WEBVTT - Can South Africa Tackle Its Gender Based Violence Crisis?

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>Women have gathered across South Africa to protest the high

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<v Speaker 2>level of gender based violence in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>GBV is literally a national disaster in our country. It's

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<v Speaker 3>something that is unfortunately very close.

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<v Speaker 4>To my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa has one of the world's highest female murder rates,

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<v Speaker 2>more than five times the world average.

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<v Speaker 3>The silence four fifteen minutes is a minute of silence

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<v Speaker 3>for every woman that would have fallen within the day.

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<v Speaker 2>On today's episode of The Next Africa Podcast, we'll look

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<v Speaker 2>at South Africa's gender based violence crisis, how the G

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<v Speaker 2>twenty has put this issue into the spotlight, and how

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<v Speaker 2>the government is starting to recognize the scale of the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ta Ada Bio in for Jennifer's Abazar and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the Next Africa Podcast, bringing you one story each

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<v Speaker 2>week from the continent driving the future of global growth

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<v Speaker 2>with the context only Bloomberg can provide. Joining me this

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<v Speaker 2>week is our government reporters. Then be Ley Seller stem Bye,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So. While the world was looking at South Africa for

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<v Speaker 2>the G twenty campaign, groups seems to want to put

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<v Speaker 2>violence against women back on the agenda. What do we

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<v Speaker 2>know about how serious this issue is in South Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>It is safe to say that it's the biggest crisis

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<v Speaker 1>outside of that of the economy. Would even make the

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<v Speaker 1>argument that there's a link between the two. Women in

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa are killed five times higher than the global average,

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<v Speaker 1>and more often than not, it's by people that they know,

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<v Speaker 1>men that are intimate partners to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Just in twenty twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>During that period of COVID, we had three women that

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<v Speaker 1>were killed every day by an intimate partner.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's also a woman who walk into.

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<v Speaker 1>A post office, the case of a student in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen winning in Poitiana who walked into.

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<v Speaker 4>A post office.

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<v Speaker 1>She was taken by one of the post office officials.

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<v Speaker 1>She was raped and brucidly murdered. And that's just one

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<v Speaker 1>of many stories that every now and then come up

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<v Speaker 1>in the media strongly, and they do come to the

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<v Speaker 1>fore when media plays attention when there's a very kind

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<v Speaker 1>of horrific incident that stands out, But it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>happens on a day to day basis, and so there's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no question that there is a war on women

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<v Speaker 1>in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>And it is a very serious crisis that we're facing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And on that point of media attention, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of media attention on South Africa

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<v Speaker 2>for the G twenty. I was very struck by the

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<v Speaker 2>location chosen for some of these protests at the Union

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<v Speaker 2>Lawns in Pretorian, the seat of government, also fifteen other

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<v Speaker 2>locations across the country. Obviously the eyes of the world

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<v Speaker 2>were on South Africa at that point. Just how much

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<v Speaker 2>pressure do you think government leaders were under to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of put this situation to bed or be seen to

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<v Speaker 2>do something.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think it's something that's we see at all

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<v Speaker 1>D twenty meetings across the globe wherever there are where

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<v Speaker 1>different kind of advocacy and lobby groups use the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to essentially air the dirty laundry of what's happening at home,

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<v Speaker 1>to try and get an ear from the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world and to put pressure on their leaders to

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<v Speaker 1>do something about it. So in this case was absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>no difference. In addition to these kind of gender based

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<v Speaker 1>violence protests that we saw, there was a myriad of

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<v Speaker 1>others as well. But I think it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>careful move to kind of distance the meetings itself the

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<v Speaker 1>leadership summat where the world leaders were meeting, away from

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<v Speaker 1>where these protests were actually happening, and so the datus

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<v Speaker 1>to whether or not they were actually ever seen by

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Nevertheless, it was a platform that was taken

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<v Speaker 1>up quite strongly by hundreds, if not thousands of women

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<v Speaker 1>across the country, particularly in city centers where they staged

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<v Speaker 1>this lie down protests, for they were all dressed in black,

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<v Speaker 1>lying down on the floor. There was also encouragement for

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<v Speaker 1>women to not buy anything on the day to demonstrate

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of economic power that they wield as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this to send us and we're in a crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to help somebody do something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about that time there, it's definitely something that was

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<v Speaker 2>on the mind of the organizers. I actually spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>one of them, Merley's Age Joe Gat from Women for Change,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of the organizations the NGOs that were responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for these protests, and she told me a bit about

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<v Speaker 2>why they chose this moment in particular to take action.

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<v Speaker 3>We chose to use the G twenty weekend for the

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<v Speaker 3>national shutdown because we knew that international eyes would be

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<v Speaker 3>on South Africa in this time, it was important for

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<v Speaker 3>the international community to recognize how serious femicide was in

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<v Speaker 3>South Africa and how dangerous this country is for.

