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Speaker 2: I knew she was in a bad spot. She was really.

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Speaker 1: Spiraling out of control. Now I'm feeling great. I haven't

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Speaker 1: I want to convince it to, it'd be Kathy.

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Speaker 3: From my heart radio in doghouse pictures. This is shock incarceration,

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Speaker 3: I'm Jeff keating. Regret is a hard pill to swallow,

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Speaker 3: and Mark certainly struggled with his failure to reach Kathy

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Speaker 1: Kathy overdosed eight days before I got out of prison.

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Speaker 1: Eleven years July since she passed, all right, I can't

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Speaker 2: Eleven years.

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Speaker 3: As Mark processed the news of Kathy's passing, former Shock

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Speaker 3: inmate Ed Revere dealt with his own emotions. Moments after

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Speaker 4: You literally walk out of the gate. You go back

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Speaker 4: that same pen where you all started. You put on

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Speaker 4: and there was your drilling structure, and he would shake

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Speaker 3: For many inmates, graduation is tough as they reunite with

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Speaker 4: Graduation is tough. It was very emotional. My son was there.

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Speaker 4: years later that he really saw the change. One of

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Speaker 4: those when you're deep in addiction, the premises they were

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Speaker 4: made and broke things that have changed. But I think

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Speaker 4: it was years later where I was still on point.

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Speaker 4: One of the general rules is you tell the truth

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Speaker 4: with compassion, and I use that in my own business.

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Speaker 4: Now with people of the addiction, it's like, hey, we

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Speaker 4: for him to see the true change. I think he's

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Speaker 4: seen this consistency of me doing the right thing.

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Speaker 3: Several Shock inmates struggled with alcohol and drug addiction prior

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Speaker 3: being sober in years. Shockgave new meaning to the words

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Speaker 4: Me not being ashamed of me being an alcoholic, where

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Speaker 4: explain it. Who are you to question me? If you

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Speaker 4: at that's time I can't get back. All I can

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Speaker 3: Now a free man, ed Re entered the world he

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget how slow the world moved. Everything moved

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Speaker 4: perfect perfect perfect, And coming out I remember stopping at

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Speaker 4: Why is this line not moving? What's so difficult? You

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Speaker 3: Mar sat in his parents' car as they drove towards

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Speaker 1: I remember coming home that day, just getting off the

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Speaker 1: did have that, believe it or not. I laughed a

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Speaker 1: of the people from downstate, the people in Ulster, What

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Speaker 1: Those are a lot of the things I went through

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Speaker 3: It had been six months since Mark was led away

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Speaker 3: from a courtroom in handcuffs. He'd not only survived shock incarceration,

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Speaker 2: I remember the next day, it rained like hell.

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Speaker 1: But I got up at five thirty and went jogging,

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Speaker 2: It didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: You got up at five thirty and you did your

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Speaker 3: From Mark's first arrest to the day he graduated Shock,

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Speaker 3: there was one friend who always had Mark's back, from

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Speaker 3: finding a lawyer to paying his bail fees. This man

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Speaker 3: embodied what it means to be loyal. Rob Kniebel recalls

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Speaker 5: It's almost like you're running to to give him the

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Speaker 2: Did someone give it to you?

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Speaker 5: And he was skinny, man, I mean to me, he

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Speaker 5: he wrote his mother. Everybody does that. I guess once

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Speaker 5: But I wasn't the writer.

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Speaker 3: In spite of their broken relationship, Mark's ex wife Liz

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Speaker 7: He got out and he had a party up at

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Speaker 7: I stayed in contact. I don't think I saw him often.

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Speaker 7: I was just happy to see him out. He was

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Speaker 7: just embracing the new Mark in that hopefully he's on

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Speaker 3: As well as offering Mark moral support as he began

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Speaker 7: It's just super unfortunate. It happened to the best guy,

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Speaker 7: changed him. It changed him not for forever, but he

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Speaker 7: definitely made him the person that he is today. I

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Speaker 7: is Dave. And again, he's a loyal person, and he

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Speaker 7: just the loyalty was not to me. I could not

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Speaker 7: but I think that's just something I just accepted. But

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Speaker 2: That's what makes Mark Mark is his loyalty.

