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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the right drama Queens up

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Speaker 1: us Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama drawn

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Speaker 1: MC Queen's Drama Queens. Well, this was a doozy hotals.

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Speaker 1: This was the episode when One Tree Hill became with

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Speaker 1: Season four, Pisode five, I Love you, but I've chosen Darkness.

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Speaker 1: Air date October thousand six, Hillary, would you like to

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Speaker 1: do that? Yeah? Well, look it had a real Halloween

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Speaker 1: behavior takes a dark turn. That's an understatement. Haley reveals

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Speaker 1: don't know. The Haleys like it was those two things

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Speaker 1: with pregnancy hormones, but Nathan's dealing with teen boy hormones

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00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: and kids who have been raised with parents that clearly

427
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: don't spend time teaching them anything. Yeah, yeah, Ferrell, Yeah yeah,

428
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: it's like the most The most eternal person in this episode,

429
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: the most parental person in this episode is Karen when

430
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: she welcomes Haley in and says, welcome to my life.

431
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: You know I was given you guys more of like

432
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: a scene I think they did. I think we remember

433
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 1: this was at that point where at least two scenes

434
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: wound up on the cutting room floor every episode because

435
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: they would overwrite and then we would lose things, and

436
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: it was so sad. I feel like it would have

437
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: been so nice to see you. But what I will

438
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: say is it made sense, Like even just that sentence

439
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: was so impactful, and this idea that an adult could

440
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: look at you and say, I've been there, I'm here

441
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: Haley going to Dan though, that really threw me off.

442
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: It threw me off on the day too, and when

443
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: I got the script, I was like, this is so

444
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: unrealized at about you and Paul are such good friends? Now?

445
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: Were you guys that tight then? Like was this kind

446
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: of a behind the scenes showing up on camera thing

447
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: or was this the start of you guys hanging out more,

448
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: because yeah, we were tight. We were tight kind of

449
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: right right away. We became good friends, and I think

450
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: once I got married in real life, that relationship cooled

451
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: because I don't know, it was just like I was

452
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: young and it felt weird to be like super close

453
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: friends with somewhat like I mean, I got along better

454
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: with him than I did with my husband's. Probably I

455
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: should be respectful and not like spend all my time exactly,

456
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be a good wife. Um. But anyway,

457
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so we did get on really well and

458
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: it was always easy on set. So I think that

459
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: was probably a little bit of just normal Paul enjoy

460
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: communication just bleeding into that scene. But it just was

461
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: I just could not really believe that Hayley would go

462
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: to Dan first, maybe Karen, maybe Deb maybe her own

463
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: mom like my own mom, and dad. Uh Lucas he

464
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: just seems like the last person that she would go

465
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: to a to confide in, be to give information to, uh,

466
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: and then see to receive advice from. All three of

467
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: those things are just very I just I don't I

468
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: don't believe it. I don't buy it. I mean, I

469
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: guess the line of thinking is of Nathan was following

470
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: Dan's trajectory. The only other person on the planet that

471
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: could know what Nathan's thinking is the other guy that

472
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: you know had a dream. I dreamed a dream. Um yeah,

473
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe in that case then I wish I

474
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: had played it differently. And um, who knows. Maybe I

475
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: was feeling stubborn on that day and I just was like, no,

476
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: I really want to sit down and be sincere, and um,

477
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: maybe I should have done it more like from the

478
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: door and been like hesitant and I wish I wasn't here.

479
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: There's no reason for me to be here, but I

480
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: have to do this and you need to know, and

481
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, could have kept it a little bit more that.

482
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: But then again there's the hormones as a pregnancy hormones,

483
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: so that kind of writes everything. You can have free

484
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: pass free hall pass on pregnancy hormones for like everything,

485
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: you set Dan up for tenderness, which is because if

486
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: we look at all of Dan's lines in that episode

487
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: or in that scene, he's got that line where you're like,

488
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant and he says that seems to be going

489
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: around and he says in a really loving way, but

490
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: he could have said it really Assi if he wanted to.

