Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the right drama Queens up
Speaker 1: girl fashion. But you'll tough, girl. You could sit with
Speaker 1: us Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama drawn
Speaker 1: MC Queen's Drama Queens. Well, this was a doozy hotals.
Speaker 1: This was the episode when One Tree Hill became with
Speaker 1: Steria Lane like Desperate Housewives. Maybe yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like a nineties uh nineties thriller. It wanted to be
Speaker 1: scream fear, Yeah, yeah, fear, scream. What was the one
Speaker 1: with Alicia Silverstone cruel something? No? Yeah? What was that
Speaker 1: one with Carrie always an Alicia Silverstone? Yeah? Cross oh
Speaker 1: crush yeah yeah. This was the psychoderic episode guys alright,
Speaker 1: Season four, Pisode five, I Love you, but I've chosen Darkness.
Speaker 1: Air date October thousand six, Hillary, would you like to
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah? Well, look it had a real Halloween
Speaker 1: vibe to it. For October, Lucas and Peyton discovered that
Speaker 1: Derek's interest in Peyton is more than brotherly, and Derek's
Speaker 1: behavior takes a dark turn. That's an understatement. Haley reveals
Speaker 1: that she's pregnant to Nathan at the same time he's
Speaker 1: offered a scholarship to Duke, and Rachel uses the Internet
Speaker 1: to set Brooke up on a blind date with an
Speaker 1: older guy. I mean, three very different trajectories in this
Speaker 1: episode for the three ladies of one dreal like, like,
Speaker 1: what does our show want to be right now? I
Speaker 1: don't know. The Haleys like it was those two things
Speaker 1: really probably shouldn't have been in the same episode. The
Speaker 1: Haley and Nathan like emotional pregnancy journey, his dream and
Speaker 1: it was like those are that was one of those
Speaker 1: feel good storylines that we love about our show. And
Speaker 1: then this random, psychotic, vile, lent storyline. I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe they could have done a little better, you know,
Speaker 1: parceling those out into different different episodes, because even the
Speaker 1: music choices, it would be like don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, sideways,
Speaker 1: camera angles, like really loving stuff when Nathan looks in
Speaker 1: the camera and just like, yo, baby, I love you
Speaker 1: so much. You know there's tears. You would need babies
Speaker 1: too much, too much. Wow, it was very all over
Speaker 1: the place. It starts on our sex worker, UM, played
Speaker 1: by a friend of ours, Carrie Moscow. She was my
Speaker 1: stand in for a big run of the show, UM,
Speaker 1: and she was an actor as well, And UM, I
Speaker 1: like that she got some screen time. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought she did a really good job with what
Speaker 1: she had to do, because it was sad that she
Speaker 1: couldn't say I've been assaulted, you know, she had to
Speaker 1: pretend like I'm just clumsy. Really, I felt for her
Speaker 1: character in that very you know, short scene. She'd been
Speaker 1: burned too, and I did too. It was it was
Speaker 1: nice to see her on camera. I remember, Uh, she
Speaker 1: was such a lovely person to be around. You know,
Speaker 1: our standings, UM. I don't know if we've explained this
Speaker 1: on the show before, but for those of you who
Speaker 1: don't know anything about how things are, films are made, UM,
Speaker 1: when actors, after we rehearse, we go get our hair
Speaker 1: and makeup on and our wardrobe and everything, and then
Speaker 1: all the lighting guys are setting up lights and setting
Speaker 1: up the cameras and they need bodies to stand in
Speaker 1: our place so that they can light us properly. So UM,
Speaker 1: that's what Carrie was one of the lovely gals that
Speaker 1: we had who would do that for us. And she
Speaker 1: was a very she's very vivacious, like lovely, sweet smart.
Speaker 1: I loved seeing her, so it was really that was
Speaker 1: one of the fun parts about getting I think for
Speaker 1: a lot of standings, you get on a show and
Speaker 1: then the crew and everybody gets really comfortable with you,
Speaker 1: and then when a part like this comes up, you're
Speaker 1: the first person they think of because you're there every day.
Speaker 1: You're already around everyone. Um so, and I think we
Speaker 1: did that quite a bit on our show with So
Speaker 1: if your standing was in this episode two Actley, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, that's part of what's so cool,
Speaker 1: especially when you do a show for a long time,
Speaker 1: is you really get to form a bond with these folks.
Speaker 1: And you know, by now we're in season four. So
Speaker 1: when we started working, you know, we we were all
Speaker 1: so young. It was pretty common that you'd have someone
Speaker 1: who was your standing, who had been doing it awhile,
Speaker 1: who maybe was your age, who maybe was a little
Speaker 1: older than you. And then a lot of those people
Speaker 1: go and they get the jobs they've been training for
Speaker 1: and and you get this sort of new crop of people,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, we had we had like
Speaker 1: what was it, probably like three regular folks for each
Speaker 1: of us over the course of nine years. Like those
Speaker 1: are really close relationships. And you know, even I did
Speaker 1: four years of a show UM in Chicago, and I
Speaker 1: had the same standing for almost the entire time, in
Speaker 1: the same stunt double for the entire show. And it's
Speaker 1: like these people become your families. And like Kelly who
Speaker 1: doubled me UM who helped do all the stunt choreography
Speaker 1: in Chicago, had actually doubled me on a movie that
Speaker 1: I filmed while we were doing One Tree Hill and
Speaker 1: has gone on to continue working with me. And it's
Speaker 1: like it's such a It is interesting because people don't
Speaker 1: see those people on camera a lot, but they are
Speaker 1: like truly some of our closest friends in our working world.
