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Speaker 1: What is up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: We are coming to you, And it is twelve thirty

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Speaker 2: five am. We just wrapped up Terry Fonto and Raheem

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Speaker 2: Morris's press conference discussing the first round pick, which was

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Speaker 2: Michael Pennox Junior from Washington.

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Speaker 1: A quarterback. Falcons already have a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins is QB one. You're diving right in.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's no Tarren Walks here, Derrek Rackley's here,

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Speaker 2: I'm Tory mclaney.

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Speaker 1: We're getting right into this team. No sleep over here.

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Speaker 2: But no, I really do want to jump right in

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Speaker 2: because this is a pick that has been met with

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Speaker 2: a lot of disdain.

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Speaker 1: A lot of question marks, a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of anger and frustration to a certain extent from the

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Speaker 2: fan base and just from things that I'm seeing also.

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Speaker 1: Across the league.

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Speaker 2: So for you guys, as you're sitting there and you're

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Speaker 2: watching everything unfold, how do you.

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Speaker 1: Look at this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So it's interesting. So I have a friend of

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Speaker 4: mine that was in Detroit cover the draft on radio,

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Speaker 4: and he texts me and he goes, Atlanta's about to

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Speaker 4: shock the world. And I was like, is that just

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Speaker 4: you like going out on a limb or do you

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Speaker 4: know something that I don't know? And then like sixty

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Speaker 4: seconds later, they picked Michael Pennix and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 4: that's what he was talking about. But it's one that

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Speaker 4: kind of came out of left field because nobody was

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Speaker 4: mocking him to Atlanta because of their free agent signing

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Speaker 4: of Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: At least not in the first round, at least not

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Speaker 2: with number eight overall.

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Speaker 4: Correct, So, you know, and I kind of look at

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Speaker 4: things now, like, of course I played for this organization,

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Speaker 4: it was a long time ago, but as as an

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Speaker 4: analyst and doing it as long as I have, I

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Speaker 4: always just kind of look at things more professionally, like

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Speaker 4: I don't have anything pulling me like from a heartstring

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Speaker 4: or from a perspective that I used to play here,

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Speaker 4: and so oh they have to do this, Like I

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Speaker 4: just kind of call it how I see it now, right.

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Speaker 4: And so my buddy was like, he was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: the people in Atlanta are going to go crazy, and

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Speaker 4: I was like okay, And he was like, and Cousin's

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Speaker 4: got to be upset, and I was like, well, I

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Speaker 4: think he's probably got ninety or one hundred million reasons

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Speaker 4: not to be upset. First of all. Second of all,

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Speaker 4: what this told me with this move, the first thing

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Speaker 4: that I thought about was I thought about the last

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Speaker 4: two years at the quarterback position. And to me, this

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Speaker 4: is Terry Fontinea and Raheem Moore saying quarterback is not

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Speaker 4: going to be an issue for this organization moving forward.

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Speaker 4: And I can respect that because everybody that has any

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Speaker 4: kind of brains about the National Football League is going

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Speaker 4: to tell you you cannot win football games without a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And guess what, you got a chance to win more

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Speaker 4: football games if you have two quarterbacks. Because we know

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Speaker 4: Kirk Cousin's coming off an injury, and we know that

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Speaker 4: crazy things can happen. He could get hurt again, and

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Speaker 4: then you're kind of back to square one or where

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Speaker 4: we were in twenty twenty three. Now. Whether or not

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Speaker 4: Michael Pennix Junior would be ready to contribute and win

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Speaker 4: football games right now, I don't know. But what I

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Speaker 4: do know is that he's got a chance to sit

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Speaker 4: a guy that's probably one of the most smart, cerebral

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Speaker 4: Right now, Yes, I'm not gonna put him in the

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Speaker 4: same conversation as a Patrick Mahomes because of what he's done,

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Speaker 4: or even the Tom Brady's of the world. But kirk

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Speaker 4: cousins resume speaks for itself and for Michael Pennix to

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Speaker 4: be able to sit in the quarterback meeting room and

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Speaker 4: to listen how Kirk Cousins looks at the defense, what

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Speaker 4: triggers him to throw a slant route versus a fade

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Speaker 4: route versus sliding this ball in between a corner and

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Speaker 4: a safety is going to be invaluable for that young man,

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Speaker 4: even though he's done it on the college level. As

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Speaker 4: we all know, this thing step up to another level

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Speaker 4: in National Football League. Windows get tighter, everybody's fast, everybody anticipates,

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Speaker 4: and defensive backs in the NFL are so smart they're

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Speaker 4: Bates did last year on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: So the fact that Michael Pennis can learn from a

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Speaker 4: for the next few years. I think it's a good move.

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Speaker 4: I really do.

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Speaker 5: My ears perked up when you said Mahomes, because I

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Speaker 5: think something that stood out to me in your story

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Speaker 5: toy that rhymed was that Penix was the first player

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Speaker 5: since Patrick to have four thousand passing yards and back

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Speaker 5: to back seasons in college. Not that that necessarily means

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Speaker 5: one thing is going to lead to another, but like

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Speaker 5: that just goes to show he has the ability to

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Speaker 5: put up those numbers. Again, college is different than NFL,

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Speaker 5: like you said, but still impressive. I also would like

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Speaker 5: to go back to my seven round mock draft. I

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Speaker 5: to the Falcons, so like a little later, but still

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Speaker 5: I do like the idea of having somebody who's going

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Speaker 5: to learn and grow under Kirk. And like Raw and

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Speaker 5: Terry both said in the press conference, it's the Green

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Speaker 5: Bay way. You saw it work with Jordan Love and

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Speaker 5: out sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But it's at

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Speaker 5: least giving it a shot because you're setting yourself up

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Speaker 5: for long term. Everyone said, and even the Falcons brass

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Speaker 5: said when they signed Kirk Cousins, this is win now mode.