491
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: You know, like, you set him up for tender choices. Yeah,

492
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 1: well it's interesting to see Dan like processing all this

493
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: and the way that he approached Nathan on the basketball

494
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: court afterward, which yeah, also again could have been done

495
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: and delivered in a way that was very mustache twisty

496
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: villain and instead it was very real, solid advice, I

497
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: mean loving advice. Yeah, he was right, he was, I know,

498
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: what does Haley want to study? That she can only

499
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: go to Stanford. That's what I was thinking, Like, what's

500
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: the big deal, Yeah, she could very easily go to Duke.

501
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: But I think, look, I think part of it is

502
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: about what our dreams are. And it's what Dan says

503
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: to Nathan. You've loved Haley for a year, You've loved

504
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: basketball your whole life. We we have these dreams, these

505
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: things that were obsessed with as young people, and then

506
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: your plans change and you realize, oh, this is still great.

507
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: But when you're so young and your your plans haven't

508
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: had much cause to change, I think the idea of

509
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, the pennant you've had on your wall since

510
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: you were little is probably really really meaningful to you,

511
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: even though at this at this stage in life, you know,

512
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: now we're all the age that Dan Scott was and

513
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: we look back and go, it doesn't no matter where

514
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: you go to college, how dub But at seventeen, it's

515
00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: like it's everything. Have you ever dated someone that was

516
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: like I need you to give up the super huge opportunity,

517
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: like you're going to pick me over this big opportunity? Yes?

518
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: And did those work out? No? Not? The relationship and

519
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: then the missed opportunity. Yeah, you know, it's like I think,

520
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: so there's a distinction that feels important between what Nathan says,

521
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: which is, this is a decision will make as a family,

522
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: this we will choose our path based on what's good

523
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: for the three of us. There's that, and then there

524
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: is the thing that I see us all smirking about,

525
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: which is being young and especially being young women who

526
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: are succeeding and being in relationships with men whose masculinity

527
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: is very threatened by female success, who then look at you.

528
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: We've had someone or someone's look at each of us

529
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: and say you need to be a little smaller so

530
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: I can be big. And that is like, that's just

531
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: like pouring napalm on the whole neighborhood. It's like goodbye,

532
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: light it up, like we're done, We're done here. That

533
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: is when someone just wants you to be small so

534
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: they can feel big. It's very different than being in

535
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: a healthy partnership, where where as a team you say, okay,

536
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: we have to figure out what's doable for us. It's

537
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: hard to tell though, when especially when you're young. I

538
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: mean yeah, even at our age, it can sometimes be

539
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: hard to tell. But you know, we have the advantage

540
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: of life experience, because when you're that young, it's like, oh, well,

541
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, you should be able

542
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: to have space for you and so yeah, I don't

543
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: want to take up all the space. Like let's you

544
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: you think that you're actually maybe doing something so much? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

545
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: and no, like okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna make sacrifice.

546
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: That's what a relationship is about. You have to make

547
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: sacrifices for each other, and you do so it's like

548
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: there's always this element of truth. Yes, in relationships, you

549
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: need to make sacrifices for each other, but it's within

550
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: the context of making decisions together, rather than someone saying

551
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: I I can't handle your essence, like everything about you,

552
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: your dreams, your your fullness. I can't handle that. You

553
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: have to be smaller. Yeah. What I think is really

554
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: interesting is learning learning that it's a sliding scale, Like

555
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: there there is a window of healthy compromise and willingness

556
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: to listen, but there's a lot on either side of

557
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: that scale. And I think when you're younger, it can

558
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: be easier to martyr yourself or shrink yourself or dim

559
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: your own light and say well of course I can

560
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: do this for you, and yes, I can prove to

561
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: you that I love you so much because I'm willing

562
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: to miss out on fill in the blank. And it

563
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: is to your point, Joy that life experience you get

564
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: as you get older, where it's much easier to know

565
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: the difference between someone who's insecure. Yes, and and you

566
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: know they say, for example, marriage or relationships their work,

567
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: and all of us are at the stage where we go, Yeah,

568
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: their work, but they shouldn't be torture. And when you're young,

569
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: when you're younger, sometimes you think that the suffering, like

570
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: this must be the work that everybody says it takes,

