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Speaker 3: We're going to move the sticks. I'm Bucky Brooks and

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Speaker 3: stepping in for DJ to day. My man Lance Z

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Speaker 3: is on the horizon. You got things brewing. Kd's coming

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot. We swept the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: No one cares now, Yeah, we got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: You know, we're I'm on sports talk radio every morning

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Speaker 4: Your guy, Aaron Glenn has been on the front of

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Speaker 3: Signed their star players. So first we saw Garrett Wilson

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Speaker 4: And if this works like it worked.

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Speaker 3: Because look, man, what I do know about Age, He's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and doing that there's different ways. Aaron is a

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Speaker 1: While every gym will tell you they want a mobile

441
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Speaker 1: quarterback and they'd like a guy who can hurt you

442
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Speaker 1: with his legs, they still, at the end of the

443
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Speaker 1: day covet elite passers from the pocket. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's why Joe Burrow ends up on this spot now.

445
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Speaker 1: Production wins Akoale. I don't really see how you could

446
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Speaker 1: put I granted, Joe has been to a super Bowl

447
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Speaker 1: in his second year, but he hasn't gotten back there

448
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Speaker 1: since then. I'm not sure, how you put a Burrow

449
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Speaker 1: ahead of Jackson other than a bias of elite pocket

450
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Speaker 1: passer over elite dual threat quarterback.

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Speaker 2: That's the only way I could even look at that.

452
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's crazy.

453
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Speaker 3: I mean, you can talk about him going to a

454
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl, then some would argue that the Cincinnati being

455
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Speaker 3: was really We're right there to win the Super Bowl

456
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Speaker 3: if not for a faulty drive that allowed the Rams

457
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Speaker 3: to steal it at the end. But man, it's hard

458
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Speaker 3: to talk about Lamar Jackson. So here's the thing about

459
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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. You're talking about someone who is a two

460
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Speaker 3: time MVP. We talked about potentially three time MVP. First

461
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Speaker 3: guy in NFL history to have more than forty passing

462
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Speaker 3: touchdowns in fewer than four interceptions. He has two to

463
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Speaker 3: one thousand yard seasons on his ledger. But the bigger

464
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Speaker 3: thing is he's won over seventy four percent of his

465
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Speaker 3: games in the league lance And I know we're at

466
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Speaker 3: this weird stage where people don't like to credit quarterbacks

467
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Speaker 3: with QB wins, But at the end of the day,

468
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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks job is to win the game. Darnia seventy

469
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Speaker 3: five percent games, three out of four games that the

470
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Speaker 3: Raven has played, they win since Lamar Jackson has been

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Speaker 3: the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to knock that, man.

473
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Speaker 3: I know we can talk about the better team and

474
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Speaker 3: all that, but it's hard for me to say that

475
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow goes over top of Lamar Jackson exactly.

476
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Speaker 1: And I think that sometimes there's some arguments that you

477
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Speaker 1: could have made in the past where using the Lamar

478
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Speaker 1: Jackson argument for wins was a little bit of a

479
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Speaker 1: cop out because you're just trying to win an argument.

480
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Speaker 1: But then after last year's performance, which to me he

481
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Speaker 1: got better as a pocket passer, like Lamar elevated, I

482
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Speaker 1: don't think enough was made about how good Lamar got

483
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Speaker 1: as a passer last year, decision making, quickness of processing

484
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Speaker 1: like Lamar across the board was a much better passing

485
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Speaker 1: quarterback than he's ever been. And I think his game,

486
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Speaker 1: he took his game to another level last year, which

487
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Speaker 1: has to be mentioned more. In my opinion, I think

488
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Speaker 1: that the quarterback wins sometimes are overblown. As you said, However,

489
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Speaker 1: when you take it in perspective, if you actually go

490
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Speaker 1: and take a look at games, if if a quarterback

491
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Speaker 1: is having off games or lower statistics, it's the Steve

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Speaker 1: McNair factor.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: The stats didn't look nothing was going to blow you

495
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Speaker 1: away with Steve McNair. But what happened when you're in

496
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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and you're a third and six and

497
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Speaker 1: he makes a play, an incredible play, a single handed

498
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Speaker 1: play to convert a third down and keep a drive

499
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Speaker 1: alive when you're trying to come from behind and win

500
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Speaker 1: like that's a winning play that deserves you know, it's

501
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Speaker 1: not going to look like anything on the stats, but

502
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Speaker 1: making plays like that wins games. And that's why Steve McNair.

