up and you like, and
Speaker 1: there's some things like, oh like I appreciate that, which
Speaker 1: is more than the thumbs up, and I gave you that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But the heart was a little pink
Speaker 1: to feel. It felt like I told you I loved you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.
Speaker 3: There was something sentimental when you feel like when you
Speaker 3: send it, you was.
Speaker 6: Like, do I send the heart now?
Speaker 2: I don't like the color edition.
Speaker 3: It's extremely pink, and you're just like, I STI don't
Speaker 3: know if that's going to go on.
Speaker 6: I just continue the thumbs up.
Speaker 1: Well, and our relationship is still new, like we just
Speaker 1: like we just started dating. You know, you don't you
Speaker 1: don't just throw the O word around with that. And
Speaker 1: so I just want you to know my pink heart
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna pink heart you say I love you so much?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 2: You know what's cool about the phone now?
Speaker 1: And the update is that you can send texts timed
Speaker 1: meaning oh really, Well, so my problem is I wake
Speaker 1: up at three thirty four in the morning every day,
Speaker 1: right and so, and that's.
Speaker 2: Brutal and I hate it.
Speaker 1: But if people text me at like ten thirty at night,
Speaker 1: I'm not awake. True, So when I wake up and
Speaker 1: I see it, I can't text them back at three
Speaker 1: thirty because they're asleep and I don't want to risk
Speaker 1: waking them up. Even you should even I hear you,
Speaker 1: and everybody should have do not disturb on. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I can't control everybody. If I could, this world will
Speaker 1: be awesome. However, you can now write a text and
Speaker 1: do the and say send at nine am. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: that is revolutionary. I'll take the pink heart for to
Speaker 1: send the text at the time.
Speaker 3: It's it's fascinating, like the technology nowadays and all the
Speaker 3: different little elements that they come up with. And I
Speaker 3: need to go through like the programming and figure out
Speaker 3: how to do all that stuff because I'm not technologically savvy.
Speaker 1: I also see my stuff on TikTok and then I
Speaker 1: learn it. Are you even on TikTok?
Speaker 6: No, I'm not. I gotta get you there, get me there.
Speaker 6: I'll do some dances.
Speaker 1: No, it's that's what everybody love is not dance see
Speaker 1: TikTok has for me. It's not my TikTok world is
Speaker 1: mostly nineties wrestling. Oh it's so good, and that's that's
Speaker 1: what it feeds me. Obviously, sports, a little bit of music,
Speaker 1: and then every once in a while like a funny
Speaker 1: hawk to which she's like saying that funny.
Speaker 2: But mostly it's like like nineties wrestling.
Speaker 3: But okay, I've got now I'm raising daughters in that world,
Speaker 3: and every time I turn around with their friends and stuff,
Speaker 3: and they're they're trying to do a dance and I'm like,
Speaker 3: what are you guys doing? And they're like, so and
Speaker 3: so has TikTok because I won't let my kids have TikTok,
Speaker 3: but they're doing a TikTok dance, so I always associate
Speaker 3: it with that.
Speaker 6: In the adolescence of it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm all against adolescence in general. So that's
Speaker 1: not why I'm there. I want everybody to know what
Speaker 1: you no. I'm taking for me don't need to be there.
Speaker 1: Final question before I wrap this segment. Did you hate
Speaker 1: quarterback sneaks?
Speaker 6: I feel you know what.
Speaker 3: I hated quarterback sneaks when it was third and one,
Speaker 3: fourth and one and everybody knows you're going to quarterback
Speaker 3: sneak because you have to change your feet, right, you
Speaker 3: change your feet, you kind of brace yourself for contact
Speaker 3: and you push and the linebackers always came and just
Speaker 3: tried to decapitate you.
Speaker 1: Now, And that would be the question, like did you
Speaker 1: hate them when they knew it was coming, Like.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You would sometimes have these third and two plays or
Speaker 3: something like that, and you'd come up or even second
Speaker 3: second and one where you're getting down there and we
Speaker 3: always had the ability where we call dog dog and
Speaker 3: it would be on this next sound right, and they
Speaker 3: would say, you've got two open a gaps. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take you. I can get one or two yards, get
Speaker 3: the first down, stin drive whatever. But when you get
Speaker 3: down there and you know it's third and one and
Speaker 3: they know it's third and one, and you're like that's
Speaker 3: something that you do. You're like, oh god, all right,
Speaker 3: let's just suck this one up and and you snap
Speaker 3: it and you just get slaughtered. And some of them hurt,
Speaker 3: some of them are more of a glancing bub but
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna get hit, and then you can't
Speaker 3: complain because you're running back back there gets twenty five.
