1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: Women have gathered across South Africa to protest the high 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: level of gender based violence in the country. 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: GBV is literally a national disaster in our country. It's 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: something that is unfortunately very close. 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 4: To my heart. 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: South Africa has one of the world's highest female murder rates, 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: more than five times the world average. 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: The silence four fifteen minutes is a minute of silence 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: for every woman that would have fallen within the day. 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: On today's episode of The Next Africa Podcast, we'll look 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: at South Africa's gender based violence crisis, how the G 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: twenty has put this issue into the spotlight, and how 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: the government is starting to recognize the scale of the issue. 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: I'm ta Ada Bio in for Jennifer's Abazar and this 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: is the Next Africa Podcast, bringing you one story each 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: week from the continent driving the future of global growth 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: with the context only Bloomberg can provide. Joining me this 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: week is our government reporters. Then be Ley Seller stem Bye, 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining me. 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: So. While the world was looking at South Africa for 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: the G twenty campaign, groups seems to want to put 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: violence against women back on the agenda. What do we 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: know about how serious this issue is in South Africa. 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: It is safe to say that it's the biggest crisis 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: outside of that of the economy. Would even make the 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: argument that there's a link between the two. Women in 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: South Africa are killed five times higher than the global average, 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: and more often than not, it's by people that they know, 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: men that are intimate partners to them. 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 4: Just in twenty twenty twenty one. 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: During that period of COVID, we had three women that 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: were killed every day by an intimate partner. 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 4: But it's also a woman who walk into. 36 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: A post office, the case of a student in twenty 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: nineteen winning in Poitiana who walked into. 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: A post office. 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: She was taken by one of the post office officials. 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: She was raped and brucidly murdered. And that's just one 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: of many stories that every now and then come up 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: in the media strongly, and they do come to the 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: fore when media plays attention when there's a very kind 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: of horrific incident that stands out, But it's something that 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: happens on a day to day basis, and so there's 46 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: absolutely no question that there is a war on women 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: in this country. 48 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: And it is a very serious crisis that we're facing. 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And on that point of media attention, of course, 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: there was a lot of media attention on South Africa 51 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: for the G twenty. I was very struck by the 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: location chosen for some of these protests at the Union 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: Lawns in Pretorian, the seat of government, also fifteen other 54 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: locations across the country. Obviously the eyes of the world 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: were on South Africa at that point. Just how much 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: pressure do you think government leaders were under to kind 57 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: of put this situation to bed or be seen to 58 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: do something. 59 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: Look, I think it's something that's we see at all 60 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: D twenty meetings across the globe wherever there are where 61 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: different kind of advocacy and lobby groups use the opportunity 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: to essentially air the dirty laundry of what's happening at home, 63 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: to try and get an ear from the rest of 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: the world and to put pressure on their leaders to 65 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: do something about it. So in this case was absolutely 66 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: no difference. In addition to these kind of gender based 67 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: violence protests that we saw, there was a myriad of 68 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: others as well. But I think it was a very 69 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: careful move to kind of distance the meetings itself the 70 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: leadership summat where the world leaders were meeting, away from 71 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: where these protests were actually happening, and so the datus 72 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: to whether or not they were actually ever seen by 73 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: the world. Nevertheless, it was a platform that was taken 74 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: up quite strongly by hundreds, if not thousands of women 75 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: across the country, particularly in city centers where they staged 76 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: this lie down protests, for they were all dressed in black, 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: lying down on the floor. There was also encouragement for 78 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: women to not buy anything on the day to demonstrate 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: the kind of economic power that they wield as well. 80 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: All of this to send us and we're in a crisis. 81 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: We need to help somebody do something about it. 82 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: Talking about that time there, it's definitely something that was 83 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: on the mind of the organizers. I actually spoke to 84 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: one of them, Merley's Age Joe Gat from Women for Change, 85 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: that's one of the organizations the NGOs that were responsible 86 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: for these protests, and she told me a bit about 87 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: why they chose this moment in particular to take action. 88 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: We chose to use the G twenty weekend for the 89 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: national shutdown because we knew that international eyes would be 90 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: on South Africa in this time, it was important for 91 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: the international community to recognize how serious femicide was in 92 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: South Africa and how dangerous this country is for. 93 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: Women every day. 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: That was the only way that we knew the government 95 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: would be under prittsure to finally declared gen the base 96 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: violence and femicide and national disaster, which then automatically would 97 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: have opened up financial resources and implement changes on the 98 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: ground to start seeing the cases become less Sevilla. 99 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: Do you think the timing helped these protests have an impact. 