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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with public Land

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Speaker 1: guru case C Smith. All right, folks, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: First Light. You might notice that this is not the

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Speaker 1: voice of Mark Kenyon. He sent me a text last

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Speaker 1: week and said that he picked up a new hobby

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Speaker 1: called duck herding. When I asked him what that was,

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Speaker 1: he said it's all in the name and that he

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Speaker 1: had to go pick up his new flock. So I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know any more, guys. Anyway, today

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking with Casey Smith from The Element. Casey is

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Speaker 1: from Texas, but every year he heads out with his

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Speaker 1: partner in crime, Tyler Jones, to hunt a bunch of

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Speaker 1: different states, all on public Land. Both guys have been

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Speaker 1: on an absolute tear in recent seasons, which is really

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Speaker 1: cool to see. Throughout this show, Casey and I talked

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Speaker 1: about why he chooses to research certain states, what he

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Speaker 1: really factors in before deciding to buy a nonresident white

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Speaker 1: tail tag in one state but not another. This episode

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Speaker 1: is full of good advice if you're interested in taking

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Speaker 1: your hunting on the road, and it's really kind of

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Speaker 1: like a part one. Next week I'm sitting down with

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Speaker 1: Andy May to dive deeper into this hunt planning topic.

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Speaker 1: So we really kind of have a back to back

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Speaker 1: breakdown of this issue for two weeks in a row.

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Speaker 1: Really cool episodes. Casey, how are you doing? Brother? I'm

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Speaker 1: good man. Just had a long not with the Toddler

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Speaker 1: and ray to rock and roll. You know how this goes?

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Speaker 1: You know, like it does it matter how much you sleep?

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Speaker 1: And that's whatever. It's actually kind of uh keeps you

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Speaker 1: in the hunting season mindset all the time, even when

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Speaker 1: you're not on a trip. You know, wait, how does

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Speaker 1: it do that? Well? Just lack of sleep and pure

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Speaker 1: exhaustion all the time. You know, instead of uh being

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Speaker 1: cyclical where you get to come home and rest, you

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Speaker 1: might as well just spend all fall super tired. How

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Speaker 1: how holds the little guy? Now? Uh, don't ask him months.

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Speaker 1: He's pushing on too. He turns two in March, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's uh, he's getting on up there, or we've reached

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Speaker 1: the east to because he understands like his way, you know.

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Speaker 1: So uh, but that's the human condition. We all wanted

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Speaker 1: our way. Yeah, definitely, Man, how has that changed? You know?

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Speaker 1: How is having a little one changed your travel schedule

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Speaker 1: or how you think about being on the road because you,

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Speaker 1: you and Tyler travel a lot for for the element,

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Speaker 1: and I know what it's like to go hunt four

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Speaker 1: or five six states a year and have little kid

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Speaker 1: it's it's uh, you know, honestly, the change is emotional

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Speaker 1: figuring something good out then spending a ton of time

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00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: thinking about point and how to draw and all this stuff.

428
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: That's just I don't really crave that too much. Yeah,

429
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the same way. I do play the

430
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: points game, and you know, in Iowa and I played

431
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: out Western a few states just because just because I

432
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna have, you know, maybe one or two

433
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: really cool oltcons in my life or you know, you

434
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: deer hunt or something. So I but I'm the same way.

435
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: I love a state that will just sell me a

436
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: tag because I know I can do a bunch of

437
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: research and I can go there this year, Yes, exactly.

438
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: And that that's the thing, man, I don't. I live

439
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: my life a little bit scatter brained, and I am

440
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: not the most organized person either, so points don't go

441
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: well with that. You know. It's like, wait, did I

442
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: buy my point this year? I don't remember some states

443
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: if you missed two years, they penalize you. You lose

444
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: them like that that made you want to cry, you

445
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so like, it's just it

446
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: doesn't play well for me. I'm much rather just concentrate

447
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: on the season at hand pretty much kind of like

448
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and you know, it feels good to know.

449
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: And the other thing is to like, um, some of

450
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: these places have public access that's rotating. It might be

451
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: in this year and out next year, and and YadA YadA,

452
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: crops changed and you know this and that it's the

453
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: m r I stuff. Most recent information is what you

454
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: got to work with. And um, I like being and

455
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: I do like to go say, I know I'm gonna

456
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: draw this state or I'm not gonna go hunt this

457
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: state this year. Let's go spend some time in the

458
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: summer or uh, you know, in the early spring, and

459
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: put some boots on the ground there and then hunt

460
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: it just fall. I think that that same year scouting

461
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: is super valuable. Oh me too. You said something about

462
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: Iowa that I think we should dive into a little

463
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: bit because when you talk about habitat and population densities,

464
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: this is something something that drives me absolutely nuts. I

465
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: hear people like I see it on hunting forums, and

466
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, somebody will be like, hey, I'm thinking about

467
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: going to Nebraska this year. Anybody have just just general recommendations,

468
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't want your spot. You know. It's kind of

469
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: like a it's like a cliche at this point, but

470
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: the responses will always be Nebraska's only two public there's

471
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: no public left to get shot out or you know,

472
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: name a state, right, and I'm always like, listen, we're

473
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: talking about white tails here. And so when you think,

474
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: like take Iowa, for example, when you take Iowa and

475
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: you go, okay, I was I don't know what percentage

476
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: of public land Iowa is. It's not super high, but

477
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: the public land it is in Iowa probably isn't tillable,

478
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: so it's probably really good cover for Iowa. And so

479
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: even if only two percent of the land mass of

480
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: Iowa is public, it could be the best ground around.

481
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: It could be the best timber, it could be the

482
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: best river bottoms, and there's like a pretty high likelihood

483
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna tilt that way. And so when you look

484
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: at this stuff, you go, Okay, well maybe this state

485
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: isn't uh, you know, like a typical Western state where

486
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: half of its public and I can go anywhere and

487
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: there's BLM and National Forest and all this stuff. But

488
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: some of these white tails states that don't advertise like

489
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: a ton of public land. The public land is really

490
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: good for white tails, or you know, theoretically it should

491
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be the best cover. And I think

492
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: people kind of get hung up on that and they think, well,

493
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, if there's only only a little bit of

494
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: public land here, you know, patchwork there, it's probably not

495
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: worth going. And it's like, man, I don't know, you

496
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: got to think about what's the core area of a

497
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: white tail. And you know, when you look at Iowa,

498
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: it's like, not only do you have pretty pretty dense

499
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: population in some of those places, you know you're not

500
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna be dealing with winter kill almost almost a guarantee. Yeah,

501
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: they're dealing with some coyotes and maybe some bobcats and

502
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: some of the parts of the state, but you know,

503
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: low hunter population compared to other states. So you start

504
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: factoring all this stuff in and going like, man, even

505
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: though I might only have a smaller amount of public

506
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: land to work with, there should be a really good

507
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: population a deer there. And I know, you guys have

508
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: seen this traveling, Like I see that in places where

509
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, people will complain and be like, oh that

510
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, the deer huntings sucks here And I go

511
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, there's freaking deer everywhere. Like this

512
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: is like Oklahoma that you were just in. Every time

513
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: I go to Oklahoma, I'm like, this place is just

514
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: fun because I know I'm around a ton of deer.

