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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson except no imitations. And this is

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Speaker 2: the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. And it's

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Speaker 2: a snowy Tuesday here. That's cool again. We've had snow

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Speaker 2: on the ground for well over a week. Yeah, well

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Speaker 2: like going on two weeks of straight of nothing but

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Speaker 2: snow on the ground, and it keeps adding to it

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Speaker 2: on a regular basis.

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Speaker 3: Driving here, the roads are getting worse and worse. And

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Speaker 3: I actually had to stop at CVS and I was

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Speaker 3: walking my car and was bitt slider almost went down

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah, be careful

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Speaker 3: out there, right, yeah, be careful out there.

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Speaker 2: But we're in the winner of the Steelers season as well.

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin holding his season ending press conference today and

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Speaker 2: saying that you know, they've already begun having meetings and

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Speaker 2: discussions regarding, you know, what went wrong, where they can

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Speaker 2: change things, that kind of stuff. These are the kind

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Speaker 2: of things that need to take place when you come

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Speaker 2: out of a season. As he said that, you you know,

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Speaker 2: you didn't reach your goals, and it's all part of

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Speaker 2: the process. You know, there's a lot that has to

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Speaker 2: be decided about this team moving forward one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent, you know, probably even to the point where

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Speaker 3: do we look at everything differently. Let's just take a

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Speaker 3: step back and do not just go you know, exactly

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Speaker 3: on script of how we handle the off season, how

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Speaker 3: we handle a practice week. I mean, not that it

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Speaker 3: was a disastrous season, but it seems like a good

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Speaker 3: time to just look at let's make sure our processes

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Speaker 3: you know, sound still, you know, and from top to bottom.

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Speaker 3: And then you start getting into all these coaches going

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Speaker 3: to come back or all these players going to come back.

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Speaker 3: What do we do a free agency? Of course, there's

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Speaker 3: quarterback decisions, you know, matic stuff too, you know, so

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Speaker 3: there's a lot to unpack here before you start building

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Speaker 3: your draft boards and stuff like that too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it comes at you fast from here

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Speaker 2: on out. For example, you know, two weeks from now,

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Speaker 2: we'll be in Mobile, Alabama doing the show. Yeah right,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's a Senior Bowl one. I'm I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited about that.

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Speaker 3: They looks like a loaded roster.

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Speaker 2: The roster's released yesterday. Boy, there's a lot of great

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Speaker 2: prospects down there that we're going to get a chance

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Speaker 3: That I've been doing pretty much for the last twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours is studying those rosters. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: good looking players. So it's going to be a good time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a deep, talented group that's going

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Speaker 2: to be down there, and there's some positions that are

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Speaker 2: really loaded that yeah, goold help.

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Speaker 3: This team out. Yeah, Steelers are going to mobile in

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Speaker 2: I would not doubt that one bit. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: a few weeks after that comes you get the Combine.

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Speaker 2: Another two weeks after the Combine is the opening a

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Speaker 2: free agency.

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Speaker 3: Like it is the busiest week of the year.

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Speaker 2: It comes at you quickly, is and you so you've

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Speaker 2: got about well, you know, give or take a little over. Well,

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Speaker 2: today's January, January fourteenth, so you've got about two months

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Speaker 2: to make decisions on your free agents.

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Speaker 3: I know we have some new listeners and things, but

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Speaker 3: Combine Week is a blast for you guys too. I

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Speaker 3: mean we grab all kinds of different media folks.

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Speaker 2: Draft we'll do the same thing at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 3: And the Senior Bowl. Yeah, quite a few too. That'd

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Speaker 3: be my first year going in like the last ten years,

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Speaker 3: so I'm psy like to get back down there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's uh, you know, you get you get practice

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Speaker 2: that fun stuff. But we'll get into that. Talk a

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Speaker 2: little more about what Mike Tomlin had.

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Speaker 2: He was asked about the quarterback situation. I'm sure and said, look,

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Speaker 2: I he said, do you have a He was asked,

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Speaker 2: obviously we don't have a quarterback under contract, and so

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Speaker 2: we've got some major discussions there. It was a really

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Speaker 2: roster this year, individually and collectively. We're certainly open to

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Speaker 2: The major work, obviously, it's first and foremost by understanding

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Speaker 2: terms of free agency, the draft pool, and then beginning

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Speaker 2: the process in terms of decision making based on those

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Speaker 2: known variables. And he said he and Omar Khan have

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Speaker 2: a half day carved out later this week to begin

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Speaker 2: the component of that discussion. So that'll probably be when

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Speaker 2: when Omar Khan starts running him through. Okay, Mike, these

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Speaker 2: are the guys right now who are scheduled to be

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Speaker 2: free agents. This is what's available in the draft.

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Speaker 3: This is how much money we got, these are the resources. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't think these guys are fits. This guy's a

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Speaker 3: bad personality for us. This one's perfect, but he's going

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Speaker 3: to be a little bit more expensive than I think,

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Speaker 3: and I can see the Giants being interested in them

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Speaker 3: or whatever. Meanwhile, Omar's staff's been doing this year.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's why this is when the coaching staff

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Speaker 2: those kind of discussions.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they don't have time to be scouting free agency.

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Speaker 3: They might they might know Jameis Winston's up after the year,

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Speaker 3: but they're not going to worry about it through that lens.

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Speaker 3: They're just trying to be them, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you have those kind of discussions, and

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Speaker 2: you know there's a lot of frank discussions that go

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Speaker 2: on at this time. Yeah, you know, Tomlin said that,

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Speaker 2: you know, he met yesterday with with Art Rooney and

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Speaker 2: Omar Khan and you know, you have those frank discussions

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Speaker 2: because that's all part of the process.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure there's some uncomfortable moments in that room. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean not every No one's happy with how it ended,

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Speaker 3: all three of them, you know, that's the way it goes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but thirty one teams aren't going to be happy without

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Speaker 3: their season ends. Yeah. Everything Again.

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Speaker 2: I was struck last night watching the game between the Vikings.

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Speaker 3: And for the Vikes. Just the way it goes. Man,

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Speaker 3: You lose two bad games in a row, and now

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Speaker 3: everyone's kick get rid of all your stock. Just Sam

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Speaker 3: Darnold cost yourself millions with these last two games. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. I mean, even Oconn. I mean, they've

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Speaker 3: good year. And but you didn't advance in advance, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know. So I looked at it like kind of

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Speaker 3: feels a little like the Steelers, though, like you were

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Speaker 3: really playing well you're out kicking your coverage and then

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Speaker 3: you go out on a losing streak and just all

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it's rough. I mean, it's a brutal league.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if you look at it this way,

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Speaker 3: if the final eight teams in the league, the Steelers

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Speaker 3: played five games against the final eight, they were two

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Speaker 3: and three against those teams. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So it's well, it looks bad now, and I understand,

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Speaker 2: you know, the playoff losses. The playoff loss of five

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Speaker 2: game losing streak is a five game losing streak. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that you're as far off from where you

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Speaker 3: Competing with these teams that are still competing with them.

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Speaker 2: Because you beat Washington in Washington, you know, you beat Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: You know you the three games at the end of

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Speaker 2: the season weren't competitive.

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Speaker 3: I get that, sure, but.

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Speaker 2: There were also three games in eleven days and you

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Speaker 2: had injuries in no situations.

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Speaker 3: It's just I knows the Steelers are doing to you.

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Speaker 3: For original point is figuring out how to compete in them. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we got to take a different approach. Yeah, now, we

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Speaker 3: got to look at this.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that Tom mentioned today was, hey,

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Speaker 2: we gotta look at we had a bunch of soft

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Speaker 2: tissue injuries this year, Like what can we do differently

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Speaker 2: regarding that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna kick out it because this

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Speaker 3: time of year is also coaching change season. You know,

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Speaker 3: like these whiz kid you know, offensive coordinators, play designers,

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah. They don't think about why

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Speaker 3: do we have a lot of soft tissue injuries this year?

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Speaker 3: You know, like the head guy's got to deal with that.

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Speaker 3: You know, is it nutrition or is it you know whatever?

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Speaker 2: Head you need to change our practice plan, do we

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Speaker 2: get do we need to do this, do we need

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Speaker 2: to do that? You know, just all kinds of things

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Speaker 2: that you need to this. That's what these discussions are about.

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Speaker 2: It this time of year you start to eat. This

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Speaker 2: is where the you know, you start to analyze. You

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Speaker 2: don't have time to do that during the regular season.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, like the Bengals, for example, I hope

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Speaker 3: for their sake, are going, well, maybe we should play

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Speaker 3: more guys than the season you know, because every year

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Speaker 3: we start out slow. Yeah, we start slower year and

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Speaker 3: then we got to chase it. Well, right or right,

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Speaker 3: there's a reason change what you're doing. Yeah, right on.

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Speaker 3: So no, that's exactly what's going on. And I would assume,

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Speaker 3: you know, coach is getting a lot of input from Omar,

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Speaker 3: his assistance, obviously the owner. You know, I mean that

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Speaker 3: these guys are going to figure it all out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so you know, but you know, the

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Speaker 2: biggest question obviously is the is the quarterback situation? You know,

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Speaker 2: he was he was asked, you know, you've had the

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Speaker 2: failures in three of the last four seasons. Third time

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Speaker 2: in the last four seasons that you go into the

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Speaker 2: off season with someone uncertainty at quarterback. Twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: be Ben was gone. Yeah, yeah, uh, you know, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three you had picket in place, okay, or twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, and then twenty twenty two, right right, and

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Speaker 2: then twenty twenty three I had picket in place. But

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Speaker 2: this season, you you know, blew that up again. So

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Speaker 2: three the last four years you've had that instability at

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Speaker 2: the quarterback position. The ironic thing is each year that

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Speaker 2: you've had the instability at the quarterback position was coming

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Speaker 2: off of a playoff year, right.

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Speaker 3: Made the playoffs and then made quarterback changes. Usually not

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Speaker 3: the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one year that you didn't make a quarterback

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Speaker 2: change was the year that you didn't go to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I wonder, just off the top of my head, of

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Speaker 3: the fourteen teams that went to the playoffs, who will

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Speaker 3: have a new quarterback next year? That would be none Cotton,

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Speaker 3: I mean said the Vikings maybe, but that was ay,

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Speaker 3: but that wasn't Yeah, that wasn't their plan, right right, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean they made it with their their quarterback is

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Speaker 3: on the roster, right like I think party, Oh he's on.