100 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: I think it's difficult to say exactly beca because, like 101 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: we said that this is something that is part of 102 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: the course when it comes to G twenty meetings, there 103 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: were several other protests that were happening, so difficult to 104 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: say definitively whether there was any impact because of the 105 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: G twenty, but whether it was or it wasn't, I 106 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: think the relief is just that we are finally seeing 107 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: an indication that government is willing to change course in 108 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: some respects with regards to this crisis that has arguably 109 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: gotten worse over time and is as dark as those 110 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: of the economic challenges that are faced by South Africa. 111 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really interesting because at the time of 112 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: this protest, there's been three consecutive G twenty presidencies from 113 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: the Global South, so we've had India, Brazil, and now 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: South Africa. These countries do have in common issues with 115 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: gender based violence. How much do you think the issue 116 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: has really come to the fore globally in terms of 117 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: these big international meetings. 118 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: I think it's something that even when you look at 119 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: the negotiations of the declaration that was adopted by leaders 120 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: last week, we're seeing what represidency of the G two 121 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,119 Speaker 1: and C there's a strong emphasis that's made on gender 122 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: equality and rights in particular for women and children, and 123 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: I think on this occasion was no difference. And so 124 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: I think to the point that you're making, what we've 125 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: seen in Brazil, what we've seen in India, in this 126 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: global kind of South agenda that's been brought to the 127 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: four by the countries in this region, is that there 128 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: is a very much a concerted push to put this 129 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: on the table of world leaders. I think the question 130 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: really is in their own spaces, in their homes and 131 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: their countries that they lead, if this goes beyond rhetoric, 132 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: if it goes beyond this talk shop, beyond this declaration 133 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: and actually amounts to actions which can save the lives 134 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: of women that are on resac. 135 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: Stay with us then bulight when we come back, we'll 136 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: talk more about the impact of these protests and how 137 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: the government has responded. 138 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: We'll be right back. 139 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: Welcome back today on the podcast, we're talking about the 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: protests against South Africa's high rate of violence against women. 141 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: Our reporter stem belay Seller is still with me stimulate. 142 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: These protests were timed to make the most impact. How 143 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: has the South African government responded? 144 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: So they've been calls for many years for what has 145 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: been termed South Africa's real pandemic and what it means 146 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: when you categorize something as a national disaster, which is 147 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: what we've seen of this crisis being declared in the 148 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: last few days, is that it's conditions in which you 149 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: suspend something like procurement laws, so in the event that 150 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: you have mass flooding, you can export out relief. You 151 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: don't need to follow the normal channels, which ordinarily would 152 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: slow things down. And that's not the situation that you 153 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: want right when you're in an emergency kind of situation. 154 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: And so previously it was tabled before government They've been 155 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: calls by NGOs, by other advocacy groups to say, this 156 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: matter is so extreme, it's so urgent that something out 157 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: of the ordinary, kind of the conditions that you saw 158 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: during the COVID nineteen pandemic, you need to do something 159 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: ordinary to save the lives of women. 160 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: In practice, though, I think there's a lot of moving. 161 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: Parts and so it's not as clear cut as, for instance, 162 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: diverting funds from one department to another. There's a lot 163 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: of role players that are involved in the mix. So, 164 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: for instance, you need the to act when they. 165 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: Call upon to do so. That's not always the case. 166 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: We have women that go to police stations brutalized by 167 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: their partners for or by a man that they've met 168 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: on the streets. 169 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: The police laugh at them. The police don't give them 170 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: this time of day. 171 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: The statements that are gathered by the police are inadequate 172 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to the code processes. In terms of 173 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: standing up, you need government to be able to be 174 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: in a position to provide sufficient safe spaces for survivors. 175 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 4: There aren't enough funds to go around to do that. 176 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: The safe shelters that we do have are poorly maintained 177 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: on the other side of it, you also need the 178 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: court to do their parts and ensuring that offenders don't 179 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: get bail, and that's not always the case. Repeatedly we've 180 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: seen someone that commits a heinous crime, or is accused 181 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: or is alleged to have done something like this in 182 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: the realm of gender based violence. They are then released 183 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: by a court on bail. They go out and they 184 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: or repeat offenders, they do the same thing. So we 185 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: know that if they had been kept behind bars while 186 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: awaiting trial, they would not have offended again. And so 187 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: I think these are the sorts of things that need 188 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: to be ironed out that once we do declare this 189 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: as has now been the case, as a national disaster, 190 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: what actually are are the practical implications. I think the 191 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: other side of this is that you can't actually police 192 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: people in their homes, and that speaks to the aspects 193 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: of this. Whereas a societal issue, right, it's an economic issue. 