Speaker 3: If you're twenty five, carries a game and he gets
Speaker 3: demolished and keeps getting back up, coming to the huddles
Speaker 3: to go for that though.
Speaker 6: I know that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Belichick always used to say when I would take off
Speaker 3: and run, especially when I was younger, and he'd be like, Castle, look,
Speaker 3: do you think we want you running the football?
Speaker 6: No, we don't want you.
Speaker 3: We pay this guy your running backs, and you start
Speaker 3: naming off all the running backs we pay them to
Speaker 3: run the football. Don't run the football, Throw the thing
Speaker 3: away and live for the next day.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, would you ever get a backup
Speaker 1: or third string center? And you're like, this is not
Speaker 1: going to be my day.
Speaker 6: It's my worst nightmare.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't even just the quarterbacks neat because those
Speaker 3: are pretty aggressive for him too, because he knows there's
Speaker 3: a nose guard usually over his face where he knows
Speaker 3: that the snap's got to be clean, and so he's
Speaker 3: it's got it's a difficult job. But when you had
Speaker 3: a backup center in the game that you haven't got
Speaker 3: a lot of reps with, there's nothing more embarrassing for
Speaker 3: a quarterback than to fumble a snap, and we still
Speaker 3: see it.
Speaker 6: It's the most elementary part of the game. Right. You
Speaker 6: do it when you're a young kid.
Speaker 3: You take the snap from from center, but when all
Speaker 3: of a sudden you're a little bit off with your
Speaker 3: hand placement and you haven't got a lot of reps.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. That And then add on rain. One game,
Speaker 3: Ryan Lilja or guard had to get moved to center
Speaker 3: and it was raining against San Diego. We fumbled the
Speaker 3: first two snaps. It was I was like, please Lord,
Speaker 3: so please help me.
Speaker 1: There is something to having repetition with the center, like
Speaker 1: every snap, or is every center, because I've also had
Speaker 1: a deep long snapper, right, But every center is different.
Speaker 6: Every center is a little bit different.
Speaker 3: They have a different feel the way the ball comes up,
Speaker 3: the velocity in which it hits your hands. And if
Speaker 3: sometimes when you get a center that maybe is not
Speaker 3: on task as much. They you know, you're down here
Speaker 3: with this with your hands like this, they shoot your
Speaker 3: hands and then it'll go right through your because it
Speaker 3: won't hit it won't hit your palm up top, which
Speaker 3: that's really the aiming point. But then also the just
Speaker 3: the length of their arm changes where they hit on
Speaker 3: their butt.
Speaker 2: Right, So some centers you want to get way underneath.
Speaker 3: Other centers you can go further back because they got
Speaker 3: longer arms, and that's just where they like to naturally
Speaker 3: hit you. So that's what I'm talking about. It is
Speaker 3: just these subtle changes that make all the difference.
Speaker 1: That's why I wouldn't be an offensive line coach. I'd
Speaker 1: be an offensive coordinator because I didn't know that. See that,
Speaker 1: I'll admit I don't know the link of the arms center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: makes a difference.
Speaker 3: And there's nothing worse than when they forget that we're
Speaker 3: doing a double cadence and they snap the ball when
Speaker 3: you're not ready for it, and it jams your middle
Speaker 3: finger and you feel like you broke all the fingers
Speaker 3: in your hand. That's awesome too, And then you gotta
Speaker 3: jump on it and go.
Speaker 2: Coach.
Speaker 6: That was my fault, Coach, that was my fault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not, I would quit my offensive coordinator duties.
Speaker 6: No, you definitely just m fs the entire time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm already there, already already from home, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: why are you so stupid out there? I literally never
Speaker 1: played a down of professional football so this is gonna
Speaker 1: be called confirmer deny. I'm an uneducated with massive opinion person.
Speaker 2: Okay, confirmer deny, got it. You are a wildly.
Speaker 1: Educated when it comes to NFL, and you can confirm
Speaker 1: my opinion or you can deny my opinion.
Speaker 6: I think this is going to be really interesting and.
Speaker 2: My feelings will always be hurt.