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<v Speaker 4>Women every day.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the only way that we knew the government

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<v Speaker 3>would be under prittsure to finally declared gen the base

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<v Speaker 3>violence and femicide and national disaster, which then automatically would

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<v Speaker 3>have opened up financial resources and implement changes on the

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<v Speaker 3>ground to start seeing the cases become less Sevilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the timing helped these protests have an impact.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's difficult to say exactly beca because, like

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<v Speaker 1>we said that this is something that is part of

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<v Speaker 1>the course when it comes to G twenty meetings, there

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<v Speaker 1>were several other protests that were happening, so difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>say definitively whether there was any impact because of the

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<v Speaker 1>G twenty, but whether it was or it wasn't, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the relief is just that we are finally seeing

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<v Speaker 1>an indication that government is willing to change course in

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<v Speaker 1>some respects with regards to this crisis that has arguably

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<v Speaker 1>gotten worse over time and is as dark as those

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<v Speaker 1>of the economic challenges that are faced by South Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's really interesting because at the time of

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<v Speaker 2>this protest, there's been three consecutive G twenty presidencies from

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<v Speaker 2>the Global South, so we've had India, Brazil, and now

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa. These countries do have in common issues with

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<v Speaker 2>gender based violence. How much do you think the issue

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<v Speaker 2>has really come to the fore globally in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>these big international meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's something that even when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the negotiations of the declaration that was adopted by leaders

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<v Speaker 1>last week, we're seeing what represidency of the G two

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<v Speaker 1>and C there's a strong emphasis that's made on gender

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<v Speaker 1>equality and rights in particular for women and children, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think on this occasion was no difference. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think to the point that you're making, what we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen in Brazil, what we've seen in India, in this

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<v Speaker 1>global kind of South agenda that's been brought to the

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<v Speaker 1>four by the countries in this region, is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a very much a concerted push to put this

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<v Speaker 1>on the table of world leaders. I think the question

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<v Speaker 1>really is in their own spaces, in their homes and

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<v Speaker 1>their countries that they lead, if this goes beyond rhetoric,

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<v Speaker 1>if it goes beyond this talk shop, beyond this declaration

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<v Speaker 1>and actually amounts to actions which can save the lives

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<v Speaker 1>of women that are on resac.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us then bulight when we come back, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk more about the impact of these protests and how

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<v Speaker 2>the government has responded.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back today on the podcast, we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>protests against South Africa's high rate of violence against women.

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<v Speaker 2>Our reporter stem belay Seller is still with me stimulate.

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<v Speaker 2>These protests were timed to make the most impact. How

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<v Speaker 2>has the South African government responded?

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<v Speaker 1>So they've been calls for many years for what has

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<v Speaker 1>been termed South Africa's real pandemic and what it means

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<v Speaker 1>when you categorize something as a national disaster, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what we've seen of this crisis being declared in the

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<v Speaker 1>last few days, is that it's conditions in which you

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<v Speaker 1>suspend something like procurement laws, so in the event that

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<v Speaker 1>you have mass flooding, you can export out relief. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to follow the normal channels, which ordinarily would

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<v Speaker 1>slow things down. And that's not the situation that you

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<v Speaker 1>want right when you're in an emergency kind of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And so previously it was tabled before government They've been

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<v Speaker 1>calls by NGOs, by other advocacy groups to say, this

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<v Speaker 1>matter is so extreme, it's so urgent that something out

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<v Speaker 1>of the ordinary, kind of the conditions that you saw

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<v Speaker 1>during the COVID nineteen pandemic, you need to do something

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary to save the lives of women.

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<v Speaker 4>In practice, though, I think there's a lot of moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Parts and so it's not as clear cut as, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>diverting funds from one department to another. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of role players that are involved in the mix. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, you need the to act when they.

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<v Speaker 4>Call upon to do so. That's not always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>We have women that go to police stations brutalized by

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<v Speaker 1>their partners for or by a man that they've met

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<v Speaker 1>on the streets.

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<v Speaker 4>The police laugh at them. The police don't give them

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<v Speaker 4>this time of day.

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<v Speaker 1>The statements that are gathered by the police are inadequate

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the code processes. In terms of

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<v Speaker 1>standing up, you need government to be able to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a position to provide sufficient safe spaces for survivors.

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<v Speaker 4>There aren't enough funds to go around to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>The safe shelters that we do have are poorly maintained

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of it, you also need the

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<v Speaker 1>court to do their parts and ensuring that offenders don't

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<v Speaker 1>get bail, and that's not always the case. Repeatedly we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen someone that commits a heinous crime, or is accused

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<v Speaker 1>or is alleged to have done something like this in

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of gender based violence. They are then released

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<v Speaker 1>by a court on bail. They go out and they

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<v Speaker 1>or repeat offenders, they do the same thing. So we

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<v Speaker 1>know that if they had been kept behind bars while

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting trial, they would not have offended again. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think these are the sorts of things that need

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<v Speaker 1>to be ironed out that once we do declare this

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<v Speaker 1>as has now been the case, as a national disaster,

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<v Speaker 1>what actually are are the practical implications. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of this is that you can't actually police

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<v Speaker 1>people in their homes, and that speaks to the aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of this. Whereas a societal issue, right, it's an economic issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a patriarchal issue how men exercise their dominance, their

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<v Speaker 1>power over women that rely on them, and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to police people in their home. Where children

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<v Speaker 1>are subjected to sexual assault by family members, where children

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<v Speaker 1>are groomed, they don't even know that the behavior that's

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<v Speaker 1>been brought upon them is wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>And so who do they go to? Who do they

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<v Speaker 4>who do they speak to?