515
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, absolutely, man, you can see it whenever

516
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: you dry to drive around. I was driving around the

517
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: place the other day in Oklahoma scouting, and uh, it

518
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: was kind of neat because I was using uh this

519
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: layer on X where you can see crop data and

520
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know, and there was like a

521
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: bunch of wheat there last year, but this year there's

522
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: only one eight acre pocket that they kind of no

523
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: tilled in, but it's not doing great. But it looks like,

524
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean tunnels through the fence, you know where, because

525
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: I get I would assume that in that situation, it's

526
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: a big creek bottom right with with a decent amount

527
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: of cover around. Um, but deer have been depending on

528
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, three or four out acres wheat there for

529
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: a couple of years at least, and there's been a

530
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: decent population build up. Well now they just all concentrated

531
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: on this one tiny field because it's the only thing

532
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: that got planned with wheat. And man, there's a lot

533
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: of deer around, just like you're saying, you know, and

534
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: things like that. That's where like being on the ground

535
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: is just kind of invaluable, you know, because it can't

536
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: map scout that you can't figure that out from just

537
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: looking at the map. But but yeah, man, I think

538
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: that people super underrate the amount of public land that

539
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: there is. I'm from Texas, right, and that's also kind

540
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: of cliche. Everybody knows Texas at him with public land,

541
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: but there's some we hunt it, you know, um, and

542
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 1: it's not bad hunting. The thing you're gonna deal with

543
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: in these states that have low amounts of public land

544
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: if they are over the counter low relative, right, um,

545
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: is uh, lack of age class usually because deer get shot.

546
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're willing to accept that and

547
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: be happy to go shoot a three year old somewhere, yeah,

548
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's cool. And you know, I was

549
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: different because it's pretty tough to draw and fairly expensive

550
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: to get into, so you get kind of the best

551
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: of both worlds. But um, the people who say like, oh,

552
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: there's not much public land, I feel like that's a

553
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: very Western perspective, you know, like if you're from the east,

554
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: and you know put that in air quotes, right, pretty

555
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: much anything east of the Rockies, Um, I guess east

556
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: of the Plane States you're kind of used to that.

557
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: You know, Like shoot, man, you start thinking about it,

558
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Texas is uh two point six percent huntable public land,

559
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: and of that you can hunt deer like one point

560
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: four ur or less. So it's just you know, the percentage.

561
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: It sounds just you know, abysmally, it sounds terrible. But um,

562
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: you start looking at a state that's you know, the

563
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: size of Poland and then you realize, oh, that's still

564
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: a decent amount of acreage, you know, so there's there's

565
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: some ground to hunt, you know, and like you're saying, uh,

566
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: we don't have as good a crops, but you know,

567
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the flat grounds and cattle production or

568
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: hat production, so um, all the stuff that ended up

569
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: in core engineers or whatever is all kind of bottom lands.

570
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: And you know you got your habitat Yeah, well a

571
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: couple of things there. So when you talk about, you know,

572
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: maybe not the best age class on public land, like

573
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: that's a that's a very common complaint, but it's also

574
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: the reality that most of us, if we're traveling out

575
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: of state, we want to go we'll have a good hunt.

576
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: You throw a dart on the map, man, if it

577
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: lands near some woods or some cover, there's a buck

578
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: that probably uses that that all of us would be

579
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: happy with. And so a lot of people plan their

580
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: hunts around you know, I really want a one forty

581
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: or one fifty plus or something, and that's kind of

582
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: a scary thing to focus on. Instead you should be

583
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: looking at just like where can I go to have

584
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: have a badass hunt? And I really would caution people

585
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: there's there's such a we're in a weird place with

586
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: public land right right now, because it's it's freaking busy,

587
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: and it's busy across the spectrum right like, doesn't matter

588
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: what you're hunting, but there's still great opportunity is out there.

589
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of loud voices that are

590
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: bitching about it about all of this pressure. And if

591
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: you if you're interested in traveling out of state, you

592
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: might you might visit a bunch of different sites that

593
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: are dedicated to traveling to hunt or you know, these

594
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: forums or whatever, and you you're gonna hear a ton

595
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: of negative stuff and like, but I I almost think

596
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: you should not use any of that stuff. And and

597
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: I know it's like it's a dangerous blanket statement, but

598
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: you don't know who you're getting advice from, Like, you

599
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: don't know what their motivations are. You have no idea

600
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: if they know how to hunt. And so you might

601
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: have somebody telling you not to come there because all

602
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: the dear Diety h D or the rifle hunters shoot

603
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: them all. This person might not have killed a buck

604
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. They might just be a

605
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: keyboard warrior, right, And so I think, really, and I'm

606
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: curious if you guys do this, But when when you

607
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: go hunt a bunch of different states on public land

608
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: and your camping and you're doing your thing, you just

609
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: realize how much BS is out there, and how how

610
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: what we think and we say we know and what

611
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: we believe. When you go out there, you just realize, like, Nope,

612
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: it's totally different. There's there's quality to be had, there's action,

613
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: packed hunts to be had. There's just fun, enjoyable hunting,

614
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: and it's not easy, Like it's not gonna be easy,

615
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: but it's always worth it. And so you kind of

616
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: got to close those browser windows, stop listening to those people,

617
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: and just go, I would love to hunt Missouri, or

618
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I would love to hunt whatever. I'm just gonna do

619
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: it and start really doing that that maps coding that

620
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about and the research for yourself and just go.

621
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Just acknowledge that there's gonna be enough deer there for you,

622
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be deer. They're gonna make you happy

623
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: right off the bat. Yeah. Absolutely, And I think that

624
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: you need to model yourself as the top of person

625
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: who can be happy, because if you just have a

626
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: mentality where you're just not very happy, you're not gonna

627
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: be happy with the hunt. You get what I'm saying,

628
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: Like it takes a value to be a tra aveling

629
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: public plan hunter. You have to, uh, you have to

630
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: be able to appreciate what you're doing, appreciate the landscape

631
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: here and appreciate the animals and and like it. You know,

632
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: not to be too hippie, right, but I can't. I

633
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: am a little bit of a hippie. So like you,

634
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: you need to know like how to be happy. You

635
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: need to figure that out, and then you can be

636
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: happy with the type of deer that you shoot, right,

637
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: And I think for sure we run into that a ton.

638
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: And then I used to just just be all over

639
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: the hunting forms and stuff, you know, just listening, trying

640
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: to pick up on little things and taking notes and

641
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: all that. And now I just realized that, man, it's

642
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: an inverse bill curve um, you know, and there's gonna

643
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: be a whole bunch of people on each side. There's

644
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna be guys that are that you and this. These

645
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: guys usually the people you talk to in a camp

646
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: or something like that. Oh yeah, man, there's been three

647
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: one seventies killed here, you know, like those guys, and

648
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: then and uh, there's the other guys like, oh man,

649
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: it's terrible. There's hunters everywhere, and uh, you know, e

650
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: h D is just it's been killing us. And it's like,

651
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, what, if you just go show up at

652
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, said state on a piece of public ground,

653
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: spend three days, you'll figure something out and probably find

654
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: some deer. You know, it might not be withmany but

655
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: you'll see something which is kind of on the middle

656
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: of all that. Yeah, and what what's cool about it

657
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: is at least with white tails now. And this is

658
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: this is why I know people get mad when you

659
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: encourage people to go hunt public land, But really we've

660
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: just got good opportunities right now, and I don't I'm

661
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: not confident they're going to be here in the future

662
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: as far as like over the counter tags and places

663
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: you can just buy your tag online and go show

664
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: up and hunt and have a great hunt. And so

665
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, take advantage of that now because we don't

666
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: know where that's going. But you know, there's there's also

667
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: the reality of doing this where it's like and you

668
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to this. You know, if you if

669
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: you hunt at home and you've got your lease or

670
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: your grandma's farm or whatever, and you're you know, go

671
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: to the same tree stands over and over and you're like, man,

672
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to go saddle up and be mobile, Like

673
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: find a state, find a find a situation that's gonna

674
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: allow you to do that, or like you mentioned earlier,

675
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: if if the if you're kind of squirreling, you got

676
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of a d h D going on in

677
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: your brain and you want to go try to find

678
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: deer and stock them. There's states they're going to sell

679
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: you a tag where you can do that. Like there's

680
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: there's opportunities to expand your worldview of white tales. That's

681
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: what's so cool about it. Like it's not just go

682
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, Like the Iowa thing is a perfect example.