Speaker 6: All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Number one, Will Evis is a bad quarterback. Confirmer deny.
Speaker 1: It came strong with that right off the bat. I
Speaker 1: will confirm that. Now. That doesn't mean that I can't
Speaker 1: explain myself, right.
Speaker 2: I hope you do, because I have thoughts too, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're wrong.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, though, Well, some of it has to do
Speaker 3: with right now, the situation of the offensive unit, offensive
Speaker 3: line struggles, the weapons that they have on the outside.
Speaker 3: I know they went out and got Ridley, but he
Speaker 3: doesn't have a number two or a number three guy
Speaker 3: that he really can depend on. And part of this
Speaker 3: also is him growing up in the NFL with a
Speaker 3: bad team, and it's tough.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of stress with that.
Speaker 3: In addition to that, you have to play damn near
Speaker 3: perfect because your defense is given up a lot of points.
Speaker 3: You have to score consistently because you're probably playing from behind,
Speaker 3: and then when you're not protected, the sense of urgency
Speaker 3: for a quarterback goes off right, and so you're getting
Speaker 3: rid of the ball when you shouldn't, or you're trying
Speaker 3: to make a play you shouldn't. Like you saw early
Speaker 3: in the season with the lateral the bad interceptions, you
Speaker 3: know where you're forcing things that otherwise you wouldn't do
Speaker 3: as a quarterback. So but if you're going to look
Speaker 3: at it statistically, turnover issues all that, I would have
Speaker 3: to confirm that.
Speaker 1: So then you would say, so I say Will Loves
Speaker 1: is the bad quarterback, but you would say Will Loves
Speaker 1: is a bad quarterback dot dot dot. But his potential
Speaker 1: is blank.
Speaker 6: His potential is blank.
Speaker 3: I believe that his potential is that he can become
Speaker 3: a solid quarterback in the NFL. And the reason I
Speaker 3: say that is you'll see him make the wild throw
Speaker 3: and there'll be sequences throughout the course of a game
Speaker 3: where you'll have nine completions in a row and then
Speaker 3: he'll make the big mistake. And the biggest thing for
Speaker 3: any quarterback is you just can't put your team in
Speaker 3: a bad situation, and by that, I mean turnover the ball,
Speaker 3: give him a short field. Even when you go back
Speaker 3: early in the season against Chicago, Chicago had like just
Speaker 3: over one hundred yards in that game offensively, and the
Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans lost that game, and part of it was
Speaker 3: because of his turnovers. And so he's got to learn.
Speaker 3: And I think that that's what the Tennessee Titans are
Speaker 3: doing right now. They've got to find out if he's
Speaker 3: the guy for the future, if they see development, and
Speaker 3: I believe he has gotten better throughout the course of
Speaker 3: the year, but they have to make a decision too
Speaker 3: moving forward. Is this the guy because we're going to
Speaker 3: have to build around him this offseason, and do we
Speaker 3: believe he's the guy or do we have to go
Speaker 3: out and look for somebody else.
Speaker 2: Do you think he will be with the Titans next year.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I still think he's on a rookie contract that's favorable
Speaker 3: to them. So even if they go out and get
Speaker 3: a veteran's veteran presence, bring them in to compete for
Speaker 3: the job and be a guy that maybe sits there
Speaker 3: and learns behind a veteran, they have the ability to
Speaker 3: do that because his contract's not so obs out there
Speaker 3: and huge.
Speaker 2: Look at me positive and educated. You know two things
Speaker 2: we like. You know I'm uneducated. No, No, I mean because.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times we pigeonhole these quarterbacks
Speaker 3: when they're not having really good years or they're having
Speaker 3: a down year.
Speaker 6: But you have to look at it holistically.
Speaker 3: You can't take this micro approach and say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: he's the reason why, because the quarterback is going to
Speaker 3: get most of the credit when things go well. They're
Speaker 3: going to get a lot of credit when things go bad.
Speaker 3: And it's it doesn't always tell the story because there's
Speaker 3: so many different factors to not only being a good
Speaker 3: team but also being a good quarterback. You have to
Speaker 3: have the surrounding pieces because no, I don't care who
Speaker 3: you are. If you put Patrick Mahomes on a really,
Speaker 3: really bad team, you'll see him struggle At times.
Speaker 1: I will say Will Levis looks better than any football
Speaker 1: player in their uniform in the NFL period.
Speaker 2: He's ripped, he is, Oh, he looks the best. The
Speaker 2: dude's jacked.