Speaker 1: And it was always so neat when to your point apart,
Speaker 1: like this would come up and then they'd be given
Speaker 1: the opportunity to audition, and it was just always really
Speaker 1: special when they would win a part like that because
Speaker 1: they were on set day and day out, studying and
Speaker 1: learning the craft and you know, trying to Um pursue
Speaker 1: those goals while helping us pursue ours. It's like it's
Speaker 1: a very very special thing. Yeah. Um. Also, which I've
Speaker 1: always think it's funny because they try to find stand
Speaker 1: ins that have um features that are similar to yours,
Speaker 1: Like Ashley has it has an upturned I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the right phrase, but like a very defined
Speaker 1: nose and so do you, and you're like a similar
Speaker 1: bone structure like her cheek bones. There's this like even
Speaker 1: though you guys don't look like if you pass each
Speaker 1: other on the street and the same thing, bridget my
Speaker 1: my stand in big brown eyes, kind of a round
Speaker 1: face and like you know, put puffy cheeks. Hillary you
Speaker 1: um carry had um and they have to find somebody
Speaker 1: who's your height too. But the hair color. Her eyes
Speaker 1: were blue and yours are green. But it's the same
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, eyes, big light eyes, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: similar kind of skin tone and bone structure, shoulders, shoulders
Speaker 1: are a big thing, that's right, That's right. So it's
Speaker 1: funny to see somebody come in and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're the other me. This is so weird. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: to have Carrie dressed up as you. Okay, it really
Speaker 1: did create this chilling effect because you could see as
Speaker 1: an audience member what Derek saw in her, and it's
Speaker 1: because that's what our whole crews on her. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just found I'm doing a documentary for something else, and
Speaker 1: I had to go through and look at all of
Speaker 1: our pictures from this era, and I just found, like,
Speaker 1: literally right before we started watching this episode, all the
Speaker 1: pictures from this episode, because hair and makeup took a
Speaker 1: bunch of behind the scenes photos, and there are pictures
Speaker 1: of me with my stunt double in our cheerleading uniforms,
Speaker 1: and so we'll post those. Well, I'm gonna post those.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get those out. You know. What else
Speaker 1: say is that we talked at length in our last
Speaker 1: podcast about how um complicated this episode was because they
Speaker 1: were really trying to appeal to a male audience that
Speaker 1: liked female brutality, and so I don't want to continue
Speaker 1: to beat that dead ho. What I will say is
Speaker 1: our hair and makeup team knew how uncomfortable I was,
Speaker 1: and they made that day of shooting in the bedroom
Speaker 1: with Derek and all the crazy so fun, and they like,
Speaker 1: they made it like such a joke, Like any time
Speaker 1: I was just like seated on the floor because Peyton's
Speaker 1: getting dragged and it's in between takes. They would they
Speaker 1: would yell out, like nobody puts baby in a corner,
Speaker 1: you know, just for being so freaking goofy about it. Um,
Speaker 1: And that's man, that's the power of chicks. Chicks just
Speaker 1: know when you're uncomfortable, and they're like, we're gonna come
Speaker 1: in and at least we're going to make it funny
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So yeah, we had a good Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: how was Matt in that? I mean that had to
Speaker 1: have been hard for him to you know, I think
Speaker 1: any any guy who's not a second path, you know,
Speaker 1: feels uncomfortable being put in that position, having to act
Speaker 1: out and stuff like that. With all of our boy
Speaker 1: start having to do like like this new Nick guy
Speaker 1: has to be a total creeper that's so creepy that
Speaker 1: whole Derek has to be creepy, and Nathan has to
Speaker 1: be like kind of complicated with the I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: feel guilty about this of it all. Um. Yeah, doing
Speaker 1: hard stuff is where you're acting shows up. I suppose
Speaker 1: Matt Barr, But did you guys have conversations with he
Speaker 1: like you know, is this okay? What can I like? How?
Speaker 1: How did that go? That? Dude was so concerned about
Speaker 1: my comfort level, Like the whole the whole time he
Speaker 1: was on the show, you know, it was always like,
Speaker 1: is this too much? Is what works for you? How
Speaker 1: can I dial this back? How do I you know,
Speaker 1: I have to make your terror makes sense? So do
Speaker 1: you need me to turn it up to eleven? Like?
Speaker 1: He just checked in constantly. And he was younger than
Speaker 1: us too. You know, I don't know what Matt had
Speaker 1: worked on before he came on One Tree Hill, but
Speaker 1: it's not like he'd been doing a ton of movies
Speaker 1: where he was the old, you know, seasoned pro. He
Speaker 1: just knew to be thoughtful about it, um, and especially
Speaker 1: like you know, there's he throws me on the head,
Speaker 1: butts me onto the bed and then has to climb
Speaker 1: on top of me. That got me. I have kissed
Speaker 1: every boy on this show, and I will say that
Speaker 1: like Matt Barr having to do as much physical interaction
Speaker 1: as we did, hands down the most thoughtful with like
Speaker 1: where do I put my hands? Where can I put
Speaker 1: my leg? You know, are you okay lining this up ourselves?
Speaker 1: Or do you want someone else to do it. Um.
Speaker 1: I can't say enough good stuff about that guy, because
Speaker 1: he's great and and what I appreciate about Matt is
Speaker 1: that you see it, especially in the scene where Peyton
Speaker 1: goes to his hotel room, which like, what why why
Speaker 1: why did she go there? We all screamed because of
Speaker 1: the wise she had to check the keyboard sticky, Why
Speaker 1: man sticky? Why? Uh? But showing the instability in that
Speaker 1: humans psyche Uh, Matt did a really good job because
Speaker 1: you can tell that Derek is on rattling. I mean,
Speaker 1: and like, not in a I want to sleep with
Speaker 1: you kind of way necessarily, but in a I need
Speaker 1: to consume you. I need like your validation is the
Speaker 1: only thing keeping me breathing. Yeah, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: kind of possessiveness that is so clearly off the rails,
Speaker 1: and it's really it's really fascinating to watch someone who's
Speaker 1: good like Matt is good, he's an actor handle it,
Speaker 1: and it's relieving to know how kind he was in
Speaker 1: your one on ones behind the scenes that were so upsetting,
Speaker 1: because it's really hard to film material like that. It
Speaker 1: does leave a residue on your body, and how much
Speaker 1: of it you can arry can really be mitigated by
Speaker 1: the tenor of the environment when the cameras aren't rolling,
Speaker 1: and you deserve to if you have to portray scenes
Speaker 1: like this or or do material like this, like what
Speaker 1: a gift to at least have someone try to take
Speaker 1: care of you through it. That's a that's a good
Speaker 1: scene partner. And I think you know to your point.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the things that make us really uncomfortable
Speaker 1: about some of these storylines, and whether it's this kind
Speaker 1: of really extreme um male obsessive violence and possessiveness, or
Speaker 1: it's you know, a teacher telling his date that he
Speaker 1: fantasizes about high school cheerleaders. It so gross that this
Speaker 1: whole storyline. Oh, we don't like where this is going
Speaker 1: for you. I can't wait to read you guys the
Speaker 1: tweet I got about just today because people know this
Speaker 1: episode is coming off. Um. But I will say that
Speaker 1: the way that the set is run between the takes
Speaker 1: can make all the difference when you know when the
Speaker 1: material is not emotionally ideal. Well, even like Matt went
Speaker 1: so far out of his way to like be bros
Speaker 1: with Chad and Ernest Waddell, who plays real Derek as well,
Speaker 1: like he wanted them to feel comfortable and there's kind
Speaker 1: of this weird alpha male energy anytime there's action scenes
Speaker 1: were like you stay away from each other in between takes,
Speaker 1: and like you go to push ups in a corner
Speaker 1: so you look ripped and like that. And Matt was
Speaker 1: just like, does anybody want coffee? I'm going by craft service,
Speaker 1: Gonna get you guys anything, you know, And it was, yeah,
Speaker 1: the camaraderie with all of us because we all end
Speaker 1: up rolling around together on the floor in that bedroom,
Speaker 1: hitting each other with lamps and uh, it was just
Speaker 1: part of time that you kind of have to when
Speaker 1: you're when you're playing a role like that, you've got
Speaker 1: to make sure everybody knows you're act really nice guy. Well, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of actors out there who are so
Speaker 1: method that they'll show up and be broody and just
Speaker 1: stay in that zone and it's like, oh, it's scary
Speaker 1: to be around. And you know, I just I love
Speaker 1: it when people are able to just be Who was it,
Speaker 1: Laurence Olivier That was like it's called acting, Yeah, said
Speaker 1: I think I think Dustin Hoffman on a movie and
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, kid, please its acting directing yourself.
