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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samantha and this is Annie. Welcome to Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Mom never told you a production of I Heart Radios

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Speaker 1: How Stuff works? And today we've got an amazing episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Just a bit of a trigger warning,

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Speaker 1: not really big detail, but we do talk about the

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Speaker 1: Me Too movement, specifically talking about comedians in the Me

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Speaker 1: too time frame, Harvey Weinstein, So just to throw that

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Speaker 1: out there. Again. We don't get into anything deep, but

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Speaker 1: we just still like to give you a warning. And

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Speaker 1: today we had the most amazing Chanel Ali come in

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Speaker 1: and speak with us about comedy, women in comedy, black

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Speaker 1: women in comedy, and fighting against injustice with humor. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and she was an absolute delight. I'm really bummed that

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Speaker 1: I missed the show that you went to talk. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So she was a part of the feminist buzz Kills

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Speaker 1: of Comedy, which used to be Lady Parts Justice and

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Speaker 1: it is now called Abortion Access Front, and they tore

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Speaker 1: around the country working with different abortion clinics throughout the

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Speaker 1: country getting their name. Now talk about fundraising, talk about

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Speaker 1: reproductive justice, and it's beautiful and hilarious. This is the

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Speaker 1: second one that I've attended. The first one was at

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Speaker 1: a different location. Caroline of Unladylike is the one that

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Speaker 1: invited me and I love them so much. They're so hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Liz Winstead, who was an icon and herself, she was

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Speaker 1: a co creator of the Daily Show. She's the one

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Speaker 1: that began this organization and make sure to go around

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Speaker 1: and brings into conversation these big issues and I love it.

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Speaker 1: And I met Chanelle at the show from this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I guess that probably was a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 1: when we aired this cor actual episode. Yes, yes, and

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Speaker 1: I was I kind of was like, hey, can we

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Speaker 1: be friends? And it worked? What look at that Samantha

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Speaker 1: I make friends. But she had an amazing show. She

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Speaker 1: had an amazing set. So if you are around anywhere,

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Speaker 1: because she tours a lot essentially, I know she is

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Speaker 1: go check her side out Chanelle Ali and we'll give

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Speaker 1: you some more information and check out her touring because

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Speaker 1: she does some amazing things. She absolutely does. I'm so

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Speaker 1: bummed I missed the show. Samantha has two excellent shirts

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Speaker 1: she got from it. But I'm very glad that she

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Speaker 1: came to the studio. That you succeeded in getting her

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Speaker 1: to come in because she was a delight she is,

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Speaker 1: and so we go ahead and start with the interview.

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Speaker 1: So today we are meeting with someone who I may

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Speaker 1: have stealthily I'm gonna say it stealthily, but it really

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Speaker 1: wasn't hunted down during an abortion access front comedy event.

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Speaker 1: Probably frightened her quite a bit. Alie Hie, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for having me, Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: I did, so. I was telling Annie. I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure she thinks I'm yeah, I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: can we be friends? And he was like, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to watch and support my people. But that happens at

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Speaker 1: comedy shows a lot of times. Like I'll get off

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Speaker 1: stage and someone's very excited to talk to me, and

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Speaker 1: So she's here. Thank you. We did it. We did it,

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Speaker 1: and yes, you were a part of the Atlanta set

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Speaker 1: for feminist buzz kill of Comedy Right, which was created

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Speaker 1: by Abortion Access Front, which was used to be Lady

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Speaker 1: for our list? Hi guys, I'm Shinnali. I'm a stand

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Speaker 1: up comedian and a writer. I live in New York City.

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Speaker 1: I'm originally from Philadelphia. Shout out to anybody they went

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Speaker 1: to Tumble University and it's still trying to pay it off.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing comedy for about seven years. You might

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Speaker 1: last season of that show, which was also the last

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Speaker 1: season of that show. Um. I have a Comedy Central

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Speaker 1: really great production. We shot some incredible stuff backstage, like

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Speaker 1: I love it. And then you said you have an

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Speaker 1: album coming out. Yes, I have an album coming out.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be called Chanel Number one.