571
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: and you're just you're in the wrong scale. It's a

572
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: hard no on the suffering and the torture for me

573
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: by the work is more like who's picking up Thai

574
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: food tonight? You know, like which one of us is

575
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: going to take that turn? Um, Joy, you made a

576
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: comment during the press conference. You're like, why is it

577
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Hailey there? Like, yeah, in hindsight, what do you think

578
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: Hayley should have done? Given that, Like Nathan, this child

579
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: clearly has PTSD. His mom's got off the rails. This

580
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: child has not had a win in a long time,

581
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: like as his partner, what would you have done? Absolutely

582
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: would have shown up me now like my age. Now

583
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: you just put the problem on the shelf and know

584
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna coming back to it, and you show up

585
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: with bells on. But you know she's again like six

586
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. I don't know. I guess she was feeling

587
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: sorry for herself. They had a big fight, and that's

588
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: something that happens a lot in relationships, when you have

589
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: a fight and then you think, oh, he doesn't want

590
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: me there. He actually basically told me stay home, like,

591
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: don't be a part of this. Even though those words

592
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: weren't said, you interpret those feelings and um, you know,

593
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: people misunderstand each other all the time and then feel

594
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: like then again they're just missing each other. Yeah, I

595
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: do wish. I don't know. Do you think she should

596
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: have stayed home? Did you? Did you like that when

597
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: he came home? Like the Haley I think of would

598
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: have had a cake that said like the baby and

599
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: I are proud of you. You know, I would have

600
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: done something to be creative and make it like fun

601
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: and so to see her just so like I don't know, Yeah,

602
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: she was kind of MOPy. Yeah. But in the same

603
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: way that I can understand Nathan's reaction, I can also

604
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: understand that for Haley, because yes, she's been keeping this

605
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: secret for I don't know, six weeks or whatever. But

606
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: that is six weeks of waiting for the reaction that

607
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: you're hoping is coming, and then you don't get it.

608
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's your fault because you're the one who

609
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: kept the secret, but it doesn't matter. It's like, that's

610
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: six weeks of a build up and you're a little heartbroken.

611
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: And and I think that's why I enjoyed these scenes

612
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: with the two of you so much, because I felt

613
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: for you both so clearly. I understood exactly where each

614
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: of you was coming from. And Haley had to go

615
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: lick her wounds, regardless of the fact that they're kind

616
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: of self inflicted. It doesn't matter. Like he he really

617
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: didn't give her the thing she'd been hoping for, and

618
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: he was justified and not being excited because he felt

619
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: betrayed and and oh god, it's like such an uncomfortable

620
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: stand still. Yeah, totally, you know. I wish that scene

621
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: would have gone. I'm rewriting this scene. Okay, Okay. My

622
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: favorite things that we do. Yeah, pretend it happened this way. So, okay,

623
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: Nathan's where did he do? You got a phone call

624
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: or you got an email? It was like a phone call. Okay,

625
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: So Nathan's from Coach K. And then meanwhile we cut

626
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: to Haley Coach K. Haley's in the bathroom and she's

627
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: like psiking herself up to tell him, and she's like

628
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: getting ready to tell him, and then he's on the phone,

629
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: he's got his call. And then she's like, okay, I'm

630
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna go do it, and maybe she's on her phone.

631
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm gonna tell him now, okay, and then

632
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: they both walk out in the hallway and they're like,

633
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I have something to tell you, and it's like, okay,

634
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: let's let's both say it at the same time. They're

635
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: both really excited and they say at the exact same time,

636
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: and then they both just like, Oh, that's so much

637
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: better that would have been from now on. That's how

638
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: I remember that scene happening. Yeah, I'm like Hayley being

639
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: in the bathroom on the phone with Brook being like,

640
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it today and she's like, you

641
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: better do it today, Hayley. Today, you tell everybody today.