Speaker 1: I saw him this Saturday. We were in the same place.
Speaker 1: He's getting some treatment done. I've been a little I
Speaker 1: love something and he was getting some stuff done and
Speaker 1: I saw him and I think he's been garbage as
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'm not saying he will always be garbage,
Speaker 1: but he's been garbage. It's been my uneducated opinion. And
Speaker 1: but I've said it a few times and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: Will Loves comes up to me and says, hey, you
Speaker 1: been saying I'm garbage?
Speaker 2: What I would say?
Speaker 3: I want to be prepared the most awkward situation when
Speaker 3: somebody calls you out.
Speaker 1: So I, no, I don't want to be the guys
Speaker 1: like no, audn't say that because I did. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean as a person, but for me just watching on TV,
Speaker 1: he's been really bad and the Titans have also been
Speaker 1: really bad, right, And.
Speaker 2: So I thought, if he comes up to me and
Speaker 2: he says, what are you saying?
Speaker 6: I was garbage?
Speaker 1: My response was going to be this, what would you
Speaker 1: say about if I were me watching you on television?
Speaker 2: And I think he'd probably been like that same, that's strong,
Speaker 2: strong comeback right there. I was prepared for that. I
Speaker 2: was ready, though, it's just in case, am I going
Speaker 2: to confirm or deny that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's gonna be a tough one.
Speaker 2: All right, confirmer, Deny McCarthy's a good football coach in Dallas.
Speaker 2: He's a good football coach.
Speaker 3: I'm going to confirm that McCarthy is a good football coach.
Speaker 3: His track record speaks for itself. This guy won a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl with the Bay Packers. Now, some of the
Speaker 3: decision makings, that decision making that he's had throughout his
Speaker 3: tenure with Dallas, and I'm talking mainly situational football into
Speaker 3: the game stuff where you should take a time out
Speaker 3: or you shouldn't take a time out. Stuff like that
Speaker 3: have been a little bit concerning, maybe lost an edge
Speaker 3: at a certain point. But then again, when you look
Speaker 3: at this team, they've also been devastated with injury as well.
Speaker 3: When you I played for the Dallas Cowboys, when you're there,
Speaker 3: everybody watches you, whether you're good or bad. But every
Speaker 3: year the expectation is Super Bowl or bust.
Speaker 2: I like McCarthy. I'm not a Cowboys fan, but I
Speaker 2: like Macarthy. I think, you know, his contracts up this year.
Speaker 1: I think they give him another year unless they can,
Speaker 1: Unless they for sure can get like a Rabel, right.
Speaker 3: You'd have to get a brand name and somebody also
Speaker 3: that fits into that world because Jerry. This organization's run
Speaker 3: by Jerry Jones, and you have to have a relationship
Speaker 3: with him and you have to take the.
Speaker 2: Good and the bad.
Speaker 6: Like when we were done with games.
Speaker 3: This is the only place I've ever been that this happened,
Speaker 3: that Jerry Jones would speak to the team before Garrett
Speaker 3: would speak to the team. Like I've never had an
Speaker 3: owner company after a game and be the first one
Speaker 3: to speak. But you just it's understood. And I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what. He's an incredible owner. He'll do anything for
Speaker 3: his team, but he wants to win, but everything goes
Speaker 3: through him. So sometimes I think that head coach ownership
Speaker 3: relationship gets a little bit blurred because of that reason.
Speaker 1: I am extremely biased and again not a Cowboys fan. However,
Speaker 1: I emailed the Dallas Cowboys. Next thing, you know me,
Speaker 1: my buddy Eddie, who's at Dallas Cowboys fan. We're in
Speaker 1: Jerry's chopper with Jerry. Yeah, with the headset on. Jerry's
Speaker 1: like taking us to it.
Speaker 6: We run a suite. He took.
Speaker 2: It was the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 1: I love Jerry Jones, and only because he replied to
Speaker 1: an email and then let me come and do everything
Speaker 1: with him one day.
Speaker 3: I love Jerry Jones. And it started when I got
Speaker 3: traded from the Buffalo Bills week three to Dallas. My
Speaker 3: wife was thirty four weeks pregnant. So the next day
Speaker 3: I jump on a plane. I get on Southwest and
Speaker 3: go to Dallas. But I was like, one of my
Speaker 3: concerns was getting my family to Dallas because she wasn't
Speaker 3: really supposed to fly. He's like, don't wear a mat.
