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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Scott Coleman and I am joined on the

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Speaker 1: show today by Carlos Calaso, a national writer for Baseball

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Speaker 1: America and believe it or not, Carlos is one of

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Speaker 1: the founding fathers of this podcast way back in the

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Speaker 1: day at Talking Chop. I mean, goodness, Carlos, I mean

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Speaker 1: we're talking like a decade at this point when the

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Speaker 1: Talking Chop podcast originated.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we have some listeners who go way back.

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Speaker 2: There have you been.

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Speaker 3: I've been, good Man a decade ago. That makes me

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Speaker 3: feel quite old at this point, but always happy to

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Speaker 3: hop on the and talked with the Scott Talk some Braves.

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Speaker 3: So it feels good to be back. Good to be home,

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Speaker 3: as it were.

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Speaker 1: That's right, a homecoming for the podcast and if folks

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Speaker 1: missed it, Baseball America recently released their top ten prospect

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Speaker 1: rankings for the Brave's farm system. I will say Carlos

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Speaker 1: and all the team at Baseball America do a fantastic

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Speaker 1: job better I mean, in my opinion, best in the

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Speaker 1: game for covering the minor leagues. Scouting reports on all

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Speaker 1: these players are available if you want to check it out.

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Speaker 1: Baseball America dot com, get a sub support them and

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Speaker 1: all the work they do, and Carlos, let's just kind

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Speaker 1: of jump right into it. The state of the Brave's

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Speaker 1: farm system today.

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Speaker 2: If I walked up to you.

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Speaker 1: On the street and said, oh my god, are you

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Speaker 1: Carlos Calaso from Baseball America?

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Speaker 2: How is this ARM system?

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Speaker 1: How does it compare to maybe the last couple of

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Speaker 1: years in terms of talent and depth.

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Speaker 2: Where are the Braves at right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the Brave system has kind of

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Speaker 3: been fairly static for the last few years. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've ranked this system as a bottom five farm system

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Speaker 3: each of the last two years. I think they're near

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Speaker 3: that range, maybe slightly up. I think it's pretty safe

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Speaker 3: to say they're a bottom third farm system still. But

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Speaker 3: they do have some things going well for them. I mean,

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Speaker 3: part of the reason they've been in this range. I

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Speaker 3: think they've been in this range for a solid reason,

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Speaker 3: Like they have continued to graduate prospects that have been

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Speaker 3: MLB contributors. Drake Baldwin is the most recent of that.

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Speaker 3: It does feel like despite the path of the system.

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Speaker 3: Since I've been doing the last four or five years,

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Speaker 3: it falls off reasonably quickly. There always seem to be

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Speaker 3: rookie the year type, so Drake Baldwin, pitchers like a J.

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Speaker 3: Smith Shaver who you're seeing flashes from, Spencer Schwellenbach. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't all that long ago that Michael Harris and Spencer

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Speaker 3: Strider were produced from this farm system. So because you're

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Speaker 3: consistently graduating these players who no longer can out for

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Speaker 3: our rankings because the team is consistently picking in the

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Speaker 3: back of the first round. And also, I think too,

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Speaker 3: while the Braves have been back in the international market

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Speaker 3: we really haven't seen any returns from their first few

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Speaker 3: But I think when you compare this Brave system to

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Speaker 3: pictures with upper miners experience, some pictures with high upside,

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Speaker 3: and camp Caminitti who leaves the list. So I would

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Speaker 3: say in general it's probably a bottom third, but you

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Speaker 1: You know, it's fascinating because they think objectively and you're

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Speaker 1: obviously an objective voice, and other talent evaluators are too.

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Speaker 1: There is not just an abundance of talent everywhere you look, not.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's almost like a running

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Speaker 1: joke at this point that every summer there's someone ranked

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Speaker 1: I mean, Spencer Schwallenbach wasn't a total nobody. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: up some of this abundance of talent that we have,

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Speaker 1: they also find a way, seemingly every season to get

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the Braves have been for the last

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Speaker 3: developing pitching prospects in particular, which is why this offseason

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Speaker 3: with longtime pitching director Paul Davis. It's still a pitching

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Speaker 3: heavy system. Some of the names you mentioned as either

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Speaker 3: drafted arms. Like it's not like they're getting up Paul

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Speaker 3: the pitching development will change, if it will change at all,