642
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Like I remember when Jeffrey and I found out that

643
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: we were pregnant with Gus, Like we were like, oh

644
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: oh man, wow, there's a lot of wow. And then

645
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: and then we walked like eight miles like we were

646
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, and we just walked all the way from

647
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: downtown all the way to uptown and didn't really talk,

648
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: but it was just every once in a while we

649
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: just like stop at a at a light and be

650
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: like wow, wow, Like that's the reaction that I see

651
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: these kids having because it's like I don't even have

652
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: the language take this. Wow. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, sometimes

653
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: you just got to let the silence take over, but

654
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: instead you know. But but what I love about your

655
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: idea to joy is that it would have tracked some

656
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: of the humor, yes, of the last couple of episodes,

657
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: because by the way, some of the great humor is

658
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: for Haley and Brooke and their secrets. Yes, and and

659
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: now I finally know where the gift of me going

660
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: thank you comes from. I was like, oh my god,

661
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: it's that cake. Should have come in. Brook should have

662
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: made a cake. They should have she should have been

663
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: at her apartment finishing it up. Like she's got the

664
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: cake covered. Haley pulls the lid off the thing and

665
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: it's the cake that's like, and Brooke is the cake

666
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: just says it isn't me. Congratulations Brook. But it's like

667
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: if if if your scene had happened where you'd been

668
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: on the phone with me and he'd been on the

669
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: phone with the coach and then we've gotten to school,

670
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: and I was like, I get that it didn't go

671
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: the way you wanted it to go, but I don't

672
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: really care. People need to know, like it would have

673
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: tracked the hilarity that you and I had had in

674
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: all of those scenes throughout these first four episodes. I

675
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: loved that jump on the table, just taking it. She

676
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, alright, I'll just like, yeah, I've done it.

677
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: I'm done, I've run out of road. All right, well

678
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about Let's talk about Brook then, because she

679
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: again manipulating a situation getting broken into some other sticky

680
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: It's just it started so on such a high note

681
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: for Broke, Like I laughed when I jumped up on

682
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: that table. I forgot about that, Like God, I I

683
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: loved the physical freedom I had in her comedy to

684
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: be big and she's like re laiming her power, and

685
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: then Rachel puts her on a dating app. You're so Italian,

686
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: talking with your hands, using your arms and talking with

687
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: your hands on that table, a flailing all the time.

688
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: You can't help it. Um. But yeah, the the stuff

689
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: with the Brook and Nick storyline made me so incredibly uncomfortable.

690
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I know we've talked about a lot

691
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: of this, and to echo Hillary's point, we're not trying

692
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: to be the dead horse, but I remember how uncomfortable

693
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: it made me then before you even shot it, or

694
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: once you were shooting at all of it, the scenes,

695
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: shooting the scenes, everything was uncomfortable. And and they the

696
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: writers really liked to do this thing where they sort

697
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: of dressed Brooke and Rachel up as these like promiscuity

698
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: barbies and would send them out pretending to be older

699
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: and like seducing guys. And it just really flashed in

700
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: my brain of the boss that came out like ran

701
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: Skipper and like Barbie and then just like but now

702
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: now because it's now, because it's two would be like

703
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: sex positive Barbie, Yeah, like do you but also, oh god,

704
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: I just didn't like it. It made me really uncomfortable

705
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: and and again, like you know, not having like a

706
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: ton of experience under my belt as a woman, like

707
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: a young woman in my twenties, and playing someone on

708
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: TV who was so sexualized, so I got I got

709
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: treated like I was like some wild child vixen in

710
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: my real life because of Brook and it it made

711
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: me so uncomfortable. Would guys come up to you and

712
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: talk to you in ways that you thought they never

713
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: would if they didn't know your character? Oh? Absolutely. I

714
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: remember one night in a bar in Wilmington's getting physically

715
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: assaulted by uh there were a group of Marines who

716
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: were in from one of the basis, and these two

717
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: guys put their hands up my short and I like

718
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: sweating even thinking about it, and I turned around and

719
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: just like the first one close to me, I smacked

720
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: him across the face and like shoved the other one

721
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: and I just started screaming, no shock. I was immediately

722
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: on a soapbox about how they didn't deserve to wear

723
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: a uniform and every freedom they had ever fought for

724
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: was a fucking lie because they were just creepy and

725
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: and suddenly they're like sorry, sorry, And they tried to

726
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: make all these excuses about like watching Brooke Davis on