Speaker 3: I'll take care of it. He also his first statement
Speaker 3: out of his mouth was Matt, welcome to the greatest
Speaker 3: franchise in all NFL.
Speaker 6: Like that, I was like, yes, this is awesome.
Speaker 3: But he sent a plane out to get my family
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, and he's like, be discreet about it. You
Speaker 3: don't need to tell anybody. Well, my wife walks up,
Speaker 3: takes a picture. It's got the huge Dallas Cowboys star
Speaker 3: on the side. I was like, that's not being too discreet.
Speaker 3: But I was so thankful because he's he cares about
Speaker 3: his players, but he also cares about the families that
Speaker 3: are involved too.
Speaker 1: For these players. That's like a dude who cares about dudes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, and you could go into his office and
Speaker 3: talk to him anytime, and it's like talking to an
Speaker 3: old friend and the stories that he has and just
Speaker 3: what he's been through in his life and his upbringing
Speaker 3: and then to make it to where he's been. He
Speaker 3: always loved football, but the Dallas Cowboys they're his baby.
Speaker 3: And I mean he's face, one of the face of
Speaker 3: the NFL and has been for a long period of time.
Speaker 2: And Arkansas rights back National champion. That's why.
Speaker 6: Okay, that makes more sense now, all.
Speaker 1: Right, confirm or deny. Trevor Lawrence is a really good quarterback.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with Deny because he hasn't been
Speaker 3: able to prove that.
Speaker 6: And the whole thing.
Speaker 3: If you're going to say a quarterback's really good in
Speaker 3: the NFL, you have to have consistency. And I know
Speaker 3: what he came into with that organization and the coaches,
Speaker 3: the coach getting fired with Urban Meyer halfway through the
Speaker 3: season and all that stuff. That's chaotic for anybody, especially
Speaker 3: a rookie quarterback who is seen as the savior of
Speaker 3: a franchise. And he's got all the talent in the world.
Speaker 3: He was considered a generational talent when he was coming
Speaker 3: out and deservedly so the guy hadn't lost the game
Speaker 3: in college. I don't think maybe lost one game in college,
Speaker 3: didn't lose a game in high school. And he was exceptional,
Speaker 3: but he hasn't consistently shown the ability to perform week
Speaker 3: in and week out. And that's an issue. If you're
Speaker 3: going to say somebody is really good in the NFL,
Speaker 3: you have to have longevity.
Speaker 6: You have to stay healthy.
Speaker 3: But in addition to that, you have to show that
Speaker 3: you can sustain success week in and week out. He
Speaker 3: did want a playoff game, he did, But you said,
Speaker 3: really good quarterback. That's like upper echelon quarterback play. See
Speaker 3: I've got an.
Speaker 6: Argument for you.
Speaker 2: No, you win again.
Speaker 1: I am the uneducated guy with a big opinion, and
Speaker 1: it's almost like whatever you say wins. I hate this
Speaker 1: game because whatever you say wins. So I'm listening. I'm
Speaker 1: taking out of you.
Speaker 3: Oh good, So there's no you don't lose, so I
Speaker 3: get a buye, I get to buy all right?
Speaker 2: Two more. Bryce Young can be a top ten NFL quarterback.
Speaker 3: I love the way he's responded this season, and I'll
Speaker 3: say yes to that. The reason is is you can
Speaker 3: find out more about the character of a player when
Speaker 3: he goes through the difficult adverse times and you talk
Speaker 3: about the low of lows. I've been benched before. It's
Speaker 3: brutal right. You hear the noise. You're a guy that's
Speaker 3: come in and you're you got drafted what number one
Speaker 3: overall and struggled through his first season, gets benched early
Speaker 3: in the year and like some people were writing him
Speaker 3: off already. But the way that he's played once he
Speaker 3: returned into the starting lineup, I've got a lot of
Speaker 3: respect for him. You can see the skill set, some
Speaker 3: some click for him, and sometimes it is just stepping
Speaker 3: away and watching and absorbing and being around a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 6: Isn't is Dalton there? He is there yet? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So Dalton's there and again a car wreck, which is
Speaker 1: why Bryce Young came back to start again after Dalton
Speaker 1: was in the car accident.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that. That's wild.
Speaker 2: He didn't die, so you go, oh, yeah, I just didn't.