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Speaker 1: perfect sense. Yeah, it's in sync. If you're listening, You

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Speaker 1: So it was just a really dope series where comedians

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Speaker 1: communication and taking out the anger, because it's so easy

431
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Speaker 1: to like scream at a man, you're stupid, you're not listening,

432
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: you don't trust women, blah blah blah blah blah. But

433
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Speaker 1: you know you can't just scream feminism at men. And

434
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Speaker 1: I think I have learned that from firsthand just watching

435
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Speaker 1: people try getting on stage and being like, so I'm

436
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Speaker 1: a feminist, and the whole crowd is like, great, this

437
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be light. Sure, you're not gonna have any

438
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Speaker 1: heavy opinions that make me feel bad about what I'm

439
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: doing every day with my life. So I watched a

440
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Speaker 1: lot of mistakes and I was able to kind of

441
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Speaker 1: learn like, okay, so you can't. You can't really break

442
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: down a barrier that way. So um, I think just

443
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Speaker 1: like really being confident and and taking out the anger

444
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: as much as I can has helped me convert a

445
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Speaker 1: lot of men into at least thinking for themselves, and

446
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: women have been calling out a lot of the inequalities

447
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Speaker 1: and comedy, Like a comedy show flyer will come out

448
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 1: and it'll be eight white guys in the same flannel.

449
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Speaker 1: Two to three of them have beards and glasses, and

450
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Speaker 1: that's fine, but the perspectives that they're gonna bring are

451
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna be very similar. And then the comedy becomes this

452
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: one industry where you only give an opportunity to somebody

453
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Speaker 1: that makes you feel comfortable, and you always give an

454
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Speaker 1: opportunity to someone that's like you. I feel the same

455
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Speaker 1: way when I go on the road and I picked

456
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Speaker 1: someone open for me, I'm more often I'm going to

457
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Speaker 1: give it to a black woman than anyone else because

458
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to succeed and I feel like I'm giving

459
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Speaker 1: back to my community. So I feel like other people

460
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Speaker 1: do that, but they don't recognize that they do if

461
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Speaker 1: they don't recognize that comedy is run by white men

462
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Speaker 1: and they own most of the clubs, and so when

463
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Speaker 1: they consistently make that decision, it does become a system.

464
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Speaker 1: And so when you can break it down into terms

465
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Speaker 1: like that and and really talk about the human qualities,

466
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Speaker 1: um it helps you really just get over the barrier

467
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Speaker 1: of I'm not just spouting because I'm a black woman

468
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Speaker 1: and I'm angry, because even though I am, I'm really

469
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Speaker 1: trying to educate you and enlighten you so you can

470
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Speaker 1: see that this is a world that I exist in

471
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Speaker 1: and you exist in differently. So because one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we've been talking about a lot in the

473
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Speaker 1: last year was about anchor and how it can be

474
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Speaker 1: used to fight, because a lot of times we know

475
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Speaker 1: that anger is a sign that something is wrong, and

476
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Speaker 1: so there needs to be whether you take action or

477
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Speaker 1: you just sit and stew in it um And we've

478
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Speaker 1: been talking about what does that look like when we

479
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Speaker 1: actually take action. So as you're talking about in this industry,

480
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Speaker 1: which has been exposed somewhat but obviously kind of fallen

481
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Speaker 1: back because you look at the Louis c k thing,

482
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: and he's fairly forgiven and now kind of still dictates

483
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Speaker 1: what it is to have stand up and being paid

484
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Speaker 1: to do comedy, as well as dictating, oh, you can't

485
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Speaker 1: have your phone in here because I want to say

486
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Speaker 1: the inappropriate things that's going to get me in trouble.