683
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: Everybody says, I want to go to Iowa because I

684
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: want to kill a big one. Man. I drew Iowa

685
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: last year, and I had more fun hunting there than

686
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: anywhere because I saw so many deer. Like I knew

687
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: I was going to go in and I could get

688
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: I could get a layer back from the other guys

689
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: who were hunting this public that I was on and

690
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: I was I wasn't gonna blink. And you know how

691
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: it is like when you hunt a state like that,

692
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: you see enough deer, one of them is going to

693
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: be freaking awesome, or a couple of them are, and

694
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: it's just it's so fun to hunt that way and

695
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: have that and you and I've seen that in states.

696
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just Iowa, right, Like some of

697
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: these states where people just really don't know how good

698
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: they have it. You can go and have see a

699
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: ton of deer and have an awesome hunt and it's

700
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: freaking over the coner man, it's amazing. Yeah, absolutely, And

701
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: I think that when you start planning and think about

702
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: your hunts, you look at these states that everyone knows

703
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: is amazing and uh, hunt the fringes of those. Man.

704
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, if if you want to go and have

705
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: a good hunt, you can do it anywhere. But if

706
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to find a place to start and you

707
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: don't really know how to do that, like you zone

708
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: in on whatever state, I hate to put a spot out,

709
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: but you know, you find one of those states that

710
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: everybody knows, great state to hunt. Oh yeah, man, it's awesome. Well,

711
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: you know what, there's there's state boundaries right there pretty

712
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: close to that that you can probably have a pretty

713
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: good hunt on too. You know, it's not it's not

714
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: super hard to figure out. And you know, I've I've

715
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: done some of that and guess what, the quality of

716
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: bucks on that side of that imaginary line are about

717
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: the same as over here. Uh. You know, there might

718
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: be a little bit increased hunting pressure depending on what's

719
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: going on or whatever, but um, it's but there are

720
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: so many arbitrary, imaginary lines that we place on ourselves

721
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: that animals don't give a hoot about. Um. And you

722
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: can take this back to uh, we've been talking a

723
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: lot about this, like Rhodes man, and I know we're

724
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: talking on a big scale, but um, dude, dear, don't

725
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: give a hoot about roads, not even major interstates. Man.

726
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, of course they they're going to consider

727
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: it when they cross one because there's a bunch of

728
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: cars and stuff. But um, we were hunting somewhere this

729
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: year and there were deer crossing the interstate every day,

730
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: just not like, hey, it's the rut. I'm gonna do

731
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: something weird, just like how they lived, you know. And

732
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: you take that and then you apply to white rock

733
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: that you find in Iowa, Missouri or whatever, like they

734
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: don't care at all, you know, it does not matter

735
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: one bit. And we think about like, oh, I don't

736
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: know if I want to hunt next to that road,

737
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: you know whatever? Tywa, Tywa? What am I saying? Tyler

738
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: kild in Iowa. That's how fast I talked sometimes, Man,

739
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: I just come fitnesses into one word. Tyler kildan, Iowa.

740
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: On a place that we mask at it. That was

741
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: eighty yards from a road, you know, on public ground,

742
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: and it's just like, yeah, I probably wouldn't hunt right

743
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: next to the parking area because that's kind of a

744
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: foreign thing to do, you know, like, oh, you know,

745
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: I could have run there. But dear, don't care about

746
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: this stuff that we make up, you know, they just don't.

747
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 1: They don't care. And it goes back to the rut

748
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: schedule all that stuff. We saw. Deer in Kansas also

749
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: locked down on Doze um, you know on November five,

750
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not there's not a specific There

751
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: might be uh in other states. And I'm not gonna

752
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: uh down anybody who has a ton more knowledge than me,

753
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: like say Bill Winky friends, since I love Bill Winky.

754
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: Bill Wink is so smart and he's such a good

755
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: deer hunter, such a nice guy. Um, he believes in

756
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: specific lock down dates, right, and very well could be

757
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: that on the places he's hunted inn Iowa, having hunted

758
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: those places. But I don't see that, you know, hardly

759
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: at all. I think that in any point in time

760
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: the month of November, you can have a buck who's

761
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: wanting to hang out with buddies, you can have a

762
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: buck that's running around being crazy zombie mode chasing those,

763
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: and you can have a buck that's hanging out with

764
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: this girl. He's gonna make sure he is within five

765
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: feet of her all day long, you know. And that's

766
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: just that's what I've seen. So that's completely the other

767
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: direction of what we were just talking about. But yeah,

768
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: there's kind of bring it back out. Like for people

769
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: who are planning hunts and thinking about going on places,

770
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: don't let human boundaries affect your deer hunting right in

771
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: in every sense of the word boundary except for property lines,

772
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: because you probably don't want to cross on a private

773
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: property unless you have permission. That I think I find

774
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: myself when I when I think about this stuff, I

775
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: find myself having to what kind of default to the negatives?

776
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: Right Like we we say, okay, there's gonna be too

777
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: many people or you know that interstates right there, so

778
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to hunt by that. We we we

779
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: go negative a lot. But the positive thing about white

780
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: tails is they're going to tell you where they are.

781
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: They leave a lot of sign and so you know

782
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: your example of you know, Tyler killing right by an interstate.

783
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean I I scouted a spot in Iowa. I

784
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't hunt it, but I scouted a spot right along

785
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: the interstate where I'm positive you could have killed a

786
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: big one fifty yards from that interstate. Like I found

787
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: spots where I was like, holy sh it, like they're

788
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: they're cruising right along this, they're crossing it. I found

789
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: places where they were crossing it, and it's like you

790
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: would look at that and go, that's probably not where

791
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: I want to hunt, or there's not gonna be deer there.

792
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: Then you walk in and they tell you like they

793
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: let you know, and it's the same thing, like you're

794
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: you're anecdote about the parking lots and you know everybody

795
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: you know it was get seven miles back in the

796
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: back country for white tails, it was get a mile

797
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: or two back. Now it's like, you know everybody's doing that,

798
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: so you can kill one right by the parking lot.

799
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, there's a little from column A,

800
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: a little from column B. But the reality is they're

801
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: just gonna show you. And I know I've had times

802
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: in my life where I felt like I had to

803
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: get back so far where you just you're like they

804
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: are pushed act. A couple of layers deep. And there's

805
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: times where you're walking back there to those spots and

806
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: you run across tons of sign right by the parking area.

807
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean I've killed I've killed a couple of bucks

808
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: in different states where I could see my truck like

809
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: two minute drags back there, and you're not a public land.

810
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: You're like, this is stupid, but you just look and go,

811
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: this is where they are. And so it's a matter.

812
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, people people when they're planning these hunts or

813
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: they're like, i'd like to go try that. You get

814
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: you fall in love with these ideas that you're east scouting,

815
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: and and east scouting is super important, like I fully

816
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: believe that. But it's like a foundation and then you

817
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: get there and you gotta go, Okay, well, I love

818
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: this spot. I dropped a pin here, I love this

819
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: body dropped a pin here. Pay attention what you see

820
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: on the way in and the way out, and pay

821
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: attention to whether you were right or wrong, because you

822
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: get that stuff wrong all the time. But somewhere in

823
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: that process, if you have that kind of rough plan

824
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: but you're open to freelancing in a little bit, you're

825
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: gonna run across that concentration assigned somewhere. Even if you're

826
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: in the big woods, eventually you're gonna run across something,

827
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: even if it's just one community scrape or whatever that

828
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: speaks to you. It's out there, and it's just it's

829
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: so freaking fun to show up where you don't know

830
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: where that's gonna be, and then when you find it

831
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: in that place is just humming. It's so cool. Yeah, absolutely, man.

832
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: You know something else that you talk about, the walk

833
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: in and that kind of stuff and finding stuff in

834
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: the way and something else that people don't like to do.