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Speaker 3: They didn't make playoffs, but I mean I don't think

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Speaker 3: there'll be any Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: You know that that's all part of this and and

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Speaker 2: Because there's no guarante if you're not one of the

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Speaker 3: Sure, sure. I mean even Atlanta is a bad example

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you have to approach it that way. So

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Speaker 2: Could you could make a legitimate argument for either, and

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Speaker 3: Guys, either both neither. You know, I can make an

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Speaker 2: But that's the why I look at it and say,

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Speaker 3: Right, and what it would cost and who's available for

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Speaker 3: and I wouldn't want to be in that. That's not

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Speaker 2: So you know, again, if if you knew that was

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Speaker 3: And probably even more so than a year ago, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So again that's part of what you're figuring out here.

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Speaker 3: We didn't really last long enough to do this in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Coins right, right, And if you see it happen year

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Speaker 3: So now what do we do? Now? What do you

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Speaker 2: But then you can take it, then you can you know,

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Speaker 3: So I think Hurts is a good example because defense

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Speaker 3: Now, good on a chili day like today being at

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Does he do many press conferences? I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: He'll do something. He'll do one before them the combine.

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Speaker 3: I think the playoffs spot locked up when that happened.

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Speaker 2: Unless you get the number one seed or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Building, all in their building.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's not the good way to do it.

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Speaker 3: That's the hardest path possible. Choose your own adventure. You

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Speaker 3: at higher hopes for the Miami Dolphins this year than

435
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,080
Speaker 3: in previous seasons. But I looked at him, like, who

436
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,439
Speaker 3: is not as goes those guys either. Yeah, but if

437
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 3: they can get home field advantage. If they can, you know,

438
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 3: and you got to go to Miami and they're well

439
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,919
Speaker 3: rested in speed, I mean, okay, they're trying a different approach.

440
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 3: You can see how that might work. You know. If

441
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,919
Speaker 3: if we're talking about them being fresh this week and

442
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 3: man Baltimore is all banged up and they gotta go

443
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 3: to Miami, Like, okay, well that's a different Titan test,

444
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 3: you know, right.

445
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,640
Speaker 2: It levels the playing field, Yeah, yeh yeah against those

446
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 2: great quarterbacks. Let's get to a break. He is the

447
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the

448
00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 2: drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We gonna do

449
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 2: it only bit of goodie here in the next segment, Matt,

450
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 2: that's going to put on his GM hate. We're going

451
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 2: to pour through the Steelers and pending free agents here

452
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 2: and I like it. Okay, talk to them, give them

453
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,239
Speaker 2: their exit interview, and ask them come up with an

454
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 2: idea whether we want to keep them let them go.

455
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:25,679
Speaker 1: Right after this, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

456
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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of

457
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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

458
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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

459
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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. One of my favorite pastimes here

460
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Speaker 2: and one this always seems to be a favorite of

461
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: the listeners is we'll take a look here at.

462
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 3: The This has become an annual event for us. Now

463
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 3: absolutely kind of know we're doing it today.

464
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm throw stuff at you with that now that way

465
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 2: I get the honest Matt.

466
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to know. I'm in. So we're

467
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: going to lay this out. We got a lot of

468
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 3: new listeners.

469
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna have some exit interview here with some veteran

470
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 2: players who are now pending free agents, and Matt is

471
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: going to put his GM hat on here and going

472
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: to talk to each of these players and say, hey,

473
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: we want you back. We like maybe to stay in

474
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 2: contact with us, or maybe you should get on with

475
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: your life's work somewhere else. Exactly exactly, So first up

476
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 2: on the list here and I'm just looking at spot

477
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 2: tracks and he just have them listed here in terms

478
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: of it looks like they have him listed in terms

479
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 2: of what they made last year.

480
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 3: That's usually the way they listed, right, which doesn't mean

481
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 3: that's their important.

482
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: That's not the priority. But first gap is Mike Williams.

483
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: Interesting one, and he's not an easy one for me,

484
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 3: you know, Like Mike, we traded for you, we saw

485
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: some good things. Maybe it's on us we should have

486
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 3: got on the field more. Maybe there's more to that

487
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: story that Matt doesn't know. But GM does you know

488
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: of why you weren't out there a lot. But we

489
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: do plan on upgrading our receiver room and we are

490
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 3: in the market for a true starter opposite your buddy George.

491
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 3: But you could be in the mix, you know, I mean,

492
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 3: if it depending what the it depends if I'm actually

493
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: talking to him Orf we're talking behind the scenes obviously,

494
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: but like if the the market is hot for you,

495
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 3: you should probably jump on it. Yeah, but we know

496
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 3: that your stock hasn't increased over the last year.

497
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: The ten million dollars that you got last year's probably

498
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: not really.

499
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 3: You know, you're not getting that. Your agent's already told

500
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 3: you that. And if you want to do in one

501
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 3: year prove of deal, we'd love to have you in camp.

502
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 3: We like some of your attributes, so please keep us

503
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: in the mix, but we're not offering you a contract

504
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: right this second. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

505
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: Next guy up is James Daniels. People might have forgotten

506
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: he was even on the team because he got hurt

507
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: so early in a year.

508
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, James, we love you. You know, you've done

509
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 3: good work here. You were part of the play this year.

510
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: Of course, you're still young. You're gonna make a lot

511
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 3: of money in the free agent market, not from us.

512
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 3: You know, we've got our guards and best of luck,

513
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I hope the rehab went well. Yeah,

514
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 3: all that good stuff. I mean, there's no fault to

515
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: your own. But we kind of drafted with this in

516
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: mind that we probably weren't going to dump it India,

517
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: and that's okay, you know, right, you're gonna sign a

518
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: third contract and be very happy about it.