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Speaker 3: Mark's older brother Don recalls seeing his baby brother at

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Speaker 3: a gathering of the entire Lombardo family to celebrate his

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Speaker 8: The first time I saw Mark aftershock was at Dave's house.

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Speaker 8: Everybody went to Dave's. I remember, I'm walking through the door,

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Speaker 8: my god, how did you do this? Why did you

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Speaker 3: As the celebrations faded and his family returned to their lives,

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Speaker 1: I remember a couple of days thinking what am I

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Speaker 1: do here? Q tips was like the biggest thing I

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, my ears. I want a ce tip.

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Speaker 1: I want to use a fork. I want to be

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Speaker 1: want to shower by myself for fifteen minutes. I don't

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Speaker 2: Who cares?

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Speaker 3: Mark's mother, Linda, kept all of his letters from shock,

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Speaker 3: which had a long list of exactly what he planned

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Speaker 9: This is a list of things that Mark can't wait

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Speaker 9: to do when he gets out. This is January nineteenth,

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Speaker 9: twenty thirteen. Eat pasta with a fork. Here you only

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Speaker 9: have a spoon. Eat a real pizza pie, chicken palm

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Speaker 9: sandwich from Big MIC's. Hold us currency fresh mutzadel and supersa.

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Speaker 9: Watch a Yankee game in person, Laugh with family and friends.

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Speaker 2: Most important on the list.

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Speaker 9: Use the bathroom when I want to dunkin donuts, coffee

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Speaker 9: drive to the beach for a day. A nice burger

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Speaker 9: steak on the grill, I want to cook it. Sleep

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Speaker 3: When he turned out the lights at night, Mark's reflection

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Speaker 3: In all, Mark's fears were not completely unfounded. Nearly three

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Speaker 10: They worked with electrical stuff drywall. We have upholstery class,

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Speaker 10: We're giving them so many tools to step out of

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Speaker 10: I love hearing after graduation. Hey, I have no life

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Speaker 3: Back home, Mark Lombardo was now a free man. No

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Speaker 1: I was doubting myself that that I could ever get

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Speaker 2: I'm a felon now.

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Speaker 1: I doubt anybody's gonna want to take me on and

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Speaker 1: Who do I call? Who's gonna give me a shot?

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Speaker 1: They gave us all information for people that actually hire felons,

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Speaker 3: In the weeks after returning home, Mark began working for

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Speaker 5: I didn't have to deal with a probation officer. He

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Speaker 1: When I was released from prison, they gave me five

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Speaker 1: As you start showing your parole officer that you're doing

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Speaker 1: second month. Knock on the door, eight o'clock, Oprah, as

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Speaker 1: He could have me do a pistas if he wanted to,

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Speaker 3: Mark was determined to keep on the straight and narrow.

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Speaker 3: He did everything by the book certain to show his

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Speaker 1: And quite honestly, it was because I was able to

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Speaker 1: He kept saying to me, you're doing good, kid. You're

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Speaker 1: And I said, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Feeling it was going to happen, maybe three years, not

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Speaker 1: I was thankful, and I told him, you won't ever

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Speaker 2: Watch yourself.

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Speaker 3: Though twelve years have passed, the memories of his cocaine

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Speaker 3: To hear Mark tell it, it was not a lifestyle

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Speaker 1: It's a vicious cycle. It's a cycle that doesn't end

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Speaker 2: I'm happy I went to jail.

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Speaker 1: There's an inevitability that if you get into that lifestyle

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Speaker 3: Rob kaniebel knew that Mark needed a job. Mark was

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Speaker 3: It wasn't glamorous, but it was work, good, honest work,

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Speaker 1: When I got out, I had nothing, I had nothing zero,

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Speaker 1: and once again he was there for me. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: He's on the balls of his ass. So he thought

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Speaker 1: He'll have beers and he's a wine guy. Now there

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Speaker 1: He's been in business about twenty years. Young kid put

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Speaker 1: So Rob he don't give a fuck about anything. I'll

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Speaker 2: On the do it. I don't give a shit. And

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Speaker 1: He put a lock on the front door and said,

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I party with him? The guy owns half

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Speaker 3: Mark is not the only person who recognizes the impact

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Speaker 8: I don't know where Mark would be right now if

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Speaker 8: He's a very successful guy. And he trusts Mark trusts him.