835
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: Um that can really benefit you when it comes to

836
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: like actually going in hunting is uh, guys are down

837
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: with the walk in far thing nowadays, right, But a

838
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: lot of times I feel that people don't want to

839
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: walk in through junk, like just terrible places to go

840
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: get to that stuff. Like you and it's kind of

841
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: like the scenic thing almost where it's like, well, I'll

842
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: walcome mile in, but I kind of want to go,

843
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, through this creek crossing and look, walk through

844
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: some timber and get there. Whereas in Oklahoma, at the

845
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: best spot we found the other day, you had to

846
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: walk through three quarters of a mile of gray east

847
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: to two inches just nasty just across the hay meta

848
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: right to get to this spot, and um, it's just

849
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: not very scenic, right, it's not very enjoyable, especially when

850
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: it's thirty five and windy to just walk out across

851
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: there and get blasted. And I think that, Um, and

852
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: you have to decide what you want, right, If you

853
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: want to go in and kill a deer, then you've

854
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: got to be able willing to do that. If you

855
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: want to have, um, a pretty walk in, then you

856
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: don't do that, you know. But but I think that's

857
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: something else that kind of stems off of what you're

858
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: talking about. It's like, uh, don't, um, you know, fall

859
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: love of the spot because the whole area looks great. Man,

860
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: you only need, like you just needed Buck to be

861
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: in one spot to kill him, right, he needs he

862
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: needs to be twenty yards from you one time. That's all.

863
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: That's all you need. Like you don't have to have

864
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: this place that's just beautiful or whatever that you walk into,

865
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, right, like hunting next to the interstate stuff. Man,

866
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy. Only did it one time this

867
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: year because I just it handle that concept. And it's

868
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: because that's not what I wanted out of the hunt. Um.

869
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: It also probably helped that I didn't see a booner

870
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: in there that day, but if I did, I probably

871
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: wouldn't hunted there a lot, you know, So, uh it

872
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. And still even on stuff stuff

873
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: like that, you can learn on the way in and

874
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: figure out, hey, this isn't where I need to be

875
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: because you know what, on that same hunt we went in,

876
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: I already told you about putting that stalk from that

877
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: deer that was a failed stalk, but realized you can

878
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: glass from that position, and then realized how much the

879
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: deer we're still using that bald, nasty hay meta. Early

880
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: in the morning, right there was like a grove of

881
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: trees out there that uh, I think they were soap berries.

882
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: And in the summertime they folly just so thick that

883
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: it blocks out the sun. Well the winter, there was

884
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: a ton of green grass growing up underneath there, and

885
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: you know sometimes once it gets to December, it's dirt

886
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: and green grass. That's all they got to eat, you know.

887
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: And there's these little even as little food pockets. Says,

888
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: you don't even realize you're there, you know, And it

889
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: takes that nation stuff, that learning that you do on

890
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: the fly out there to realize that stuff. We've been

891
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: really conditioned to fall in love with the aesthetics of

892
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: certain places. The turkey hunters do this all the time,

893
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: right Like if you if you public land, turkey hunt

894
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: a lot that kind of dreamy pastured woods that you know,

895
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: with the cornfield in the corner like that, that kind

896
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: of place that would be so awesome to run and

897
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: gun on private land, that that place will be worthless

898
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: on public land for turkeys. And turkeys figure it out.

899
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: And so when you think about white tails, they just

900
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: are where they are. And a lot of times it's

901
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: not the nice places we want to hunt, you know.

902
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: I know a lot of states have you know, state

903
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: planet planted food plots or you know, the the lease

904
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: out some ground and you know it looks amazing, right Like,

905
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: it looks like the kind of place if you showed

906
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: up on a private chunk, he'd be like, I'm setting

907
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 1: up on the edge of this. But when you get

908
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: there on public you just go, this is this is

909
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: just a place everybody's gonna be and you start you

910
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: start figuring out that what I like to look at

911
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: and what I'd kind of like to sit and hunt

912
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: in is probably not where these deer going to be,

913
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: because we're all kind of wired to do that. And

914
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: you get these moments when you do these kind of

915
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: hunts where you figure out that those deer, even though

916
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, like a prime example where I've killed a

917
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: bunch of bucks in South Dakota, there's egg mixed in.

918
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: There's a lot of walk in area stuff, so it's

919
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: it's working ranches, looks amazing, and you can you can

920
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: find good bucks on that stuff. But a lot of

921
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: times I find those deer back in these meadows and

922
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: back in these places, on these benches where they're browsing,

923
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're ending up on that egg at

924
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: some point and starting there in the morning. But where

925
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: they're killable are the places that just don't look as deery,

926
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: but that's where they're at, and it so consistent, and

927
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: so you kind of have to reframe your thought process.

928
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: If you're if you're planning on going on an out

929
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: of state white tail trip and you've only ever hunted

930
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, private land in your home state, permission base, whatever,

931
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: you sort of have to go, Okay, this is going

932
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: to be a different thing probably, like this is where

933
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: the deer are going to be in that state I

934
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: want to go to, and how they're going to use

935
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: the land is going to be somewhat different probably than

936
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: what I'm used to. And I think a lot of

937
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: people struggle with that. The same thing with you know,

938
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: trail cameras. If you if you take a bunch of

939
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: trail cameras with you on a trip and you've got

940
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: five or six days, like that's probably not a great

941
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: idea for most hunts because you're you're working backwards on

942
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: that and you need to be in the moment more

943
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: and so you have to think, like, Okay, this this

944
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: trip that I'm planning, this is a different thing than

945
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: what I do all year at home. And I think

946
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: I think people until you really expose yourself to that,

947
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to understand and hard to get

948
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: into that different mode. But it's pretty necessary. Yeah, that's

949
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: a that's a thing that outdoor TV has sold somewhat

950
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: of the we're gonna show up and put truck camera

951
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: out and see you know, and and uh, you know,

952
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: not to be rude to those guys or whatever. You know,

953
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: all those guys are pioneers, but that just isn't very

954
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: um applicable for a five to seven day out of

955
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: state hunt. There are a few things. One thing that

956
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: we do, uh, in this specific situation you're talking about,

957
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: we use some multi sale camps, right and and will

958
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: uh find a piece of you know, maybe state planet

959
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: Baggs stuff or whatever on some public ground, hang that

960
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: camera on a obvious trail that you know it's gonna

961
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: be nighttime. But you can somewhat plan if you if

962
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: you're good at scouting, you can say, Okay, that buck

963
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: was there at ten PM. I know which direction of

964
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: travel is. Let's go back and find that sucker and

965
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: killing a half mile from the camera, right and Uh,

966
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: that's something I've seen. Another thing I've learned from you is, um,

967
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: I think you know, when we first started talking about stuff,

968
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: probably you knowen something like that. Um, you're big on

969
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: October and hunting deer then, and I think that when

970
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: you start talking about going to public land and finding

971
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: these places that look really good, be like, man, every

972
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: other guy is gonna be in there. Well that he

973
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: is true, But you can actually hunt at times when

974
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot less people than others you know,

975
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: uh Tyler planning to his Iowall hunt in twenty nineteen,

976
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of on the front and back end of the

977
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: vacation toyp hunts. You can then, you know, think about

978
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: the same thing. We go to UM South Dakota for

979
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: October one archery opener and hardly ever see another person

980
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: that's hunting white tails because you know, there's uh if

981
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: you hunt private ground in South Dakota, you can start

982
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: in September and then after that a lot of people

983
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: are trying to hunt Mulei's anyways, and then every everybody

984
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: else is kind of waste in the run rut. You

985
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: can go up there in October when there's hardly anybody

986
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: around and sit on this you know, picturesque spot and

987
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: shoot a deer because it wants a hunt dere on

988
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: October four. You know, that's at least that's kind of

989
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: the what it seems people have the opinion of. So

990
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of a thing that you

991
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: can also figure in if you're trying to hunt out

992
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: of state, especially on the early on the front end

993
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: of that UM you know, push for pressure in November

994
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: October is a pretty cool spot, especially if you want

995
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: to go try something new. Um, you can still make

996
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: it home or wherever your traditional rut hunts body is,

997
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: go tr October somewhere else, you know, especially if you're

998
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: kind of from the south, you can go further north

999
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: a little big, get some cooler weather, and see some

1000
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: pretty good deer man. Well, you know, my thing with

1001
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: October came from growing up in a state with a

1002
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: super early gun season and just you know, not never

1003
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: so many years in my life I never relied on

1004
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: the rut at all because it wasn't an option, and

1005
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: so it just hunted when I could, which was I

1006
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: hunted every chance I could. Let me put it this

1007
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: way for years and years and years, and you just realize, like, Okay,

1008
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: these guys are telling me middle October sucks, but I'm

1009
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: going out here and I'm having fun hunts, Like what's

1010
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: going on? Here's a disconnect here. And then when you

1011
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: when you see there's trends in the hunting population, and

1012
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: you see these things we just internalized so much, and

1013
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm a contrarian. I'm like, I don't want to be

1014
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to be there when everybody else is there.

