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Speaker 1: Here that folks, it is Sunday, January twenty fifth, hopping

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Speaker 1: on now to give you the latest developments, and there

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Speaker 1: have been plenty out of Minneapolis today. With that, welcome

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Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. A lot

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Speaker 1: of developing news out of Minneapolis helped me here. Was

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Speaker 1: there any of it that was positive that came out

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Speaker 2: No? No, In fact, I see both sides digging in.

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Speaker 2: As we're starting to learn more about the thirty seven

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Speaker 2: year old man who was killed by ice agents. We're

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Speaker 2: hearing a narrative from his family and his friends and

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Speaker 2: his coworkers, and then we're hearing from the Department of

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Speaker 2: Homeland Security using very incendiary language.

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Speaker 3: To describe a man that is described.

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Speaker 2: Completely differently, in fact, the opposite way when you talk

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Speaker 2: to people who him, or you talk about the narrative

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Speaker 2: that the government is giving.

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Speaker 1: And so here are your headlines today. First of all, yes,

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Speaker 1: there are more videos, more angles that have come out,

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Speaker 1: but the interpretation of that video continues to be split

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Speaker 1: for the most part. Along you could argue party lines

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Speaker 1: between the administration and between some of the Minnesota leaders,

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Speaker 1: but your eyes are not lying to your folks, So

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Speaker 1: we'll get into the back and forth. That's a big

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Speaker 1: headline today. There is a judge's order that is now

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Speaker 1: playing a role in what's happening in Minneapolis. Also, we

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Speaker 1: are getting more details about the man who has killed Alex.

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Speaker 1: Pretty also in the mix today, the possibility of a

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Speaker 1: government shut down being in the mix now because of yes,

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing in Minneapolis. Also as we speak, as

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Speaker 1: we are coming on right now as of this recording,

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Speaker 1: there's a pretty significant gathering a protest forming in Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: right now. I guess we should start. We're starting to

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Speaker 1: get more details about Alex Pretdi, the thirty seven year old,

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Speaker 1: and hearing from his family as well, but just getting

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Speaker 1: more details about him in his life.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: We know that he was a thirty seven year old

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Speaker 2: ICU nurse. He was born in Illinois, but he was

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Speaker 2: raised in Green Bay. He's a University of Minnesota graduate,

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Speaker 2: and he had no criminal record. We mentioned this before

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Speaker 2: we knew that he did have a license to carry.

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Speaker 2: His family did confirm that he did own a gun.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we're hearing his father talk about how much

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Speaker 2: he cared about people deeply he cared about what was

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Speaker 2: happening in Minneapolis, and he wanted to do his part

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Speaker 2: by protesting. But he and I feel this from his parents' perspective.

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Speaker 2: They said that politicians were telling sickening lies about their son,

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Speaker 2: and they begged members of the media to please get

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Speaker 2: the truth out about our son. He was a good man.

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Speaker 2: That's heartbreaking to hear.

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Speaker 1: And yes, the world is very similar to George Fla,

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Speaker 1: who died a mile away from where this man has dying,

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Speaker 1: where the whole world watched someone be executed, and we're

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Speaker 1: trying to understand why and trying to understand that moment.

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Speaker 1: So as we're learning more and more about Alex Pretty,

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Speaker 1: we are hearing the Department of Homeland Security characterize Alex

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Speaker 1: Pretty as a domestic terrorist, as someone who was there

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Speaker 1: to do harm to officers. So let's go back and

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Speaker 1: forth with that for just a moment. Robes Department of

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security, ICE Border Patrol Christino sticking to a story

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they actually went so far as to say

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Speaker 3: Old Pretty wanted to massacre law enforcement. They say that

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Speaker 2: Them with his nine millimeter gun and resisted violently when

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Speaker 2: you look at the video, he approached the officers in

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Speaker 2: That was never anything we ever saw.

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Speaker 3: In a video.

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Speaker 1: So Christynome continued as well, again, the head of the

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Speaker 1: Border patrol was his name again, Rose the guy you've seen.

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Speaker 1: You've seen his face a lot out there, folks, but

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Speaker 1: Christy Nome continued as well. She continues, we've heard her

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Speaker 1: She went on to say that Governor Walls and Mayor

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Speaker 1: and they need to evaluate their rhetoric, their conversations, their

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Speaker 1: I think it was officially from Homeland Security. They talked

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Speaker 2: They're sticking to this story, yes, and they are using

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Speaker 2: words like massacre, domestic as you mentioned, domestic terrorists just

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Speaker 2: wanting to inflict maximum damage. I know any of you listening,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen the original video, the other angles

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Speaker 2: Christy Nome, even President Trump. And then you take those

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Speaker 3: Those are two different things.

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Speaker 2: What I'm hearing them say and what I'm seeing with

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Speaker 2: my own two eyes.

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Speaker 3: It's a as a as.