Speaker 6: I was like, I think I would have heard that
Speaker 6: they were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this became a little bit more tragic than just
Speaker 3: Bryce Young returning to the field. But just I think
Speaker 3: he's he's been consistent, He's shown the ability to put
Speaker 3: his team in a position to win games, even though
Speaker 3: they haven't won an a bunch of these games. I
Speaker 3: just like the way that he responded, and I think
Speaker 3: that he's got a really bright future. It's taken him
Speaker 3: a little while to adjust to that game, and some
Speaker 3: of it has to do with when you come to
Speaker 3: the out of the college game, which is much different.
Speaker 3: You're never under center, you're always in shotgun. He's got
Speaker 3: some he's got some issues in terms of just overall
Speaker 3: height and all those but you can tell the dude
Speaker 3: plays at a high level when he's on, and he
Speaker 3: has done that throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 1: Okay, last one, confirmer Deny Tua is far better than
Speaker 1: people gave him credit for, as made a parent by
Speaker 1: him being gone and then losing way more than now.
Speaker 1: They're winning more than losing bad game last week. But
Speaker 1: let's that guy that Diden happening.
Speaker 6: I'll confirm that. I mean, I believe Tua.
Speaker 3: Just look at his body of work going even back
Speaker 3: to college, and he's a guy that is understated in
Speaker 3: some ways just because of his personality. He's not real boisterous,
Speaker 3: he's not going to be in your face. But when
Speaker 3: he goes out in the field. He is a guy
Speaker 3: that knows the offense, gets rid of the ball, and
Speaker 3: knows where his playmakers are, and he elevates the team
Speaker 3: around him. Because we saw in his apps they lost
Speaker 3: what four straight or something like that. And so now
Speaker 3: he comes back to the lineup after another concussion and
Speaker 3: has crushed really until like you said last week, and
Speaker 3: you're going to have those games as a quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 3: nobody walks in for seventeen games straight and doesn't have
Speaker 3: that bad day. I mean, there's too many good players
Speaker 3: on the opposite side of the ball where it's just
Speaker 3: not going well that day and you gotta suck it up.
Speaker 3: But I believe that Tua is the franchise quarterback for
Speaker 3: that organization and fits what they do offensively perfectly.
Speaker 1: Exciting getting into the playoffs this weekend a question the
Speaker 1: Falcons did not make the playoffs. Kirk Cousins is not
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback the Falcons next year. A
Speaker 1: question about being the quarterback when things aren't going right
Speaker 1: because Cousins I think was hurt. That's a crazy injury.
Speaker 1: The achilles is a hard injury to bounce back from,
Speaker 1: really difficult. Did you ever have, because I felt like
Speaker 1: there were times he wasn't able to throw the ball
Speaker 1: with as much velocity as he normally does. Obviously you
Speaker 1: need your legs to be able to do that. Did
Speaker 1: you ever have games and it could have been an
Speaker 1: injury or it just could have been you felt weird,
Speaker 1: We're just nothing went right, A're just like, what the
Speaker 1: heck is going on?
Speaker 3: Well, it's one of those crazy dynamics as a quarterback
Speaker 3: because you could be on a hot streak and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden come into a game utmost of
Speaker 3: confidence and things just aren't going well.
Speaker 6: Like you come out for warm ups. It might be
Speaker 6: the ball's.
Speaker 3: Not coming out of my arm, coming off my hand
Speaker 3: really well, and then all of a sudden you get
Speaker 3: in the game and it's one bad play early on
Speaker 3: or something like that, and it starts to unravel. Or
Speaker 3: it could be something as simplistic as a guy's got
Speaker 3: a crossing route, hits his hands, bounces up, other team
Speaker 3: grabs it, takes it back for a pick six, and
Speaker 3: you got a rally.
Speaker 6: And again it's a game of ebbs and flows.
Speaker 3: But there's just some of those games where you can't
Speaker 3: pull yourself out of it.
Speaker 6: I was in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: We're playing the Patriots one year, and we went in
Speaker 3: that game feeling like we could compete against these guys.
Speaker 3: We go right down the field, first, first series score, touchdown, Boom. Okay,
Speaker 3: we're off to a good start. From that point on,
Speaker 3: it was a complete disaster. I tried to throw a
Speaker 3: post route down the middle. Mccordy picks it off, come back,
Speaker 3: revis baits me, try to throw it over his head.