727
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the Armed Forces Network and how I was their crut

728
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: crush and I was just like shaking and sweating. And

729
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: when I turned to my right, there was Scottie Saber

730
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, and for our listeners at home, Saber was

731
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: like one of our best boyfriends on our show, and

732
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: uh a guy who worked in a ready department, and

733
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: he was a wrestler, like a literal, actual wrestler, and

734
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: he was just standing in they can't put his arms

735
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: all the way down. He's just like built like a

736
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: brick house. And he was standing there with his giant

737
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: like you know, just read in the face and all

738
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: the veins were pumping out of his neck. And I

739
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: looked at him and he was like, I was really

740
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: impressed watching you and you had it, but just so

741
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: you know, I was ready to rip their heads off

742
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: if they had if they had not apologized, and I

743
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so yes, Like it's tangential, but like

744
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: that was the energy I was met with a lot

745
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: out in the world when our show was on, and

746
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: it was so uncomfortable, and you know, it would even

747
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: be like I don't know, I'd go to like a

748
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: dinner event and depending on who I got sat next to.

749
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: It would run in the tabloids. It's like she's dating

750
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: that and I'm like, I said two words to that person,

751
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: like a thing. I don't know him. Sometimes they were cute.

752
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I was like, can I get his number? And I'm like,

753
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're gonna write the story, at least

754
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: like somebody take me to dinner. Um, that's when you

755
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: send the apology to the age. I am so sorry,

756
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: but I'm very curious if this is a thing. Um.

757
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: So it was just like a weird It was a

758
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: weird time and it was a weird um opinion to

759
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: be met with, To have people really think that, you know,

760
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: I was this girl who would like dress up in

761
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: short skirts and go out and like bang older dudes

762
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: in bars or like in classrooms. It was just not comfortable.

763
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: And the actor who they brought into play Nick Um,

764
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: you know, was polite like it's not even about him.

765
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: It was about the the way these scenes were written

766
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: and what they asked him to do, and like it

767
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: actually made me feel so who good watching how uncomfortable

768
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: that scene made the two of you When you were like, wait,

769
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: this guy's like talking about fantasizing about cheerleaders and he's

770
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: a teacher on a first blind date and like, bloke

771
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: doesn't know that he's a teacher, so he feels like

772
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: he has freedom to ye like, you know, joke about

773
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: that kink. But yeah, it was gross and it and

774
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: it really I think because of what we were all

775
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: going through behind the scenes, it felt even grosser because

776
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: we knew that that was verbatim the fantasy of the

777
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: adult men we worked with. Dude, we do okay in

778
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: terms of like storylines. We just did the Rachel Cooper thing.

779
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: Why are we what are we doing this again? We're

780
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: just lazy constantly doing the high school fantasy with an

781
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: older guys story over and over. And that's what was hard,

782
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: I know, in season, for for me and also for

783
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: Danielle with the Cooper stuff. You know, thank god, Michael

784
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: Truco is the nicest man on the planet Earth. But

785
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: we knew that we were being forced to film re

786
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: enactments of our bosses fantasies and it just felt gross.

787
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, somebody tweeted me um one of our

788
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: Drama Queens fans, and by the way, I love when

789
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: the boys call out men on their shop Marvebo's Yeah,

790
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: there's this sweet sweet man on Twitter, Mark Corrigan, who

791
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: tweeted at us and said, do you guys think they

792
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: made Brooks eighteenth birthday an on screen occasion to make

793
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: sure the audience knew she was eighteen before she started

794
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: sleeping with her teacher. It always felt icky to me

795
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: and like it was too big of a coincidence. Wow, yeah,

796
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure it wasn't. I'm sure, you know,

797
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: because did any of the rest of us have birthdays

798
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: on the show? I never did it, m I only

799
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: had the one. I don't remember any other birthdays. And

800
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: it was a big deal about brook turning eighteen, and

801
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: we had just had the Rachel storyline where you know,

802
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: Cooper's what sleeping with a seventeen year old and he says,

803
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: I Am not going to do this, and she's like, well,

804
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: seventeen is the age of consent and this state It's like, no,

805
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: that's that's like pretty pedophile. And so they keep leaning

806
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: into We're going to tell you why it's quote Okay,

807
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: but this whole thing of like do you still have

808
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: your cheerleading uniform? Like it is so clearly about fantasizing

809
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: about teenage girls, and so the whole thing. I don't know, man,

810
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: It just it like washes this feeling of ickiness over me.