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Speaker 2: An American citizen, it's hard to get my head around

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Speaker 2: the fact that I can't make what my government is

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Speaker 2: telling me fit with what I am seeing with my

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Speaker 1: Because you're a decent person and you want to make

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Speaker 1: it fit because you want to believe your government they

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Speaker 1: are wrong. Now I don't know their intentions. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they are. And some will flat out say,

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Speaker 1: of course they're lying. Of course this is intentional. Of

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Speaker 1: course they're trying to weave a narrative. Okay, fine, What

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying is I'm not talking about their intentions.

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Speaker 1: What they're saying is wrong. To say that this man

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Speaker 1: is wrong. We have all seen it. He approached with

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Speaker 1: his camera, period, point blank. They have seen that. So

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Speaker 1: to say something otherwise, I don't know why they're saying it.

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Speaker 1: So it's not about motivation. But everybody listening, Americans, it's

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Speaker 1: okay to believe your eyes and to say these people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's where we are. But then

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Speaker 2: the implications that that are so significant. Look, even the

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Speaker 2: flat out say that an agent had already removed Alex

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Speaker 2: Pretdi's gun when the two other agents opened fire. They

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Speaker 2: shots were fired. And so that is damn it, And

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Speaker 2: that flies in the face of what our federal government

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Speaker 1: Look, I've seen that video they're talking about, and you

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Speaker 1: do see one agent clearly walk away from the scrum

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Speaker 1: caring what appears to be that weapon that we talked about.

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Speaker 1: There is no point that I see and I didn't

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Speaker 1: show and zoom in. There's no point you see him

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Speaker 1: brandishit weapon. You just do not. There's even one point

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Speaker 3: Outstretched because they've taken his phone from him.

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Speaker 1: His arms are outstretched and his hands are up and

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Speaker 1: he was Yeah, at that point, he wasn't being aggressive

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Speaker 1: ICE agent. These are just not facts that you need

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Speaker 1: to be told. These are just things you see from

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Speaker 1: the video. It's okay to believe your own eyes, and

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Speaker 1: we're being told to believe something else. That's just it's

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Speaker 1: not okay. And I don't know how what we do now, Rose,

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Speaker 1: because cash Bettel has done this at least twice now

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Speaker 1: in very high profile cases. Sending out information is wrong,

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Speaker 1: and now you have the Homeland Security on more than

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Speaker 1: one occasion now giving information that my eyes, I'm not

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Speaker 1: challenging in their narrative with my own. I am looking

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Speaker 1: it's okay, I know better.

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Speaker 2: But then what can you believe coming from our federal government.

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Speaker 3: There's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Yes, nothing, Thank god for cameras everywhere. There are at

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Speaker 1: least four angles of this thing or hopes.

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Speaker 2: I mean to your point, before we had cell phone cameras.

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Speaker 2: Before we all had cameras with us to record and

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Speaker 2: this would be if we didn't have access to technology

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Speaker 2: social media, President Trump going crazy on truth soul true.

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Speaker 2: You said that his his posts are getting longer, which

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's past several and then we look at them

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Speaker 1: It's almost like he's following the narrative versus everybody's following

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Speaker 1: his narrative. Because he picked up right where Christine Home

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a picture, that picture of the gun, correct,

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Speaker 2: He said, this is the gunman's gun loaded with two

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Speaker 2: additional full magazines and ready to go. What is that

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Speaker 2: all about? Where are the local police? Why weren't they

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Speaker 2: allowed to protect ICE officers? The mayor and the governor

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Speaker 2: Why does ilhan Omar have thirty four million dollars in

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Speaker 2: her account? And where are the tens of billions of

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Speaker 2: dollars that have been stolen from the once great state

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota. We are there because of massive monetary fraud,

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Speaker 2: with billions of dollars missing and illegal criminals that were

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Speaker 2: We want the money back, We want it back now.

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Speaker 2: Those fraudsters who stole the money are going to jail.

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Speaker 2: Where they belong. This is no different than a really

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Speaker 2: big bank robbery. Much of what you're witnessing is a

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Speaker 2: cover up for this theft and fraud. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: the mayor and the governor are inciting insurrection with their pompous, dangerous,

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Speaker 3: You know, this is just tough.

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Speaker 2: We talked about bringing the temperature down, We talked about,

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Speaker 2: you know, how we where we go from here, and

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Speaker 2: this is just going from bad to worse to catastrophic.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard a I don't know if I've heard

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Speaker 1: an adult yet as someone who has. I guess the

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Speaker 1: folks that we need or in those positions that will

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Speaker 1: listen to are right now have different interests and they're

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Speaker 1: they're angry as well. But there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: that's kind of calming things, that's reasonable right now, that

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Speaker 1: picture is the news. Jesus Christ. Yes, we've been a

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Speaker 1: part of this industry, but they love showing, and that's

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Speaker 1: not the majority of how folks are behaving in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: but that's you really do think there is an insurrection

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Speaker 1: any voice coming through? And I haven't necessarily heard one

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Speaker 1: yet in this case. But Trump wasn't done talking that

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Speaker 1: long tweet. That's not the only message he put out

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Speaker 1: on social media having to do with Minnesota. And we'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what the other one was, and also we'll

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Speaker 1: let you know why we need to be concerned about

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Speaker 1: another government shut down. Stay here, all right, folks, We

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Speaker 1: continue here late late afternoon, this early evening. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure yet, but right now we are coming on because

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Speaker 1: there have been several updates, significant updates out of Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: and as we speak right now, I saw a few

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Speaker 1: pictures ropes. It looks like it was growing, but it

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Speaker 1: looked like it was still decent order. The live picture

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Speaker 1: I saw out of Minneapolis as we are speaking now

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Speaker 1: protests have been happening, and they're gathering. Looks like another

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Speaker 1: significant one as of this recording, is gathering there.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: They said that there were potentially as many as a

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Speaker 2: thousand people. And again, we know what the weather's like

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Speaker 2: here in New York City. It is bitter, it is cold,

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Speaker 2: it is tough. But they said there were at least

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Speaker 2: a thousand people who have come to protest the killing

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Speaker 2: now of Alex pretty in addition to obviously this is

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Speaker 2: now the third killing that has happened in what has

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Speaker 2: it been a little over three weeks since ice agents

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Speaker 2: descended upon Minneapolis Saint Paul, Maybe a little over three weeks,

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Speaker 2: But to have three deaths in three weeks is.

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Speaker 3: Just hard to imagine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we were talking about how bad it could get,

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Speaker 2: how tough it might be, but to have almost obviously

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Speaker 2: slightly different versions, but the same incident repeated and then

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Speaker 2: caught on camera.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna happen again. This is this is gonna happen again.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, well, no, obviously, nobody knows what the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do. How do you have that conversation,

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Speaker 1: the conversation you would have with your child going out

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Speaker 1: to protest, who has a license to carry? What would

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Speaker 1: you tell your child? You tell them levy gun at home,

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Speaker 1: don't go out there messing around with ice agents. Don't provoke,

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Speaker 1: That's what you would tell them. And so the idea

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Speaker 1: you would never and you should never say out loud

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Speaker 1: got himself killed. Obviously you shouldn't say that this man

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Speaker 1: should not be dead. This is a very very difficult case.

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Speaker 1: Herobes of we have how many videos, five plus and

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Speaker 1: different angles. We have seen them, we have slowed them down,

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Speaker 1: we have analyzed them, and everybody still disagrees about what

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Speaker 1: they're seeing. So how the hell were six agents supposed

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Speaker 1: to make the right call in a split second. That's

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Speaker 1: just difficult on all sides, and it might be good

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Speaker 1: people on all sides, but there is a scenario there

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Speaker 1: was something they had no control over that brought them

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Speaker 1: all to that place together, and maybe that's where we

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Speaker 3: I just don't even have words.

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Speaker 2: It's it's because it's it feels so defeating to see

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Speaker 2: what's happened and how we've gotten even worse than we were. Like,

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Speaker 2: things haven't gotten better, they've gotten worse. People have gotten angrier,

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Speaker 2: they've become more divided, they feel more justified in their

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Speaker 2: It's just it's awful, and look, now it's potentially going

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Speaker 2: to lead to this government shutdown. Chuck Schumer is already

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Speaker 2: saying he's got a plan because remember all of that

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Speaker 2: hubbub this fall about the government shutting down and then

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Speaker 2: how long the longest shutdown in history.

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Speaker 3: Federal workers weren't paid, people weren't able.

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Speaker 2: To fly, We had all I mean this, everyone was affected,

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Speaker 2: some worse than others. But yeah, we're looking at that again.

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Speaker 2: January thirtieth, five days from now. In five days, we

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Speaker 1: So a deal hasn't necessarily been struck, but we didn't

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Speaker 1: think we were going to have a shutdown necessarily, but

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Speaker 1: now the chances of that has have gone up because

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer is saying that Democrats will not give the

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Speaker 3: And I believe that they will do it this time.

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Speaker 1: That they believe they have people on their sides, based

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Speaker 1: on what folks have been seeing in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Correct, there has been enough anger and enough outrage and

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Speaker 2: enough you know, what can we do? This feeling of powerlessness?

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Speaker 2: This is a moment where if Democrats can get the

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Speaker 2: support that they need, they can actually find a way

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Speaker 2: to push back. However, it will once again be federal

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Speaker 2: workers and their families who pay the price.

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Speaker 1: They do have things now. They made some things shut

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Speaker 1: down proof since the last one, So there are some

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Speaker 1: essential workers who I think military, I think in my

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Speaker 1: air traffic control lists. They made some exceptions here to

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're looking at another government shut down in

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Speaker 1: a few days, folks. We're going to try to find

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Speaker 1: something a little more upbeat to put on the feed

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Speaker 1: the night. No, I just hate brogue. We I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's look, it's relevant, it's happening. We need to and

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about it. But it was another

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Speaker 1: rough day today in Minneapolis for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: So we always appreciate you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 1: Of course, any updates we will jump on and send

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Speaker 1: them your way. We always appreciate it. I'm T. J.

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Speaker 1: Holmes On behalf of my dear Amy Robot. We will

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Speaker 1: talk to you also