1015
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: I would rather theoretically have harder hunting quote unquote in

1016
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: the middle October and have fewer people to deal with

1017
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: than just show up during the rut. And I think

1018
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people make a planning mistake around this.

1019
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: They go, I gotta be in Nebraska in September one

1020
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: because I want a velvet buck. Well, yeah, you and

1021
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: other guys are thinking the same thing. Or you know

1022
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: that the rut is even more popular probably in most

1023
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: of these states, and you go, I gotta be there

1024
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: on November seven, that's the date, And listen, you can

1025
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: have amazing rut hunts on public land. You can. But

1026
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: you're you're saying, I'm I'm gonna play this in a

1027
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: way where I hope the deer out of their minds

1028
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: and they're running everywhere. But I also know there's gonna

1029
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: be more pressure in the woods with me, more competition

1030
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: than any other point of this season except maybe opening weekend.

1031
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: And then you've got all this space between there, and

1032
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: you go, listen, do I do I want to just

1033
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: try to work the deer, or do I want to

1034
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: have to factor in, like heavily factor in the pressure.

1035
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm like, I want to compete against

1036
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: the deer. They're they're a hell of a lot easier

1037
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: to work with than you know, when the parking lots

1038
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: start filling up and people are everywhere, and this is

1039
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: a this is a message people like I think they

1040
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: don't believe it, almost like because we've heard it so much.

1041
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: But go spend some time doing this. And I say this,

1042
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: so a great way to plan your first hunt is

1043
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: pick a state like Oklahoma or some state that's gonna

1044
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: be a target rich environment probably, And but you know,

1045
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: you maybe aren't necessary really going their dream in a

1046
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: one sixties, right, You're like, I just want to go

1047
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: have a good hunt. Maybe kill a couple of doughs,

1048
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: maybe run into a decent buck, whatever, maybe a pig.

1049
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: Just go to have a fun hunt. Do it in

1050
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: a time where you're like, I'm not gonna feel guilty

1051
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: because I'm missing a rut hunt, right Like, I'm not

1052
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna feel guilty because I should be here there wherever,

1053
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: and go experience that, you know, like go go spend

1054
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: that time, go camp for a few days, and go

1055
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: hunt during those off times when you have lower expectations.

1056
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: You have less into it than maybe waiting that three

1057
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: or four or five years for the Iowa tag and

1058
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: see what you can come up with, because you're going

1059
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: to have a hell of a lot of fun. I

1060
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: bet yeah, absolutely. And the thing that Tyler and I

1061
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: talked about a lot is go hunt places that, um

1062
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: you have to find sign as opposed to interpret sign.

1063
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: Like I can't imagine showing up to Iowa after waiting

1064
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: five years and just being like, what do I do

1065
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: because there's this isn't the truth, but it feels like

1066
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: there's a scrape in a rub almost every tree and

1067
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, and you're like, oh, I'll

1068
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: just go right here. You know. But if you go

1069
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: to some of these states and you you learn a

1070
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: little bit more about traveling and hunting, interpreting sign and

1071
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: doing that, you'll be way more prepared for when you

1072
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: do draw that good tag. You know, like if you

1073
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: have to go and figure out how to kill a

1074
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: deer in say North Dakota, then whenever you do draw Iowa,

1075
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: you it's not your first time trying to figure out

1076
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: how to kill a deer on public ground, you know.

1077
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,479
Speaker 1: And you've seen the difference in nighttime sign that's laid

1078
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: down in daytime signus laid down, and you've hunted, say

1079
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: you know, if you're wanting to plan hunts and thinking

1080
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: about drawing up a hunt like Iowa or something else,

1081
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: go hunt some hill country somewhere else, assuming depending on

1082
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: what you you're gonna hunt, you know, but go practice

1083
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: in a state that's easier to draw or you know,

1084
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: over the counter that's similar habitat, and learn how the

1085
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: deer interact and act there. It's not gonna be too

1086
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: different in Iowa or you know, wherever you go. I

1087
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: hate to keep saying out, but it's it's just what's

1088
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: relative to me, right, Um, Like you'll you'll know what

1089
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: to do there. You know, you'll know, oh, hey, they

1090
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: run the tops of the ridges whenever they're you know,

1091
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: trying to smell does or whatever it might be. Right,

1092
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: It's it's all about accumulating knowledge, and the way you

1093
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: do that is experience. I mean, dude, I would take

1094
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: three days in the woods over a year's worth of

1095
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: reading form comments, you know what I mean. Like, it's

1096
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: you can you can learn from both, but it's you know,

1097
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: it's the difference in practice and playing, you know what

1098
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean. It's it's just it's just so much different. Well, yeah,

1099
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: and you know there's a there's a good point to

1100
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: acknowledge there too. On so much of the hunting advice

1101
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: that's doled out from from everyone. Everyone who does this

1102
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: is big Bucks, big Bucks, big Bucks. Here's how you

1103
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: find big Bucks. Here's how you kill big Bucks. Here's

1104
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: how you set up, here's how you call them. But

1105
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: when you start traveling and you go, I'm gonna I'm

1106
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna burn seven days a vacation, I'm gonna go hunt

1107
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: this date because I've always wanted to. What you realize

1108
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: is your first job, whether you kind of even acknowledge

1109
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: it or not, Like it's intuitively, you know, I have

1110
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: to find a dear concentration first, like I have to

1111
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: I have to figure out you know, I know, I

1112
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: have a square mile or five square miles of land here.

1113
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: I gotta find some pockets of deer. Then start whittling

1114
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: it down and we we kind of go in and go, oh,

1115
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's night sign or this is only

1116
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: where does live or whatever. But really, when you start

1117
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: finding where deer concentrate, you're going to have one that

1118
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: you want to shoot there. And it's like a I mean,

1119
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: I know I said this earlier, but I'm always so

1120
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: surprised on you know, I'll put in so much ea

1121
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: scouting time and sometimes just nail it. Like sometimes I'm like,

1122
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: holy crap, I did a good job here. But a

1123
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of times I show up and I go, this

1124
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: is not It's not what I expected. And so you go, Okay, Well,

1125
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: I gotta kind of go back to the drawing board.

1126
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: And I did this in Iowa. Uh last year when

1127
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: I drew. I mean I had freaking way points. I

1128
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: mean I had put in a stupid amount of time.

1129
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: I had been down there turkey hunt and look around.