519
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dante Jackson is up. He made six million dollars

520
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: last year. He's twenty nine years old. Welcome in, Dante.

521
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not gonna be real nice to you, Dante.

522
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: I think we can do better, to be honest with you.

523
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 3: We liked what you brought to the table. We made

524
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: a trade for you that was you weren't a throw in.

525
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: We were interested in what you did. But we're looking

526
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 3: for a different style of corner. We went a guy

527
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 3: with a little more size, more man physical with the

528
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, more of a tackler. And we don't

529
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: think that's you, you know. I mean, I think you're

530
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: probably gonna be playing somewhere else next year.

531
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Nate Herbig is up here next I'm gonna

532
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: skip over the quarterbacks to the end. Yeah, I don't know,

533
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: ye say that might.

534
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: Even be next week. Herbig's an easy one for me

535
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 3: in that. Of course, your brother's here. We'd like you.

536
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 3: You like us, I think, and that's fine. We now

537
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: have our starters on the interior, but we look at

538
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: you as a real high end number four interior player.

539
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: You can play all three spots. That's that's very valuable.

540
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: We love you in the locker room. Frankly, Nate, I

541
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: don't know that people are gonna be banging on your

542
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: door after your injury, and you know, I mean, this

543
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: is not the best time for you to be maximizing

544
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 3: your earnings. We can offer you a real similar deal

545
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: or maybe even a two year seven million. I think

546
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: he made like fours base four yeah, yeah, something in

547
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: that neighborhood and a year or two. But we would

548
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: definitely like you be in the mix. And unfortunately, I

549
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: mean fortunately for him, there's probably a good chance you

550
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: end up playing, you know, I mean a chance of

551
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: all three of you might.

552
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: End up playing games at all three spots.

553
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: You're gonna be a key component for us, but we

554
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: don't look at you as one of our top three.

555
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: On the inside. Yeah, okay, please come back. We like you,

556
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: uh and Landon Roberts similar. I think that's another guy.

557
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: We think this has been a good fit you. We

558
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: love your style of play. You are smart, nasty, AFC

559
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: North football player. We would offer you a very similar deal,

560
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a two year at most, but certainly one.

561
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: He made around four I think too.

562
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: He was three point five.

563
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, okay, if you're going to hold out

564
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: for four, we can probably make that work. You know,

565
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: it's been a successful mess be thirty one. Yeah, and

566
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: you're gonna mix your split time with the guys that

567
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: are here now as you did. You know you're not

568
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: gonna be a full time player, which probably he probably says, thanks, Yeah,

569
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: it probably benefits you, Nause Harris. Yeah, sorry, Nage, but

570
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: we gotta move on. You came in a league a

571
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 3: little older. You've been a really good player for US.

572
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 3: I really like your reliability, durability, toughness, relentlessness with the

573
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: football in your hands. But it's the nasty business we

574
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: got going here. And boy, there's a lot of running

575
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: backs in the draft that are cheaper than you. A

576
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: lot of them are faster than you. Some of them

577
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 3: are better zone fit schemes than you. And I think

578
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: you're gonna make a decent Bucke in the offseason. You know,

579
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: if I my recommendation is go to teams with that

580
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: Ramandre Stevenson contract in hand, and you might get it,

581
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: but not from us.

582
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this this the fit. The overall

583
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: fit is the big thing too.

584
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: You know.

585
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: You just there's gonna be a team out there that's

586
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: looking for a power back. Oh yeah, to maybe even

587
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: as a compliment to the speedback at the.

588
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: Half, but they put them next to Tyrone Tracy. Yeah,

589
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: somebody like that.

590
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: You know, we need we need something a little bit more.

591
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: We want more of an all around back, and.

592
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: We're looking for the next version of you coming out

593
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: of you know, coming out.

594
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: Of Bama demantekz.

595
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: Uh Caz. We've had a nice run. I don'm not

596
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: implying that it's over, but we're gonna be looking elsewhere

597
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: for a while. You get getting up in age, You're

598
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: not Frankly, you're a replaceable player. Your skill set isn't

599
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: something that's remarkably hard to find. We drafted Watts last year,

600
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: who we have some hope for as well. We might

601
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: look for a safety that's a little more slot oriented.

602
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: But we might be looking for a younger version of you,

603
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: because you did those things early in your career.

604
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: Yep. But there's a chance, come a month before camp,

605
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: we'll give you a veteran minimum deal if you're still

606
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: out there and bring in and see if you can

607
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: make the team. Yeah, and frankly, if an injury would

608
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: happen in camping you're still out there, you'd be our

609
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: first call.

610
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: Van Jefferson.

611
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 3: Similar one replaceable, not special enough. Please test the market.

612
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: I think someone will be interested. I mean, you have

613
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: a body of work in this league, but we need

614
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: to get more dynamic at this position. Again, if we

615
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: get deep into the process and your price drops, not

616
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: that you're super excited.

617
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean he was on a one year he was

618
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: a veteran minimum this year.

619
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm guessing somebody will give him a little more

620
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: than that, though. I meant, you know, I would assume

621
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: he goes as a free agent and asks for more

622
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: than league minimum. I don't know if forget it, but

623
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: we have a league minimum deal here for you, maybe,

624
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: you know, depending on probably after the draft.

625
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: Michael Pruitt.

626
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: It's another similar one in that you do good things,

627
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: but we view you as a number three tight end.