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Speaker 8: They work really well together. I'd love that that guy's

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Speaker 8: Mark's back and he got himself there. He did it.

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Speaker 2: Everything got better.

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Speaker 3: Much has occurred from the first day twelve years ago

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Speaker 1: He's not paying anybody, and it's very frustrating. Nobody is

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Speaker 1: too thrilled with him that I can assure you. But

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Speaker 1: we still get together. We still pop in for the

442
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Speaker 1: kid's birthdays or well barbecue. It's a little awkward, to

443
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Speaker 1: say the least, but we still try to be a family.

444
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you try. But after

445
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Speaker 1: this last one, I'll tell you what it's going to

446
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: be tough. I think he knows. It's a legit concern

447
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: on my end right now when people ask me how

448
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: am I still in contact with Dave after everything that

449
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Speaker 1: we've gone through with the fraud and the law and

450
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: the debt, and the credit destroying my credit?

451
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Speaker 2: I have to be honest. I don't have the answer.

452
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Speaker 2: I don't. Is it cliche? Life's too short?

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Speaker 1: You only live here a certain amount of time, and

454
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Speaker 1: your family's the only thing that you have. Maybe that's

455
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Speaker 1: in the back.

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Speaker 2: Of my head.

457
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Speaker 1: Multiple people have told me you need to get an attorney.

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Speaker 1: You need to fucking get somebody on your side. That's

459
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Speaker 1: gonna cost me more money, too, right, You can look

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Speaker 1: at it so many different ways. Do I want to

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Speaker 1: go through this? Do I want the hassle?

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Speaker 3: Mark's partner Rob Kniebel, has a less forgiving attitude towards

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Speaker 3: his brother Dave.

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Speaker 5: Never liked Dave.

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Speaker 2: He's complete opposite of him.

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Speaker 5: I told him about Dave a million times from what

467
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Speaker 5: he did for me, it's over. Okay, fuck me once

468
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Speaker 5: and it's over. I'm all in. I'm all out. That's

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Speaker 5: how I am and who I am. And he's not.

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Speaker 5: He's still hanging on to the guy inviting him to

471
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Speaker 5: this debt. I don't care if your family or not.

472
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Speaker 5: Your brother should have been in the pokey instead of him.

473
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Speaker 5: I've asked him, what the fuck you're doing. You gotta

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Speaker 5: have boundaries in your life and If you don't have boundaries,

475
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Speaker 5: you don't have anything. He lets people walk all over

476
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 5: them and then I'm always picking him up and repairing him.

477
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Speaker 5: But he's a big boy, but got a stupid brain.

478
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Speaker 5: Lets his brain control his hot.

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Speaker 8: I can't believe what happened between Mark and Dave. It

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Speaker 8: affects everything. It affects marriages, it affects relationships. The last

481
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Speaker 8: thing I need is somebody in my family not talking

482
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Speaker 8: to somebody else, and when it happens, it makes me crazy.

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Speaker 8: As the time went by, I started finding more and

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Speaker 8: more out about Mark and Dave's financial relationship, and it

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Speaker 8: makes me feel like I failed the both of them

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Speaker 8: because I didn't talk to them about it. I'm older

487
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Speaker 8: than them. I should have given them a lot more advice.

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Speaker 8: I wish I could have helped them a lot more.

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Speaker 8: I could have helped the both of them to make

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Speaker 8: a better situation for them a long time ago, and

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Speaker 8: make sure that Dave didn't get himself in trouble, which

492
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Speaker 8: was the spark that caused all of this. Dave getting

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Speaker 8: himself in trouble and Mark making a really bad decision

494
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Speaker 8: trying to make the best of it. That's where we

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Speaker 8: are right now, and.

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Speaker 1: I know there's people out there probably lacking, like what

497
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Speaker 1: are you doing? Clear your name, get this off your record.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I want it, I do, but I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to take the time. I didn't put myself in that position.