1130
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: And I got down there opening day and I just

1131
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I don't really have a plan,

1132
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: like I have I have these spots. And so I

1133
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: hunted the first night and that and after that night,

1134
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta go fine deer, Like even

1135
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 1: all this work I've done, like I still don't feel

1136
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: like I'm on a concentration. And so I sand backed

1137
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: the morning and I went and hiked around and I

1138
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: found three spots where I was like, I'm on a

1139
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: concentration of deer and there's bucks here, and every one

1140
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: of them proved to be freaking awesome. But it was

1141
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: like it was like kind of humbling right to be, Like, dude,

1142
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: you've spent so many hours East scouting and so many

1143
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: hours thinking about this and you still got it wrong

1144
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: and had to just get there on October two or

1145
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: whatever it was and just walk around and go, Okay,

1146
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: this trails pounded their scrapes there, there's rubs there, there's

1147
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,479
Speaker 1: obvious fresh sign. Now I have these three different little

1148
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: areas that I can start really you know, diving into

1149
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: and start observing, start figuring things out. And it's like, man,

1150
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: it's just the whole process has to be there, and

1151
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: we kind of like the idea of just you know,

1152
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: getting some insider information or you know, finding this pinch

1153
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: point on east scouting, it's gonna be good enough. It's like, no,

1154
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: all that could be great, it doesn't mean anything until

1155
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: you get out there and you're really ground truth this stuff.

1156
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely there's a number of things that could be wrong

1157
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: with this. Last time, for instance, I went to Oklahoma.

1158
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: I've been to Oklahoma twice this uh you know, mid

1159
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: to late November and then once in December, and uh

1160
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: got up there, had to rework my spots the first

1161
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: time because they weren't as good as I hoped because

1162
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: the egg was different than I expected to be found

1163
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: something out, learned something on about day three and had

1164
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: to come home on day five, right, and had some

1165
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: good encounters with some bucks, just didn't get shoot one um.

1166
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay, ready to go. The next

1167
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: time I go up there, I know exactly the place

1168
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: to be, go in there, and there's a hundred cows

1169
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: in the place. All of a sudden, it's like, oh gosh,

1170
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, and you have to relearn all this stuff

1171
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: all over again, and being able to adapt and learn

1172
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: and change is super important. You cannot fall in love

1173
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: with a place like a specific spot, because honestly, it's

1174
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: not that you love that and you think that it's

1175
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: a great place to kill a deer. It's that you're

1176
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: prideful and you think that you were smarter than the

1177
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: environment around you, or however you want to phrase that, right,

1178
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: And you gotta put away the pride and just do

1179
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: what it takes to maybe find a deer and have

1180
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: to be able to look yourself in the eye in

1181
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: the mirror and say, you know what, I gotta scratch

1182
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: that whole last week of information that I got that

1183
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: I learned and start over and that's the way it has.

1184
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, you just have to be able to accept

1185
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And it's hard for me to

1186
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: do that, it really is. I do my um, I

1187
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: have a conviction to be as humble as I can.

1188
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's so hard to make

1189
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: yourself humble, right, other things make you humble. You are humbled.

1190
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: You do not humble yourself, right. Uh So, uh the

1191
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: more I hunt, I can see it happening a little bit.

1192
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm not good at it yet, but being able to

1193
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: not waste days on a bad spot because you're telling you, oh,

1194
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: it's good, it's gonna be good, it's gonna be good.

1195
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: Because I mean, realistically, for guys, not a lot of

1196
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: guys can go to Kansas and spend nine days like

1197
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: I did this year. I realized that, you know, I'm

1198
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: blessed in that aspect. I'm just thankful for for the opportunities, right,

1199
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: But I mean, most guys take off Thursday and Friday

1200
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: and make a long weekend of it whenever they get

1201
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: to go on a hunt, you know, and um man,

1202
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: if you or in that boat and still I feel

1203
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: this way on a nine day hunt, I have a

1204
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: morning that I feel like it's completely wasted and I

1205
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: didn't learn anything. I'm just like down in the dumps

1206
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 1: about it, you know, because you're just you. There's twelve

1207
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: hours of your life you'll never get back on a

1208
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: hunt that might be seventy two hours left, and you're like,

1209
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: holy you know, I have to do the same thing

1210
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: over again to night and try to put something together

1211
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't work out, you know, And I

1212
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: think that's it's it's huge, a huge thing for us

1213
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: to learn is that you need to just put any

1214
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: ego or whatever you have aside and just do what

1215
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: it takes to kill a deer. And it sounds so cliche,

1216
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: but it's not the I'm gonna work hard or be stronger,

1217
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: be faster, be a better shot, all that stuff. It's

1218
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: it's the hey, I'm gonna take what I'm giving and

1219
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: do the best with it. You know. You approach, it's

1220
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: a different direction. I think that's that's what helps kill deer,

1221
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: you know well, And you know on that note, I mean,

1222
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: one of the things I preach about all the time

1223
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: that I firmly believe in is give yourself options. And

1224
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: so when you're if you're planning a hunt and you're like,

1225
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm going here and I'm gonna hunt this property. You

1226
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: better have a backup, even if that property is ten acres.

1227
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean, just you know you in Oklahoma as an example,

1228
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: the only time, the worst time of my life as

1229
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: far as like this this scenario. I went down my

1230
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: buddy and I drove down there, and you know, it's

1231
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: like fourteen hours. I did a pile of research. I'm like,

1232
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: we're going to be covered in deer in this spot.

1233
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: It was different from the area that I had gone

1234
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: to previously. We showed up camp there was there were

1235
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people there, but we had a lot

1236
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: of ground to work with. I couldn't find a freaking deer.

1237
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean I was like, I'm like I don't know

1238
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: what to do. I'm setting up to observe. I had

1239
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours east scouting into it, and

1240
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 1: I was I mean it literally couldn't see a deer.

1241
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: I finally saw a dough on two fawns the last

1242
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: morning where my buddy and I the night before we're

1243
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: like we're not on anything, Like We're like not on anything,

1244
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: like no deer, and I was like, maybe we got

1245
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: to pull the plug on this and go calling audible

1246
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: and we ended up doing that and just we kind

1247
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: of realized that the area we wanted was probably not

1248
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: a great choice for us as far as like our

1249
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: strong suits, right. It just it was more of a

1250
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: It almost felt more like a Texas hunt would be.

1251
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: To me, like if I showed up in Texas, like,

1252
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: I gotta have to reframe how I think about a

1253
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: lot of stuff because it's just such different habitat. And

1254
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: this was kind of like that. I'm like, we need

1255
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: to go north, we need to get closer to the

1256
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: kind of trees I'm used to, and we need to

1257
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: go just sort of reset. And my flaw in that

1258
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: that trip planning was I became so cocky. I was like,

1259
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: this is it. We don't we have thousands of acres

1260
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: to work with. There's gonna be tons of deer here.

1261
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: We don't need a backup, and we we needed a

1262
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: backup bad And we ended up getting lucky and picking

1263
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: a spot where we went to and had a great

1264
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: hunt and saved the last couple of days of our hunt.

1265
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,959
Speaker 1: But that was like like a card in a rule

1266
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: for mine is like, don't go in with just a

1267
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: spot don't go in with just an idea that this

1268
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Speaker 1: is it. And when you plan these hunts, a lot

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01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: of times we'll go, Okay, well there's a chunk of

1270
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: public on this side of the road, no chunk of

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: public on that side of the road, So that's good enough.

1272
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: And I'm talking maybe give yourself an entire quarter of

1273
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: a state, like maybe you know, if you show up

1274
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: and it is not working, instead of just kind of

1275
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: like pushing a dead program, you might have to drive

1276
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: a couple hours to a new area and sort of reset.