811
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: And it was hard to deal with that on camera

812
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: and then be met with it out in the world

813
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: and feel like I had to be prepared for a

814
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: fight if like all of us went out to play pool.

815
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 1: You know, it was a weird It was a really

816
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: weird time. Well, I have to I have to leave

817
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: and go pick up my son, or not pick him up.

818
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: But Gus, Gus is doing a mock trial of the

819
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: Salem witch trials at school and oh my gosh, what

820
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: are you filming it? That's a video of that. It's

821
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: gonna be the greatest day of my life. Um, I'm dying. However, Sophia,

822
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: I totally feel what you're saying, because the entire reason

823
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: that Peyton had to go to this press conference for Nathan,

824
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: which makes no sense, was just to have an excuse

825
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: for her to be in her cheerleading uniform, because getting

826
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: attacked in your uniform in a little short skirt was

827
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: hotter than getting attacked in what Peyton was wearing earlier

828
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: during the day, which was like like this cole narrative

829
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: about being at the press conference was manufactured just so

830
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: that the attacks would happen in Bloomers. Um, and remember

831
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: that being like a whole conversation like we just have

832
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: to get you in your uniform, And I was like, huh, um,

833
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: so I just made sure I was really sweaty and

834
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: snotty and bloody, like like how gross? Can I make

835
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: my face? Um? Yeah, So I totally feel what you're saying.

836
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: But look, here's the upside. We got Ernest Waddell out

837
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: of this episode we did. I love such a cool artist.

838
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: It would be really great to have Earnest on the show. Um. Yeah,

839
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: we need to get him because I think he's still

840
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: in New York and he went to n y U

841
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: with Greenberg. We need to get Earnest, and we need

842
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: to get Matt Barr because you know, our friends who

843
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: got to come on tour got to hear from him.

844
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: But I do think it would be really special to

845
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: to be able to dissect this with him because he

846
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: is just such a good human. Let's have him for

847
00:49:50,280 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: the prom episode. Alright. I love Trials. Um. So, actually,

848
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: when you were talking, I wanted to ask you because

849
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Speaker 1: there were other teen shows on the air. At the

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Speaker 1: time that we were on and other other girls that

851
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Speaker 1: were also objectified in the same way, um, their characters

852
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Speaker 1: being you know, hyper sexualized and stuff. Did you ever

853
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Speaker 1: talk with any of them? Did you guys ever sort

854
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Speaker 1: of did you ever run into anybody at a party

855
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Speaker 1: or end up having a kind of a similar conversation.

856
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Speaker 1: I mean, no, that was part of what was so weird.

857
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Speaker 1: I think for us was just being in Wilmington's. We

858
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Speaker 1: were so isolated. Yeah, you didn't get a chance to

859
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Speaker 1: talk with the Gossip Girl girls or the See or

860
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Speaker 1: any I didn't watch those shows, so I don't know,

861
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Speaker 1: but I just know that was happening on the air

862
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Speaker 1: and a lot of teen shows. So maybe no, I

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Speaker 1: mean partially, I think because we were just so rarely

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Speaker 1: at things together, you know. I was like all the summer, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the summer after I made John Tucker Must Die,

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Speaker 1: I did. I did that movie with Penn Badgeley, you

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Speaker 1: know who was on Gossip and God Pen is just

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Speaker 1: the sweetest, sweetest human and at the time, Uh, I

869
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Speaker 1: don't remember when we made the movie or after. I

870
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Speaker 1: don't obviously know the dates of their relationship, but you know,

871
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: him and Blake dated for a long time. They fell

872
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Speaker 1: in love on that show, and they were a very

873
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Speaker 1: sweet couple. And you know, like I ran into them

874
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Speaker 1: at the Teen Choice Awards and it was like, Hi,

875
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Speaker 1: how are you and whatever. But you know, you see