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Speaker 3: I feel like his hand kind of guiding a lot

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Speaker 3: of these arms in the last few years has been

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Speaker 3: a really strong positive for the system. And there's still

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Speaker 3: a lot of talent. You mentioned Spencer Schwellenbach. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure outside of Braves fandom like how prominent Jr. Richie's

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Speaker 3: For me, He's got like a very wide pitch mix,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about gr Richie, who is number

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Speaker 1: two on Baseball America's Top ten. You know, he's someone

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Speaker 1: absolutely see his name called up to Atlanta at some

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Speaker 1: It's probably not crazy to even think Richie might make

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Speaker 1: Tell the folks a little bit about JR. Ritchie and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, JR.

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Speaker 3: Richie has really been an advanced, instinctual pitcher dating back

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Speaker 3: brave target high school pitchers as much as maybe anyone

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Speaker 3: three pitch fastball, slider, change up. All three of those

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Speaker 3: over the years he's just developed in ability to add

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Speaker 3: At this point, I think he's got one of the

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Speaker 3: of the players that I've written of this offseason. I've

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Speaker 3: got two handbook chapters that I'm doing for BA. It's

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Speaker 3: six or seven distinct pitch types. And I think what's

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Speaker 3: how quickly his command and touch and feel just was

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Speaker 3: I mean, this past year he was maybe the Braves'

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Speaker 3: Richie is more big league ready now than cam Keimminiddi,

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Speaker 3: who we have in front of him. The questions with

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Speaker 3: right now? We have him graded out with fifties and

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned Kim Kimminetti as the only name on

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Speaker 1: I mean, our listeners when they got Kiminetti in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we thought he had a chance to go at

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast. I'm joined today

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Speaker 1: by Baseball America's Carlos Colaso Carlos. Let's talk about Didi

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Speaker 1: or fuantes A. I mean, the Braves were as aggressive

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Speaker 3: Still have a lot of confidence in what Dedear can

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Speaker 3: that pitch. We'll see what kind of a specific breaking

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Speaker 3: ball it turns into. Right now, it's more of like

438
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: a classic sweeper slider look. But I think the development

439
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: of his changeup is really key. That was a pitch

440
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 3: that he just didn't throw a ton the summer prior

441
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 3: to his draft year, and then he showed it more

442
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 3: in the spring, and then just hearing what it looked

443
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: like for the Braves. I don't think he played in

444
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 3: any official games yet, but just in Bridge League and

445
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 3: in bullpen sessions with the Braves, that pitch sounds like

446
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: it could be a legitimate plus offering moving forward, still

447
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 3: a lot of uncertainty with him because we just haven't

448
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: seen him yet. I think the questions with Briggs are

449
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 3: going to be how much velocity is he going to develop?

450
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: The fastball velosity did fade for him during the spring,

451
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: and I think that's part of the reason why the

452
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: Braves were able to get him in the fourth round.

453
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Speaker 3: If he may tam the velocity he showed early in

454
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: the spring, he probably doesn't get to them with that pick.

455
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: Maybe someone still pays him later because it's typical to

456
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Speaker 3: see high school players get paid overslot. But I've got

457
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: a lot of confidence in Briggs. I think he can

458
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 3: be a number three. It's a pretty solid pitch mix currently.

459
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 3: I think he's going to have solid control. There are

460
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Speaker 3: some things maybe he's going to need to refine with

461
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 3: his delivery, but nothing that's unusual or uncommon for a

462
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Speaker 3: high school pitcher. And so I think the combination of

463
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Speaker 3: where we had Briggs ranked before the draft and the

464
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Speaker 3: fact that he just didn't go out and struggle to

465
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Speaker 3: the extent that some of the other Braves prominent draftees

466
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 3: in this class did, has him kind of number five

467
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Speaker 3: on this list here.

468
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Speaker 1: So the next player on that top ten list is

469
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Speaker 1: again Alex Lodis, who was the Braves second round pick

470
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Speaker 1: from Florida State. If folks aren't super tuned in but

471
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Speaker 1: no names in the system, they might be a little

472
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Speaker 1: surprised to see Lodis ranked six and South the Scene,

473
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Speaker 1: the Braves first round pick not in the top ten.

474
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Speaker 1: So Carlos just kind of your All's process and where

475
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: you see Lodis, and then we'll talk about South the

476
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Speaker 1: Scene as well.