1277
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: But like in in the grand scheme of that kind

1278
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: of hunt, in the investment you put in pulling up,

1279
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: repacking your tent and your camping gear or whatever and

1280
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: moving three hours down the road, it's not that big

1281
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: of a deal. And it might change the entire course

1282
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: of your hunt. Oh absolutely. And that's something that I've

1283
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: learned as well, man, And I've learned it more from

1284
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: the elk hunt than I have deer hunt. And tell

1285
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: you the truth, and uh, you know, I've talked about

1286
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: this before, but the things that you learned doing X

1287
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: hunt help you so much with a completely different type

1288
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: of hunt. It's crazy, right, And I won't go too

1289
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: far into that. But um, the driving you do and

1290
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: going to bed at midnight as opposed to getting your

1291
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: eight thirty like normally those three hours you lose or

1292
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: three and a half f is so worth it sometimes,

1293
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, and you know what, we can all function

1294
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: on four hours of sleep. Uh if one night, you know,

1295
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: and grabbing the day in the afternoon, you know, like

1296
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: it works, you can you can do it. If it

1297
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: makes it gives you an opportunity to hunt good deer

1298
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: or hunt a good spot, then it's worth doing. And uh,

1299
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to hunt planning, that's kind of a

1300
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: huge thing to Like, it's good to be able to

1301
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: go find states that allow you to hunt the whole

1302
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: state because then you have that option. Uh. One of

1303
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: the things that I actually dislike about Iowa is the zones.

1304
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: You know, you have you have to stay within this

1305
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: certain union. It's pretty big, you know, and you know

1306
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: that before you go into it, right, But like, um,

1307
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of a vagabond, right or

1308
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it. Like I like to just

1309
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: well hit the road sometimes and go see something new,

1310
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: and having that option is really nice. And uh, if

1311
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: you do have that option, though, something I've found that

1312
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: really helps me is setting a deadline for that. So say,

1313
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give myself three days here. If i am

1314
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: not on a good dear or if I'm not on

1315
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: a good pattern or feel like something's going on, I'm

1316
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: gonna pull the plug right then. And forcing yourself to

1317
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: do it right now. Also, it takes some a little

1318
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: bit of h I don't know what you would call

1319
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: it. It It takes a little bit of gusto to tell yourself, Nope,

1320
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna live and die here because I've seen this

1321
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: one deer or whatever like. You have to you have

1322
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: to have a certain uh constitution about you to be

1323
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: able to do that, right. But it's good to have that,

1324
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: um I guess ticker in the back of your head.

1325
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: I work pretty good under pressure too, so it kind

1326
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: of helps me to have a ticker. Um. I noticed

1327
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: in Kansas, um that when I had nine days, I

1328
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: killed on the eighth day. And you know, maybe if

1329
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: I only had four days, I would have killed on

1330
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: the third day. You know, you know what I mean. So, um,

1331
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: I think it's it's super helpful to scout that stuff.

1332
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: Um Ea scout. And then also I think that I'm

1333
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: gonna not only plan for a plan B, We're gonna

1334
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: make sure plan B looks different than what Plan A

1335
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: is because just like you're saying, certain people have strong suits. Um,

1336
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: if you're not used to hunting big timber, heavy cover

1337
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: with a ton of acorns, acorns for yeah, exactly, Uh, like,

1338
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: it could be tough because that do you only have

1339
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: to walk fifty yards to eat and hundred yards to drink,

1340
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: So um, if you're not used to that, but you

1341
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: want to go, try it. Find you something else that's

1342
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: near wheat fields and cotton woods or whatever it might be,

1343
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: that that's your backup, not a backup that's similar habitat,

1344
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: but just a different spot because really that's no no

1345
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: difference and bouncing across the street, right because it's the

1346
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: same thing pretty much. Yeah, and something on you know

1347
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: what you said about you know, giving yourself a deadline

1348
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: and being like, you know, if three days in this sucks,

1349
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm out. One of the things I think that people

1350
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: make a huge mistake on with hunt planning is going

1351
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: with too many people are the wrong people because that

1352
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: situation where if you get there and you're like you personally,

1353
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: you're like I don't like this, and I'm ready to

1354
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: go if you have somebody. You know, the more people

1355
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: you have in camp, the more people you have invested

1356
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: in that hunt, the harder it is to just pull

1357
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: up stakes and move. And it just I know that

1358
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: people don't like to hear this because we like to

1359
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: travel with our buddies, But man, if you can keep

1360
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: it smaller, go solo, you will probably have a way

1361
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: better hunt. And it's I know, I know it costs

1362
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and I know there's a different

1363
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, safety aspect and stuff like that. But when

1364
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: you're when you're operating on your own schedule, or you've

1365
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: got like one trusted buddy who's like going to do

1366
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: the work and is kind of on the same wavelength

1367
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: as you, it's so much easier to have a good hunt,

1368
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: to enjoy yourself, to to to make better decisions. And

1369
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: the more you get random people involved, and the more

1370
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: you get people who aren't they have different objectives, different

1371
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: work ethics. It's it sucks, man, Yeah, it does. And

1372
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: then a lot of times, uh, when you have those

1373
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: people involved that maybe hunting differently, you're have a different

1374
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: work ethic of YadA YadA um you end up hunting

1375
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: close to each other because you have one or two vehicles,

1376
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: and then, um, it can cause a little uh split

1377
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: in the friendship or whatever you wanna call it, because

1378
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: you just have different expectations of what the other is

1379
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna do. Whereas as we did this in South Dakota, right, No,

1380
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: no lost friendships at all. But we we had six

1381
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: guys in camp, three vehicles, so there's always a pair

1382
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: going out, um, and some of those guys running camera

1383
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: and this and that. But a lot of us end

1384
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: up punting near each other because they drop offs in

1385
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: that situation. Um, one guy has a stigmatism, can't see

1386
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: in the evening at all, like he he he, and

1387
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: he is gonna usually get down out of his tree

1388
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: before uh most of us would. And no fault of

1389
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: his own. I don't even think he can tell. Like

1390
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: when actual you know, into shooting, a lot of is

1391
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And so we had to

1392
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: learn to kind of work around that, and then uh,

1393
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, just different hunting stalls and that that sort

1394
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: of thing. One of the things that I find invaluable

1395
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: is just having your own vehicle, you know, just be

1396
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: able to be your mantel Island, you know, Durrell Reeva style.

1397
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: You know, just out there doing your thing, making your

1398
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: own decisions, living, living, and by dying by what you do.

1399
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: That way, you don't have anybody to be upset with,

1400
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: the scept yourself. You know, you can have six guys account,

1401
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,839
Speaker 1: but having six vehicles and everybody able to go one direction,

1402
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: it's not very green friendly, right. I mean, I guess

1403
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: you can drop Tesla's and make it work and be fine,

1404
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: but but you know, uh, just being able to go

1405
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: and make your own choices, I think that's a that's

1406
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: a huge thing, man. And that's why Tyler and I

1407
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: love hunting together so much now. It's because, um, we've

1408
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,799
Speaker 1: definitely changed somewhat to uh mould ourselves to one another

1409
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: as far as hunting partners go. But we worked so

1410
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: well together now because is it's that situation where we've

1411
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: hunted together enough that, um, instead of getting each other's way,

1412
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: we can't go to different states without calling each other

1413
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: twice a day. That can convey information, just because we

1414
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: trust each other so much to make good choices, and

1415
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: we just play shoot holes in the boat every time

1416
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: we talk. You know, just like what can be wrong

1417
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: with this spot, What can we do different? What what

1418
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: could be done different? And when you find that person

1419
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: you can trust that much. Man, you talk about being

1420
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: able to kill some deer, you know, because it's like

1421
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: you have, uh, the cumulative experiences of two experienced hunters

1422
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: working together at once without um pride getting in the way,

1423
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: without um another guy who thinks similar to you can

1424
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: circumvent your pride way faster than you ever thought. You know, like, oh, man,

1425
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: I figured the spot out. It's good. And he's like, um,

1426
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: are you sure you can hunt that on the southwest wind?

1427
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, what a dummy? So stupid? You know,

1428
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: I having that person is pretty huge for my success

1429
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: at least. I know some people, um you know the

1430
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: whole lone wolf things, the way to go, you know,

1431
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: because they like that and that's fun to you. But

1432
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: I really do find value in that one good solid

1433
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 1: hunting partner. You know. It's a it's a difference maker.