Speaker 1: So seriously, yeah, okay, well let's get let's go in
Speaker 1: a little bit of order here. Because Haley and Nathan
Speaker 1: had a huge storyline, that's a big episode. We kept
Speaker 1: this you know, suspense going since last season where we
Speaker 1: don't know who's pregnant. I know, Okay, well let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Um. Apparently I discovered self tanner highlights and
Speaker 1: eyelash strips because but then also somehow I discovered like,
Speaker 1: what are they board shorts? I literally don't even know
Speaker 1: what those kind of shorts are called. They go to
Speaker 1: your knees and short. The era where I would be
Speaker 1: in a long sleeve T shirt bermuda shorts and platform
Speaker 1: flip flops is uh yeah, it's not to be desired.
Speaker 1: This was a costume designer that I didn't get along with.
Speaker 1: Well he wasn't here for very long. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember. He was really combative. He put out three
Speaker 1: outfits for you and you'd be like, oh, I really
Speaker 1: love this one. This one's actually my least favorite. So
Speaker 1: if we can make sure that like this isn't the one,
Speaker 1: and then sure ship you choke up in your trailer
Speaker 1: in the morning, and it would be the one you hated.
Speaker 1: You were just like, God, this guy whatever. Though shorts
Speaker 1: were cute and I like that. Haley was like, look,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be pregnant, I'm hot pregnant, like none
Speaker 1: of this sweaty, like I don't feel good ship so cute.
Speaker 1: So so yeah. I mean, I remember when we filmed
Speaker 1: that scene. I thought it was really strange. I was
Speaker 1: having a hard time figuring out how to deliver that
Speaker 1: line because it was so unnatural to me for Nathan
Speaker 1: to say I'm going to duke, and for Haley, who's
Speaker 1: been holding onto this secret the whole time, to spit
Speaker 1: out I'm pregnant. Um, it just seemed really out of character,
Speaker 1: like she, if she's held on to it this long,
Speaker 1: she would let him really enjoy that and everything and
Speaker 1: then maybe break it to him in like a couple
Speaker 1: of days. And I don't know. So that was weird,
Speaker 1: but we figured it out. It still felt clunky to
Speaker 1: me when I watched it back. Um, but then why
Speaker 1: is Nathan so I don't know, it seems so strange.
Speaker 1: Did did did all that his behavior check out? For
Speaker 1: you guys, because to me, it seems so weird. Well,
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say is none of us had had babies,
Speaker 1: none of us had been pregnant when this was filmed,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, what do those hormones due to
Speaker 1: your brain, you know, in your first trimester? And now
Speaker 1: I know I was a nightmare. I mean like legit
Speaker 1: nut case. And the idea that Haley's like saying things
Speaker 1: out of character, yeah that tracks. Yeah, okay, you know
Speaker 1: her sensitivity to stuff makes sense. M hmmmm. But I
Speaker 1: will also say Nathan tracked for me because of the
Speaker 1: prior episodes, Like, if he had just talked to you
Speaker 1: in that way, I think I would have been like,
Speaker 1: what the funk man? But because he has thought Brooke
Speaker 1: is pregnant, and he's been like, I can't believe she
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell him. How has she kept this from him?
Speaker 1: He's gotten really vulnerable about how he feels about secrets
Speaker 1: and what feels like a betrayal of trust and confidence
Speaker 1: and and I do think look, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, priority number one is the pregnant person, like
Speaker 1: Hayley needs to the process she's having the feelings she's having,
Speaker 1: but he's also having an experience. Yeah, like you can't
Speaker 1: he can't be expected to be that rational. No, And
Speaker 1: I and I think I think because of the episodes
Speaker 1: and episodes we've done of the fake out him being
Speaker 1: like I have literally I mean, you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: say this, but the way I what I what I
Speaker 1: feel like I saw in the performance was I have
Speaker 1: been looking at you for weeks talking about Brooke being
Speaker 1: pregnant and it's you, and you didn't tell me like,
Speaker 1: oh good. So what I what I actually really liked
Speaker 1: about it was that was that there was such a
Speaker 1: miss and so much discomfort and and for once, like
Speaker 1: they push poor Paul into just being such a lunatic
Speaker 1: of the time is Dan. I actually thought the Dan
Speaker 1: Scott stuff really worked in this episode. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: super Villain. It was much smaller, it was smarter, it
Speaker 1: was better played manipulation. And I think that's Paul because
Speaker 1: he knew there was so much psycho in this episode.
Speaker 1: He was like, they don't need Dan over the top either. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He brought it down to the ground and very very
Speaker 1: real and it was so good. And the crazy thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, and for our friends at home when we
Speaker 1: watched the episode, when Dan says, you know, Hayley's already
Speaker 1: had her dream. Now it's your turn. The three of
Speaker 1: us were like, oh my god, do we agree with
Speaker 1: Dan Scott right now? He's not wrong and so he's
Speaker 1: not wrong. So it's this really interesting moment where I think,
Speaker 1: what I like about it is that I can see
Speaker 1: why everybody's upset, and I don't think anybody's actually wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are some of the most interesting interactions. I think
Speaker 1: when you when you're whether it's in your in personal life,
Speaker 1: it's harder to appreciate the the intrigue of the dynamic
Speaker 1: when it's your own personal feelings and relationship. But watching um,
Speaker 1: someone else go through it. That's why I said when
Speaker 1: Nathan walked out the door, It's like, what an interesting
Speaker 1: It's so interesting that all these people are feeling their
Speaker 1: own feelings and that's their reality, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they feel, and none of them are really wrong, but
Speaker 1: they're all missing each other. I as like, as a
Speaker 1: teen boy mom, I'm really interested in the walking way
Speaker 1: of it all because throughout my child's childhood and adolescence,
Speaker 1: I have told him, if you're in a situation where
Speaker 1: you feel your emotions are getting hot, right, take a beat,
Speaker 1: and if you and if you're still hot, go for it.
Speaker 1: But if you're not still hot, then you've taken a beat, right,
Speaker 1: And so I've gotten calls from Gus to school where
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, Gus is just like left the classroom
Speaker 1: or like he's just like let oh yeah, They're like,
Speaker 1: he's left, he's walked away from a situation and we
Speaker 1: can't get him to talk to us. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't need to talk to you, but I've
Speaker 1: raised him to walk away. And so like what I thought,
Speaker 1: what Nathan did was right, because that's how I've raised
Speaker 1: my child. Like you know, before you get into it, yeah,
Speaker 1: take your beat, and if you still feel the same way,
Speaker 1: honor it. But if you don't, good thing you took
Speaker 1: that beat, Yeah, give yourself a moment to really assess
Speaker 1: and let your adrenaline come down, because then you might
Speaker 1: avoid saying something you regret and it'll be better for everybody.
Speaker 1: Because we've seen Nathan say some like nasty stuff. We've
Speaker 1: seen Nathan do some really stuff. And so rather than
Speaker 1: do anything nasty, he was like, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to Rachel's house and sit on her bed to go
Speaker 1: to somewhere totally random and reject her. Still and still, Yes,
Speaker 1: I heard something yesterday was having drinks with a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She said, you can't solve a problem on the same
Speaker 1: frequency that it was created. Um. It's a quote from
Speaker 1: someone I can't remember who. If anybody out there finds it,
Speaker 1: I'd love to know who said that. Um. But I
Speaker 1: think it's so true that you can't wherever the problem
Speaker 1: is created. You have to come at it from a
Speaker 1: different angle. And when you're uh, when you're hot and
Speaker 1: you're meeting it on the same emotional level, you there's
Speaker 1: no good that's going to come from that. It's always
Speaker 1: going to be just two problems back and forth, batting
Speaker 1: at each other. You know, it's Einstein Joy, Oh that guy.