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Speaker 3: What about later?

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Speaker 5: Do you want to just keep repeating the four year cycle, rinse, repeat,

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Speaker 5: shuffle around and sign someone new. No, this is like

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Speaker 5: a long term thing. And I think even back to

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Speaker 5: Arthur's in one sentence was hard, but they wanted to

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Speaker 5: be in win now mode and that's what they did

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Speaker 5: with Kirk. But bringing in Raheem Morris also kind of

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Speaker 5: that's where the Michael pennockx Junior situation comes in.

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Speaker 3: It's like they're checking both boxes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and something we're tiptoeing around is saying the word

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Speaker 2: secession plan. And why I think that there probably is

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Speaker 2: this tiptoeing to a certain extent, is because Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 2: hasn't played the first snap for the Atlanta Falcons, and

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Speaker 2: we're already talking about three, four or five years down

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Speaker 2: difficult to come to terms with. But I have to

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Speaker 2: that's okay. I just can't help but imagine if you're

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Speaker 2: Terry font know, if you're Arthur Blank, and you're sitting

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Speaker 2: the end of Matt Ryan's career. Now we know he

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Speaker 2: one with Atlanta, one with Indianapolis, and he's since retired,

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Speaker 2: and we did all this fun retirement stuff with him,

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Speaker 2: and I think really sent him off into retirement the

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Speaker 2: right way. But something that Matt Ryan never had and

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Speaker 2: an heir apparent for Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 1: And I think.

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Speaker 2: Because of that situation, it has put the light. It's

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Speaker 2: really shined a really really stark light on the quarterback position,

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Speaker 2: even though they went out and got Kirk Cousins and

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Speaker 2: at it and it's like, look what happened when you

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Speaker 2: place for Matt Ryan. You go out and we obviously

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Speaker 3: That again.

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Speaker 2: A couple days later, Matt Ryan gets traded to the Colts.

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Speaker 2: A couple days after that, Marcus Mariota is now the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: A couple months after that, Desmond Ritter is drafted Marcus Mariota.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest, it didn't work out. Desmond Ridder, Let's

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Speaker 2: be honest, it didn't work out. You can appreciate them

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Speaker 1: And now you have Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: Now you have someone in the building long term and

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Speaker 2: I use long term and relative sense because I feel

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Speaker 2: like long term in NFL terms is.

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Speaker 1: Actually short term in like life terms.

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Speaker 2: But long term with Kirk Cousins. They didn't want to

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Speaker 1: A bad decision, but it didn't work. It didn't work, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It didn't work. But it also set him up to

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Speaker 4: where they are right now, because you got to remember

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Speaker 4: they talked about it in the press conference tonight about

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Speaker 4: this being a business decision and it doesn't always make

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Speaker 4: probably not very happy, which guess what I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 3: He has every right to be right to be number one.

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Speaker 4: And number two. You might actually get more out of

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Speaker 4: you drafted to do it in the first round. Are

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Speaker 4: And maybe Kirk Cusins, Yeah, maybe kirk Cousins goes out

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Speaker 4: wasn't right y'all. They had to They had to get

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Speaker 4: they could go out and get a Kirk Cousins, and

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Speaker 4: then they did feel comfortable drafting another quarterback in the

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Speaker 4: The problem is the last two years didn't get you

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Speaker 4: into the postseason, and everybody in the NFL is here

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Speaker 4: to get into the postseason.

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Speaker 2: To that and to that point too, Raheem Morris and

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Speaker 2: Terry font said multiple times, we don't believe that we're

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Speaker 2: going to be in the position to get a top

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Speaker 2: level quarterback in the first round like we are right now.

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Speaker 2: When we have Michael Pennock and you're staring us in

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Speaker 2: the face at number eight, we weren't willing to pass.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you, guys' question, did you like

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Speaker 4: that comment?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It was a clever way to phrase it.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, I think it absolutely aligns with what

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Speaker 2: Terry Fontnau and Raheem Morris want to portray outwardly. I

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Speaker 2: think that they very very much are too, very confident individuals,

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Speaker 2: and they've been talking a lot in this off season

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Speaker 2: they've they've used the word aggressive mindset over and over

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Speaker 4: Because because here's here's what they're saying. They're saying, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they had that postseason run, and so

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Speaker 1: Wow? That was very country? How do how do y'all

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Speaker 2: This is the same guy that had four season ending injuries,

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Speaker 3: Albeit medically disqualified.

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Speaker 5: There's still even other courses this hypothetical could take. Kurt

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Speaker 3: Make it okay.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great note to end on.

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Speaker 2: We have a very long weekend ahead of us, and

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Speaker 1: So thank you guys for joining me. Guys, make sure

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Speaker 2: and I know the Audible is going to be coming

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Speaker 4: Lot of material to talk about this weekend. Yeah, so yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's more, Yeah, lots more, lot and more, a

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