487
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Speaker 1: I don't want to read an article about it so

488
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: right and all of these things when we have that,

489
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Speaker 1: and then just even the Harvey Weinstein when he came

490
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Speaker 1: to the club with all the young actresses and the

491
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Speaker 1: comedian came out and called him out. Yeah, that everybody

492
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Speaker 1: was pissed. I'd like to shout them out. That was

493
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Speaker 1: Kelly Bachman Ambarrallo. Ambarrallo and I have a podcast together. Um,

494
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: she's dope. They're they're both really dope, and they're so

495
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: courageous in that moment. But yeah, that's really so empowering

496
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Speaker 1: to watch women stand up for our spaces. And that's

497
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Speaker 1: something about like the space is thing that I sometimes

498
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: feel like I have to always bridge the gap with

499
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Speaker 1: men and explain. And I'm like, if we have evidence

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Speaker 1: that a person is inappropriate in a certain space, every

501
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 1: woman in that space is now uncomfortable. So when Luisy

502
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Speaker 1: k walks into a comedy club and they throw him

503
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Speaker 1: on a lineup, if a woman is on that lineup

504
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: and she's uncomfortable in that space, now she has to

505
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Speaker 1: leave because the club is not going to say okay, sorry.

506
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: So so now his his privilege is that he continues

507
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 1: to dictate what a spaces and what he can do

508
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Speaker 1: in it, and women just have to deal, especially comedians,

509
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Speaker 1: and when we work in an industry that is is

510
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Speaker 1: literal minutes. Somebody gives me a mic for ten minutes

511
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Speaker 1: and you can work on your craft, and then you

512
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: have to go home. You can't come back and I'll

513
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Speaker 1: give you more minutes. You have to go home and

514
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Speaker 1: wait for another day. It it sets women back in

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Speaker 1: a huge way. I always compare comedy to basketball and

516
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: that if someone was like, I want to be Lebron tomorrow,

517
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Speaker 1: they'd have to practice every single day as much as

518
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Speaker 1: they could. But if they're only going to give you

519
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Speaker 1: a basketball for ten minutes, it's gonna take you a

520
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Speaker 1: lot longer. And men get the basketball a lot, so

521
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: they get that basketball so much exactly. And that's the

522
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: question is how do you hate that anger or take

523
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: that understanding that you have just been denied? Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I handle it the same way

525
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Speaker 1: as everyone else. But I always try to really look

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Speaker 1: at the pros and the cons and try to decide

527
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Speaker 1: what I want to be a part of, what I

528
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Speaker 1: want to put my name on. And I always think

529
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: about the younger me and if she were to watch

530
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Speaker 1: a comedy show and see a display that's not very

531
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: favoring of women, and then watch me also on the

532
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Speaker 1: lineup not address it. What type of implications would I

533
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: push out on her? I would be indirectly teaching her

534
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Speaker 1: that this is okay and that you should just take

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Speaker 1: it and just smile. And I think that's terrible. I

536
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: hate that so much. So to me, I really try

537
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: to evaluate projects very thoroughly. I really stand up for

538
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: myself in corporate rooms and talk about what I'm not

539
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Speaker 1: comfortable with. I even remember one time I auditioned for

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Speaker 1: a film and I really wanted to be in it,

541
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: but there was a line in the character they wanted

542
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Speaker 1: me to play where I basically had to say, like

543
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: who would want to be black? Because it's terrible. So

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Speaker 1: I tried to make it funny, like let's make it lighthearted,

545
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: and the director was like, no, you're sad and you're

546
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Speaker 1: mad that you're black, and I was like, I don't

547
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: think I can do this, you know, And so I

548
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: had to acknowledge, like I'm not going to get this

549
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: part because I'm not capable of even saying that sentence

550
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: and sounding like I'm not forcing it out of my mouth.

551
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm not capable of even portraying that sentiment, And if

552
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: my younger self watched myself say that, it would impact me,

553
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: you know so, I always think about the younger generation.