876
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: someone in passing it an award show, it's not like

877
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: look at the convers at a table you've been drinking. Yeah,

878
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: you want to have like an experience to bond and

879
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Speaker 1: and get into something. And I think because we spent

880
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: nine years so far away, occasionally they would make it

881
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: work so you could get home to present it the whatever,

882
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: but then you'd come right back. So we we didn't

883
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Speaker 1: have sounding boards aside from each other. And I will say,

884
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Speaker 1: you know, in this era, Danielle was back and forth

885
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: because she was recurring, so she would come in for

886
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Speaker 1: scenes and and go home to l A. And you know,

887
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Speaker 1: you had just gotten married and you were like busy

888
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: having this lovely moment. And so what what was really

889
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: helpful for me was in my friendships with like you know,

890
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Speaker 1: Jane Beck and Lee Norris and sweet Scotty Saber and

891
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: even James, Like we would all go out together and

892
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: they they were some of the ones who really would

893
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: call call out the way I would get approached. And

894
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: when when you look at like when someone says some

895
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Speaker 1: of you and you turn your head and you've got Lee,

896
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: James and Scotty looking at you, going they shouldn't talk

897
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: to you like that, and you go, oh ship, because

898
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in this moment where I'm thinking, you know,

899
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Speaker 1: these people, yeah, maybe they said something inappropriate, or maybe

900
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: the exchange was weird, but their fans and my job

901
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: is to be nice to them. It was really having

902
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: the boys begin advocating saying absolutely not where where it

903
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: helped to undo that girl culture of I'm supposed to

904
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: be nice and sweet no matter what, and that that

905
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: is something I will really always cherish. And and I

906
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: know we you know, for you guys at home, we

907
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: probably you're like rolling our eyes out how much we

908
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: talk about how good our boys are, but they really

909
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: really are. And you know, those those three boys, Paul like,

910
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: they were the crew who kind of really helped me

911
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: learn um to clap back at that sort of treatment

912
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: and that it's okay, that it's okay for you to

913
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: stand up for yourself and not just go okay, yeah,

914
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Speaker 1: I guess I'll just I just want to be a

915
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: bigger person. I just want to I don't want to

916
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Speaker 1: make waves. And that, by the way, someone who's going

917
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: to call you a bit for saying please, don't speak

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Speaker 1: to me like that. You don't know me. It's not

919
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: a person whose opinion you need to care about anyway,

920
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: you know. And then we've got lovely people like Mark

921
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Speaker 1: Corrigan on Twitter and we're like, hey, I'm gonna it

922
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: here and this made me so uncomfortable, and you just go,

923
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: thank you. We we really do. We have a good crew.

924
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: That validation that your first instinct is correct and it's

925
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: all right, you don't have to keep tempering yourself. Yeah,

926
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Speaker 1: that you're allowed to have feelings even if they aren't like,

927
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, nice and neat. I think that that's really important,

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Speaker 1: and interestingly kind of brings us back around to the

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Speaker 1: point of the episode, right like that, that I think

930
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: is what Nathan and Haley illustrated the best in this

931
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Speaker 1: episode five is that everybody's got all these feelings and

932
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily neat and clean, but to be able

933
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Speaker 1: to process them together, like that's really what gets you somewhere.

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Speaker 1: That is so true. That's been one of my biggest

935
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Speaker 1: lessons in life. That I'm still learning is that it's

936
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Speaker 1: okay to have messy emotions. It's just it's hard. It's

937
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: hard to I don't And I don't know if it's

938
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Speaker 1: a girl culture. I don't know off it. I don't

939
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Speaker 1: know what it is. I mean, I guess I know

940
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Speaker 1: some guys who live this way too, so maybe it's

941
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Speaker 1: not a gender base. I don't know. But the idea

942
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Speaker 1: that like I want to do everything right, like I don't.

943
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't like the feeling of realizing I did something

944
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: wrong or made a mistake. It's a horrible feeling. It's terrible.