Speaker 3: Interception number two. Now I've got Cordel Patterson running in cut,
Speaker 3: he fades on his incut.
Speaker 6: Gets undercut. Interception number three.
Speaker 3: Ball gets tipped up in the air off a defensive
Speaker 3: lineman's hands in interception number four, And you just leave
Speaker 3: there and you go in the locker room and you go,
Speaker 3: what the hell just happened? You know, And it's it's
Speaker 3: a mental grind because those are the ones that you
Speaker 3: want to go put your head in the hole and
Speaker 3: not come out for a few days. But you've got
Speaker 3: to go rally yourself and pull yourself back out of it.
Speaker 3: But those are just days that happened in the NFL
Speaker 3: where you're just a little bit off and things don't
Speaker 3: go your well away and there's enough good players on
Speaker 3: the opposite side to where if you make that minimal mistake,
Speaker 3: they're going.
Speaker 6: To capitalize on it.
Speaker 1: If I'm going to do the radio show in the morning,
Speaker 1: or if I'm gonna be on stage and I'm not
Speaker 1: feeling good, I have a sore throat, like nobody cares,
Speaker 1: and I don't.
Speaker 2: Talk about it, but I'd like to.
Speaker 1: I wish people knew that, Man, I got a crazy
Speaker 1: sore throat. I don't say it, but I wish they
Speaker 1: knew that. Maybe I'm not as funny or as active
Speaker 1: as I normally would be, but I'm hurt. But I
Speaker 1: haven't said anything because again, nobody cares. Did you ever
Speaker 1: feel like you're mildly injured and you wanted everybody to know?
Speaker 1: This is why you weren't it? But you nobody knew.
Speaker 3: Guys, I sucked today because I had a sprained MCL
Speaker 3: and I can't tell you guys that and make an excuse.
Speaker 2: Is that everything where like you were kind of hurt,
Speaker 2: oh one hundred percent all the time when nobody knew,
Speaker 2: And You're like, I just wish people knew that I had.
Speaker 3: A sprained ankle one game and you're out there and
Speaker 3: you tape it up, you shoot it up, but you're
Speaker 3: just not yourself. Like you said, you can't plant, you
Speaker 3: can't push off, And there's those moments and you miss
Speaker 3: certain throws, you're high on certain throws, whatever it might be,
Speaker 3: and you're sitting there going if they only knew, or
Speaker 3: if I could answer this question appropriately and tell them, look,
Speaker 3: you jerks, like I'm sitting here, I'm playing in pain.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get through this game. And that's why
Speaker 3: I missed that throw. It's not just because I suck.
Speaker 3: It's just I couldn't push off my back foot or
Speaker 3: something like that. But that's again the same reason what
Speaker 3: we had talked about before. Is when somebody runs the
Speaker 3: wrong route and you throw an interception or when they're
Speaker 3: not the right right depth, and you've got to wear
Speaker 3: that as the quarterback and just say, you know what,
Speaker 3: I've got to do a better job, make a better decision,
Speaker 3: and your teammates respect you. And there are also those
Speaker 3: games where you go out there and you don't feel
Speaker 3: your best and you're dealing with something, but you play
Speaker 3: out of your mind.
Speaker 2: And I had a.
Speaker 3: Game in Denver one year where I literally had a
Speaker 3: spring to ankle. My ankle was swollen up, like this
Speaker 3: went out played, but I threw for four hundred yards.
Speaker 3: I have no idea why. It was like, I was
Speaker 3: like super calm. I was just like, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna let it rip. I stayed in the pocket the
Speaker 3: entire time. Maybe that was it. I wasn't overthinking things.
Speaker 3: I was like, I know, I've got to be stationary,
Speaker 3: but I just got to let it rip. Hearing things
Speaker 3: in the pocket around, do you hear that at all?
Speaker 3: Or is it you're so active in trying to find things,
Speaker 3: You're so focused on what you're trying to do and
Speaker 3: go through reads and also see the defense at the
Speaker 3: same time that you know that there's just chaos always
Speaker 3: going around and you're trained to deal with that, and
Speaker 3: you don't really hear what's going on. Now after the play,
Speaker 3: when somebody hits you in your face and they want
Speaker 3: to talk smack to you, they definitely you can hear that, right,
Speaker 3: But when a play is actually going on, there's so
Speaker 3: many different thoughts. Okay, motion, do I have a check
Speaker 3: check with me? Is what we would call it. We
Speaker 3: got two plays in the huddle. Is the safety rotated
Speaker 3: down Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm alert and alert aler alert.