Speaker 1: We can't solve problems by using the same kind of
Speaker 1: thinking we used when we created them. I like the
Speaker 1: frequency at it that. I like how it's evolved. Here's
Speaker 1: a here's a random, totally total non seguitar um. My
Speaker 1: grandmother used to catch butterflies on the beach with Obertin.
Speaker 1: She dated Einstein, dated Einstein, No, she would she was
Speaker 1: a little girl and she would catch butterflies on the
Speaker 1: beach with him. When she was a little girl and
Speaker 1: he was out there and he was like, isn't that
Speaker 1: so funny? Um? Anyway, but can we'll tell people that
Speaker 1: your grandma dated Einstein because that is just like a
Speaker 1: I think the age difference. If somebody really like, I know,
Speaker 1: it'll be like Nick in this episode. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: Pocohonas and John Smith. We're like, teachers should not be
Speaker 1: hitting on their students, and then we're like, what a
Speaker 1: hundred years ago it might have been cute. I think
Speaker 1: she was like six and he was like twenty, and
Speaker 1: it was like, little girl, you come catch butterflies with
Speaker 1: me on the beach. Um anyway, Sorry coming back to it,
Speaker 1: but yes, that's that's a lesson that has been very
Speaker 1: difficult for me to learn in life, and I'm I
Speaker 1: still work on it. Is when I feel that emotional
Speaker 1: reaction come up, I feel so strongly about it that
Speaker 1: like if I don't do it, if I don't say something,
Speaker 1: something must be done. I must do something and always
Speaker 1: always get backfires. And I just have to learn have
Speaker 1: to keep reminding myself to do exactly what you're teaching
Speaker 1: your son, which is so great. Hillary, just walk away,
Speaker 1: come back later. My cycle is say it calm, say
Speaker 1: it calm, Say it calm, say it calm. And then
Speaker 1: when I hit that bain, I've said it calm five
Speaker 1: times and I have to explode. You've earned that. And
Speaker 1: I think, and I think Nathan is doing that. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it calm. I'm gonna say it calm.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it calm. And if everyone keeps pushing
Speaker 1: my buttons, I might explode because we've all seen me
Speaker 1: do that before. Um. But but the tempered reactions are
Speaker 1: difficult for kids. You know, Hayley's dealing with she's dealing
Speaker 1: with pregnancy hormones, but Nathan's dealing with teen boy hormones
Speaker 1: and kids who have been raised with parents that clearly
Speaker 1: don't spend time teaching them anything. Yeah, yeah, Ferrell, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the most The most eternal person in this episode,
Speaker 1: the most parental person in this episode is Karen when
Speaker 1: she welcomes Haley in and says, welcome to my life.
Speaker 1: You know I was given you guys more of like
Speaker 1: a scene I think they did. I think we remember
Speaker 1: this was at that point where at least two scenes
Speaker 1: wound up on the cutting room floor every episode because
Speaker 1: they would overwrite and then we would lose things, and
Speaker 1: it was so sad. I feel like it would have
Speaker 1: been so nice to see you. But what I will
Speaker 1: say is it made sense, Like even just that sentence
Speaker 1: was so impactful, and this idea that an adult could
Speaker 1: look at you and say, I've been there, I'm here
Speaker 1: Haley going to Dan though, that really threw me off.
Speaker 1: It threw me off on the day too, and when
Speaker 1: I got the script, I was like, this is so
Speaker 1: unrealized at about you and Paul are such good friends? Now?
Speaker 1: Were you guys that tight then? Like was this kind
Speaker 1: of a behind the scenes showing up on camera thing
Speaker 1: or was this the start of you guys hanging out more,
Speaker 1: because yeah, we were tight. We were tight kind of
Speaker 1: right right away. We became good friends, and I think
Speaker 1: once I got married in real life, that relationship cooled
Speaker 1: because I don't know, it was just like I was
Speaker 1: young and it felt weird to be like super close
Speaker 1: friends with somewhat like I mean, I got along better
Speaker 1: with him than I did with my husband's. Probably I
Speaker 1: should be respectful and not like spend all my time exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be a good wife. Um. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so we did get on really well and
Speaker 1: it was always easy on set. So I think that
Speaker 1: was probably a little bit of just normal Paul enjoy
Speaker 1: communication just bleeding into that scene. But it just was
Speaker 1: I just could not really believe that Hayley would go
Speaker 1: to Dan first, maybe Karen, maybe Deb maybe her own
Speaker 1: mom like my own mom, and dad. Uh Lucas he
Speaker 1: just seems like the last person that she would go
Speaker 1: to a to confide in, be to give information to, uh,
Speaker 1: and then see to receive advice from. All three of
Speaker 1: those things are just very I just I don't I
Speaker 1: don't believe it. I don't buy it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess the line of thinking is of Nathan was following
Speaker 1: Dan's trajectory. The only other person on the planet that
Speaker 1: could know what Nathan's thinking is the other guy that
Speaker 1: you know had a dream. I dreamed a dream. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe in that case then I wish I
Speaker 1: had played it differently. And um, who knows. Maybe I
Speaker 1: was feeling stubborn on that day and I just was like, no,
Speaker 1: I really want to sit down and be sincere, and um,
Speaker 1: maybe I should have done it more like from the
Speaker 1: door and been like hesitant and I wish I wasn't here.
Speaker 1: There's no reason for me to be here, but I
Speaker 1: have to do this and you need to know, and
Speaker 1: you know, could have kept it a little bit more that.
Speaker 1: But then again there's the hormones as a pregnancy hormones,
Speaker 1: so that kind of writes everything. You can have free
Speaker 1: pass free hall pass on pregnancy hormones for like everything,
Speaker 1: you set Dan up for tenderness, which is because if
Speaker 1: we look at all of Dan's lines in that episode
Speaker 1: or in that scene, he's got that line where you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant and he says that seems to be going
Speaker 1: around and he says in a really loving way, but
Speaker 1: he could have said it really Assi if he wanted to.
Speaker 1: You know, like, you set him up for tender choices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's interesting to see Dan like processing all this
Speaker 1: and the way that he approached Nathan on the basketball
Speaker 1: court afterward, which yeah, also again could have been done
Speaker 1: and delivered in a way that was very mustache twisty
Speaker 1: villain and instead it was very real, solid advice, I
Speaker 1: mean loving advice. Yeah, he was right, he was, I know,
Speaker 1: what does Haley want to study? That she can only
Speaker 1: go to Stanford. That's what I was thinking, Like, what's
Speaker 1: the big deal, Yeah, she could very easily go to Duke.
Speaker 1: But I think, look, I think part of it is
Speaker 1: about what our dreams are. And it's what Dan says
Speaker 1: to Nathan. You've loved Haley for a year, You've loved
Speaker 1: basketball your whole life. We we have these dreams, these
Speaker 1: things that were obsessed with as young people, and then
Speaker 1: your plans change and you realize, oh, this is still great.
Speaker 1: But when you're so young and your your plans haven't
Speaker 1: had much cause to change, I think the idea of
Speaker 1: you know, the pennant you've had on your wall since
Speaker 1: you were little is probably really really meaningful to you,
Speaker 1: even though at this at this stage in life, you know,
Speaker 1: now we're all the age that Dan Scott was and
Speaker 1: we look back and go, it doesn't no matter where
Speaker 1: you go to college, how dub But at seventeen, it's
Speaker 1: like it's everything. Have you ever dated someone that was
Speaker 1: like I need you to give up the super huge opportunity,
Speaker 1: like you're going to pick me over this big opportunity? Yes?
Speaker 1: And did those work out? No? Not? The relationship and
Speaker 1: then the missed opportunity. Yeah, you know, it's like I think,
Speaker 1: so there's a distinction that feels important between what Nathan says,
Speaker 1: which is, this is a decision will make as a family,
Speaker 1: this we will choose our path based on what's good
Speaker 1: for the three of us. There's that, and then there
Speaker 1: is the thing that I see us all smirking about,
Speaker 1: which is being young and especially being young women who
Speaker 1: are succeeding and being in relationships with men whose masculinity
Speaker 1: is very threatened by female success, who then look at you.
Speaker 1: We've had someone or someone's look at each of us
Speaker 1: and say you need to be a little smaller so
Speaker 1: I can be big. And that is like, that's just
Speaker 1: like pouring napalm on the whole neighborhood. It's like goodbye,
Speaker 1: light it up, like we're done, We're done here. That
Speaker 1: is when someone just wants you to be small so
Speaker 1: they can feel big. It's very different than being in
Speaker 1: a healthy partnership, where where as a team you say, okay,
Speaker 1: we have to figure out what's doable for us. It's
Speaker 1: hard to tell though, when especially when you're young. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, even at our age, it can sometimes be
Speaker 1: hard to tell. But you know, we have the advantage
Speaker 1: of life experience, because when you're that young, it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, you should be able
Speaker 1: to have space for you and so yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want to take up all the space. Like let's you
Speaker 1: you think that you're actually maybe doing something so much? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and no, like okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna make sacrifice.
Speaker 1: That's what a relationship is about. You have to make
Speaker 1: sacrifices for each other, and you do so it's like
Speaker 1: there's always this element of truth. Yes, in relationships, you
Speaker 1: need to make sacrifices for each other, but it's within
Speaker 1: the context of making decisions together, rather than someone saying
Speaker 1: I I can't handle your essence, like everything about you,
Speaker 1: your dreams, your your fullness. I can't handle that. You
Speaker 1: have to be smaller. Yeah. What I think is really
Speaker 1: interesting is learning learning that it's a sliding scale, Like
Speaker 1: there there is a window of healthy compromise and willingness
Speaker 1: to listen, but there's a lot on either side of
Speaker 1: that scale. And I think when you're younger, it can
Speaker 1: be easier to martyr yourself or shrink yourself or dim
Speaker 1: your own light and say well of course I can
Speaker 1: do this for you, and yes, I can prove to
Speaker 1: you that I love you so much because I'm willing
Speaker 1: to miss out on fill in the blank. And it
Speaker 1: is to your point, Joy that life experience you get
Speaker 1: as you get older, where it's much easier to know
Speaker 1: the difference between someone who's insecure. Yes, and and you
Speaker 1: know they say, for example, marriage or relationships their work,
Speaker 1: and all of us are at the stage where we go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: their work, but they shouldn't be torture. And when you're young,
Speaker 1: when you're younger, sometimes you think that the suffering, like
Speaker 1: this must be the work that everybody says it takes,
Speaker 1: and you're just you're in the wrong scale. It's a
Speaker 1: hard no on the suffering and the torture for me
Speaker 1: by the work is more like who's picking up Thai
Speaker 1: food tonight? You know, like which one of us is
Speaker 1: going to take that turn? Um, Joy, you made a
Speaker 1: comment during the press conference. You're like, why is it
Speaker 1: Hailey there? Like, yeah, in hindsight, what do you think
Speaker 1: Hayley should have done? Given that, Like Nathan, this child
Speaker 1: clearly has PTSD. His mom's got off the rails. This
Speaker 1: child has not had a win in a long time,
Speaker 1: like as his partner, what would you have done? Absolutely
Speaker 1: would have shown up me now like my age. Now
Speaker 1: you just put the problem on the shelf and know
Speaker 1: you're gonna coming back to it, and you show up
Speaker 1: with bells on. But you know she's again like six
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. I don't know. I guess she was feeling
Speaker 1: sorry for herself. They had a big fight, and that's
Speaker 1: something that happens a lot in relationships, when you have
Speaker 1: a fight and then you think, oh, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: me there. He actually basically told me stay home, like,
Speaker 1: don't be a part of this. Even though those words
Speaker 1: weren't said, you interpret those feelings and um, you know,
Speaker 1: people misunderstand each other all the time and then feel
Speaker 1: like then again they're just missing each other. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do wish. I don't know. Do you think she should
Speaker 1: have stayed home? Did you? Did you like that when
Speaker 1: he came home? Like the Haley I think of would
Speaker 1: have had a cake that said like the baby and
Speaker 1: I are proud of you. You know, I would have
Speaker 1: done something to be creative and make it like fun
Speaker 1: and so to see her just so like I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was kind of MOPy. Yeah. But in the same
Speaker 1: way that I can understand Nathan's reaction, I can also
Speaker 1: understand that for Haley, because yes, she's been keeping this
Speaker 1: secret for I don't know, six weeks or whatever. But
Speaker 1: that is six weeks of waiting for the reaction that
Speaker 1: you're hoping is coming, and then you don't get it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's your fault because you're the one who
Speaker 1: kept the secret, but it doesn't matter. It's like, that's
Speaker 1: six weeks of a build up and you're a little heartbroken.
Speaker 1: And and I think that's why I enjoyed these scenes
Speaker 1: with the two of you so much, because I felt
Speaker 1: for you both so clearly. I understood exactly where each
Speaker 1: of you was coming from. And Haley had to go
Speaker 1: lick her wounds, regardless of the fact that they're kind
Speaker 1: of self inflicted. It doesn't matter. Like he he really
Speaker 1: didn't give her the thing she'd been hoping for, and
Speaker 1: he was justified and not being excited because he felt
Speaker 1: betrayed and and oh god, it's like such an uncomfortable
Speaker 1: stand still. Yeah, totally, you know. I wish that scene
Speaker 1: would have gone. I'm rewriting this scene. Okay, Okay. My
Speaker 1: favorite things that we do. Yeah, pretend it happened this way. So, okay,
Speaker 1: Nathan's where did he do? You got a phone call
Speaker 1: or you got an email? It was like a phone call. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Nathan's from Coach K. And then meanwhile we cut
Speaker 1: to Haley Coach K. Haley's in the bathroom and she's
Speaker 1: like psiking herself up to tell him, and she's like
Speaker 1: getting ready to tell him, and then he's on the phone,
Speaker 1: he's got his call. And then she's like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go do it, and maybe she's on her phone.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm gonna tell him now, okay, and then
Speaker 1: they both walk out in the hallway and they're like,
Speaker 1: I have something to tell you, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's both say it at the same time. They're
Speaker 1: both really excited and they say at the exact same time,
Speaker 1: and then they both just like, Oh, that's so much
Speaker 1: better that would have been from now on. That's how
Speaker 1: I remember that scene happening. Yeah, I'm like Hayley being
Speaker 1: in the bathroom on the phone with Brook being like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it today and she's like, you
Speaker 1: better do it today, Hayley. Today, you tell everybody today.
Speaker 1: Like I remember when Jeffrey and I found out that
Speaker 1: we were pregnant with Gus, Like we were like, oh
Speaker 1: oh man, wow, there's a lot of wow. And then
Speaker 1: and then we walked like eight miles like we were
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, and we just walked all the way from
Speaker 1: downtown all the way to uptown and didn't really talk,
Speaker 1: but it was just every once in a while we
Speaker 1: just like stop at a at a light and be
Speaker 1: like wow, wow, Like that's the reaction that I see
Speaker 1: these kids having because it's like I don't even have
Speaker 1: the language take this. Wow. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: you just got to let the silence take over, but
Speaker 1: instead you know. But but what I love about your
Speaker 1: idea to joy is that it would have tracked some
Speaker 1: of the humor, yes, of the last couple of episodes,
Speaker 1: because by the way, some of the great humor is
Speaker 1: for Haley and Brooke and their secrets. Yes, and and
Speaker 1: now I finally know where the gift of me going
Speaker 1: thank you comes from. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's that cake. Should have come in. Brook should have
Speaker 1: made a cake. They should have she should have been
Speaker 1: at her apartment finishing it up. Like she's got the
Speaker 1: cake covered. Haley pulls the lid off the thing and
Speaker 1: it's the cake that's like, and Brooke is the cake
Speaker 1: just says it isn't me. Congratulations Brook. But it's like
Speaker 1: if if if your scene had happened where you'd been
Speaker 1: on the phone with me and he'd been on the
Speaker 1: phone with the coach and then we've gotten to school,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I get that it didn't go
Speaker 1: the way you wanted it to go, but I don't
Speaker 1: really care. People need to know, like it would have
Speaker 1: tracked the hilarity that you and I had had in
Speaker 1: all of those scenes throughout these first four episodes. I
Speaker 1: loved that jump on the table, just taking it. She
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, alright, I'll just like, yeah, I've done it.
Speaker 1: I'm done, I've run out of road. All right, well
Speaker 1: let's talk about Let's talk about Brook then, because she
Speaker 1: again manipulating a situation getting broken into some other sticky
Speaker 1: It's just it started so on such a high note
Speaker 1: for Broke, Like I laughed when I jumped up on
Speaker 1: that table. I forgot about that, Like God, I I
Speaker 1: loved the physical freedom I had in her comedy to
Speaker 1: be big and she's like re laiming her power, and
Speaker 1: then Rachel puts her on a dating app. You're so Italian,
Speaker 1: talking with your hands, using your arms and talking with
Speaker 1: your hands on that table, a flailing all the time.
Speaker 1: You can't help it. Um. But yeah, the the stuff
Speaker 1: with the Brook and Nick storyline made me so incredibly uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And you know, I know we've talked about a lot
Speaker 1: of this, and to echo Hillary's point, we're not trying
Speaker 1: to be the dead horse, but I remember how uncomfortable
Speaker 1: it made me then before you even shot it, or
Speaker 1: once you were shooting at all of it, the scenes,
Speaker 1: shooting the scenes, everything was uncomfortable. And and they the
Speaker 1: writers really liked to do this thing where they sort
Speaker 1: of dressed Brooke and Rachel up as these like promiscuity
Speaker 1: barbies and would send them out pretending to be older
Speaker 1: and like seducing guys. And it just really flashed in
Speaker 1: my brain of the boss that came out like ran
Speaker 1: Skipper and like Barbie and then just like but now
Speaker 1: now because it's now, because it's two would be like
Speaker 1: sex positive Barbie, Yeah, like do you but also, oh god,
Speaker 1: I just didn't like it. It made me really uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and and again, like you know, not having like a
Speaker 1: ton of experience under my belt as a woman, like
Speaker 1: a young woman in my twenties, and playing someone on
Speaker 1: TV who was so sexualized, so I got I got
Speaker 1: treated like I was like some wild child vixen in
Speaker 1: my real life because of Brook and it it made
Speaker 1: me so uncomfortable. Would guys come up to you and
Speaker 1: talk to you in ways that you thought they never
Speaker 1: would if they didn't know your character? Oh? Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: remember one night in a bar in Wilmington's getting physically
Speaker 1: assaulted by uh there were a group of Marines who
Speaker 1: were in from one of the basis, and these two
Speaker 1: guys put their hands up my short and I like
Speaker 1: sweating even thinking about it, and I turned around and
Speaker 1: just like the first one close to me, I smacked
Speaker 1: him across the face and like shoved the other one
Speaker 1: and I just started screaming, no shock. I was immediately
Speaker 1: on a soapbox about how they didn't deserve to wear
Speaker 1: a uniform and every freedom they had ever fought for
Speaker 1: was a fucking lie because they were just creepy and
Speaker 1: and suddenly they're like sorry, sorry, And they tried to
Speaker 1: make all these excuses about like watching Brooke Davis on
Speaker 1: the Armed Forces Network and how I was their crut
Speaker 1: crush and I was just like shaking and sweating. And
Speaker 1: when I turned to my right, there was Scottie Saber
Speaker 1: and yeah, and for our listeners at home, Saber was
Speaker 1: like one of our best boyfriends on our show, and
Speaker 1: uh a guy who worked in a ready department, and
Speaker 1: he was a wrestler, like a literal, actual wrestler, and
Speaker 1: he was just standing in they can't put his arms
Speaker 1: all the way down. He's just like built like a
Speaker 1: brick house. And he was standing there with his giant
Speaker 1: like you know, just read in the face and all
Speaker 1: the veins were pumping out of his neck. And I
Speaker 1: looked at him and he was like, I was really
Speaker 1: impressed watching you and you had it, but just so
Speaker 1: you know, I was ready to rip their heads off
Speaker 1: if they had if they had not apologized, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so yes, Like it's tangential, but like
Speaker 1: that was the energy I was met with a lot
Speaker 1: out in the world when our show was on, and
Speaker 1: it was so uncomfortable, and you know, it would even
Speaker 1: be like I don't know, I'd go to like a
Speaker 1: dinner event and depending on who I got sat next to.
Speaker 1: It would run in the tabloids. It's like she's dating
Speaker 1: that and I'm like, I said two words to that person,
Speaker 1: like a thing. I don't know him. Sometimes they were cute.
Speaker 1: I was like, can I get his number? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're gonna write the story, at least
Speaker 1: like somebody take me to dinner. Um, that's when you
Speaker 1: send the apology to the age. I am so sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm very curious if this is a thing. Um.
Speaker 1: So it was just like a weird It was a
Speaker 1: weird time and it was a weird um opinion to
Speaker 1: be met with, To have people really think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I was this girl who would like dress up in
Speaker 1: short skirts and go out and like bang older dudes
Speaker 1: in bars or like in classrooms. It was just not comfortable.
Speaker 1: And the actor who they brought into play Nick Um,
Speaker 1: you know, was polite like it's not even about him.
Speaker 1: It was about the the way these scenes were written
Speaker 1: and what they asked him to do, and like it
Speaker 1: actually made me feel so who good watching how uncomfortable
Speaker 1: that scene made the two of you When you were like, wait,
Speaker 1: this guy's like talking about fantasizing about cheerleaders and he's
Speaker 1: a teacher on a first blind date and like, bloke
Speaker 1: doesn't know that he's a teacher, so he feels like
Speaker 1: he has freedom to ye like, you know, joke about
Speaker 1: that kink. But yeah, it was gross and it and
Speaker 1: it really I think because of what we were all
Speaker 1: going through behind the scenes, it felt even grosser because
Speaker 1: we knew that that was verbatim the fantasy of the
Speaker 1: adult men we worked with. Dude, we do okay in
Speaker 1: terms of like storylines. We just did the Rachel Cooper thing.
Speaker 1: Why are we what are we doing this again? We're
Speaker 1: just lazy constantly doing the high school fantasy with an
Speaker 1: older guys story over and over. And that's what was hard,
Speaker 1: I know, in season, for for me and also for
Speaker 1: Danielle with the Cooper stuff. You know, thank god, Michael
Speaker 1: Truco is the nicest man on the planet Earth. But
Speaker 1: we knew that we were being forced to film re
Speaker 1: enactments of our bosses fantasies and it just felt gross.
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, somebody tweeted me um one of our
Speaker 1: Drama Queens fans, and by the way, I love when
Speaker 1: the boys call out men on their shop Marvebo's Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's this sweet sweet man on Twitter, Mark Corrigan, who
Speaker 1: tweeted at us and said, do you guys think they
Speaker 1: made Brooks eighteenth birthday an on screen occasion to make
Speaker 1: sure the audience knew she was eighteen before she started
Speaker 1: sleeping with her teacher. It always felt icky to me
Speaker 1: and like it was too big of a coincidence. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure it wasn't. I'm sure, you know,
Speaker 1: because did any of the rest of us have birthdays
Speaker 1: on the show? I never did it, m I only
Speaker 1: had the one. I don't remember any other birthdays. And
Speaker 1: it was a big deal about brook turning eighteen, and
Speaker 1: we had just had the Rachel storyline where you know,
Speaker 1: Cooper's what sleeping with a seventeen year old and he says,
Speaker 1: I Am not going to do this, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: seventeen is the age of consent and this state It's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's like pretty pedophile. And so they keep leaning
Speaker 1: into We're going to tell you why it's quote Okay,
Speaker 1: but this whole thing of like do you still have
Speaker 1: your cheerleading uniform? Like it is so clearly about fantasizing
Speaker 1: about teenage girls, and so the whole thing. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: It just it like washes this feeling of ickiness over me.
Speaker 1: And it was hard to deal with that on camera
Speaker 1: and then be met with it out in the world
Speaker 1: and feel like I had to be prepared for a
Speaker 1: fight if like all of us went out to play pool.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a weird It was a really
Speaker 1: weird time. Well, I have to I have to leave
Speaker 1: and go pick up my son, or not pick him up.
Speaker 1: But Gus, Gus is doing a mock trial of the
Speaker 1: Salem witch trials at school and oh my gosh, what
Speaker 1: are you filming it? That's a video of that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be the greatest day of my life. Um, I'm dying. However, Sophia,
Speaker 1: I totally feel what you're saying, because the entire reason
Speaker 1: that Peyton had to go to this press conference for Nathan,
Speaker 1: which makes no sense, was just to have an excuse
Speaker 1: for her to be in her cheerleading uniform, because getting
Speaker 1: attacked in your uniform in a little short skirt was
Speaker 1: hotter than getting attacked in what Peyton was wearing earlier
Speaker 1: during the day, which was like like this cole narrative
Speaker 1: about being at the press conference was manufactured just so
Speaker 1: that the attacks would happen in Bloomers. Um, and remember
Speaker 1: that being like a whole conversation like we just have
Speaker 1: to get you in your uniform, And I was like, huh, um,
Speaker 1: so I just made sure I was really sweaty and
Speaker 1: snotty and bloody, like like how gross? Can I make
Speaker 1: my face? Um? Yeah, So I totally feel what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But look, here's the upside. We got Ernest Waddell out
Speaker 1: of this episode we did. I love such a cool artist.
Speaker 1: It would be really great to have Earnest on the show. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to get him because I think he's still
Speaker 1: in New York and he went to n y U
Speaker 1: with Greenberg. We need to get Earnest, and we need
Speaker 1: to get Matt Barr because you know, our friends who
Speaker 1: got to come on tour got to hear from him.
Speaker 1: But I do think it would be really special to
Speaker 1: to be able to dissect this with him because he
Speaker 1: is just such a good human. Let's have him for
Speaker 1: the prom episode. Alright. I love Trials. Um. So, actually,
Speaker 1: when you were talking, I wanted to ask you because
Speaker 1: there were other teen shows on the air. At the
Speaker 1: time that we were on and other other girls that
Speaker 1: were also objectified in the same way, um, their characters
Speaker 1: being you know, hyper sexualized and stuff. Did you ever
Speaker 1: talk with any of them? Did you guys ever sort
Speaker 1: of did you ever run into anybody at a party
Speaker 1: or end up having a kind of a similar conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, that was part of what was so weird.
Speaker 1: I think for us was just being in Wilmington's. We
Speaker 1: were so isolated. Yeah, you didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: talk with the Gossip Girl girls or the See or
Speaker 1: any I didn't watch those shows, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I just know that was happening on the air
Speaker 1: and a lot of teen shows. So maybe no, I
Speaker 1: mean partially, I think because we were just so rarely
Speaker 1: at things together, you know. I was like all the summer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the summer after I made John Tucker Must Die,
Speaker 1: I did. I did that movie with Penn Badgeley, you
Speaker 1: know who was on Gossip and God Pen is just
Speaker 1: the sweetest, sweetest human and at the time, Uh, I
Speaker 1: don't remember when we made the movie or after. I
Speaker 1: don't obviously know the dates of their relationship, but you know,
Speaker 1: him and Blake dated for a long time. They fell
Speaker 1: in love on that show, and they were a very
Speaker 1: sweet couple. And you know, like I ran into them
Speaker 1: at the Teen Choice Awards and it was like, Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you and whatever. But you know, you see
Speaker 1: someone in passing it an award show, it's not like
Speaker 1: look at the convers at a table you've been drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to have like an experience to bond and
Speaker 1: and get into something. And I think because we spent
Speaker 1: nine years so far away, occasionally they would make it
Speaker 1: work so you could get home to present it the whatever,
Speaker 1: but then you'd come right back. So we we didn't
Speaker 1: have sounding boards aside from each other. And I will say,
Speaker 1: you know, in this era, Danielle was back and forth
Speaker 1: because she was recurring, so she would come in for
Speaker 1: scenes and and go home to l A. And you know,
Speaker 1: you had just gotten married and you were like busy
Speaker 1: having this lovely moment. And so what what was really
Speaker 1: helpful for me was in my friendships with like you know,
Speaker 1: Jane Beck and Lee Norris and sweet Scotty Saber and
Speaker 1: even James, Like we would all go out together and
Speaker 1: they they were some of the ones who really would
Speaker 1: call call out the way I would get approached. And
Speaker 1: when when you look at like when someone says some
Speaker 1: of you and you turn your head and you've got Lee,
Speaker 1: James and Scotty looking at you, going they shouldn't talk
Speaker 1: to you like that, and you go, oh ship, because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in this moment where I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: these people, yeah, maybe they said something inappropriate, or maybe
Speaker 1: the exchange was weird, but their fans and my job
Speaker 1: is to be nice to them. It was really having
Speaker 1: the boys begin advocating saying absolutely not where where it
Speaker 1: helped to undo that girl culture of I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be nice and sweet no matter what, and that that
Speaker 1: is something I will really always cherish. And and I
Speaker 1: know we you know, for you guys at home, we
Speaker 1: probably you're like rolling our eyes out how much we
Speaker 1: talk about how good our boys are, but they really
Speaker 1: really are. And you know, those those three boys, Paul like,
Speaker 1: they were the crew who kind of really helped me
Speaker 1: learn um to clap back at that sort of treatment
Speaker 1: and that it's okay, that it's okay for you to
Speaker 1: stand up for yourself and not just go okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just I just want to be a
Speaker 1: bigger person. I just want to I don't want to
Speaker 1: make waves. And that, by the way, someone who's going
Speaker 1: to call you a bit for saying please, don't speak
Speaker 1: to me like that. You don't know me. It's not
Speaker 1: a person whose opinion you need to care about anyway,
Speaker 1: you know. And then we've got lovely people like Mark
Speaker 1: Corrigan on Twitter and we're like, hey, I'm gonna it
Speaker 1: here and this made me so uncomfortable, and you just go,
Speaker 1: thank you. We we really do. We have a good crew.
Speaker 1: That validation that your first instinct is correct and it's
Speaker 1: all right, you don't have to keep tempering yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you're allowed to have feelings even if they aren't like,
Speaker 1: you know, nice and neat. I think that that's really important,
Speaker 1: and interestingly kind of brings us back around to the
Speaker 1: point of the episode, right like that, that I think
Speaker 1: is what Nathan and Haley illustrated the best in this
Speaker 1: episode five is that everybody's got all these feelings and
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily neat and clean, but to be able
Speaker 1: to process them together, like that's really what gets you somewhere.
Speaker 1: That is so true. That's been one of my biggest
Speaker 1: lessons in life. That I'm still learning is that it's
Speaker 1: okay to have messy emotions. It's just it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: hard to I don't And I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a girl culture. I don't know off it. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I mean, I guess I know
Speaker 1: some guys who live this way too, so maybe it's
Speaker 1: not a gender base. I don't know. But the idea
Speaker 1: that like I want to do everything right, like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like the feeling of realizing I did something
Speaker 1: wrong or made a mistake. It's a horrible feeling. It's terrible.
Speaker 1: But well, the recovery from that and the growth those that,
Speaker 1: that's what life is about. That's that's where the interest
Speaker 1: in life is. It's not in the moments where you
Speaker 1: do everything right. It's in all the moments when you
Speaker 1: find you've got egg on your face and you have
Speaker 1: to apologize, and then you grow and you get closer
Speaker 1: to somebody or um, you learn something that makes you
Speaker 1: a better person, so then you have something to pass
Speaker 1: on to another human being later on down the line. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's important. And and I think the fear that so
Speaker 1: many of us carry about screwing up Ken in a way.
Speaker 1: If it gets too out of control, it can really
Speaker 1: hinder your ability to learn anything, because if you're constantly
Speaker 1: worried that maybe you're not doing it exactly right, are
Speaker 1: you really present for the lesson? Oh? Yes, I was
Speaker 1: like louder I love when I love when I get
Speaker 1: you to lean back in your office chair. Nailed it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Oh, we love you guys. Um Okay,
Speaker 1: So look, we have a question from Jonathan. He wants
Speaker 1: to know if you could live in any character's house
Speaker 1: from One Tree Hill, whose house would it be. Oh?
Speaker 1: I think I would live in Lucas's house. I love
Speaker 1: that little craftsman cottagy feeling. I love that style of
Speaker 1: a home. I don't need a lot. I need land,
Speaker 1: but I don't need a lot of house. Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: I I don't know. It's funny I have such association
Speaker 1: with obviously all of the houses on our show for
Speaker 1: the characters. I think the place I would be the
Speaker 1: most amped to have, you know, speaking of our shared
Speaker 1: love of you know, land and being outdoors, I want
Speaker 1: Rachel's cabin. Oh, good call, Yes, that's the one I want. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good question, Jonathan. Thank you. We needed
Speaker 1: a little bit of we need a little bit of happiness. Now.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just thinking about how I would
Speaker 1: redo the cabin. I'm like, let's let's make that stage
Speaker 1: pest board to look at soon I know it. Oh,
Speaker 1: this one's good. Most likely to move back to Wilmington's
Speaker 1: that's sweet. Gosh, who's most like? Well, Lee Norris did
Speaker 1: write yeah Lee, Lee and Andrea moved back to Raleigh. Um, oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: who would want to go back to Wilmington's. Honestly, you
Speaker 1: know who talks about it all the time is Barbara.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she loved her there. Oh yeah, I mean, gosh.
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I think if I were ever
Speaker 1: able to like maintain a summer home like I would love.
Speaker 1: I would love if we had like a place there
Speaker 1: Bill figure eight or something. Oh, it would just be
Speaker 1: so special. But I gotta say, the lack of a
Speaker 1: direct flight makes it a no go for me. I
Speaker 1: totally agree. It's really difficult. It is so hard to
Speaker 1: get there, and you know, my whole family and my
Speaker 1: you know, my my crew is in Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: the fact that it takes like a nine hour travel day,
Speaker 1: you know, first flight to last flight, not even like
Speaker 1: getting to and from the airport. Oh my god, I know,
Speaker 1: because you have to wait for that layover, and it's
Speaker 1: Atlanta or Charlotte is the only two places you can
Speaker 1: go from l A. It's even from Just coming out
Speaker 1: from Nashville was tough. I was like, man, I just
Speaker 1: wish from like Nashville. This should be God right, Swich
Speaker 1: would get a lot more business if they did. I know,
Speaker 1: there's a ton of flyover state people and the landlocked
Speaker 1: people who would sure love access to that beach. But
Speaker 1: maybe they like it that way. Who's the big airline there? Now,
Speaker 1: we should have a chat with them if we could
Speaker 1: get a direct flight going. Yeah, come on, Delta, come
Speaker 1: on American, let's go. You call it like the Tree
Speaker 1: Hill route, let's go. All right. Well, I'm really hoping.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was just about to say, I hope
Speaker 1: we get to laugh more in the next episode. But
Speaker 1: I feel like, is the next episode prom is it
Speaker 1: more Derek? Oh no, I don't know either. Episode six
Speaker 1: it's called where did You Sleep Last Night? Well, where
Speaker 1: did Derek sleep last night? Because he got up off
Speaker 1: the law. I know, Well, we're going to get more
Speaker 1: of Ernest for sure, because he just got introduced, so
Speaker 1: that'll be fun to get to know him a little
Speaker 1: bit more and then, uh, I don't know, we'll see
Speaker 1: what kind of surprising things await. Thanks for joining us, everybody,
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