628
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: You have some special teams capabilities, but you're not young

629
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: at this stage of the game. He's gonna be thirty three. Yeah,

630
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: so maybe a one year deal late in the process,

631
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: but we kind of want more dynamic pass catchers.

632
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cam Sutton.

633
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: You gotta go. Yeah, we took it. We took a

634
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: chance on you. You're not the player used to be.

635
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: There is off the field stuff that we recognize, but frankly,

636
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: your play wasn't good enough and you might want to

637
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: consider moving the safety, but we're not in the process

638
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: of making that change for you. You know.

639
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Mattakeevich.

640
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: Might be a league minimum deal here. Maybe how old tea?

641
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: He's thirty two.

642
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's older than I thought. I was gonna say

643
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: he's thirty, but that seemed young. We value special teamers here.

644
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: I know you had some injury stuff, but you still

645
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: are good at what you do. But we got a

646
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: lot bigger fish to fry right now than another core

647
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: special teamer. And please keep us in mind, you know,

648
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: if you're going to sign a deal with the Commanders

649
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: or whatever, give us a buzz, but we're probably good

650
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: on core special teamers. Yeah. Uh, Dan Moore, best of

651
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: luck to you. You know, you've been a pleasant draft

652
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: pick that turned into it. Gave us a lot of snaps,

653
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: But we've drafted two players of your position really high,

654
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: and we can't be more excited about getting them on

655
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: the field. You're gonna make a good buck somewhere. There's

656
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: a lot of teams out there that can use the

657
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: left tackle that has logged in.

658
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: You've played this season. His contract average, this was his

659
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: four year average was one point oh four to four million.

660
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can probably get to that.

661
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: You got more than what you paid for.

662
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: It, exactly, but that doesn't mean it's good enough to

663
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: beat Baltimore and Cincinnati and the Browns and et cetera,

664
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: et cetera. So we're really putting a high emphasis on

665
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: we went the best offensive line in the league, and

666
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: you should have a long, productive career and retire a multimillionaire.

667
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's going to be with the

668
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: Steelers next year.

669
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: Isaiah louder Milk.

670
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: Go test the market. Isaiah kind of thought you'd be

671
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: a little further along than this if there's no you know,

672
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: if you put that worm on the hook and no

673
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: one's biting, we could bring you to camp on a

674
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: one year deal, but it's going to be league minimum.

675
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: And we do like the familiarity and you know our defense,

676
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: but there's a good chance we add somebody of bigger

677
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: ilk than you, you know in that room.

678
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Scottie Miller, there's a league.

679
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: Minimum deal here for you. Take you or leave it,

680
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, maybe do better. Ye know,

681
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: I can't pro guarantee you a spot. No, No, I'd

682
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: love a lot of stuff you do. We may end

683
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: up adding two receivers and you're gonna have an uphill

684
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: climb to make the team. We might end up adding one.

685
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, but we are gonna make changes at

686
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: that room and come to camp and chip fall where

687
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: they may, and he might take it.

688
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: It gets us through all the u fas.

689
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: Okay, non quarterbacks.

690
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Non quarterbacks, brings us to Jalen Warren, who's a restricted

691
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: free agent. I keep seeing this out now that the

692
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: Steelers they're gonna lose both these guys. I can't remember

693
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: the last time a team signed somebody else's restricted free agents.

694
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: If you tender them, and I would as soon depend

695
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: where you're tender room. Yeah, I mean you're not going

696
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 2: to get a second round ten. Yeah, you're gonna put

697
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: a second round tender on Jalen. Yeah, and he's going

698
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: to be back. And if he's not back, if somebody says, hey,

699
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: we gotta go sign Jalen Warren and they want to

700
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: give you a second round pick for him.

701
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: Great, Benie Drafford another running back in the second round,

702
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: right exactly, and I like him a lot at Jalen.

703
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: I think you one of our best offensive players. Huge

704
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: success story. You will get a bump and pay as

705
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: with a second round tender. I think he goes up

706
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: to like a billionaire this year. Okay, maybe in camp

707
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: we can talk about adding a year or two. Maybe.

708
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: I mean, there's not a ton of wear and tear

709
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: on your body. But we are definitely going into the

710
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: draft looking for a sidekick for you. Not that you

711
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: have to tell the players these things, right, I'm telling

712
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: the audience and stuff. The players don't need to know anything.

713
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: Here's a contract, sign or not, get out of here.

714
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: Treat them like mushroom, right if they don't need to.

715
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: Know any of this stuff. But we don't want to

716
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: lose you, so we're going to show it by putting

717
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: a second untender on it, which is pretty which says

718
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 3: a lot.

719
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna give you a bump to about three plus

720
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, yeah, right for next year getting

721
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: a significant raise.

722
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, We're not just letting someone poach you off the

723
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: roster for nothing.

724
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: And as things stand now, you're our starting running.

725
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: Back, right yeah, and you might be on opening day

726
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: and you might be every we every day this week

727
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: this year. You know who knows, we like you a lot.

728
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: They've got two exclusive rights free agents, and I would

729
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: assume both of these guys wind up being back. One

730
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: is Ryan McCollum.

731
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: Well, i'd like to bring him back. Yeah, absolutely, I

732
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: think that's a successful experiment so far, better version of

733
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 3: like Hassin Hower. Yeah, yeah, I mean no more size.

734
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

735
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I might be able to play some guard for you

736
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: in a pinch.

737
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know if he's only a center, but

738
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: that's definitely his best spot is a room for him

739
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: and herbig I don't know, but I don't care. You know,

740
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: we'll just figure it out.