945
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: But well, the recovery from that and the growth those that,

946
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: that's what life is about. That's that's where the interest

947
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: in life is. It's not in the moments where you

948
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: do everything right. It's in all the moments when you

949
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: find you've got egg on your face and you have

950
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: to apologize, and then you grow and you get closer

951
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: to somebody or um, you learn something that makes you

952
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: a better person, so then you have something to pass

953
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: on to another human being later on down the line. Yeah, yeah,

954
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: it's important. And and I think the fear that so

955
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Speaker 1: many of us carry about screwing up Ken in a way.

956
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: If it gets too out of control, it can really

957
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: hinder your ability to learn anything, because if you're constantly

958
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: worried that maybe you're not doing it exactly right, are

959
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: you really present for the lesson? Oh? Yes, I was

960
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: like louder I love when I love when I get

961
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: you to lean back in your office chair. Nailed it.

962
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: I love it. Oh, we love you guys. Um Okay,

963
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: So look, we have a question from Jonathan. He wants

964
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: to know if you could live in any character's house

965
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: from One Tree Hill, whose house would it be. Oh?

966
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: I think I would live in Lucas's house. I love

967
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: that little craftsman cottagy feeling. I love that style of

968
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: a home. I don't need a lot. I need land,

969
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: but I don't need a lot of house. Yeah, oh man,

970
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: I I don't know. It's funny I have such association

971
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: with obviously all of the houses on our show for

972
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: the characters. I think the place I would be the

973
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: most amped to have, you know, speaking of our shared

974
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: love of you know, land and being outdoors, I want

975
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: Rachel's cabin. Oh, good call, Yes, that's the one I want. Okay,

976
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: that's that's a good question, Jonathan. Thank you. We needed

977
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of we need a little bit of happiness. Now.

978
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just thinking about how I would

979
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: redo the cabin. I'm like, let's let's make that stage

980
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: pest board to look at soon I know it. Oh,

981
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: this one's good. Most likely to move back to Wilmington's

982
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: that's sweet. Gosh, who's most like? Well, Lee Norris did

983
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: write yeah Lee, Lee and Andrea moved back to Raleigh. Um, oh, gosh,

984
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: who would want to go back to Wilmington's. Honestly, you

985
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: know who talks about it all the time is Barbara.

986
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she loved her there. Oh yeah, I mean, gosh.

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I think if I were ever

988
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: able to like maintain a summer home like I would love.

989
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: I would love if we had like a place there

990
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: Bill figure eight or something. Oh, it would just be

991
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: so special. But I gotta say, the lack of a

992
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: direct flight makes it a no go for me. I

993
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: totally agree. It's really difficult. It is so hard to

994
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: get there, and you know, my whole family and my

995
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, my my crew is in Los Angeles, and

996
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: the fact that it takes like a nine hour travel day,

997
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, first flight to last flight, not even like

998
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: getting to and from the airport. Oh my god, I know,

999
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: because you have to wait for that layover, and it's

1000
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: Atlanta or Charlotte is the only two places you can

1001
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: go from l A. It's even from Just coming out

1002
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: from Nashville was tough. I was like, man, I just

1003
00:58:52,760 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: wish from like Nashville. This should be God right, Swich

1004
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: would get a lot more business if they did. I know,

1005
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: there's a ton of flyover state people and the landlocked

1006
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: people who would sure love access to that beach. But

1007
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: maybe they like it that way. Who's the big airline there? Now,

1008
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: we should have a chat with them if we could

1009
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: get a direct flight going. Yeah, come on, Delta, come

1010
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: on American, let's go. You call it like the Tree

1011
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: Hill route, let's go. All right. Well, I'm really hoping.

1012
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was just about to say, I hope

1013
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: we get to laugh more in the next episode. But

1014
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, is the next episode prom is it

1015
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: more Derek? Oh no, I don't know either. Episode six

1016
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: it's called where did You Sleep Last Night? Well, where

1017
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: did Derek sleep last night? Because he got up off

1018
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: the law. I know, Well, we're going to get more

1019
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: of Ernest for sure, because he just got introduced, so

1020
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: that'll be fun to get to know him a little

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00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: bit more and then, uh, I don't know, we'll see

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Speaker 1: what kind of surprising things await. Thanks for joining us, everybody,

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