554
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Speaker 1: I think about how many incredibly talented and funny women

555
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I think there are around the world who never feel

556
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: compelled to try it because there's all these voices telling them, no,

557
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: you're not funny, this is for this, and this is that. So,

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00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: you know too, I always think that there's like an

559
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: orthodontist in Missouri who could have been a comedy great,

560
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: but everybody in her life told her no. I told her, yeah,

561
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: you're silly, you know so I always think about like

562
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: really elevating our voices and calling things out. And I

563
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: picked my battles. I definitely picked my battles. But I

564
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: also have a lot of integrity. And so there have

565
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: been entire clubs, entire venues that I've decided I'm not

566
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna work with you guys anymore because you continually perpetuate

567
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: something that's unhealthy and I don't want to. I don't

568
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to add to it because

569
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I know what I bring to the table, you know,

570
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: So you have to have a lot of pride. You

571
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: have to really hold yourself to a high standard but

572
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: also protect your rise because I need to be on

573
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: a high platform to to make any change. So myself

574
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: as your new best friend, yes, as a supporter who

575
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: is not a comedian, what can I do to help

576
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: elevate that cause as well? Obviously I don't have that

577
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: giant voice. I don't have the comedic timing. It's okay,

578
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: but I want to support this and I want to

579
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: make sure that the women and those who identify who

580
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: their non binary, who are being silenced because these platforms

581
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be uncomfortable or and or don't want

582
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: to root for the underdogs. And essentially, yeah, we are underdogs.

583
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: Um what can I do? I mean, obviously I exist

584
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: in an artist realm, so it really comes down to

585
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: supporting the artists and and that can really come down

586
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: to even just like doing your due diligence and looking

587
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: up on lineup and asking questions, why is there no

588
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: woman on the show? You have eight comedians here, you

589
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: couldn't find one lady? You know? Um? Also I think

590
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: that like we when we think about our favorite television shows,

591
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: a lot of those shows are staffed by room of

592
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: comedians that get together in a room like this and

593
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: they sit down and they write an episode. So look

594
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: up your favorite shows. Look up those writers if they

595
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: are trans women, if they are non binary, follow them

596
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter, follow them on Instagram, support their other projects,

597
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and recognize the parts that they play, like some of

598
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: them will direct an entire episode. You know. Mindy calling

599
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: started out that way a lot, so that individual support

600
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: means so much more. I think it also really comes

601
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: down to, like standing firm on things you're not going

602
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: to support, Like I'm not going to spend a lot

603
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: of money on a ticket to see Louisy K. I'm

604
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: not going to do it, and you should if you

605
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: are really considering that, you should actually put that money elsewhere,

606
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: donated to the amazing organizations that help comedians every day,

607
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: and there are even a lot of like mentorship programs

608
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: that help young women find their voice. So it really

609
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: comes down to deciding what type of artists you want

610
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: to support and recognizing that their message requires your help

611
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: because it's important. Right, we have a little bit more

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00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: for you listeners, but first we have one more quick

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Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank

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Speaker 1: you sponsor. Yeah, so a lot of these questions I've

615
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: already I've been thinking about a lot of them. One

616
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Speaker 1: of the biggest questions for me as a woman of color,

617
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Speaker 1: but as a woman of color with privilege, and I

618
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: acknowledge that I'm as this woman, I get all of that.

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Speaker 1: I have a good job, I've had good support, and

620
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: I acknowledge all that's how do I support those who

621
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: may not have that same advantage as well as if

622
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: my heart is an advocacy, which it always has been,

623
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Speaker 1: which is why I am a social worker. And you

624
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: and I were talking about, you know, kind of pouring

625
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Speaker 1: back out because it's something significant for us. What doesn't

626
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Speaker 1: look like to be a true all I m there's

627
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of levels to that. Yeah, you know,

628
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: but I think really, especially myself, I've learned the last

629
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: year that we should be volunteering more. And it sounds

630
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: especially I'm a comedian, I drink a lot, I work

631
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: at night, I don't sleep. If someone was like, yeah,

632
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times a month, I need

633
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: to go volunteer somewhere, I'd be like, yeah, I don't know, man,

634
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. But um, I will say that in

635
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: everything that we do, Like my medium is comedy, and

636
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: everything that we do, we have these skills that we

637
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: could lend to organizations that are great and that we

638
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: should donate our time to them. So if that's making

639
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: us some dope stickers for a great cause, um, in

640
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: terms of like causes that are very important to me,

641
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm very consistently worried about gun violence, and so I'll volunteer.