Speaker 3: Hey, and then I might have to quicken up my
Speaker 3: cadence and go, oh myhes it go, which lets everybody
Speaker 3: know we're going on second sound. So there's so many
Speaker 3: components and so many different factors going on in your
Speaker 3: head that you don't have time to think about all
Speaker 3: the other different discussion. Now, the only time i'd listen
Speaker 3: to what the defense is saying is they would make
Speaker 3: subtle adjustments when you'd come to a bunch or a
Speaker 3: stack and you could see them communicate, or some times
Speaker 3: they'd say nail, nail nail, which to me was a
Speaker 3: box coverage. It went to a cover for this guy
Speaker 3: at first of the flat. That was information that I
Speaker 3: wanted to gather because it would help me get through
Speaker 3: my read right now, and I'd get to the second
Speaker 3: or third guy in my progression immediately based on the
Speaker 3: route concept that we'd have called. And so a lot
Speaker 3: of that doesn't happens in film study. But as you
Speaker 3: are out on the field, a lot of times you
Speaker 3: can hear these guys communicating and you'll see we're gonna
Speaker 3: in and out this, we're gonna stack it, we're gonna
Speaker 3: play one on one off, whatever it might be, and
Speaker 3: you see them start to communicate. That's the only thing
Speaker 3: that I was paying attention to. Could you hear when
Speaker 3: you were about to get sacked? You could feel it
Speaker 3: more than you'd hear it, and then it would happen
Speaker 3: pretty abruptly.
Speaker 7: Feeling like peripheral, Like occasionally you'd feel the peripheral, like
Speaker 7: where they're coming from behind, and you just kind of
Speaker 7: start to feel something and then you pull that ball down.
Speaker 6: It just was it was reactionary.
Speaker 3: It wasn't anything more than like, oh gosh, I feel
Speaker 3: something and duck.
Speaker 2: Out of the way.
Speaker 3: And then the ones that you actually feel and probably
Speaker 3: hear a little bit more as there was one time
Speaker 3: we're playing Green Bay. I was in Dallas and Clay
Speaker 3: Matthews is lined up at the linebacker position, Like, look,
Speaker 3: this guy was versatile. He could play at the defensive
Speaker 3: end position, he could play off But if he's off
Speaker 3: the ball, our running back is responsible to pick him up.
Speaker 3: So he comes running from like a six yard head start,
Speaker 3: and I'm waiting for our running back to step up
Speaker 3: and take him on because I know that he's blitzing.
Speaker 3: But if we're supposed to be picked up, and then
Speaker 3: I just hear him bearing down me. I'm looking to
Speaker 3: the left and I'm going seems like he's getting closer.
Speaker 6: It's getting a lot closer.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I look up and he's
Speaker 2: in my lap and just decleats me.
Speaker 6: He takes me off my lands, right on my ribs,
Speaker 6: knocks with the breath out of me.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking over. I see my running back out
Speaker 3: in the flat, and I'm like, bro, what the hell
Speaker 3: just happened? But he just was a busted protection scheme.
Speaker 3: But I could hear him, smell him, and feel him
Speaker 3: all at the same time.
Speaker 1: You ever smell a cologne on a player sacking you?
Speaker 5: No, you know?
Speaker 6: But was funny.
Speaker 3: Had a guy, Matt Light, who is our offensive tackle,
Speaker 3: a left left tackle in New England, and he used
Speaker 3: to always do this thing. He'd get this female cologne
Speaker 3: and he'd go through before him. Yeah perfect, yeah, I
Speaker 3: got good, good point, really good point. He'd get perfume
Speaker 3: and he'd go before, walkthrough and just drench different guys jerseys.
Speaker 3: And so now all of a sudden we're coming out
Speaker 3: in Belichick's like, what the hell is that smell?
Speaker 6: What the eth?
Speaker 3: And then we'd all get in the huddle like what
Speaker 3: the hell, and people are cracking up because they know
Speaker 3: that light just drenched this guy's whole jersey in perfume
Speaker 3: and you got to wear it during the entire practice.
Speaker 2: It was great. Thank you guys for listening. Thanks to
Speaker 2: Tim McGraw, He's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones. We had
Speaker 2: lots to say. We will see you guys against him. Thanks, everybody.
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