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Speaker 1: So the fantasy football world may not have loved him

504
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Speaker 1: as much. Well, the running stats they probably liked a

505
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Speaker 1: little bit, but you know when you like my kids, right,

506
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Speaker 1: they just look at they just look at stats. They

507
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Speaker 1: go to the stats and they put their list together

508
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Speaker 1: based on the stats. They didn't have to watch anyone

509
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Speaker 1: and play. They can tell you who the best was

510
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Speaker 1: based on their stats. And there's just times where you've

511
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Speaker 1: got to understand that making the biggest plays we kill

512
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Speaker 1: players from not performing in a clutch. We should exalt

513
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Speaker 1: them when they do. If they're the Robert Or of

514
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Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks, then so be it. But making much plays

515
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Speaker 1: is making clutch plays.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's something too. You got to be able

517
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Speaker 5: to make the clutch plays and you.

518
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Speaker 3: Want to be able to lean on your quarterback independence

519
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Speaker 3: to be able to get it done. And for whatever reason, look,

520
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Speaker 3: it hasn't consistently happened for Lamar Jackson, so he's downgraded

521
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Speaker 3: from that. So we're four, but now we got to

522
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Speaker 3: go to five because this is the one that I

523
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Speaker 3: think really has people buzzing.

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Speaker 5: It's the Jamie Daniels thing.

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Speaker 3: We created a bit of a stink headed into the

526
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Speaker 3: playoffs when I talked about Jaye Daniels being a Tier

527
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Speaker 3: one player, maybe anointing him before the oil should have

528
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Speaker 3: been dripped on his head.

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Speaker 5: But I like to say that the executives agree with me.

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Speaker 4: Jane Daniels at five.

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Speaker 2: Well, so last year it was pick number seven was CJ.

532
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Speaker 1: Stroud and he was the talk of the town and

533
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Speaker 1: the Texans were, you know, the the Texans were the

534
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Speaker 1: sneaky Super Bowl team to come out of the AFC

535
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Speaker 1: and all that, and then he caught that, you know,

536
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Speaker 1: CJ got a little taste of the of the sophomore Blues.

537
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Speaker 1: Twenty touchdowns, twelve interceptions, an offensive line that that really

538
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Speaker 1: broke down.

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Speaker 2: But CJ didn't play great.

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Speaker 1: He was not as accurate on some easy throws, like

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Speaker 1: some of it was on CJ one PC. A lot

542
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Speaker 1: of people like to just try to give him a

543
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Speaker 1: pass and put it all on the old line. He

544
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Speaker 1: didn't play his best football and he'll tell you that

545
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Speaker 1: it just wasn't great.

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Speaker 2: And so I wonder if Jayde and Daniels.

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Speaker 1: Obviously what we saw in the field one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: Jay and Daniels number five and that's all you can

549
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Speaker 1: work off of. But I'm kind of curious if you

550
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Speaker 1: think that sophomore we call it a slump, but if

551
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Speaker 1: you think that sophomore uh, that sophomore season catches up

552
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Speaker 1: with Jayden Daniels, because more and more teams are gonna

553
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Speaker 1: say he does this, well, well, this is where he struggled.

554
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Speaker 2: Once we got to get into the data and we

555
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Speaker 2: figure out.

556
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Speaker 1: Where his throws were most difficult, where he was least effective,

557
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Speaker 1: they're going to start game planning specifically to push him

558
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Speaker 1: in that direction.

559
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Speaker 2: And so I'm curious if you think that he could.

560
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Speaker 1: See a little bit of a regression from that outstanding

561
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Speaker 1: freshman years that rookie year, it could be.

562
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna be tougher for him. But here's

563
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Speaker 4: the thing.

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Speaker 3: You would like to think that these things build upon

565
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Speaker 3: one another. Jade Daniels did it with a lesser cast

566
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Speaker 3: last year. Talk about Terry mclauren was the only established

567
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Speaker 3: playmaker that he had. He had an older Zach Erks

568
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Speaker 3: in the middle, but really it was the Terry McLaurin show.