741
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have ten offensive linemen on that roster, and.

742
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Then there's practice squad spots and you know, injuries happen,

743
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: and yeah, you might be Frasier's back up for the

744
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: next two or three years, but one year deal. Yeah.

745
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: And then the other one is Jeremiah Moon.

746
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: I have to bring Danny in. Well, how important is

747
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: he to you? Danny?

748
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: I mean he actually, you know, played after he was activated.

749
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: I had a lot of snaps.

750
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: On special teams near to the top of the team, the.

751
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: Top, like people were questioning why he was active for

752
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: the playoff game and Preston Smith was not.

753
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: I was one of them that not that not the

754
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: Moon be an active, surprise me. It's just the Smith

755
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: being inactive.

756
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: But it came down to special teams.

757
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

758
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not gonna ask thirty two year old

759
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: Preston Smith to go out and play special team.

760
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: No, yeah, he doesn't do it.

761
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't do it. Moon Moon was a core special team.

762
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 3: Which if I would chat with Preston Smith too, well,

763
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: he's not a free agent. We're gonna yeah, I guess

764
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: we'll get down the road.

765
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: We'll get down that.

766
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: Road when we get closer to that. But Moon would

767
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: like to bring it back on a league league minimum deal.

768
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna pat We're gonna give the exclusive rights offer.

769
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely pick that up. And you know,

770
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: you got to come to camp, continue to show your

771
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: defensive stuff, and he loves you, you know, And I

772
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: do think that's true. I think that he's a plus

773
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: special team or he's not just the best you got

774
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: at the time. Right, Cool, there's value there. Camp promise

775
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: you a roster spot, but maybe yeah yeah, if not

776
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: practice audi great.

777
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: You're going to be somewhere in that forty five to

778
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: fifty three range. You know, we're forty five to sixty range,

779
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: and you've got to show us that longer occudible.

780
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're too valuable to cut. Okay, I'll take that challenge.

781
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: Sign up.

782
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: So that's the Steelers list of free agents, except for

783
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: the three quarterbacks.

784
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 3: It's not crazy. I mean, if they all walked out

785
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: the door, the world will keep turning. Yeah, I mean

786
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: they've set that up pretty well.

787
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, right, you know, obviously there's some

788
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 2: guys there that you got to replace. And of course

789
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking here on spot track, and the guys who

790
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: have market value next to their name are the guys

791
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: who they think will get the biggest contracts or so.

792
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: The market value on a guy like Mike Williams coming

793
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: off of his season is four point five million.

794
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: A year is a track record. I don't know that

795
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: I wear that if I'm the Steelers. But it's not

796
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: the worst thing I ever heard.

797
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: A one year deal at four point five I mean

798
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: signed for ten last year.

799
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 3: I thought i'd be a little cheaper. But receivers don't growing.

800
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, receivers. That's not tryney.

801
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's just not Uh, he'd have to

802
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: be in my top three though, yeah, because he doesn't

803
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: play a special team.

804
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: You know, is he better than Austin? Is he better

805
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: than Roman Wilson? He's not gonna be better than Pickings

806
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: and the guy that I add to be named later.

807
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: The uh market value on Justin Fields the comparable players for.

808
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: Them, it's like fourteen eight point nine.

809
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: The players that take ten, No, no, it's six or

810
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: for I'm sorry, yeah, it's like somewhere and say, but

811
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: the players that they compare him to guys who signed

812
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: one year deals this year, Jameis Winston, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacobe Burssett,

813
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: Sam Donald.

814
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: They're older though Donald's not. Donald was actually neither is

815
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: Jameis Winston's twenty six. No, he's not.

816
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's what shows here.

817
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: He's been in the league like ten years.

818
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you he's not.

819
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: There's something that's what they're listening.

820
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: The market value on Najee Harris nine point two million, Okay, yeah,

821
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: saying that's three years, twenty seven point five million, and he'll.

822
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: Get it or close to it. I mean a lot

823
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: of maybe he'll be disappointed.

824
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: He'll be tough this year at the deep. Yeah, that's right,

825
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 2: as deep as it is. It is the market value

826
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: on Russell Wilson thirty thirty eight point seven million. They're

827
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: saying two years seventy seven point four comparing it to

828
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, g Know Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford.

829
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: I think the transition tag is only like thirty five,

830
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: which I've heard thrown out there as an option. It's

831
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: not something I know a ton about. Yeah, but it's

832
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: a different version of like a franchise tag, right that

833
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: you can match. Okay, I mean that's about the numbers

834
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: we thought. Yeah, and maybe he takes less, you know,

835
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: because he's happy. But I don't know of the thirty

836
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: one other team who would offer him that deal if

837
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 3: he's on the open market, because some of the teams

838
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: are bad and not looking for an older guy like

839
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: you Giants, Raiders, Titans, you know, would they be in

840
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: the market for him? I don't know who.

841
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: We keep hearing the Titans, for example, linked this is

842
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: before they got the number one overall pick. Well, they're

843
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: going to sign Aaron Rodgers, Like would you rather have

844
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers or would you rather have Russell Wilson.

845
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. The personalities are very different. I think I'd

846
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: rather have Russell Wilson. I think so.

847
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, let's talk more about that when we come back.

848
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: Market value.

849
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: They don't have one listening, really, which is surprising because

850
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna get.

851
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: I mean he'll get eight to twelve eight more Thanchukes did. Yeah. Yeah,

852
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: I mean he's a left tackle, right right, right, who

853
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: times made like six seven eight something like that or.

854
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: Something like that.

855
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but more more than that double digits.

856
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna bite at that. This isn't a particularly great

857
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: offensive tackle draft either.

858
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: No. Now, you had a bunch of teams that draft

859
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: the guys last year, but there's always shortage. No, he'll

860
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: be one of the thirty two starting left tackles. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely,

861
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: and that costs money.

862
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk more about that quarterback position when we

863
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: come back. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

864
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

865
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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

866
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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. We were talking in the previous

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Speaker 2: segment there about you know who might be interested in

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Speaker 2: the Steelers quarterbacks? Yeah, on the open market? You know

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Speaker 2: who might you be? You know, if you let it

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Speaker 2: get to that point where.

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Speaker 3: They're actually true free agents. Yeah, who's calling? Who's calling them?

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Speaker 3: And the teams that really need quarterbacks going into this

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Speaker 3: soft season.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cleveland's so weird though, Like I don't know how

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Speaker 3: much money they have or what this Watson stuff shakes out.

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Speaker 2: It may you know, this latest injury may get them

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Speaker 2: out of part of that contract.

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Speaker 3: I know, which would break my heart kind of.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've had to eat it now for a few years.

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Speaker 2: But they're definitely in the market for a quarterback. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and it's not going to be Jameis Winston.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. No. The Raiders, yes, for sure,

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Speaker 3: the Jets, yes, the Giants, the Titans, yeah, the Saints probably.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they would go the Winston or like

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Speaker 3: the Rogers Wilson route, though, I mean they'd have to

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Speaker 3: trade car first or go get a young guy. I

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Speaker 3: bet we could come up with some other names too, probably,

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Speaker 3: I mean like Seattle would draft one, or you know,

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Speaker 3: themes like that.

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Speaker 2: These are just the guys that maybe the teams that

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Speaker 2: maybe need a veteran guy because they don't have the

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Speaker 2: guy on their roster.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Tennessee's situation changed dramatic in the last month of the

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Speaker 2: season when they went to having the number one overall

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Speaker 2: pick before they were eighth or so, and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well you're not going to have the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: You at least have to move up or you don't

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Speaker 3: have the power. Yeah. Right. I think more teams will

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Speaker 3: be interested in fields if both were on the open market.

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Speaker 3: I think fields will get more calls than Wilson. Age

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Speaker 3: and expense is why, of course, and athleticism, you know,

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Speaker 3: like you've thrown out fields. The Indianapolis makes so much

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Speaker 3: sense to me. And I bet we come up with

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Speaker 3: five more, you know, along those lines of young guy

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Speaker 3: that's struggling, let's add another one to the mix, and

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Speaker 3: one of the two hits it's a home run. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was a little shocked to buy spot tracks. Guess

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Speaker 3: on his car. I think that's I bet that's low.

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Speaker 3: I think it's low. Yeah, I think he gets at

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Speaker 3: least ten and maybe fifteen if you were even take

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Speaker 3: Russ out of the equation. If your final decision as

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Speaker 3: the Steelers is let's roll with fields, what's the numbers

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Speaker 3: look like. I wouldn't want a one year deal, No,

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Speaker 3: and I'd probably want incentives in there. Two for twenty five,

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Speaker 3: two for twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I might even go three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's double digits average.

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Speaker 2: Three, you know, let's say thirty six. M hm, that's

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Speaker 2: twelve million with the sentims. Yeah, if you start this

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Speaker 2: many games we.

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Speaker 3: Went in the super Bowl or if you know, things like.

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Speaker 2: That, and then if that stuff like that happens, we'll talk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure I would be thrilled to do

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Speaker 3: a three if i'm him, If I know, I really

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Speaker 3: don't have competition on day one, I get two years.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he may be the bargain of the century

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Speaker 3: two years from now at twelve would be you know,

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Speaker 3: but he could also make a fuss. You know. I'm

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Speaker 3: just curious what his numbers would look like. Wilson's a

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Speaker 3: tough one for me, though not for the Steelers necessarily.

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Speaker 3: We'll have those conversations. Just I don't know, if he's

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Speaker 3: truly on the market, how many calls does he get?

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Speaker 3: I mean, where's the fit? And same with Rogers, to

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Speaker 3: be honest, it's their stage of their career. Is anyone

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Speaker 3: going to say that's our starter, two year deal, seventy million.

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Speaker 2: Well here's the thing. So looking at the list of

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks who are going to be available.

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Speaker 3: And I think Donald's now going to stay on that list.

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, he's gonna be the most expensive, Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 3: no money will call it, Trey Lance, Jacoby Brissette. I

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Speaker 3: end up somewhere in the exact same capacity that he's been.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota, maybe Drew Locke.

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Speaker 3: And no one's inspiring a lot of excitement.

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Speaker 2: Right Andy Dalton, Jared Stidham, Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 3: I think all these guys will be NFL players.

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Speaker 2: H Jameis Winston, Okay, Mac Jones, Jimmy Garoppolo, case Keenum Mason,

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Speaker 2: Rudolph Easton, Stick, Taylor Heineke, Carson Wentz, Cooper Rush, Josh Dobbs,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Allen, Nick Mullins, Kyle Trask, Josh Johnson, c J. Bethard,

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Speaker 2: probably Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah, you know, Jeff Driscoll, Tyler, Huntley,

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Speaker 2: Brett Rippian, Tim Boyle, Wilgrear, Daniel Jones, Shane buschell Ian,

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Speaker 2: Book Bailey, Zappie, Desmond Ritter, Felipe Franks. Not even a

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Speaker 2: tight end, he's a tight end. Yeah, uh, Sam Ellenger,

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Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito and Jason Bean.