477
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for Lodis specifically before we get into South Aseene,

478
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: I would say the Lodis pick was one of our

479
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: favorites in the draft in terms of like the value

480
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: we thought the Braves got there. We had him ranked

481
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 3: as a back of the first round player. The Braves

482
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: got him in the second round at pick sixty. They

483
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: only paid him one point three million, so it wasn't

484
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Speaker 3: one of these situations where he went a lot later

485
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: but got paid commensurate with like what we thought his

486
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: talent was. So in terms of players ranked that we

487
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 3: had pre draft in this draft class, Lodis was the

488
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Speaker 3: top ranked player. I was kind of surprised to see

489
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Speaker 3: him fall as far as he did. He has some

490
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 3: clear weaknesses that he's going to need to address. Even

491
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Speaker 3: when he was just being one of the best hitters

492
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Speaker 3: in college baseball last spring, he was always a very

493
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Speaker 3: aggressive hitter. The swing rate, the chase rate, how often

494
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 3: he expands to the zone, those are going to be

495
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: questions that he'll need to address moving forward and in

496
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: his pro debut. I don't like to get too bothered

497
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: by what happens in pro debuts for hitters, but with

498
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 3: strikeout rates and approaches at the plate in particular, I

499
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: think those are maybe some of the areas that I'd

500
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: be more willing to react a bit more to. And

501
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: he did have a thirty eight point five percent strikeout

502
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: rate compared to just a four point six walk rate

503
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: with high a ROM So that's the question mark. But

504
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 3: if he can rain in the approach a little bit,

505
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: if he can make some mechanical adjustments that are going

506
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 3: to allow him to make a little bit more contact

507
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: in different areas of the zone. He's got a lot

508
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: of power, he's got impressive batspeed, it's a lot of physicality.

509
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: He can really drive the ball out to the poll side,

510
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 3: and I think, I mean, I've talked about it enough

511
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: that hopefully he's not underrated in this area. But he

512
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: is a really good defender. He's an impressive athlete at shortstop.

513
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Speaker 3: I expect him to stick there. He's got a great

514
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: arm that can allow him to make these impact, high

515
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: level plays deep in the hole. I think he moves

516
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: around better as a defender than his pure foot speed

517
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: might indicate, And so I'm pretty bullish on him defensively.

518
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: And even if he winds up being a below average

519
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: pure hitter with some power in those defensive skills, I

520
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: think that's a really quality player. So that's kind of

521
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Speaker 3: where I'm at with Lodiz right now.

522
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Speaker 2: Yep.

523
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Speaker 1: And then Tate's South Asene the first round pick. I

524
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: know there were maybe some mixed reactions on South Asene.

525
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: There was a not with Baseball America. There was a

526
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: notable talent evaluator who I believe tweeted and I quote

527
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: yikes when the Braves took South a scene in the

528
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: first round, and it was like, oh man, all right, sure,

529
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: let's dig into that a little bit. But South Asene

530
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: not in the top ten, young kid a project obviously,

531
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Speaker 1: there's so few to tell you, there are so few

532
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: not even sure things. But probable things in the MLB draft,

533
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: but south Asene talented kid, but not in the Braves

534
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: top ten at this point in time.

535
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: Now, I think if he had a solid pro he

536
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: probably would have been in the top ten for US,

537
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: just based on where we had him ranked pre draft.

538
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: Where the Braves took him. He was a little bit

539
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: of a surprise for us in the first round where

540
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: he went, in particular with some of the other high

541
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: school shortstops who were still on the board at that stage.

542
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: That said, we had Tates south a Seen ranked in

543
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: the forties, so it's not like it was some huge reach.

544
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: We had him ranked I think within three spots of

545
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Briggs Mackenzie, and the way the Braves paid all these players,

546
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: it really makes a lot of sense, like Briggs got

547
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 3: a little bit more money. The Braves have used this

548
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: strategy before, under slotting their first round pick, putting some

549
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: more money to players later. The order of these picks

550
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: confused me on draft day, but once you see the

551
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: signing bonuses, like the collection of talent they got, I

552
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 3: think makes sense. That said Tates south Ascene had perhaps

553
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: the most disappointing pro debut of any twenty twenty five

554
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: draft d if you look at expected to wait it

555
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: on bass average, which if you're not aware of what

556
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: that said is, it's is taking in a lot of

557
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: the bat at ball quality except contact rate batterball angles.

558
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: He was the worst hitter to debut among players who

559
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: had at least fifty plate appearances. He just swung far, far,

560
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: far too frequently. He expanded the zone he chased, he

561
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: swung and missed a ton, and he hit the ball

562
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: on the ground ceaselessly. So it was not a good

563
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: pro debut for Tate. However, he hit the ball incredibly

564
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: hard for his age. The exit velocities he produced were

565
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: on par with Ethan Holliday, who went forth overall and

566
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: ranked as the top overall prospect in the class for US,

567
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: who also has his own swinging misquestions that he's going

568
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: to need to answer. So it's kind of surprising to

569
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: see that approach from Tate because that was not his

570
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: reputation at all as an amateur. I think his ability

571
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: to control the zone was quite solid as a high

572
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: school hitter. So maybe it's a case for Tate where

573
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: there's really just not a great level for high school

574
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: hitters to go play official games. These days. We talked

575
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 3: about it with a lot of hitters who were not

576
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: named Tate to other organizations in recent days. I don't

577
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: think it's the greatest system for these young players, and

578
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: that's why you see a lot of teams just draft

579
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: in college college college. We've just kind of removed a

580
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: lot of the spots for these players. But Tate is

581
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: a good athlete. He's a good runner. He turned in

582
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: double plus run times. He's got a chance to play shortstop,

583
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: second base, center field, and play those positions well. He

584
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: has a plus arm. There are some real tools here,

585
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 3: but he's going to have to answer some approach questions,

586
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: he's going to have to answer some contact questions, and

587
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: it was just hard to justify him ranking above players

588
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: like John Hill, who's also not even in the top

589
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: ten for US, given the contact skills and what John

590
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: Hill has done at higher levels than the minors, and

591
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: just given some of the upside that hitters like Tornadoes

592
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: and Alex Lodz have in front of him. So he's

593
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: not far off the top ten. He'll rank within the

594
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: next few spots on our expanded list when that gets

595
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: rolled out. But I think there are just some clear

596
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: kind of scary question marks we need to have him

597
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: answer first.

598
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: There also has to be something as a high school draft,

599
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: for the first time in his probably entire baseball playing life,

600
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: that he struggles on a baseball field, Like I don't know.

601
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: What he was doing.

602
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: He was six years old, but he's probably the most talented,

603
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: capable kid on the little league field and all through

604
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: middle school and high school.

605
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: You know, you see it in all sports, it's not

606
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: just baseball.

607
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: But for the first time he is not the biggest, fastest, best,

608
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: most talented player on the field, probably some kind and

609
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: then to aggressively push him into real baseball games, as

610
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: you said, at a level it was probably a little

611
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: above his head at that point. You know, it's it

612
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: certainly was not a great showing. We're not gonna lie.

613
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Maybe if he carried a nine hundred ops then maybe

614
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: he would have been a top fifty prospect. I don't know,

615
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: but obviously plenty of time for South the scene. We

616
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: will have our eyes on him next season. And then

617
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: the last recent draft I wanted to ask you about

618
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Speaker 1: Carlos actually from the twenty twenty four draft is Luke Sinnard,

619
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: Luke third round pick.

620
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: He is gigantic.

621
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: He is six foot eight, and he somebody who has

622
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: flown up Braves prospect boards. I'm guessing most people maybe

623
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: haven't even heard of Luke before he pitched one in

624
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: the Arizona Fall League as well in the last couple

625
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: of months. So tell folks about Snard. Where, why he's

626
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: risen so quickly and what makes him a top He's

627
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: number nine on the Baseball America Top ten list.

628
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a pair of six foot eight behemoths

629
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: back to back at eight and nine between Snard and

630
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: Garrett Bauman at the back of this top ten. And really,

631
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: for Snard being here and rising up boards is just

632
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: being healthy. He missed his entire twenty twenty four draft

633
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: year at Indiana with Tommy John surgery, and entering that

634
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: year there were expectations, really high expectations for Sonard. He

635
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: was an impressive arm talent. If he was healthy, it

636
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't have shocked me at all. If he was a

637
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: top fifty sort of player, top two rounds type. That

638
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: were the kind of the expectations for him had he

639
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: been healthy. The Braves, along with the Dodgers, I think,

640
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: have been one of the more aggressive teams and targeting

641
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: players with some injury question marks. Its panned out for them.

642
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: Spencer Strider, Spencer Schwellenbach. These are guys who had injury

643
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: questions or came off significant surgeries before the Braves even

644
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: acquired them. They're like, Okay, we like the arm talent.

645
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: They're going to get back healthy. All pitchers get hurt.

646
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: Like they've just been fine acquiring those players and it's

647
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 3: paid off for them. Snard could be the next guy up.

648
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I think his secondaries are really advanced. We

649
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: have both the slider and the splitter for him as

650
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: above average pitches. Those were really impressive swing and miss

651
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: offerings for him at Low A and High A. He

652
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: had a twenty eight point three percent strikeout rate across

653
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: those two levels. Pitched really well in the AFL after

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Speaker 3: the season as well. I think there's even a bit

655
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: more strikeout upside for Snard because if you talk to

656
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: coaches about his approach, he really does not like giving

657
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: away strikes even when he's in pitchers counts and is

658
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: maybe in like a put away situation where he could

659
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: use this really good slider, this really good splitter to

660
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: expand the zone and elicit to chase it feels like

661
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: he really wants to attack the zone. Still, he has

662
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: the ability to get hitters chasing out of the zone

663
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: with his secondary so I think as he moves up

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00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: against better competition, he'll still continue to strike out batters

665
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: at a pretty good rate. The fastball with him does

666
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 3: not look like maybe an elite pitch. It's solid velocity

667
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: for a right hinted pitcher ninety three ninety four touches

668
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: ninety seven. It's a little bit of a steeper angle,

669
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: and so he's working on both the four seam and

670
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: a two seam to sort of compliment the release and

671
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: give hitters something to think about with the fastball. But

672
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: he also has pretty good control right now. I think

673
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: for him moving forward, it's just about getting back on

674
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: track in terms of at a level that's a little

675
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: bit more age appropriate for him. He was a little

676
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: bit more advanced than the level he was pitching at,

677
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: but that makes sense with him coming off injury. So

678
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: he's certainly one of the more significant up air of

679
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: prospects in the system. And pretty deep pitch mix with

680
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: good control, good size, see what we can get with him.

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00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: Sounds like somebody who could maybe and have his name

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00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: called late Summer. If the Braves are just I mean,

683
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: it seems like every year it's like, oh man, who's

684
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna throw some innings for us on Wednesday?

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00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: And you know the third week in August. So a

686
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: name to keep on for sure.

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Speaker 1: We are back on the Hammer Territory podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: joined today by Carlos Colaso of Baseball America. Carlos, you

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Speaker 1: cover the draft better than almost anyone I don't. You're

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Speaker 1: like number one and my power rankings for draft coverage.

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Speaker 1: You've been on MLB Network, I believe, talking about the

720
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Speaker 1: draft as well, which is awesome to see you on there.

721
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Speaker 1: You have done some really cool things in the industry.

722
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Speaker 1: Of course, the Braves not a good season, but when

723
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: you have a bad season, it means that you have

724
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: a good chance to pick at the top or near

725
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. I believe unless it's changed,

726
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: I believe we will know the Braves's official draft position

727
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: in about three weeks at the GM meetings or I'm sorry,

728
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: at the Winter meetings. It gets drawn, the lottery gets drawn.

729
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: The Braves have the sixth best odds of number one pick,

730
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: although it is only like four and a half percent,

731
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: which is not great, but we.

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Speaker 2: Will see that.

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Speaker 1: All being said, Carlos, we have a full college season

734
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: ahead of us, We have a full high school prep

735
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: season ahead of us. But big picture, what does this

736
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: upcoming draft class look like?

737
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: The upcoming draft class looks like Rock Chilowski and then

738
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: of a lot of other players fighting for number two.

739
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: So the fact that the Braves are in consideration and

740
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: have a chance at the number one pick this year

741
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: is awesome. They really did themselves into service by going

742
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: seven to three down the stretch. I think they were

743
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: like top five odds for a little bit there, and

744
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: I think there are a couple teams so you can

745
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: kind of point to and say, if they managed to

746
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: win the draft and got the first overall pick, Rock

747
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: Chulowski would be such a plug and play option for anyone,

748
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: but especially for a team like Atlanta who has a

749
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: clear major league hole at shortstop doesn't have any obvious

750
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: internal replacements that are near ready, Like there are some

751
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: guys you can point to Lodis, John Hill, Tays Southasen

752
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: who maybe in a few years could be that player,

753
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 3: But man, that would be such a such a great

754
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: player to fill that hole, and a player who could

755
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: move really quickly. But I think that the twenty twenty

756
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: six class beyond Chilawski is quite deep. On the high

757
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: school side, there are a lot of high school shortstops. Again,

758
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: last year we had a really talented high school shortstop class.

759
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 3: This high school pitching class is really impressive as well,

760
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 3: So if the Braves want to go back to that, well,

761
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: they'll have an opportunity. I'm guessing with them picking inside

762
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: the top ten, likely picking inside the top ten, they're

763
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: going to be some different demographic options that'll be more tantalizing,

764
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: Like we don't currently have a high school pitcher right

765
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: now who's a consensus top ten and overall talent, there

766
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: are some college hitters at the top of the board.

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00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: It seems like a pretty solid class. There are questions

768
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: that the college hitters not named rock Chelawski will need

769
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: to answer for themselves this spring. There are a lot

770
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: of hitters who need to address hit tool concerns, but

771
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: I think it is at this point. There's no reason

772
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: for me to think it's any worse than last year's class.

773
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: Most people think it's better. There's a lot of upside

774
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: in the high school hitting group, so I think it's

775
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 3: a good draft class. And this will be the first

776
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: time the Braves are picking top ten I think since

777
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: the twenty nineteen draft when they took Shaye Langelier's so

778
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: really a chance for them. We'll see what happens with

779
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 3: the lottery to add an impact talent.

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00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's funny, you almost hope this is

781
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: like a rare opportunity for the Braves. We don't want

782
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: these picks anymore. We want the Braves to be a

783
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: pick thirty or whatever it would be in eighteen months.

784
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: I am curious to get your take without knowing who's

785
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: going to be there, what pick they're going to have.

786
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: But if the Braves do not sign a qualifying offer

787
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: free agent. They also landed the additional first round pick

788
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: because Drake Baldwin one rookie of the year with a

789
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: PPI incentive program. So you know you would know better

790
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: than me. But for the teams who have received this

791
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: incentive pick like Seattle did last year, I think Baltimore

792
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: wanted as well. You know, it's a good chunk of change,

793
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: maybe three three and a half million dollars.

794
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: You Now, the Braves.

795
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: Could if they have this pick and they don't give

796
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: it away, you know, they could throw that three million

797
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: dollars into spread it out towards rounds two and three

798
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: and four and target a Briggs mackenzie type. They could

799
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: also try to go all out and add like two

800
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: super expensive talents with pick whatever in the top ten,

801
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: and then another pick at the and then maybe punt

802
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: and save some money on rounds two, three, four, five. Like,

803
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: there's so many different avenues the Braves could go, especially

804
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: if they keep these two picks in the top thirty.

805
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: That that's going to be fascinating for me to see.

806
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, for people who are maybe not as locked into

807
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: the draft as you are, Scott, and I think the

808
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: Braves fans in general are pretty locked in on prospects

809
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: to an impressive degree. But the bonus pool money that

810
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: comes with that pick is as important as the pick itself.

811
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Speaker 3: Like just the leverage it gives you when you're trying

812
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: to target players that maybe are slipping a few places.

813
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: Like you see what the Rockies did with Ethan Holliday.

814
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: They got the most expensive player in the draft, the

815
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: best player on our board at number four, in part

816
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: because they're willing to spend more money there. Some teams

817
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: take different strategies. They want to undercut their players earlier

818
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 3: and take more of a portfolio approach, which is i'd

819
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: say what we've seen the Braves do more often. But yeah,

820
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: you mentioned some of these PPI picks. The Royals this

821
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: past year at twenty eighth overall, they signed Josh Hammond

822
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: to his North Carolina high school shortstop who signed for

823
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: just under three point two million at twenty eight. Like,

824
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: that's the sort of money you can throw around with

825
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: an extra pick. The Dbacks a year ago took Ryan

826
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: Waldschmidt with their PPI pick that came from Corbyn Carroll.

827
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: He's now the top ranked prospect in their system. Are

828
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: really impressive offensive player who's going to be on the

829
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: top one hundred. So this is the kind of impact

830
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: that you can get here when you've got these extra picks.

831
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: I just think it allows for more creativity allows for

832
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: you to be more aggressive. It allows for you to

833
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: react in a more impactful way to what happens on

834
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 3: draft day, because there are always players that you don't

835
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: expect to slide, who will start sliding for whatever reason,

836
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: whether it's big asks for signing bonus, whether it's makeup concerns,

837
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: whether it's injury concerns. And if you want to be

838
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: aggressive and you have a lot of money to throw

839
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: around in the draft, it just gives you a little

840
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: bit more ability to do that. So I do think

841
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: it's a It is kind of an interesting year for

842
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: teams like Atlanta, it seems like Baltimore who have competitive

843
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: cores but have a chance to be picking in the

844
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Speaker 3: top six seven picks. So going to it's a good

845
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: draft class, and I think the Braves are going to

846
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: have some ammunition to have some fun with it.

847
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope and maybe the lottery balls will fall

848
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: our way. I mean, just from like an envy standpoint,

849
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: I can already hear like Mets fans, you know, bitching about, oh,

850
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: the Braves they have one bad year and they get

851
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: they get a number one pick or a number two

852
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: pick or whatever it would be.

853
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: I mean that would be that would be pretty great.

854
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: I don't I can't even I don't know, if the

855
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: top of my head, when the last time the Braves

856
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: have picked number one in their organization's history is. I'll

857
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: try and pull that up real quick, but I can't

858
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: off the top my head, I don't know if you

859
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: remember that. But I mean, there's a chipper.

860
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Speaker 2: He's gonna say.

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Speaker 1: It almost has to be Chipper, right, I mean they've

862
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: been so good since then, yea, more or less. I

863
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: mean they picked I think Ian Anderson went third in

864
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: the sixteen or seventeen straft. Yeah.

865
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is just chipper.

866
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that at least most recent.

867
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, let's go another. Let's get this number one pick,

868
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: and then we can go another thirty five years.

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Speaker 2: Without being at this. There you go, yeah, speak.

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Speaker 1: It into existence, and again we should know. I think

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Speaker 1: eleventh or something like that this year, So who knows.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if the Braves do draw that number one pick,

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Speaker 1: we'll have Carlos on the show again. And of course,

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Speaker 1: as we get patter to the draft in July, we

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Speaker 1: will have full time draft coverage, maybe a little more

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Speaker 1: draft coverage. We always admit, the hosts of this show

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Speaker 1: always admit we are not prospect experts. We are not

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Speaker 1: draft experts, so we call in people like Carlos to

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Speaker 1: help us out because he, of course is one of

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Speaker 1: those experts. Well, Carlos, thank you again for taking the

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Speaker 1: time to come on the show. Really appreciate your insight

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Speaker 1: and all the work that Baseball America does. You all

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Speaker 1: just do such a good job of covering not just

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Speaker 1: the Braves, but the entire major league and minor league system.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you, and hopefully you have some time as

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Speaker 1: this holiday season is around us to step away for

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Speaker 1: it just gets right back up and going as soon

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Speaker 1: as high school and college ball gets going. And is

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Speaker 1: it late January at this point February? I mean I

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Speaker 1: feel like it moves up every year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we get some junior college that starts in January

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Speaker 3: and then mid February all the D one teams are going.

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Speaker 3: So right now for us, it's in We're in prospect

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Speaker 3: handbook mode. So if you guys are interested in the

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Speaker 3: prospect handbook, we are in full editorial mode for that beast.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, we just appreciate the support. I mean everyone

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Speaker 3: you guys are such BA supporters, so we really appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate everyone who subscribes and takes the time to read,

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Speaker 3: because we can do it without you, so appreciate the

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Speaker 3: kind words. Thank you for the support, and happy to

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Speaker 3: come on and talk prospects and Brave stuff anytime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we will put a link to Baseball America

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Speaker 1: in both the YouTube show notes and the audio podcast

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Speaker 1: notes if you want to check them out and support

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Speaker 1: Baseball America and the really talented team of writers. One

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Speaker 1: more time, a big thanks to Carlos for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show. We will be back soon with more Braves news,

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Speaker 1: hopefully some more moves on the horizon, and until then,

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Speaker 1: we will see everybody next time.