1434
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: And you know something that you you kind of alluded

1435
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: to this, you know, something that happens when you go

1436
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: do a trip like this is you find out, you know,

1437
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: like how greedy you are for white tails, how greedy

1438
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: your buddies are and it can change the dynamic if

1439
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: you're not working together, and it's I mean, it's a

1440
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: it's a little dance man. But I remember there were

1441
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: four of us we hunted South Dakota maybe somewhere around there,

1442
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 1: and we got there, did some scouting, uh and the

1443
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: night before the season opened, a couple of us were

1444
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: driving back to camp and we saw two good bucks

1445
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: on public land right off the road going through this

1446
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: one field, and it was like pin drop quiet in

1447
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: the truck because everybody wanted to go after him, like

1448
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: everybody's like, I want to hunt that deer tomorrow, those

1449
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: deer tomorrow. And finally my buddy Eric said something like,

1450
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: well I would go in and you know, like he

1451
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: broke the ice right, and we're like, okay, well I

1452
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 1: guess go in there. And he went in there and

1453
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: killed that buck. But right away when we saw him,

1454
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: everybody thought the same thing, like I want to kill

1455
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: that ten pointer, like everybody and you know, like now

1456
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: you're like ship, like how do I play this? And

1457
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: you know it worked out for him. But later in

1458
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: that hunt, one of the guys there, so we had

1459
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: one one chunk of public that had a nice bean

1460
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: field you could hunt and the deer were using it.

1461
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: It was it was good and so but it's an

1462
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: evening thing, right, Like if you walk in there in

1463
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: the morning, it's no bueno. And so we were kind

1464
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: of hunting different stuff in the mornings and then trying

1465
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: to kind of gang hunt this this particular property in

1466
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: the evening. Why went out, like third fourth morning of

1467
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: the hunt, shot a buck And when I went out

1468
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: look for my arrow, Um, I see this dude driving

1469
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: back from that ranch, and I'm like, man, he went

1470
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: over there and tried to spot in stock one in

1471
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: there and didn't tell anybody, you know what I mean.

1472
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: And so we were we were all kind of playing

1473
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: by the same rules, like let's save that because of

1474
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: how good it's going to be. This guy just thought

1475
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: he was going to get away with it, and he

1476
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: would have if I hadn't just randomly shot a buck

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01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: and been able to see the road from where I

1478
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: got out, and that ship happens, man, And you know

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01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: it's like, dear, you know that that nonresident license price

1480
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: and that trip away from home and and big deer

1481
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: they do stuff to us. It's not good. And you

1482
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: you really learn if you do this enough, like who

1483
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: you can trust and who you can't, and who who

1484
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: you're really going to have a good hunt with. And

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01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason why some people

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: do function better on a solo trip. Like it's like

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: that's on you, man, Like you find a big one,

1488
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: go after it. You you make these decisions and that

1489
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: and you kind of got to learn about yourself and

1490
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: your buddies that way. M hm yeah, yeah, think, Uh,

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01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: for us, there's a lot of things that help us

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: to navigate around that. Um. One of the big ones

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: those that you know, just to be frank, you know,

1494
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: we're trying to do this someone as a business, right

1495
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: and not even some white you know, we're trying to

1496
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: build a lifestyle and build a business round until we

1497
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: love doing and um it's uh micro communism. As much

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: as it pains me to say it, right, but it's like, uh,

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: if Tyler kills a dude, it's great for me too.

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01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: You know, Like we're just all trying to have success.

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01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 1: And it's not just because of the business, right, but

1502
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: you you just want them to succeed to It helps

1503
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: a bunch, right If I can't imagine being one of

1504
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: these guys that, um, it's like Hey, I'm you know,

1505
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about drawing out of this year on on

1506
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: the forum. You know, it's like anybody who else is

1507
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna draw this, you know, let's let's seam up and go.

1508
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, that's that's very nice of you.

1509
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: But dude, like it's been a lot of trust in

1510
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: somebody you don't know very good, you know. And like

1511
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: once you build a hardcore friendship with somebody, it's like, yeah, dude,

1512
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: you go kill that buck. Let's go pack that thing

1513
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: out and take some pictures together, you know, And I

1514
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: think that, um uh, it's definitely not a keep your

1515
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: friends close to keep your enemies closer. It's definitely only

1516
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: keep your friends real close when it comes to going

1517
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: on a hunt like this for me at least, right like, um,

1518
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: it's you just want to if you're gonna do this

1519
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: with somebody, you want to do it with somebody that

1520
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: you care enough about that it would be cool to

1521
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: see them kill a big deer too. And then and

1522
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: it all boils back to just setting your pride a side. Man.

1523
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: It's it's so hard, um for every human to do this.

1524
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: So then you take a bunch of guys who fancy

1525
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: themselves as alpha's who like to kill stuff, you know,

1526
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 1: and and like it's real hard to put pride aside,

1527
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, and I truly believe that that, Uh, the

1528
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: thing that will help you do that overb near anything

1529
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: that you know, humans can at least do, is that

1530
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: you have to have compassion and care about the people

1531
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: you're with. Otherwise you're gonna be making priful decisions. You're

1532
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: gonna be making so decisions. And that's it's pretty hard

1533
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: to get around time, man, I know you gotta you

1534
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: got a hard out here, So we gotta we gotta

1535
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: wrap this sucker up, Casey, Where can everybody find the videos,

1536
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: the podcast all that stuff? Yeah, cool man, thanks for

1537
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk about that stuff. So the Element

1538
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: YouTube channel starts the Element Hunting or just public Planing Hunting. Well,

1539
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: we'll pop up pretty quick, I think. Um. But actually, uh,

1540
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Andiz Kansas books just released in the past couple

1541
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: of weeks, and so if if I can, I'd love

1542
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: to tell you all to go check out those hunts

1543
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: because they were really fun. I mean a lot to

1544
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: him and I both. I killed the biggest public land

1545
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: dear that either of us have shot and then two

1546
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: days later Tyler blewed out of the water with it is,

1547
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: so we had it. We were so blessed this year man,

1548
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: and uh it was it was really really cool, So

1549
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: I'd appreciate that. And then of course our socials are

1550
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: at the Element wild because um, if you just search

1551
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: the Element on social you'll come with a skater brand

1552
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, that's that's what we got

1553
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: going on. So you know, thanks for the opportunity for that.

1554
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: And the podcast is the on the podcast, so um yeah,

1555
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: search all that stuff on all the platforms that you

1556
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: know of and we'll pop up. Thanks, brother, I really

1557
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, absolutely, dude, I hope you uh are excited.

1558
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: Are you done killing pheasants? Are you still got pheasants

1559
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: going right now? Pretty much pretty much done, man, But

1560
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: you know there's still a few states that are open,

1561
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: so there's there's still a chance. It was a good year.

1562
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: It was a good good deal man. That's awesome. We

1563
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: still a few more dear to kill, hopefully, so we'll

1564
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: wrap it out strong man. So thanks for the opportunity

1565
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,520
Speaker 1: to Tony and true good talking to you. Thanks buddy.

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: That's it for this week. Folks, be sure to tune

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: in next week if you want some more white tailed goodness.

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01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: This has been weird to hunt, and I'm your guest host,

1569
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. As I always, thank you so much for listening.

1570
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: And if you're looking for more white tail content, head

1571
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: on over to the meat eator dot com slash weird

1572
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: and you'll see a pile of new articles by Mark

1573
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: myself in a bunch of white tail addicts. Head on

1574
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: over to our YouTube channel check out our our how

1575
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: to videos that we put up every week, or if

1576
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: you're if you're feeling sad and you're missing the rut,

1577
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: head on over to meat Eaters YouTube channel and check

1578
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: out our One Week in November series that we dropped

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: all of November and December