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Speaker 3: And the only cap casualty that I think will happen

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Speaker 3: is Cousins. Yeah, that's the Rogers. Rogers. Rogers will be

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Speaker 3: But he made not a free agent, no, okay, but

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Speaker 3: he'll put you know, I think he he made him

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Speaker 3: just retiring, who knows if even plays football next? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So other than Darnold and i'd say Wilson, are there

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Speaker 3: any other start opening day starters on that list? Or

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Speaker 3: and and don't give me Brissette until George Sanders is right,

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Speaker 3: you know, like, is anyone looking.

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Speaker 2: At that Mat Jones until right?

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Speaker 3: I also think Daniel Jones is on that list now

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Speaker 3: he is, okay, because I think it'll end up being

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Speaker 3: like McCarthy and Jones in Minnesota probably probably, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: But there's not much there that exciting.

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Speaker 2: Nothing there that excites in terms of the guys for

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Speaker 2: the outside guys.

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Speaker 3: The outside guys, none of them. I think you could

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Speaker 3: get Car cheap, really excitement. Yeah right, I would rather

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Speaker 3: roll with Wilson then give up a draft pick for Car. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you can pull off a deck or something crazy,

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Speaker 3: it's a different story. But that's far fetched. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know who else is available, Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Other than draft you know, does Rock Party become available

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Speaker 2: forty nine er c? Yeah, we can't. We love Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold when he was here, and we love him so much.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna make him our quarterback, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna let pretty go.

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Speaker 3: I would understand it, but I wouldn't be the one

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Speaker 3: calling him. No. Somebody might think he's a Systems quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's fine, but that doesn't help me beat the Ravens. No,

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Speaker 3: you know, No, I mean I think there's a decent

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Speaker 3: chance that fields in Wilson back.

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Speaker 2: I keep landing on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I mean, could you get them for forty

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Speaker 3: between the two of them, Yeah, I think so. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe give they both want multi year deals if you

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 2: Potentially, But again, the way way that you constructure that,

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Speaker 2: the way these deals are built nowadays, like you can

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Speaker 2: you can always structure that thing without clauses, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we can get out of this in two years or

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Speaker 2: one year with I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, Wilson's deal is not gonna be like Denver's deal. No,

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Speaker 3: you know, they were just all this dead money. If

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Speaker 3: you move on from them or if he gets falls

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Speaker 3: off a cliff. No, but those are your options, folks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not real awe inspiring. It isn't. No,

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Speaker 3: and there'll be an opportunity that we have not yet

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Speaker 3: not yet shown itself.

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Speaker 2: The only guy on this list who I am interested,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I know I've said things about him

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Speaker 2: in the past, largely because he never played in college

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Speaker 2: and then he didn't play in the pros.

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Speaker 3: Lance, buttray Lance, especially if like Wilson left and you

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Speaker 3: get in fields, is your one at fourteen per or whatever? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: hey Trey, you want.

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Speaker 2: To come in and be our backup.

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Speaker 3: And and run the exact same system. Yeah, you guys

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Speaker 3: are gonna run a lot and you might get hurt,

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Speaker 3: you know, right, I mean, that's the nature of your position. Right.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you look at the last might.

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Speaker 3: Even draft the third round running athletic quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys played him in the last game of the

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Speaker 2: season and he didn't look bad. No, right, right, right,

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Speaker 2: But he just hasn't thrown a lot of passes from

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Speaker 2: going all the way back to college. I think in

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Speaker 2: the last like five years, the guy has thrown less

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Speaker 2: than five hundred passes.

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Speaker 3: Because of injuries and yeah, COVID and all kinds of

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Speaker 3: weird stuff. Right, Yeah, he could be a camp you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to give him a ton, right, maybe

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Speaker 3: somebody will, though, that's the I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it goes back to what your assessment was

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Speaker 2: on him coming out.

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Speaker 3: Of the draft. Boy, that's a while ago. I mean

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Speaker 3: it's kind of like Fields that the Cowboys compensation to

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Speaker 3: get him wasn't much. Wasn't much, right, and nor was

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Speaker 3: it with the Steelers of Fields. You know, is he

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Speaker 3: one of those guys changed?

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Speaker 2: He was once a top three pick in the draft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so was Wilson Zach and I think we

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Speaker 3: both want nothing to do with him nothing. I just

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Speaker 3: think that he doesn't have a chance. Yeah, I'd much

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Speaker 3: rather I'd give Lance the same money as him and

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Speaker 3: take my chances. Right, Fields, Lance and a rookie, I

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Speaker 3: don't love it. I mean, right, it's not Mahomes No,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, Josh Allen, No, but there's not Those

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Speaker 3: guys don't grow on trees. Yeah, that's what we're looking at, folks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, you.

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Speaker 2: Can build a hell of a roster around them though.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. I mean, you had other that's not

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Speaker 3: the only resources you're gonna spend this offseason, right in

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Speaker 3: terms of caps and picks.

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Speaker 2: So that's where you're at.

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Speaker 3: That's where you're at.

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Speaker 2: Let's get through a break. That's gonna do it for

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Speaker 2: our number one of the drive here on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back with our number

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Speaker 2: two right after this