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Speaker 1: Do I want to get myself out of it, Yes,

501
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: but he's got to do it. I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes sense. I think it's

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Speaker 1: because I know for a fact I am not on

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Speaker 1: the hook for that money. He used my Social Security,

505
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: he took out loans, he took out credit cards, he

506
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: maxed them out. I'm not paying a dime. So it's

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Speaker 1: really not something that's choking me physically, but it's choking

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Speaker 1: me as from a credit standpoint. Is that worth going

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Speaker 1: through all that hassle?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think if.

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Speaker 1: Anything right, when you put up against the wall, you

512
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: got you gotta fight back. So at that point, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: if that's going to be the driving force to get

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Speaker 1: me to do it, then ultimately I would have to

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Speaker 1: do it. And I think until I'm actually in that

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Speaker 1: position where I don't have a choice, that's probably when

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00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: I'll get involved. Until then, I have bigger and better

518
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: things to worry about. Other priorities. I'm sure everybody in

519
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: this room maybe has a story or a family member

520
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: that did it to somebody else, and there's bad blood.

521
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: They butt heads, they don't talk. I don't know if

522
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: it's it's to that point yet, but it's getting there.

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Speaker 2: It is getting there.

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Speaker 3: Mark's relationship with his twin brother Dave is it best

525
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: complicated And for Mark, the financial losses are only one

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Speaker 3: part of the story.

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Speaker 1: I had an event at the restaurant Pizza with Sanna,

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Speaker 1: and I text them about it and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: it would be great, you know, for the kids to

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Speaker 1: come up.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Two of them are old enough where they don't believe,

533
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Speaker 1: but the youngest one un does she's only three, and

534
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Speaker 1: he showed and it was great. It was a great

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Speaker 1: moment for me to be able to have my little

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Speaker 1: niece there.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was actually a touching moment for me, It really was.

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Speaker 1: And she had such a great time, and I miss that.

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00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: I missed that with my brother. But I can't see

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Speaker 1: those types of events happening that often, you know, until

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Speaker 1: we're where we need to be, and we're not.

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Speaker 3: Many inmates from shock incarceration described the experience as either

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Speaker 3: life changing or mentally scarring, with little middle ground. But

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Speaker 3: to hear Mark Lombardo tell it, shock, without a doubt,

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Speaker 3: altered the trajectory of his life dealing drugs.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a blessing that I got caught.

548
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Speaker 1: I think it was a blessing that I was made

549
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: an example and that I was sentenced to prison and

550
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Speaker 1: I had to do my term.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 1: I feel with my personality and addictive personality, it could

553
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Speaker 1: have led to other things. It could have led to

554
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: stupider decisions. I think, without a doubt it would have

555
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: ended poorly regardless, and by maybe it happening so quickly,

556
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Speaker 1: it could have been the best thing that's ever happened

557
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: to me. So now you got to turn a positive

558
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Speaker 1: into it and move on.

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Speaker 5: As soon as he got out, I was with him

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Speaker 5: and asking them how was it, and again he talked

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Speaker 5: about it in a positive way. I do believe that

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Speaker 5: some people would go and experience something like that and

563
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Speaker 5: come out and never change, and they just did it

564
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Speaker 5: to cut down a time. I think he did take

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Speaker 5: that opportunity to reflect and to realize that that was

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Speaker 5: not the way to go.

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Speaker 1: This is twelve years now, it's twelve years since it happened,

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Speaker 1: and I think about it a lot. I have had

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Speaker 1: many dreams about Shock since being released. I guess probably

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Speaker 1: five or six, maybe seven dreams specifically relating to Shock,

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Speaker 1: all of in which I went back. It's funny because

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Speaker 1: every dream that I've had has been completely different than

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Speaker 1: the next. It's a different looking location, it's a different

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Speaker 1: group of people, different drill instructors. So it's very strange.

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Speaker 1: I wake up every time from those dreams and I say,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, thank God, that was just a dream,

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00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: and that wouldn't be a dream, that would be a nightmare.

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00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: And that's why when I reflect back on it, I

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Speaker 1: understand what that program's about. I understand it, and so

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Speaker 1: many people that I know or don't know could clearly

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Speaker 1: benefit from going through that program. It did wake me up.

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Speaker 1: It did make me realize, what the fuck are you doing?

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Speaker 1: It is a mental mind fuck program. And remember I

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Speaker 1: wrote a letter to my mother and I said, Mom,

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Speaker 1: I understand this. Don't worry about me. I know how

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00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: to get through this. Half the other people didn't, and

587
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: we lost them. We lost those people and they got

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Speaker 1: sent out and they had to go do their full time.

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Speaker 1: It's helped me redefine who I am. And at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm very proud to say that

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Speaker 1: I turned out to be all right. This program that

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Speaker 1: I went through, thirty three percent of people don't make

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Speaker 1: it through. I think there's a sixty two or sixty

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Speaker 1: three percent chance that they go back to prison because

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Speaker 1: they get it caught again. I'm happy I'm one of

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Speaker 1: the lucky guys. And if it's a feel good story,

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Speaker 1: or if it's something to maybe put a positive spin

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Speaker 1: on somebody else's life, then that's the time to say it.

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Speaker 3: Mark shared the raw details of his drug dealing days

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Speaker 3: that most people would probably have taken to the grave,

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Speaker 3: but he was worried about divulging some aspects of his story.

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00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: I definitely want to tell the real story. I want

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00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: to tell what happened. It is putting myself on the line.

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00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: I've always been a cut and dry, black and white

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00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: kind of guy. I'm not beat around the bush. I

606
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: will tell you what's on my mind. And I do

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00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: want to tell this story. Like I said, it's been

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Speaker 1: twelve years. I've always envisioned it and I will tell

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Speaker 1: it with the most honest way that I can tell it.

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Speaker 1: There are a few names that I will not mention,

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00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: people that are still in the lifestyle, people that I

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00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: still communicate with at times.

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Speaker 3: Mark's friend and partner, Rob Knebel, was certainly instrumental in

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00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: helping Mark get back on his feet after graduating from shock.

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00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: But Rob is not someone who will take the credit

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Speaker 3: for Mark's success. Rob doesn't see it that way.

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Speaker 6: Mark is a very peaceable, loving kind guy to his

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00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 6: own fault and himself. You've got to give him a

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Speaker 6: lot of credit too, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: when he goes to bet, he's in bed by himself

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Speaker 6: and he's looking at the ceiling by himself. He got

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Speaker 6: to buckle up but a cup and do the right thing.

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Speaker 6: And a lot of guys don't have it in him

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00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 6: to actually do that, even when help is offered to them.

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00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 6: And because of his heart and his mind and his family,

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Speaker 6: he did it. And he gets, hey, oh my buddy

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Speaker 6: Rob helped me out, or my mother wrote me a

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Speaker 6: letter or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But he did it himself.

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Speaker 6: Bottom line is he did it, and I'm very very

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Speaker 6: happy for him, and I will be for the rest

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Speaker 6: of my life.

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Speaker 1: I know that there is a part of it that

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Speaker 1: it could backfire, maybe because of my career or the

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00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: restaurant that I own, But I'm willing to take that

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00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: chance because it has been a passion of mine to

637
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: not so much tell my story but honestly have it

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00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: be a feel good story, if it could be a

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00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: positive spin on somebody's life. I'm a proven statistic that, yes,

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00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: you can fuck up, you can go through bad times,

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Speaker 1: you can hit rock bottom, but if you do what's right,

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00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: you can get through it, and you can succeed and

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Speaker 1: hopefully go on and have a happy, successful life and living.

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Speaker 11: Shock Incarceration is a joint production from iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures,

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Speaker 11: produced and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers are Mark Lombardo,

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Speaker 11: Tommy James, Noel.

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Speaker 2: Brown, and Jeff Keating.

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Speaker 11: Written by Jim Roberts, Tommy James, Chris Rigatzo and Jeff Keating.

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Speaker 11: Story edited by Jim Roberts, Edit mix and sound design

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Speaker 11: by Lane Krauss from Herd's Creek Productions. Music composed by

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Speaker 11: Diamond Street Productions. Accompanied by Tyler Greenwell, Danny Wattanas, Sean

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Speaker 11: Thompson and Spencer Garne. Special thanks to Trinity Investigative Group

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Speaker 11: and Mark Lombardo's family and friends who contributed to the

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Speaker 11: podcast