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<v Speaker 1>And in the instances where children do become away that hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not something that should be happening to me,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll go to elders in the family or in the

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<v Speaker 1>community and it will be swept under the rug.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I think it's those difficult dynamics that government

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<v Speaker 4>is going to actually have to contend with.

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<v Speaker 1>Is once you are saying you are not taking this seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to change course. Are all the parts in

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<v Speaker 1>place to actually make the successful Are we actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to see the numbers come down once the state of

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<v Speaker 1>disaster is fully implemented.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's definitely not clear cut in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of implementation. But even in just the categorization this as

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<v Speaker 2>a national disaster, there was some confusion because previously the

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<v Speaker 2>National Disaster Management Center said that the categorization didn't meet

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<v Speaker 2>the legal requirements to be defined as a disaster. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying it does after some review. What does that

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<v Speaker 2>really say about, you know, the government's handling of this

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<v Speaker 2>entire crisis. Are they taking it seriously? Are they only

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<v Speaker 2>bowing to external pressure. Why do you think there was

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<v Speaker 2>that discrepancy there?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it's difficult to say, because, as we say, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an ongoing issue, and every now and then, when we

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<v Speaker 1>do have a case that for whatever reason attracts mass

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<v Speaker 1>media attention, or in the case of last week, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something like the G twenty leader's summits, it does come

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<v Speaker 1>back onto their gender quite strongly. But we know that

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<v Speaker 1>on an every single day basis, woman off face with

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of peneous crimes, with this violence that is

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<v Speaker 1>imposed upon them, and we've seen repeatedly that there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a shortcoming in terms of a response from law enforcements,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's really difficult to say that things are

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<v Speaker 1>going to get better or not by this. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a number of things that need to be

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<v Speaker 1>resolved outside of even the law enforcement situation, outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the psychological societal issues. There's also an argument to be

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<v Speaker 1>made about the economic conditions that drive this kind of behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think improving that an empowering woman economically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>would without a doubt maker dents in the scopes that

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<v Speaker 1>we've see.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, and in terms of looking to the future, as

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<v Speaker 2>the spotlight sort of moves away from the G twenty

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<v Speaker 2>and South Africa. What will you be looking for to

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<v Speaker 2>indicate that the government is actually trying to make a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Will we be able to see real implementations of change

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<v Speaker 2>in the near future do you think so?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the first thing would be you would want

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<v Speaker 1>to have a situation where you have consultation between governments

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<v Speaker 1>and human rights groups, the Department of Social Development, them

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<v Speaker 1>coming together to formulate what the terms of reference for

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<v Speaker 1>the state of disaster actually look like. So, in practical terms,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we untly? Is it money that needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be unleashed, Does it need to be diverse it from

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<v Speaker 1>different budgets from different departments. What will that money actually

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<v Speaker 1>be used for? Is it something that we need beyond money?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it an issue around law enforcement and strengthening the

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<v Speaker 1>capabilities of that fund? Do you need to train police

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<v Speaker 1>officers differently? Do you need to train prosecutors in a

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<v Speaker 1>different way so that they're able to actually get convictions

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to sexual crimes or anything else in

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of gender based violence? And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a starting point to have this declaration, But it's

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<v Speaker 1>more in terms of the nuances in terms of references,

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<v Speaker 1>the practicalities of what it actually looks like before we

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<v Speaker 1>can actually make a judgment and whether or not it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be successful and move beyond the myriad of

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<v Speaker 1>kind of talk shops and consultations that we've seen previously

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<v Speaker 1>in the past that have not actually amounted to anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can read all our coverage from the G

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<v Speaker 2>twenty across Blomberg platforms now, including President Trump's threat to

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<v Speaker 2>exclude South Africa from the next G twenty summit in Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put a link to that in our show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's some other stories we've been following across the region

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<v Speaker 2>this week. Ivory Coast economic growth is poised to accelerate

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<v Speaker 2>in the next five years as the country season increase

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<v Speaker 2>in oil and gas activity. That's according to Planning and

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<v Speaker 2>Development Minister Cabiniale, who was speaking to Bloomberg. And Zambia's

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<v Speaker 2>inflation slowed to its lowest level in more than two

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<v Speaker 2>years as food price growth slowed. You can follow these

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<v Speaker 2>stories across Bloomberg, including the Next African Newsletter. We'll put

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<v Speaker 2>a link in our show notes. This program was produced

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<v Speaker 2>by Adrian Bradley. Don't forget to follow and review this

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<v Speaker 2>show wherever you usually get your podcasts. I'm t wa Adebayo.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening.