WEBVTT - Some Time With... Dennis Rinsler! (Part 2) 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.200 Hey there, faner Ritos, Welcome to part two of our 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.880 interview with Dennis Rinzler. We had so much fun catching 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.360 up with Dennis and learning all about his time in 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.080 the industry as a writer and producer, so we can't 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.000 wait for you to hear the rest of our conversation 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.840 in part two. Let's get into it. There's the common 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.519 saying in Hollywood, you know, never work with actors, or 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.440 never work with kids or animals. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.319 No, I think that actually is the saying never work 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.520 with actors. I think that's what I just don't. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.199 Never work with child actors or animals. But you and 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.440 Mark were drawn towards working with child with child actors, 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.880 and you just gave us the nicest compliment a few 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.400 minutes ago about how you know we were great on 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.400 set and nail and the jokes. So it sounds like 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.920 you preferred working with child actors, maybe more than adult actors. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.560 The kids were great, and they're also open to a 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.720 little collaboration. You could say to a young person, let's 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:15.319 try this, maybe this will be funny. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.720 Sometimes you say that to an experienced actor and they say, 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.119 I don't tell me how to what's funny. I'll tell 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.679 you but you know that kind of thing. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.080 We always found the children to be more open to 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.160 try different things and this ego. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:31.959 The egos. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.199 Yet it's a great point. 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:33.920 You didn't have that on. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.400 Fullows you already well you were brought up in a 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:42.440 in a nurturing environment of creativity. So when you directed Andrea, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.080 did you give people suggestions to try things a different way? 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.840 Yeah? That was Jody directed. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:54.960 I directed. I'll be honest, I didn't know. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:02:01.280 I didn't have to, Like, I implicitly trusted that everyone 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.360 would bring it to life exactly how I sort of 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.040 envisioned it in my head. And I think also directing 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.000 people that you know or that you know you've been like, 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.720 it gives you sort of that confidence where you're like, 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.560 I don't even have to I know, I'm not gonna 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.119 have to give notes on the scene because they're gonna 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:21.640 nail it. And absolutely, but yeah, it was you know, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.359 it was very It was interesting being on the other 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.040 side because I felt like immediately when I went behind 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.760 the director podium, everyone became their characters. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:32.880 And then as soon as I was like. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.400 In the scene, then everyone I was like, oh, you know, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:37.400 just everyone's name, I don't know. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.720 It was it was weird, but yeah, I loved it. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:41.200 Your acting background. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:43.720 You know, the best directors you know, you work with 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.920 Rich Correll, Yes, and. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.520 He was on you know, Leaf at the Beaver. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.040 Yeah, so he knows exactly how you're thinking and how 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.359 you're feeling, and he's sure the same way, like these 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.640 are just actors. These are not you know, I mean, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.720 these are characters. They're not just people act as they could. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.959 And it's a great way to see it. The acting 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.000 background really helps. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:06.359 Yeah. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.079 I always felt bad for the guest directors on Fuller 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.920 House who would come in kind of meeting us for 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:13.880 the first time, because it's like, well, we've been doing 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.280 It's different on Fuller because we were we've been doing 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.799 these characters for over thirty years, so it's like right 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.880 for new directors to give us a note. It'd be like, well, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.480 you know, actually, we kind of know our characters better 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.239 than anybody right on the set. So it is a 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.560 little bit different directing a show that's been so established 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.520 for so many decades versus a show that's just beginning. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.520 But even even a new show you are trying, you know, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.640 in a movie, the director it's his or her vision 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:46.960 of what this is going to look like sound like 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.720 the pacing all that, and you start a new show, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.080 it's usually a writer who was running the show a vision, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.279 and even if you only did five or six episodes, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.840 a director can't come in with a whole new style 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.520 and change everything. Say wait a minute, that's not what 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.240 we're trying to do now. Of course, with full house, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.840 with the centuries of experience behind it, you know. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.400 You know so well that this is wrong, and you 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:14.320 have to tell them. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.680 Nicely, you know, right right, I guess wouldn't happen. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.640 So you and Mark were showrunners a full House in 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.880 season seven and eight? Is that correct? 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:24.640 Six seven and eight, six. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.000 Seven and eight. Okay, what was the most challenging thing 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.920 about show running versus just being a writer? 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:40.400 Well, show running was shockingly complicated and wonderfully complicated. But 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.359 luckily we learned how to run a show on a 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:45.800 show that was already running. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:46.479 Yeah. 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.040 Yeah, so we kind of just you. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.479 Know, fit right in. We knew what to do, but 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.000 we had to make decisions. The first decision we made 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.800 was a disaster. Oh, we said, okay, all these We 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:04.400 had six seasons where we had twins playing one role, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.720 which is so important because young kids need downtime, so 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.240 one works for forty minutes and the other one rest 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:11.839 and the other one. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.400 We said, how about triplets. That's going to make it 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.680 really easy. We got to get triplets. So we bring 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.599 in some triplets and we meet these kids and they're great, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:26.640 and we go, Okay, let's do it, and they're going 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.000 to be Jesse and Aunt Becky's. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.440 Kids playing Alyx. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.200 We're going to play two kids. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.760 That's what it was, right, Yeah, I think it was 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:38.520 the renter Is. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.159 But the ones we picked. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:48.240 When we invited John Stamos and Laurie to meet them. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.240 They were like, oh, we don't like these kids. Oh. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.400 We said, oh, we should have included them in the decision, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.680 and they said, they don't look like us. It's not right. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:05.479 So the family already sold their house moved out to 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.240 Los Angeles, and we had to tell them, oh, you know, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:14.080 we're we're going in a different direction. And that was 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:19.560 our first decision that show runners, So we said, oh, we're. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.360 It seems to be the theme for for our shows 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:27.840 is starting off with like one cast member. There's like, no, no, 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.960 not that one, and we switch them out. So we 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.160 just like to keep with tradition. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.200 Yes, that's true. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.599 But we loved we loved running the show and uh, 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.279 you know, we loved as you said, when you directed Jody, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.520 just making decisions all day. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.120 Yeah, what's KIMMI gonna wear? 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.120 Who were not casting was great and there was some 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.760 interesting things were casting. If you remember, at one point, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.280 I don't know if we were running the show. At 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.400 this point, ABC came to us and said, Stephanie doesn't 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.600 have a best friend. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.919 Yeah, you know, kill. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:11.400 Me and DJ and and Michelle had Harry and Taj 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:16.280 Morie and Jimmy and we're Stephanie's friend. So we went 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.720 around auditioning girls and we found a really nice girl. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.080 I think her name was Molly Morgan. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.600 Yes, Mo, Yeah, she's going to be Stephanie's best friend. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.840 She's great and you read together and she seemed really nice. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.360 This is going to be great, and we said, this 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.440 is the episode where Stephanie gets involved with someone who's 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:44.040 smoking and they're pushing her to smoke, and Gia comes in, 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.200 Mala Sokkerloff. We said, oh, she's tough, she's going to 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.360 be fun for this episode. And we shoot the episode 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.640 and she's given you a hard time and she's. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.800 Tough, and when we look at it, we go, you 0:07:55.800 --> 0:08:00.640 know something. The scenes with Jody and Mala have so 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.400 much energy and conflict, and you know you're like worried 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.120 for Stephanie. This is this is more exciting. Right, it's 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:08.920 a nice. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:13.160 Best friend sitting around, you know, talking about clothes, right, 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.680 bringing Gia back and sadly. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.320 We we moved. I think Nicky was going to be 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.240 her character's name. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.440 Yeah, Mickey, she was in she was in the smoking 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.240 episode and yeah, and. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.240 She's a part of. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:32.439 A stunt family, the amazing Morgan's or whatever. And I 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.040 drive by and see Renfair posters here in La and 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:36.680 it's Mollie. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.800 It's her younger sister that's on. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.840 The that's on the posters. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.320 But you and Mala had a great relationship. It was 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:46.200 just so much fun. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:47.880 We still do to talked to her. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.280 Yesterday I heard podcast with you guys. It was really good. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.160 Oh yeah, yeah, it's so great. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.040 She's so people still ask her about the cigarettes all 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.959 the time and right, it's famous. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:04.880 Just keep a pack on her, like yeah, yeah. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.480 Oh that's so great. I remember you and Mark is 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.000 just the most nurturing showrunners, Like we've been so lucky 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.440 between you and Jeff, just to be like you get it, 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.199 like you get the DNA of the show. The heart 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.880 of the show for sure, nurturing, making sure the kids 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.160 are taken care of. Like it was always about the family. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.040 It was a family. It was we were a family, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.360 and you took care of the people before the production 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.480 and I always appreciated that so much. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.319 Yeah, well that was you know, we were elementary school teachers. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.320 We love kids, We knew kids. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.800 We loved you guys, and you know we we did 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.199 We had adventures with your guys San Francisco. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:50.960 We went to Disney World. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.240 Oh that's right, Yes, that's right. And I mean you 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.320 guys were you guys were a part of the last 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:58.520 two episodes of the show. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:00.520 Yeah, I mean wrote. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.880 Those you wrote the finale, right, Yeah, and Mark, maybe 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.760 that was a talk to us about the end of 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.720 the series because we weren't expecting to be canceled. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.959 When we didn't expect to be canceled, I think they 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.160 added a couple of episodes. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:20.559 On and uh, we wanted to do a show full 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.280 of memories. That call it a clip show. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.000 You have all the clips of old memories like that, 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.200 So we did Michelle has amnesia. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.320 Michelle fell off the horse. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.240 And we tell all these stories looking through photos to 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:39.720 kind of spark her memory. And I think, you know, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.120 there were a couple of shows that had Mary, Kate 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.319 and Ashley together, maybe. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:52.480 Three yeah, together episode with the Grandfather there was an 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.040 angel and a Devil with the two of them in it. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.160 giving her advice. But the strange thing was, whenever the 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.000 two of them we're in a scene together, one of 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:07.680 them would get sick. Really yeah, one of them would 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.480 feel sick. And you know, maybe it was the pressure, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:12.320 the competition. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.080 They thought they were going to be compared, but it 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.240 happened every time we put them in a scene together. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.360 Interesting, Well, they're not used to acting, they're not used 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:22.680 to being scene partners, you know. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.440 Yeah right, Oh it's different acting with your sibling rather 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:28.880 than just being with your sibling. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:30.280 Yeah, I do. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.440 Yeah, it was it became competitive. Maybe that's that was 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:39.360 our theory. Maybe competitive they're in the scene together and 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.360 that last I do have a video of the last 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:43.160 curtain call. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.079 I yes, yeah, I love that video. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.600 It's on it's on the the I think it might 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.360 have gotten it on its own tape, but I know 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.600 it was definitely like recorded in that most of the 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.400 cast I think got a clip of that. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.160 Tears, so many tears and hugs and yeah, yeah, it 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.440 was a hard day and we. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.400 Didn't really realize the impact at the time, but what 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.120 an effect that was going to have, like it's over. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.079 Yeah, yeah, that was. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.120 It was crazy. I mean, especially for us, you know, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.960 we were like, oh wow, so it's just like done done. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.440 You know, as kids, it's very hard to kind of 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:23.400 comprehend that. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.760 We were having fun. You know, when we went to 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:31.080 Disney World such amazingly, Miller and Boyette said, you know 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.160 what they wanted, They want us to go someplace. Let's 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:35.040 go to Holland. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.240 Whoa. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.120 And we were like, if that's every kid's dream to 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.600 go to Holland. You know, maybe Miller and Boyette wanted 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.240 to go to Holland for some reason, I don't know. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:46.280 They kept pushing. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.080 Holland and we said, no, we got to go to 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.760 Disney World. That's that's going to be more kid friendly. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.880 You know, which, yeah, I can't imagine that there was 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.000 a large audience of children who were. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.480 Like, oh, I just want to know more about Holland. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.000 I want to see wouldn't his shoes in the windmills. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.440 You know, that's my finger and a dike. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.439 That's wait, that is not how I meant it. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.880 What No, because you put your the little Dutch boy 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.400 his finger in the dike to stop it from yeah, yeah, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.640 to stop the flood. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:18.240 He did it. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.080 Well, that was a good call to switch it to 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.520 Disney World, because. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:24.440 I know what it was. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.319 It was a challenge because you know, when we went 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.840 to Hawaii, the show was not that popular. There were 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.200 a few people who watched us who came around to 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.760 see what. I remember as we're leaving the set, we 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.440 all got on a bus to go back to the 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.480 hotel and a bunch of kids were waiting and looking 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.120 because they were fans of the show, and they see 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.439 all is Dave col Dave, and they got so excited, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.480 and Dave stuck his head out of the bus and said, kids, 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:55.840 don't forget to wipe. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.839 Oh yeah, that sounds that's exactly what Dave would say 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:00.480 as well. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.440 Uncle Joey just that. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.800 Yeah he did. That's exactly what he said. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.800 Yeah, it was fun, but then when we got to 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.640 Disney World, we needed top security. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.839 I remember jo bathroom in. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.080 Peace, No, I got followed into the bathroom. Somebody asked 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.440 for an autograph under the stall. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.800 It was like, you don't want me to sign this 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.160 piece of paper and hand it back to you. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.960 This is you know, Yeah, just hold on a minute. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:32.240 That was nuts, but it was yeah, that was that 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.360 felt like when you really. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:38.120 Realized like, oh yeah, we've this is a lot of 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.240 people know what this is. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.000 Yeah yeah, we had the fans all over the place 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.760 by that point. Yeah, yeah that's true. Now do you 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.120 know that? You know when you when you put together 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.960 a writing staff, it's like putting together a sports team. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.200 You need the joke. Well, we had Lenny Rips. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.920 A master of Lenny. We had Lenny on the show. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.960 Yeah, I heard that he was good. He when when 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.640 Andrew you used to kid around with Lenny and he 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.440 would say, Kimmy Gibbler, I created you, I can destroy you. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.160 Yes, yes, that's right. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:15.720 And then you have. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:20.400 Someone who's like who really knows story. We had Rob Dames. 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.320 We used to call him the King of structure. He 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.000 would say, wait a minute, what if we take this 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.760 scene and put it here, change that scene there. But 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.000 the hardest thing to do were the heart scenes. That 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.880 was hot because comedy writers want to do the jokes, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.120 and you know, Lenny Rips paid a violinist to come 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.440 to one of the table reads give a message like 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:42.960 maybe we're getting a little too sappy. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.800 But it didn't go over well. They were serious, Yeah, yeah, they. 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:46.400 Were pissed about that. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.000 He told us that story that he was like, yeah, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.600 I hired a violinist and it didn't go. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:50.560 Over well, didn't go over. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:55.040 Now, Jeff Franklin was the heart and the soul of 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.600 the show, but the show had another heart that people 0:15:58.760 --> 0:15:59.560 didn't know about. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.560 He knows, and it was Tom Miller. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.760 When we took over the show, Jeff said, before I leave, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.480 I have to tell you something. Every time you send 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.800 the script to Tom Miller, he's going to call you 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:15.600 up and. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.840 Talk to you for maybe an hour and a half, 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.160 two hours about the heart scene. Oh. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.160 He cares about that more than anything. And he would 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:26.720 get on the phone with us. Now this is a 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.480 middle aged man, and he'd be saying, like, you know, Dennis, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.200 when a twelve year old girl starts to see that 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.360 she's becoming a woman, and he give us all this 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.040 heartfelt stuff and they care so much about this and that, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.280 and we would take in notes and he really poured 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.440 his heart into those scenes and that's why they were 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.720 very effective, because you. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.440 Know, he had a feel for that and it was 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:50.840 really good, really good. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.320 And people, you know, I think he passed away, but 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.800 you know, people don't realize behind the scenes, you know 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:57.680 what really goes on. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:58.520 He was great at that. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.680 It was Yeah, and see that he was I could 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.800 see Tom Miller being the heart guy. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.399 Yeah, for sure, it was. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.760 Yeah, it was this thing. Yeah, that was this thing. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:08.640 You really cared. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.879 About that and that's what makes a standout you guys. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.639 Oh yes, Yes, Which episode was the hardest to write? 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:18.840 We almost gave up the. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:24.280 Wedding, No, not the finale complicated that. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:25.960 We almost gave us. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:31.280 The birth of the twins Greek. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:35.560 What else? 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:41.800 Admirers track? We couldn't. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.560 I think Stacey Herr and Ellen Gilis were writing it. Yeah, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.720 came in and they said, it's impossible. It's too crazy. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.080 You have to say who wrote the note, who gave 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.200 who do they give it to by accident? Who does 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.000 that person think gave it to them? Who do they 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.400 what do they think? We had to make a giant 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:08.159 chart with lines and arrows of who's who got a flowchart. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.000 Well, I don't complicated. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:19.480 Speaking of hard and commlicated. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.879 I don't know if you know this, but uh, Andrey 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:26.080 and I actually read an entire episode, just the two 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.280 of us playing all of the characters, and we asked 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:34.760 the audience to pick what episode and they picked that episode. Really, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.920 so each of us got to play like four. People 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.080 talk about not knowing who sent to where and what 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.200 it was. I think the fans did it on purpose. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:51.000 But yeah, that I completely know what you mean about, like, 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.879 I'm not sure who wrote this letter and gave it 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:54.280 to who. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:19:00.000 It was hard to keep track. A very highly rated episode. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:05.159 The highest love it. Fans absolutely love that episode. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.040 Jeff asked me to be the voice of Comment. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:10.959 I was gonna this. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.639 I went into the booth. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.399 And I said, gee, I wish I had a Hamburger. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.760 And came back to me later and said, you know what, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.480 I don't want Comment to have a Brooklyn accent. I'm 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.800 gonna I'm. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.879 Gonna have Dave do it, and he did it all 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:28.719 for my voice. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.359 Comment should have had a Brooklyn accent. That would have 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.000 made that would have made as much sense as anything 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:35.920 else in this show. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.399 Honestly, yes, we had two comments, right, oh yeah, we 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.359 had comment and we had Bob the Dog, Bob the Dog, 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.480 and that was his Well called him by his full name. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:52.040 Bob the Dog, because if you said Bob, Saggat turned around, right. Yeah. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.919 So it was like no, no, no, you're Bob and 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:54.960 then you're Bob the Dog. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.400 And the reason for that is one of them was. 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.639 More well behaved than the other. And I won't tell 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.920 you who, but give us the dog. 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:09.080 On one hiatus, a movie was being shot and they 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.119 the dog air Bud. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:16.200 He was yet no, they were the dog and dyed 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:17.879 his hair dark brown. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.840 Yeah, and we couldn't get it back to the original 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.159 color and we got a new dog. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:24.800 And then later when Mark. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.719 And I were running the show, the head of ABC 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.560 called us in and said, I know, I just came 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.920 up with the idea that's going to save the show. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.200 We said, who, why does the show need saving? We're 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:37.320 already a big hit. 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.239 He said, well, this is going to bring it over 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:39.640