642
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: I'll donate to every town. I think they're incredible organization.

643
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: I'll advocate for them, I'll write tweets about them and

644
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: praise any thing to do in the media, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I think also it's it's about recognizing how a

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Speaker 1: lot of the things that we frequent our our microcosms

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Speaker 1: for some of these bigger problems. So even in the

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Speaker 1: person of color is alone in certain instances, or that

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Speaker 1: you know they're left out in certain instances. Just just

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Speaker 1: being comfortable enough to walk up to someone and say

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Speaker 1: I'm here to help is really being an ally or

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Speaker 1: just hey, I recognize what just happened, because sometimes that

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Speaker 1: silence is so deafening when you feel like you're being

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Speaker 1: targeted or treated unfairly and then everyone is averting their eyes.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to do it. I

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Speaker 1: also think that, um, we have to vote. We have

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Speaker 1: to vote, and we have to do it in a

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Speaker 1: way that we're not just thinking about ourselves. And that's

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Speaker 1: really hard because that's not really the way that a

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Speaker 1: lot of candidates speak nowadays. Anyway. They can be very

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Speaker 1: brash and very bold and like people are coming for

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Speaker 1: your guns and people are coming for you, and so

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Speaker 1: you have to vote for you, But that's not really

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Speaker 1: the foundation of the country or really trying to form

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Speaker 1: this more perfect union. If you're really being that patriotic,

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Speaker 1: then you should recognize that there are things that are

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Speaker 1: not directly affecting you, but are affecting other people all

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Speaker 1: the time, and it is your duty, because you have

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Speaker 1: the privilege to not be affected by it, to research

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Speaker 1: it more and to recognize when it happens, and to

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Speaker 1: listen to other people when they tell you about it happening. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I just think that's the first step. And I

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Speaker 1: think you have to really break all of these bigger

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Speaker 1: tasks down into a smaller schedule so you can say that, hey,

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Speaker 1: however many days a month I was able to give

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Speaker 1: to a local clinic. And if it's as simple as

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Speaker 1: just bringing them some donuts, that's support, that's help, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's what's gonna that's what's gonna fuel people to

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Speaker 1: keep doing the work that you may not yourself be

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Speaker 1: able to do. I love it. That's been one of

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Speaker 1: the big messages I think we've been recording in the

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Speaker 1: last Vote, And I'm got to recognize that your voice matters,

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Speaker 1: and and this right matters. And I always think about

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Speaker 1: like the really stupid guy that you knew in high school,

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Speaker 1: like the idiot of idiots, and how he's going to

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Speaker 1: vote every time. He's got nothing else. He's so invested

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Speaker 1: in exercising his right that you have to exercise yours

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Speaker 1: to at least combat it. So if you're ever feeling

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Speaker 1: like I don't know if I want to vote, I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like going out today, think about that idiot.

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Speaker 1: I know that his mom is going to take him

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Speaker 1: to vote. She's going to drive him there, and he'll

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Speaker 1: pick he'll pick the radio station, and that's his life.

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Speaker 1: So don't let him. Because he doesn't have to look

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Speaker 1: for the services that you might need one day. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry about the things that impact your life.

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Speaker 1: So you know you gotta vote. I love it. I

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Speaker 1: love I'm someone who's very spite motivated. What's the idea

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Speaker 1: of like, oh, that high school kid, think about him?

