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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Richard Jackson with us is known for his work in

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Speaker 2: the psychic and spiritual matters. He and his young daughter

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Speaker 2: had moved into a haunted farmhouse when We're under spiritual attack,

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Speaker 2: which led him to begin to research the paranormal world.

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Speaker 2: Richards was mentored by the late paranormal investigators Ed and

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Speaker 2: Lorraine Warren, and here he is on Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 2: mister Jackson, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Good to be here, George.

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Speaker 2: It's been a one time it sure has. And you've

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Speaker 2: got a new book coming out next year called I

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Speaker 2: Never asked for this, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's uh, we're just editing it now and we're

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Speaker 3: starting book number two.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Good, good for you. We'll get into the subject

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Speaker 2: matter in a second. Tell us a little bit more

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Speaker 2: about how this haunted farmhouse spearheaded you drive into the

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Speaker 2: paranormal world.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was suddenly in a position where the house

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Speaker 3: I own was not the house that I lived in

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Speaker 3: with my daughter.

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Speaker 2: We were in.

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Speaker 4: Connecticut and my home was in Vermont and the situation changed,

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Speaker 4: and a friend of mine said, jeez, I just bought

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Speaker 4: a farmhouse, and he chuckled at how the plumber had

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Speaker 4: stories that, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, scared him. I don't want to ever go there.

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Speaker 3: You could have my tools. The painter never asked for

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Speaker 3: his check. And so my friend, who I've known since

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Speaker 3: I was a kid, we just kind of chuckled and

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Speaker 3: I said, well, you know, how bad could it be?

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Speaker 2: And the moment I walked in the.

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Speaker 3: Door with the first box on that first day, before

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Speaker 3: I put the box down, the house had a bang

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Speaker 3: on the roof three times, like somebody whacked it with

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Speaker 3: a telephone pole.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'll chook.

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Speaker 3: And that was my first little message. You're entering a

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Speaker 3: new phase of your life and something, something special is

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Speaker 3: about to befall you and your daughter.

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Speaker 2: And it did well. You took the right trip, that's

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Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, how did you stumble across ed in

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Speaker 2: Lorraine Warren?

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Speaker 3: When I was looking at what to do? I was

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Speaker 3: calling two or three psychic research organizations, one in New York.

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember their.

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Speaker 3: Names, to be honest, And then I remembered Thelma Moss,

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Speaker 3: who was the UCLA's Dean of the School of Parapsychology

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Speaker 3: and responsible for the one of the movies called The Entity,

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Speaker 3: which was actually based on a true story. We became

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Speaker 3: very good friends. Unfortunately she passed on very soon after,

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Speaker 3: and she and I, you know, we discussed what to do.

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Speaker 3: She said, call the diocese, look around for people. And

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Speaker 3: somebody suggested, why don't you call ed in Lorraine Warren,

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Speaker 3: who I had met on TV in nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 3: and it never occurred.

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Speaker 2: To me to call them.

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Speaker 3: I knew they were in Connecticut, and I asked the

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Speaker 3: person who suggested, how do you get their number? And

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Speaker 3: she said I wanted to try the phone book. I

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Speaker 3: called them. They urged me to come to their events,

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Speaker 3: which I came to everything they did for two weeks,

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Speaker 3: and I started working with them and Ed and I

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Speaker 3: became almost the surreptitious father's son kind of a relationship.

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Speaker 3: And he took me under his wing, and he explained

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Speaker 3: to me that even the pictures that I was taking,

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Speaker 3: many people didn't really believe you can really take pictures

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Speaker 3: of spirits.

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Speaker 2: I believe in.

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Speaker 3: Their book Graveyard, a few of my pictures are in there.

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Speaker 3: They are the first looked at with credibility that they

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Speaker 3: were real, that they were authentic. I have thousands of

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Speaker 3: them to be fear to myself, and some of them

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Speaker 3: are in sequence and are unique in the world. And

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Speaker 3: I waited to release them in the books that are

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Speaker 3: now about to come out. And the reason I waited

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Speaker 3: is I don't believe in people spending several months a

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Speaker 3: year and writing about something that they're ongoing learning. I

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Speaker 3: knew that years have to go by before somebody really

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Speaker 3: it's been thirty six thirty seven years. So the idea is,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to write books to become famous. People

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Speaker 3: know me, people call me from all over, people get

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Speaker 3: in touch with me. I want to release the information

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Speaker 3: I've learned through trial and error, through success, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: You've made the paranormal world basically your career, now, haven't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it extends into things like personal development because

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Speaker 3: things don't happen in vacuum oftentimes. Like somebody asked me,

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Speaker 3: what's the biggest precursor Ouiji boards, and I said, No,

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Speaker 3: it's probably not. It's a very easy word, one word.

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Speaker 3: It's called invitation. When we start looking for something. It's

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Speaker 3: how a seance works. We talk about it, we engage

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Speaker 3: in it, we bring it to us, we play with

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Speaker 3: ritual magic. We're asking for a power that God almighty,

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Speaker 3: however one sees God wouldn't exactly be the one to

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Speaker 3: deliver that kind of stuff. It's coming from another place.

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Speaker 3: I'm finding that early sexual abuse is one of the

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Speaker 3: biggest precursors later in life many of the people, and

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Speaker 3: they're not doing anything wrong, it's just that later in life,

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, if they've had incest or emotional, physical,

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Speaker 3: or sexual attacks when they were younger, they have a

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Speaker 3: very a much higher percentage of people are likely to

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Speaker 3: be pointed or possessed. And there's lots of different kinds

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Speaker 2: There's not just one or two. It's primarily the victims.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say they probably constitute a third of

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Speaker 3: the victims from my point of view. So I'm actually

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Speaker 3: working a lot. In the last twelve years. I seem

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Speaker 3: to go through phases where at times I was doing

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Speaker 3: a lot of work with healing. I'm a hypnotherapist, reiki,

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Speaker 3: rebirthing things like that because they often come from families

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Speaker 3: or people who had trauma or what's called transgenerational trauma

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Speaker 3: in their families, or they just do something stupid, And

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Speaker 3: sometimes it's the best people who've done nothing wrong. It

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Speaker 3: just happens to them. And part of that is the

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Speaker 3: lesson of the universe. We can't always can choose when

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Speaker 3: it rains, when it snows. Sometimes things just happen to

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Speaker 3: us for reasons unknown, but we have to deal with them.

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Speaker 2: What got you into studying exorcisms.

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Speaker 3: Having to keep my house where I was living clear

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Speaker 3: and that my daughter and I were safe. We did

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Speaker 3: clear the house and we stopped by. It was a

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Speaker 3: friend's house, and one evening we were just driving by

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Speaker 3: the year that we just spent there, and.

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Speaker 2: We got attacked.

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Speaker 3: The entity was out of the house, but it wasn't

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Speaker 3: out of the earth plane, and I will never forget that.

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Speaker 3: And right then and there, I knew it may never

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Speaker 3: happen again. But we're susceptible and we're also aware of things,

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Speaker 3: and things try to get the attention of people for

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Speaker 3: one reason. They our energy.

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Speaker 2: Period could you see the entities when they attacked you

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Speaker 3: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The first time, one of the

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Speaker 3: scariest things that happened to me, I saw something coming

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Speaker 3: just by instinct, almost as if I knew something was

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Speaker 3: marching down the hallway in this old farmhouse. And it

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Speaker 3: happened when the priest from the diocese the Heart for

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Speaker 3: Diaces called me, and he started getting very upset. What's

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Speaker 3: going on? What's going on? The next thing I know,

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Speaker 2: Home from work. I had my tool belt.

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Speaker 3: four seconds, which seemed like an eternity. And the priest

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Speaker 3: sounded very upset, said, they're getting me too, They're getting

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Speaker 3: my knees. This is real. I'll get back to you now.

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Speaker 2: You're performing exorcisms yourself right now, aren't you?

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Speaker 3: When the need rises.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you don't have to become a priest to do that.

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Speaker 3: I am a priest, oh you are. I'm an interfaith

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Speaker 2: I know that not a Catholic priest. Uh No.

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Speaker 3: It's actually out of an Episcopal church.

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Speaker 2: Why does it seem Richard, that the Catholic Church has

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Speaker 2: an abundance of exorcists.

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Speaker 3: I'm not so sure they do. It's just that when

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Speaker 3: a when a priest comes and summon cause, like the

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Speaker 3: original book, the Lutherans of of many of the Christian

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Speaker 3: the Methodists, the Lutherans probably have the least tools to

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Speaker 3: the Catholics. And they went to a group of Jesuits.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we all know the story from there,

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Speaker 3: or some of us know the story from there. They

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Speaker 3: deal with it because no one becomes an exorcist. It's

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Speaker 3: not a badge of honor and it's not a badge

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Speaker 3: of disgrace. It's a duty. And oftentimes some people who

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Speaker 3: are willing to do it or are selected to do it,

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Speaker 3: are usually kind of mid level priests who are dependable.

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Speaker 3: They've been around and it's just given to them as

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Speaker 3: a duty to perform. And the Catholic Church is I

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Speaker 3: mean in some places, I'm sure it differs, but they're

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Speaker 3: not so quick to run out and do an exorcism

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Speaker 3: these days. That's a misnomer. They can't afford to priests,

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Speaker 3: and some people go out and have an experience and

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Speaker 3: they're never quite the same, So they don't quickly throw

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Speaker 3: somebody out there to do an exorcism. I don't know

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Speaker 2: Give us your take, Richard on defining an exorcist. An exorcism, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it is a ritual of a communing with the spirit

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Speaker 2: world aka God, godlike beings and asking for their help.

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Speaker 2: We put ourselves in the line of fire, we do it,

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Speaker 2: but it's the help that we get. Somebody asked me,

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Speaker 2: where did I get all these great talents and skills.

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Speaker 2: I went, It's not what I know, it's who I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm lucky.

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Speaker 3: I have friends in high places that I've developed over

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Speaker 3: the years through prayer, through divination, and through actual duty.

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Speaker 3: I don't walk out on people unless they walk out

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Speaker 2: Yes, can you be hurt in an exorcism?

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Speaker 3: I've been hurt very badly in an exorcism, and I'm

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Speaker 3: in a nice home where right now at present, there's

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Speaker 3: two places on my property we're after a spiritual event.

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Speaker 3: One was four hours later, one was a few days

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Speaker 3: later spontaneous fire started. And that is not common. But

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Speaker 3: I like to think that I'm no better than anyone else.

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Speaker 3: But the work I do is not common.

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Speaker 2: Past life regression is that's should you do that too?

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Speaker 2: Sure do what has been one of the strangest things

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Speaker 3: I would say, for one, the idea of spirit and

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Speaker 3: this was told me by a priest, and I believe it.

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Speaker 3: I had the incredible fortune of bonding with a Catholic

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Speaker 3: bishop named Bishop Robert McKenna, who probably was as responsible

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Speaker 3: as Ed and Lorraine Warren were themselves of putting them

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Speaker 3: had a chance to assist him in about eighty exorcisms.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes as we got to know each other, I

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Speaker 3: He would tell the family to hold back a day,

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Speaker 3: give me the keys to their house, and I would

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Speaker 3: then go and exercise the house, because we exercise not

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Speaker 2: First, Let's start with people first. How do you rid

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Speaker 3: I don't take their word for it, George, but I

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Speaker 3: It came with the territory. It was a gift of spirit.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I just know it's a human spirit. That doesn't

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Speaker 3: while they may not sometimes be quite as strong as

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Speaker 3: in human spirits, and believe me, there's not just two.

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Speaker 3: There's many kinds of spirits.

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Speaker 2: They can do that.

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Speaker 3: What I discovered was that a human spirit doesn't always

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Speaker 3: respond to religious criteria. Demonic spirit eventually, if not immediately,

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Speaker 3: will react to the name of God and religious artifacts.

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Speaker 3: I have in my home right now at least five relics,

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Speaker 3: but I'd like to think of myself as an interfaith priest.

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Speaker 3: And do I depend on them, No, but I do

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Speaker 3: bring them along. And one of them when I held

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Speaker 3: it up, the whole house literally came alive.

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Speaker 2: Who generally reports the possession the individual or friends and

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Speaker 2: family of the individual.

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Speaker 3: Usually friends and family. You got that right, So they

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Speaker 3: would come with you. I'm sorry, George, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: They said they would come to you and say, my

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Speaker 2: uncle Bill, I think is possessed by a demon or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Or they would just say he's also just changed

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Speaker 3: everything he does filthy, is dirty at night, and instead

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Speaker 3: all kinds of different things. I've seen many things that

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Speaker 3: are similar, but no case was exactly like another.

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Speaker 2: At all.

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Speaker 3: They're all a little bit different because people are different.

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Speaker 2: Is the possession twenty four to seven or does it

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Speaker 2: go away, come back, go away, come back? In the individual?

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Speaker 3: It is almost never continuous. Even if it is, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't always seem that way by the people's behavior. I

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Speaker 3: like to use the word because it's more appropriate transient possession.

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Speaker 3: It might happen once or twice in a year, It

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Speaker 3: might happen once a day and anything in between. And

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Speaker 3: the point is under possession. If people are really under possession,

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Speaker 3: they have a very vague or absolutely no memory of

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Speaker 2: So they have lapses when this occurs.

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Speaker 3: Usually I would say way in the high nineties, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: lapses are not that ninety percent, but that they lapsed

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Speaker 3: that that was true.

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Speaker 2: The boy never remembered.

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Speaker 3: And I had a family I got very close to

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Speaker 3: was the case with Ed and Lorraine, and Ed noticed

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Speaker 1: Go.

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Speaker 3: And I wound up asking two priests to leave, them

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Speaker 3: to get out because they were affected when they came

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Speaker 1: What to do.

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Speaker 3: And one of them start it asking very weird questions

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Speaker 3: to young children. One started doing dousing with a pendulum,

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Speaker 3: and I just said, look for your own safety, you

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Speaker 3: need to leave.

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Speaker 2: And one of them, I'm not going to leave unless

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Speaker 2: the family wants me to leave.

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Speaker 3: And the wife of the wife said if Richard says.

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