569
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Speaker 3: This year, you now have Deebo Samuels coming on board.

570
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Speaker 3: You have better protection with Larry my Tunsel. You just

571
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Speaker 3: think about the way that they are positioned, knowing this

572
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Speaker 3: offense here to Cliff Kingsbury, knowing him, how they can

573
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Speaker 3: go to a higher level and a more advanced level

574
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Speaker 3: when it comes to the scheme and those things. To me, man,

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Speaker 3: it's hard for me to imagine the Washington commander is

576
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Speaker 3: taking a step back because they're a better team. But

577
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Speaker 3: we know it's not played on paper. But I don't

578
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Speaker 3: foresee a sophomore slump in his future just given the

579
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Speaker 3: upgrades did they put around you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you, and I think his

581
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: game is like where CJ. Stroud is not as mobile

582
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Speaker 1: and when he's actually being more mobile, he gets into

583
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Speaker 1: a groove a little bit better. Jayden Daniels to me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, even if he gets rushed, he's still gonna

585
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Speaker 1: make big plays. So I'm kind of with you. As

586
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Speaker 1: long as he doesn't turn it over and as long

587
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Speaker 1: as there's no bickering, you know, as long.

588
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Speaker 2: As the contract stuff doesn't cause.

589
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Speaker 1: That team to short circuit a little bit, which I

590
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Speaker 1: don't think that will be the case. I think they'll

591
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Speaker 1: get something done with McLaurin. I have a hard time

592
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Speaker 1: believing that he kind of drops off like CJ did

593
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Speaker 1: a little bit.

594
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Speaker 2: CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud, of course, was an honorable mention. Matt Stafford's thirty

596
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Speaker 1: seven years old. Bucky his picture. He was a battery

597
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: mate in high school or was it high school or

598
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Speaker 1: when they were youth baseball. You had Matt Stafford and

599
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Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw pitching. Kirshaw just had his last All Star

600
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Speaker 1: game and he's shutting it down and he's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: out of here. Matt Stafford sixth in the NFL according

602
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Speaker 1: to this list. I mean, how incredible is that physical sort?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I can't imagine both of those guys. Can

604
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Speaker 3: you imagine having that kind of pitching rotation in high school.

605
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Speaker 3: One could be the one guy, which I'm assuming Kershaw

606
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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford. If he was too like that would be

607
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Speaker 3: unbelievable to have two guys like that on your rotation.

608
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Speaker 3: But what he can learn from Kershaw is just the

609
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Speaker 3: longevity and the reliability. The thing about Matthew Stafford that

610
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Speaker 3: really gets me is, man, this dude was gifted coming

611
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Speaker 3: out of Georgia. Everyone knew that he was a gifted passer.

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Speaker 3: When you watched him in Detroit, you fell in love

613
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Speaker 3: with his toughness, his grittiness, the way that he would

614
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Speaker 3: consistently bring them back. There was a time I remember

615
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Speaker 3: advocating for him to be an MVP based on how

616
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Speaker 3: well he played in Detroit.

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Speaker 4: You bring him to LA, you.

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Speaker 5: Pair him up with Sean McVay.

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Speaker 3: Sean McVay is able to do some different things because

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Speaker 3: he has a more talented quarterback than he had in

621
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Speaker 3: Jered Goff. But yet this team has been able to

622
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Speaker 3: bounce back in the.

623
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Speaker 4: Past two years.

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Speaker 3: One in four three and six starts, they've been three

625
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Speaker 3: games under five hundred and bounced back and made the postseason.

626
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Speaker 3: And a big part of that is due to Matthew

627
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Speaker 3: Stafford's ability to put this team on the back when

628
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Speaker 3: he needs to.

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Speaker 5: It's really remarkable to watch.

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Speaker 3: And I know there's a lot of conversation about them

631
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Speaker 3: trading away from him getting them out, But I understand

632
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Speaker 3: why Sean McVay wants to hold on to him because

633
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Speaker 3: he hasn't shown any signs of slowing down as an

634
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Speaker 3: aging player.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean we're and I think Aaron Rodgers shows

636
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Speaker 1: you like Matt Stafford's game, I don't really as long

637
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Speaker 1: as his arm as long as his arm health health

638
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Speaker 1: is okay, I don't see why he can't go to

639
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Speaker 1: age thirty nine or forty, to be honest with you.

640
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Speaker 1: And that's why he's number six. I mean he's year

641
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: in and year out. This guy is productive talented, He's

642
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Speaker 1: very talented.

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Speaker 2: We talk about arm talent.

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford is a great example of what it looks

645
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Speaker 1: like you guy number seven, Justin Herbert, I should say,

646
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Speaker 1: Money's guy, DJ's guy with the guys who call the

647
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Chargers games, Justin Herbert. So here's one of the here's

648
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Speaker 1: here's a fuss, and this is a difficult conversation. Is

649
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert has all the tools that you could possibly want.

650
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Speaker 1: It is a little unsettling for people to see Justin

651
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Speaker 1: Herbert's who hasn't really done it and his last the

652
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Speaker 1: last taste we had of Justin Herbert was an atrocious

653
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Speaker 1: playoff in Houston, Texas, probably the worst he's ever played

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And then you have Jalen Hurts at

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Speaker 1: number nine, a guy who's been to the Super Bowl

656
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Speaker 1: twice and won at once and makes a lot of

657
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Speaker 1: winning plays. How does that suit on golf at eight?

658
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Speaker 1: And I'm cool with golf at eight. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of respect for him. It's a great story how he

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Speaker 1: and Stafford both ended up helping their teams. But Herbert

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Speaker 1: at seven, with all the tools and talent in the

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Speaker 1: world at seven versus the guy that maybe is a

663
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Speaker 1: little more limited but just wins at a higher level,

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Speaker 1: makes a lot of those winning plays that we talked about.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, to me, this is the perfect example of

666
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Speaker 3: the debate that you have in war rooms or draft

667
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Speaker 3: rooms around the league is are you going for the tools?

668
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Speaker 3: Are you going for like the intangible traits? Because if

669
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Speaker 3: you're going for the tools, then it's Justin Herbert all day, right.

670
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Speaker 3: You just don't see him. I mean, he's body, beautiful kid,

671
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: talk about coming in size, arm, talent, athleticism can make everything,

672
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: super smart, graduated with a biology degree, all of those

673
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Speaker 3: things you love. He's shown fifteen game winning drives in

674
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Speaker 3: his five seasons with the Chargers. He has over twenty

675
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: one thousand past yards, most in NFL history through five seasons.

676
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Speaker 3: Those things check off a lot of boxes. But I

677
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Speaker 3: got Jalen Hurst has been to two Super Bowls. I'll

678
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Speaker 3: play Pat Mahomes and both of those Super Bowls. Last

679
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: year came away and did it in a major way.

680
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: He has the toughness, the grit, kind of like a

681
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: maturity beyond his years as a leader. How can you

682
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: not like that? I mean, four seasons with ten at

683
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Speaker 3: least ten rushingtons, and I know we talk about they

684
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Speaker 3: have the supporting cast around them, and you know his

685
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Speaker 3: pitch count needs to be held.

686
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Speaker 5: Down under thirty and all that.

687
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Speaker 3: But when Jenleen Nurse is healthy and right, they win

688
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: and they went a ton in Philadelphia. It's hard because

689
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Speaker 3: we talk about winning being the goal. It's hard to

690
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Speaker 3: justify Hurts ranking behind Herbert and that you're talking about

691
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Speaker 3: the tools and the tool built that justin Herbert might

692
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Speaker 3: be bigger and better, but it certainly hasn't been a

693
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Speaker 3: better overall result for Herbert and charges right.

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Speaker 1: Now, No, And I understand that one guy once again,

695
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Speaker 1: that's that pocket pocket passing bias.

696
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Speaker 2: And I think I think a lot of these executives are.

697
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Speaker 1: Kind of betting on the come on this one, like

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Speaker 1: what they think justin Herbert's going to become.

699
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Speaker 2: And that's fine with me. But what is Hurts right now?

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Speaker 1: Hurts is a guy who has rushed for fifty five

701
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Speaker 1: touchdowns over five years. He's rushed for fifty two rushing

702
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: touchdowns over the last four years.

703
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: Those are scores. Now, Yeah, you get some toush push

704
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Speaker 2: in there.

705
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Speaker 1: I get that you can take some of those away,

706
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Speaker 1: but also the toush push like it doesn't work for

707
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Speaker 1: a lot of teams. You know why, because they got

708
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Speaker 1: a quarterback bench press in six hundred I mean squatting

709
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: six hundred pounds running that quarterback sneak like Jalen Hurts

710
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: is specifically suited to run that to run the most

711
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Speaker 1: unstoppable play in football going today.

712
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Speaker 2: I just think that when you take.

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Speaker 1: Everything into account, the rushing yards, the passing, I know

714
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Speaker 1: you're not going to get super excited about all the

715
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Speaker 1: passing stats. But he wins games and he's important in

716
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Speaker 1: winning those games. Yes, he's helped out by AJ and

717
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, and of course there's no question having a

718
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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley on that team. He's got a great offensive line,

719
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Speaker 1: he's got everything you want, he's got a Bagatti around him,

720
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Speaker 1: everything you could want, but he's but he drives it

721
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Speaker 1: the way he's supposed to. So I can't. I can't

722
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Speaker 1: downgrade a guy for doing what he's supposed to do

723
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Speaker 1: with the players who's around him. What I'm gonna downngrad

724
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Speaker 1: him because Howard's done a good job of building that team.

725
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do that.

726
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: No, you can't do and you shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just a look, it's a very unique situation.

728
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Speaker 5: It's one of those things that everyone aspires.

729
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Speaker 3: They have that kind of talent, those kinds of players

730
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Speaker 3: around them.

731
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Speaker 4: But it's debate.

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Speaker 3: Do you want, like in baseball when they're drafting prospects,

733
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Speaker 3: do you want the gap with the tools or do

734
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: you want to finish product when it comes to the

735
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: polish in those things. Justin Hurst has the tools, but

736
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Speaker 3: in terms of the Polish, in terms of winning, not

737
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Speaker 3: many better than Jalen Hurts.

738
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Speaker 4: Let's go to Baker Mayfield.

739
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Speaker 3: Number one overall pick comes in at ten, quite the

740
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Speaker 3: bounced back comeback story.

741
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Speaker 4: Number one overall goes.

742
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Speaker 3: To Cleveland, leads them to the playoffs, unceremoniously dismiss bounces

743
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: around Carolina, la makes his way to Tampa, and in

744
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: Tampa he has seventy three touchdowns in the last two years.

745
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: The only people with more touchdowns Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Yeah,

746
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: think about that to see.

747
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: What That's what Baker is doing right now. That's what

748
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Speaker 4: Baker's doing.

749
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Speaker 1: I knew my draft I knew my scouting reporter was

750
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: right on him. I just needed to wait about six

751
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: years and eventually came true.

752
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: Same thing.

753
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, Well, I guess guys from that draft class

754
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: really so. I think Baker is a great story. I

755
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: love the Baker Mayfield career arc. I think when he

756
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: came out it's not really a secret in a lot

757
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: of circles A Baker's real arrogant guy.

758
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: He was.

759
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Speaker 1: I think he was very full of himself headed into

760
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Speaker 1: the draft process, going into his rookie season, they put

761
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Speaker 1: him on all the commercials and look, he didn't have

762
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Speaker 1: a He had a tough locker. He had a tough

763
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Speaker 1: locker room with wide receivers, with juice. Landry, He's got

764
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Speaker 1: a lot of juice. You got Odell Beckham. You know

765
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Speaker 1: how he's going to be. I mean, you know, I

766
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: think I think Baker's personality, I think he took things

767
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: to you know, he was a guy that was a

768
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Speaker 1: little sensitive about stuff. I think he had a hard

769
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: time compartmentalizing certain failures and it just didn't work out.

770
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: This is a more humbled version of himself.

771
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Speaker 1: If you listen to him talk, he is somebody who

772
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Speaker 1: understands what it means to be a pro.

773
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: Now, it took him going to his fourth.

774
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Speaker 1: Team the job that he did winning that game with

775
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: the Rams.

776
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: He was in for less than a week and they

777
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: had to really tighten up the playbook.

778
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: And he comes in and gets a win on Thursday

779
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: night and play terrific in that game. I think what

780
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Speaker 1: Baker's done in Tampa Bay is fantastic because it's a

781
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: reminder not to write talented quarterbacks off too quickly. Sam

782
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: Donald is another one that showed, hey, hey man, look

783
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: at Sam Donald.

784
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: Look at Geno Smith. Gino Smith was a two.

785
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Speaker 1: Thousand and like what thirteen draft I think so a

786
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: lot of these talented quarterbacks.

787
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: Sometime it just takes getting the mind right.

788
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: Sometime it takes getting enough reps, enough snaps, getting with

789
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: the right offensive coordinator.

790
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but I think the

791
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: ak Or Mayfield story is great.

792
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm really happy for him, and I think that he's

793
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: living up to the talent that we saw him play

794
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: with that senior season at Oklahoma.

795
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Speaker 3: Man's anybody that we talked about being left off that

796
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: you believe deserves to be.

797
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 5: In the top ten in any obvious omissions.

798
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: No, not for me. I mean Aaron didn't play well,

799
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott was hurt.

800
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Speaker 1: I think Dak is the guy that makes it back

801
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: on the list next year. I was going to ask

802
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: you that question, who's going to make it back on

803
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: the list next year? You got George Pickens and Ceedee

804
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Lamb to throw to. I think Dak gets back on

805
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: that list. He was on there in twenty twenty four.

806
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: I think he gets back on that list in twenty

807
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: twenty six when they do that list list again. Of

808
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: all the guys, I don't know if I'm ready to

809
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: believe that Bo Knicks or Caleb Williams is going to

810
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: be there just yet.

811
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put them. I think I think they're going

812
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: to be in for some tests this year. They're not

813
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: they're the hunted. Now, they're not the hunter, they're the hunted.

814
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be a.

815
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: Little, a little uh tougher sled sledding.

816
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: But I do think Caleb Williams, I don't think he's

817
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: gonna be top ten, but you got Ben Johnson and

818
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: you got plenty of talent.

819
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: I think Caleb and the Bears are set for a

820
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: big bounce, a big bounce.

821
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how that plays out.

822
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Speaker 3: Last, before we get out, there's some buzz in the

827
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: league about these second round picks. A bunch of second

828
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: rounders were not signing their contracts. You've talked to some people.

829
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: What's the deal? How come the second rounders aren't signed?

830
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: I was the second round pick. I was able to

831
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: get in before campber. How come what are these guys

832
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: waiting on?

833
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Did you get four

834
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: years fully guaranteed when you sign?

835
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: No, but I don't even have reparations.

836
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 3: I need that right now, guaranteed right.

837
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: Now, like all of that. They need to pay that

838
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: back for all the whole time. I need some of that.

839
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: That's right.

840
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: So the Houston Texans would pick thirty four Jayden Higgins,

841
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: they liked him so much if they just said, look,

842
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: we're just going to guarantee the whole you know, we're

843
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: guaranteeing like high eighty percent anyway with these picks, We're

844
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: just going to guarantee the whole thing. That little move

845
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: caused a massive uh what those the shock waves?

846
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: What do y'all call them?

847
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: When when there's an earthquake, you get the little trimmers rights.

848
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: So that caused the aftershocks around the second round because

849
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: immediately the pick before him, Carson Swetsinger, he signed, you know,

850
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: thirty three had no choice. Now the Browns had to

851
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: give him a fully guaranteed deal as well. So this

852
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: is not around where you have given fully guaranteed money.

853
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: Now you typically what a GM told me is he said, look,

854
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: eighty eight to ninety percent is going to be the

855
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: guaranteed number on second rounder, so it's most of it

856
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Speaker 1: is guaranteed.

857
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: But I think this is the agent's right now. Once

858
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: once the thirty fourth pick win fully guaranteed.

859
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: I think everyone's taking a shot and saying, look, let's

860
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Speaker 1: try to get fully guaranteed as well for the second round,

861
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Speaker 1: and next we move to the third round and see

862
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Speaker 1: if we can get a higher percentage in the future

863
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: of third round picks guaranteed.

864
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Speaker 2: NFL is going to fight against that. They're not just

865
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Speaker 2: going to give you fully guaranteed, even if it's not

866
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Speaker 2: a fight.

867
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Speaker 1: Over millions and millions. It's a principle of not giving

868
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Speaker 1: in to fully guaranteed. But the real thing you need

869
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: to look for here. So the Texans kind of screwed

870
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Speaker 1: the whole second round up for everybody, they caused all

871
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: this drama. We're only thirty where thirty of thirty two

872
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Speaker 1: picks are not signed as of the recording of this

873
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Speaker 1: from the second round. But Tyler Shuck, who was picked

874
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: by the Saints at somewhere around forty forty one, I

875
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: believe buck Derek Carr retired, so his agent Eric Burkhard's like,

876
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Speaker 1: we're going for fully guaranteed too, because we've got all

877
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: the leverage right now. So if forty, if Tyler Shuck

878
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Speaker 1: gets it, every pick before him it's going to Domino

879
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: and go fully guaranteed. It's almost it's almost the luck

880
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: because that precedent is now set. I don't know about

881
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: the picks after him, and my guess is, oh, so

882
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: I did see that a second round pick today there

883
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: was a second rounder who just signed as of this morning,

884
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: when we're like the forty third pick of the draft

885
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: ended up signing a second rounder. And I think that

886
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: you'll see a lot of second rounders start signing their

887
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: deals at eighty eight percent to ninety percent fully guaranteed.

888
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: I think they will get done.

889
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody before the Tyler Shuck pick is

890
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: going to do their deal until Tyler Shuck goes. So

891
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: that has caused a real mess, and in fact, the

892
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: Houston Texans other second round pick, arionte Erser, he's not

893
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: even in a camp, So I think the Texans inadvertently

894
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: caused some drama for themselves because now they can't get

895
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: their other second rounder in because they guaranteed the first

896
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: second rounder his money. So that's what we're dealing with.

897
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: I do think it's going to work itself out fairly quickly.

898
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: I think the dominoes will fall fairly quickly. But we've

899
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. Thirty of thirty two second

900
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: rounders are not in camp, and we're already like we're

901
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: in camp. Trey Harris is a holdout, a second rounder

902
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: from all miss He's a holdout right now.

903
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, it's so bananas when you think about just

904
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: all those things. And here I am thinking about the

905
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: Cincinnati beingers can get their first round in. We got

906
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: a bunch of second round is at the beginning to

907
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: trickle in. But yeah, like I understand it.

908
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: Man.

909
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: You don't want to go before the guy in front

910
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: of you or the guys around you go because you

911
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: want to make sure you get what they get.

912
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 5: You don't want to leave any coins on the table.

913
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 5: More importantly, you don't want to leave any guarantees on

914
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 5: the table. Because we talked about setting precedent. Agents don't

915
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 5: like being the ones that others point.

916
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: To and be like, hey man, this guy messed it

917
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: up for everybody, because it affects your client that's going forward.

918
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and know exactly.

919
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's something a lot of people don't understand,

920
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: is that these Tyler Schuck by the way, it's a

921
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: fortieth pick.

922
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: These agents, I mean, their their relationship with future players.

923
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: The ability to sign, the ability to show out and say,

924
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: look what I did for my client, or be negative

925
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: recruited against that he couldn't even get a guaranteed deal.

926
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: Look what we get did for our second round client.

927
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: So the agents have a dog in a fight in

928
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: this one too. They're they're paying attention to this because

929
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: they're trying to win theirs as well. Alfred Collins was

930
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: the pick who signed the forty third pick. Actually four

931
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: picks have signed now, Shamar Turner. With the Bucks signed,

932
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: you have Alfred Collins signed, Jayden Higgins, and Carson Schwessinger.

933
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: So you've got four second rounders right now currently who

934
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: have signed with their teams. And now that forty three

935
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: goes out for Collins, I think, Bucky, we'll start seeing

936
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the second rounders start coming in.

937
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think we'll start seeing this stuff.

938
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: It's funny, man like, sometimes it takes deadlines to make deals,

939
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: and we're at the deadline. With training camps opening up

940
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: around the league this weekend, so we're seeing more of

941
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: these guys trickle in las Man. This has been great Man,

942
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: I love having you on. It was great so glad

943
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: you were able to join.

944
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 5: Move the sticks way to hold it down.

945
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 4: For a sound I mean and last

946
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: Mhm