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Speaker 1: That's why, as you wrote, you're like, yes, name him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah Mason, Yeah, I totally did it works at a costco.

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't forget these things stay with they

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Speaker 1: stay with us. Um, So thank you. Uh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess we can just try to wrap it up and

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Speaker 1: just want to know what projects you already talked about

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Speaker 1: the Comedy Central show, we talked about the album, what

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Speaker 1: other projects We're talked more about these projects? Oh man.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of the month, I'm recording a

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Speaker 1: series for Audible. It's going to be called Apocalypse Untreated,

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Speaker 1: and it's about these teenagers in this apocalyptic world who

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Speaker 1: apocalypse has happened, they don't have medication and so it's

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Speaker 1: like this comedy drama. Um, so that'll be out an

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Speaker 1: Audible I don't know what within a few months. Um.

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Speaker 1: You can always check my website for dates about where

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be touring because I'm always telling jokes outside

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Speaker 1: of New York City, even though that's where I live.

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Speaker 1: Would go into our about fourteen days a month. Usually

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Speaker 1: you can go to Nali dot com for that. That's

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Speaker 1: channel like the perfume Ali like Mohammed you get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there it is, UM And can you give advice? Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not this person who is trying to come into

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Speaker 1: the comedy world. Will you give some sound advice to them? Totally?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to not speak forever on this, but

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Speaker 1: the first advice I want to say is that if

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Speaker 1: you want to pursue comedy and you feel like anybody

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Speaker 1: in your life is trying to persuade you not to

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Speaker 1: find peace in the idea that you're not trying to

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Speaker 1: hurt anyone, and that if your goal is to bring

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Speaker 1: people together through laughter, that is very noble, and so

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Speaker 1: find peace with how it might not seem like you're

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Speaker 1: a surgeon and your life is very important as a comedian,

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Speaker 1: But if it's something that you really feel interested in,

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Speaker 1: then you have to not listen to anyone and you

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Speaker 1: have to just do it for yourself every single day. UM.

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Speaker 1: In terms of like very practical comedy advice, I think

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Speaker 1: minutes on stage trump everything. Like, I don't care how

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Speaker 1: much you can sit at home and write funny things

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Speaker 1: in your notebook. You have to be on stage every

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Speaker 1: single day as much as you can, no matter what,

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Speaker 1: because those logging those minutes, that's all that's gonna bring

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Speaker 1: you growth, that's gonna that's gonna help you develop as

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Speaker 1: an artist. I also think it's important to study from

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Speaker 1: artists before us. Steve Martin has a great book on

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Speaker 1: comedy called Born Standing Up changed my life. I read

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Speaker 1: it after the first time I bombed and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to quit comedy. I was like, what's funny? I don't

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Speaker 1: even know? Read that book really changed my life. Also,

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Speaker 1: that guy Darryl Hammond has a book. He used to

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Speaker 1: be the announcer. I think he's actually the announcer for SNL,

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Speaker 1: but he used to be a player on SNL. I

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Speaker 1: think it's called God if You're there, if You're not

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Speaker 1: up there, And I think it's I think if I

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Speaker 1: think it's God if You're not up there. But it's

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Speaker 1: an incredible story. He lives an incredible life and overcame

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Speaker 1: just just really some some hard, hard things. What's it called? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got it? Right, God Rightang. I read that book

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Speaker 1: Forever Ago Um, and that book helped me a lot,

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Speaker 1: helped me reconcile with the idea that we don't have

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Speaker 1: to be perfect people to pursue art. We can have

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Speaker 1: suffered trauma and be currently living in it and still

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Speaker 1: be okay enough to do our art. And that's a

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Speaker 1: very peaceful sentiment once you can have it. I also

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Speaker 1: think it's very important to take deep breaths, breathe in

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Speaker 1: through your nails and out in your mouth very often

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Speaker 1: and try to just keep moving forward no matter what.

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Speaker 1: I love it, and I did want to kind of

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Speaker 1: ask because this is again my own self interest. You

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Speaker 1: were talking about the fact that you work with a group.

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Speaker 1: I work with an organization in New York. It's called

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Speaker 1: Stand Up for Girls and UM. So they basically go

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Speaker 1: around to some of the local high schools in New

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Speaker 1: York City and they get basically the more vocal or

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Speaker 1: very not vocal girls to practice stand up comedy, to

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Speaker 1: practice a five minutes set. For a few months, they

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Speaker 1: work on it, and they throw a big show at

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Speaker 1: a comedy club and they invite their parents and the

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Speaker 1: administrator's whole faculty to come out and then they'll have

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Speaker 1: someone like me headline it. And it's so incredible to

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Speaker 1: watch young women find their voice in that way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have heard these girls say jokes that were better

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Speaker 1: than anything I could ever write, like so poignant. Um

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Speaker 1: a lot of them, especially if they come from families

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Speaker 1: that have like immigrant parents, a lot of cultural background,

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Speaker 1: a lot of cultural history, they will read our country

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Speaker 1: for filth in a way that we could never really

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Speaker 1: communicate as well. UM So, Stand Up for Girls is

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Speaker 1: a great organization. If you want to donate, they're doing

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Speaker 1: great work. I have been on the verge of tears

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Speaker 1: at every single comedy show that I have done with them,

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Speaker 1: and it's just beautiful. It's beautiful co It's just a

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And if you're not seeing comedy shows in

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Speaker 1: your daily life, do it. You need to go sit

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Speaker 1: with strangers and giggle on the dark. I promise you

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Speaker 1: you do. Yes, I appreciated it. It It was a good night.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sad I missed. Yeah, you missed out real hard.

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Speaker 1: I got even T shirts T shirts. Excited about my shirts.

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Speaker 1: Literally no one asked to I love that shirt, love

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Speaker 1: so much. Anyway, Thank you, thank you very much. One

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Speaker 1: thing tell our listeners where they can find you. You

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Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Chanel Underscore

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Speaker 1: Underscore Ali. That's two underscores, so it's Chanel two underscores. Ali.

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Speaker 1: There's a girl who has my actual name, Shanel Ali,

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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to track her down for years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the clone. She has pictures up. I know. I actually

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Speaker 1: down friends because she hasn't been on Instagram in like

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Speaker 1: four years, and I've come so close to getting her

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Speaker 1: leg on the phone. But so yeah, Chanel, I'll underscore

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Speaker 1: on score Ali. I'm on Twitter, Instagram. I post on

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Speaker 1: Twitter pretty often. Um. You can also follow me on

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Speaker 1: Snapchat at channel Ali baba. That's c h A N

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Speaker 1: e O A l I b A b A awesome. Yay,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming in. You want to

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Speaker 1: add to it? Oh? I love you guys so much,

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Speaker 1: and just keep moving forward, all right, And I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed that as much as we did. It was

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Speaker 1: such an amazing time. Um. I'm hoping to catch up

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Speaker 1: with her again. I'm bound and determined to be friends

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Speaker 1: with everything really all um, and she apparently is coming

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Speaker 1: back to Atlanta, so when she does, I will be there.

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Speaker 1: You guys should definitely check out her Comedy Central special

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Speaker 1: coming out, her Audible coming Out, as well as her

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Speaker 1: album coming Out because she is amazing and just a

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Speaker 1: great individual overall. Yeah, and always remember, as she said,

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Speaker 1: fun to giggle in the dark with someone, but really

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Speaker 1: support people that you want to see succeed. And she

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Speaker 1: was awesome, So go do it. Go do it. And

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, if you would like to email as

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Speaker 1: you can, Our email is Stuff Media mom Stuff at

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Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. You can also find us on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast or on Instagram at Stuff

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Speaker 1: Mom Never Told You. Thanks as always to our super

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Speaker 1: producer Andrew Howard, and thanks to you for listening Stuff

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