194 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: It's a patriarchal issue how men exercise their dominance, their 195 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: power over women that rely on them, and so it's 196 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: very difficult to police people in their home. Where children 197 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: are subjected to sexual assault by family members, where children 198 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: are groomed, they don't even know that the behavior that's 199 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: been brought upon them is wrong. 200 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: And so who do they go to? Who do they 201 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 4: who do they speak to? 202 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: And in the instances where children do become away that hey, 203 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: this is not something that should be happening to me, 204 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: they'll go to elders in the family or in the 205 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: community and it will be swept under the rug. 206 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 4: And so I think it's those difficult dynamics that government 207 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 4: is going to actually have to contend with. 208 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: Is once you are saying you are not taking this seriously, 209 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: you're going to change course. Are all the parts in 210 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: place to actually make the successful Are we actually going 211 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: to see the numbers come down once the state of 212 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: disaster is fully implemented. 213 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's definitely not clear cut in terms 214 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: of implementation. But even in just the categorization this as 215 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: a national disaster, there was some confusion because previously the 216 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: National Disaster Management Center said that the categorization didn't meet 217 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: the legal requirements to be defined as a disaster. Now 218 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: they're saying it does after some review. What does that 219 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: really say about, you know, the government's handling of this 220 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: entire crisis. Are they taking it seriously? Are they only 221 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: bowing to external pressure. Why do you think there was 222 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: that discrepancy there? 223 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: Look, it's difficult to say, because, as we say, it's 224 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: an ongoing issue, and every now and then, when we 225 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: do have a case that for whatever reason attracts mass 226 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: media attention, or in the case of last week, you know, 227 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: something like the G twenty leader's summits, it does come 228 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: back onto their gender quite strongly. But we know that 229 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: on an every single day basis, woman off face with 230 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: these kind of peneous crimes, with this violence that is 231 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: imposed upon them, and we've seen repeatedly that there's been 232 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,359 Speaker 1: a shortcoming in terms of a response from law enforcements, 233 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: and so it's really difficult to say that things are 234 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: going to get better or not by this. And I 235 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: think there's a number of things that need to be 236 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: resolved outside of even the law enforcement situation, outside of 237 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: the psychological societal issues. There's also an argument to be 238 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: made about the economic conditions that drive this kind of behavior. 239 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: And so I think improving that an empowering woman economically speaking, 240 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: would without a doubt maker dents in the scopes that 241 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: we've see. 242 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: Definitely, and in terms of looking to the future, as 243 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: the spotlight sort of moves away from the G twenty 244 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: and South Africa. What will you be looking for to 245 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: indicate that the government is actually trying to make a difference. 246 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: Will we be able to see real implementations of change 247 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: in the near future do you think so? 248 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: I think the first thing would be you would want 249 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: to have a situation where you have consultation between governments 250 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: and human rights groups, the Department of Social Development, them 251 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: coming together to formulate what the terms of reference for 252 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: the state of disaster actually look like. So, in practical terms, 253 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: what can we untly? Is it money that needs to 254 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: be unleashed, Does it need to be diverse it from 255 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: different budgets from different departments. What will that money actually 256 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: be used for? Is it something that we need beyond money? 257 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Is it an issue around law enforcement and strengthening the 258 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: capabilities of that fund? Do you need to train police 259 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: officers differently? Do you need to train prosecutors in a 260 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: different way so that they're able to actually get convictions 261 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to sexual crimes or anything else in 262 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: the realm of gender based violence? And so I think 263 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: it's a starting point to have this declaration, But it's 264 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: more in terms of the nuances in terms of references, 265 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: the practicalities of what it actually looks like before we 266 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: can actually make a judgment and whether or not it's 267 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: going to be successful and move beyond the myriad of 268 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: kind of talk shops and consultations that we've seen previously 269 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: in the past that have not actually amounted to anything. 270 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: And you can read all our coverage from the G 271 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: twenty across Blomberg platforms now, including President Trump's threat to 272 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: exclude South Africa from the next G twenty summit in Miami. 273 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: We'll put a link to that in our show notes. 274 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: Here's some other stories we've been following across the region 275 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: this week. Ivory Coast economic growth is poised to accelerate 276 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: in the next five years as the country season increase 277 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: in oil and gas activity. That's according to Planning and 278 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: Development Minister Cabiniale, who was speaking to Bloomberg. And Zambia's 279 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: inflation slowed to its lowest level in more than two 280 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: years as food price growth slowed. You can follow these 281 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: stories across Bloomberg, including the Next African Newsletter. We'll put 282 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: a link in our show notes. This program was produced 283 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: by Adrian Bradley. Don't forget to follow and review this 284 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: show wherever you usually get your podcasts. I'm t wa Adebayo. 285 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening.