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Speaker 1: Tie Dan Rubinstein welcome back. This is a college football

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Speaker 1: podcast known as the Solid Verbal. This is part three

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Speaker 1: yes of our Big Twelve preview series. We did the

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Speaker 2: As the SEC and Notre Dame and Yukon of course

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Speaker 2: got Limestone University Deep preview. I looked it up by

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Speaker 2: I think it's UCF who has a receiver transferring in

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Speaker 2: is Limestone University home in? It's not barely English? Is

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Speaker 2: You would love that.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff is very, very helpful. Dan, We've got

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Speaker 1: eight teams before us today, those being Utah TCU, Kansas,

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Speaker 2: Dan, Yes, we do. And if there's nothing else. We

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Speaker 2: don't know if these teams are going to be incredible

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Speaker 2: has something for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Fanishing, fighting, torture, revenge, giants, monsters, chases, escapes, true love, miracles.

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Speaker 2: I can make a case for any of these teams continue.

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Speaker 1: True love and miracles. Why don't we stick with that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's start with Utah, Dan, Okay, the Utah Utes formerly

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Speaker 2: I'm not used to any of this. I see Utah

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, man, how's Oregon gonna handle this

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Speaker 2: We got a first year starting quarterback in Dante Moore

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Speaker 1: The only one that I can sort of tolerate is

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Speaker 2: But there were a lot of interesting well okay, I

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. So go back listen to part

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's now becoming the annual question with Utah.

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Speaker 2: have a pretty incredible defense this year, they return enough

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Speaker 1: Well, first things first, on the defense, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: Continue, it's been a minute since the Utah offense was

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Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham is on record saying that he's going to

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Speaker 1: I would prefer the ratio would be better than twelve

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Speaker 1: I liked it. They got way Sean Parker from Wazoo, saying, also,

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Speaker 1: Tobias Merriweather is now on his third team. Started with

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll pop at Utah. I don't yep, who knows?

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Speaker 1: I just think there's a reason for optimism. There's a

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Speaker 2: I hope, so, I really do hope so because if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, your face and your personality make up

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Speaker 2: running backs, and so they have earned the benefit of

433
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Speaker 2: the doubt that they can identify and develop. There you

434
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: got to protect Jalen Daniels, especially given his injury history

435
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 2: and athleticism and propensity to try and extend plays. And

436
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: if the offense gets the benefit of the doubt that

437
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Speaker 2: they're going to find and develop people, then it should

438
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 2: be a good offense, which means that the defense has

439
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 2: to be complementary because they might find themselves on the

440
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Speaker 2: field quickly between scores or big plays whatever. And so

441
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: that to me is the even bigger question is who

442
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: is Kansas stopping? Who are they not stopping, and who

443
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: are the players that are able to make those plays?

444
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: How many players do they have at all three levels

445
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Speaker 2: to make those plays.

446
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Speaker 1: I think it's a team with enough veteran leadership that

447
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: they'll benefit from this schedule and the fact that it's

448
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: a wide open conference. I mean great, quite literally anything

449
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: could happen. So I'm entertained by Kansas. I'm not expecting

450
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: a run into that top tier. But if we've come

451
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Speaker 1: to know anything about Kansas in this era anyway, they

452
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: can sneak up and get you. They got Iowa State

453
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Speaker 1: last year. They just find ways to kind of get

454
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Speaker 1: in these games. And when Jalen Daniels is healthy, they're

455
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Speaker 1: a different team altogether.

456
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Speaker 2: So you're telling me that somehow Kansas finds.

457
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Speaker 1: A way, I'm simply saying that life finds away. I

458
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Speaker 1: knew you were going to find a way to use

459
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Speaker 1: you literally said finds away. I knew you were going

460
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Speaker 1: to find a way to that out, and then I

461
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: found a way to find a way. You found the

462
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Speaker 1: way to find the way.

463
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, continue.

464
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati, Okay, Bearcats also six and a half? Dan, where

465
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: you at with Cincy and Scott Sadderfield, I'm.

466
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Speaker 2: Just sort of a neutral. I don't know, like, what

467
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: is it that is spiking your excitement?

468
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Speaker 1: Tie?

469
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Speaker 2: What is it about the roster, the schedule, the coaching staff,

470
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Speaker 2: the vibes, the momentum or lack thereof that has you

471
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Speaker 2: feeling decently good about where Cincinnati is in twenty twenty five.

472
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Speaker 2: I struggle to find it. Maybe you are a better

473
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Speaker 2: bloodhound here.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to look at this version of Cincinnati,

475
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: which has a lot back on defense. Yeah, and ask

476
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Speaker 1: the same question basically, wonder why is this year going

477
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: to be any different?

478
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Speaker 2: These were just kind of two average units last year.

479
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Speaker 1: I think I think that's a totally fair question. You

480
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: can add players, but if you're not getting better in

481
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: close games, sure, sometimes that points to a culture thing,

482
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: a discipline thing. And for me, that's really the underlying

483
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: question with Cincinnati. I don't have an answer to that.

484
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Speaker 1: There are aspects of this team that I do like.

485
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Speaker 1: I actually found that I like Cincinnati a little bit

486
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: more than I expected. So we talked about Brandon Soresby

487
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: in part one. I really like him. He's a decent quarterback.

488
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: Sort of petered off down the stretch, but that was

489
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: more of a Cincinnati thing as opposed to a one

490
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Speaker 1: guy thing.

491
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Speaker 2: Five straight losses, missed a ball, yeah yeah, So.

492
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Speaker 1: It was not a good end to the season by

493
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Speaker 1: any stretch. But you know, there are holes. They lose

494
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: four offensive linemen, six receivers, a twelve hundred yard back.

495
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Speaker 1: But I think in totality, the roster is still fine,

496
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that Brendon Soarsby is back, Evan Pryor

497
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: is back, Deontae Corleone, one of the great names along

498
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: their defensive line is back. I think there is enough

499
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: to build around and enough to work with that this

500
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: team will be fine. I also think we are on

501
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: record both of us being pretty lukewarm about Scott Saderfield. Sure,

502
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Speaker 1: Year one was a disaster, I'm just not sure it

503
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: was entirely his fault because they jumped up to a

504
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: power conference. They lost a lot from the previous season.

505
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: After recently making the College Football Playoff.

506
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Speaker 1: Though I know, I know your one was horrible. Year

507
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: two there was a lot back last year, schedule set

508
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: up really well, and then the dagger was, as you said,

509
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: they start five and two, they lose their last five

510
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: and the issue again comes back to I think discipline

511
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: and those moments where they lose their focus and they

512
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: shoot themselves in the foot. So for me, you ask

513
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: what am I into with Cincinnati. I think the roster

514
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: is actually fine, and I like the quarterback, and I

515
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: like some of the key pieces that they have on

516
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: this thing. Where I don't like Cincinnati is I don't

517
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: know if they can fix that other stuff, because that's

518
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: not always a roster thing that tends to be more

519
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: of how are you establishing accountability? The boring stuff that

520
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: frankly is not really worth talking about on previews like

521
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: this where people care about rosters and schemes and things

522
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: like that. Right, So I'm mixed. I do like the players,

523
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: I just don't know how they fix that part of

524
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: the team. They've got seven home games, which helps's good,

525
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and one of the five road games quote unquote road

526
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Speaker 1: games is a neutral sider Week one against Nebraska and

527
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Yeah at Arrowhead, right at Arrowhead. Yeah. Yes,

528
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Speaker 1: I think they're going to run a little bit more

529
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Speaker 1: because the running back room looks to me like a

530
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: relative strength. The receiver room is going to be work

531
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: in progress, so it's they're going to be running. I

532
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: think the defense you look at that they improved last season.

533
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: I think they continue on that pass still figure out

534
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: a pass rush, which is a recurring theme here. Their

535
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: pass rush has been on hiatus for a couple seasons

536
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: running now they got to get better at that. So

537
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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised personally with this roster, with this schedule,

538
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: since they didn't get to at least six wins. To me,

539
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: they look like seven and five, eight and.

540
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: Four, so sort of under the radar, like not winning

541
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Speaker 2: big exciting games, but winning games against you know, the

542
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: bottom or the middle of the Big twelve doing all right,

543
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: maybe outside of the Nebraska game and the non conference

544
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: and you open your eyes and they're seven and five,

545
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: six and six.

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00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Again, the issue is not the record, which was underwhelming.

547
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: The issue is how they got to that record. It's

548
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: not even a player thing, it's just how they got

549
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: to that record. There were so many of those moments

550
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: that were very frustrating. I have to imagine we're incredibly

551
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: frustrating as a fan to watch. They have to improve

552
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: upon that asap. That is job number one for Scott Saderfield.

553
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: That there is palpable frustration within this fan base towards

554
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Sadderfield and the job he's doing. So they gotta shore

555
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: that up. If you do nothing else, at least cut

556
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: down on the dumb mistakes and the stupid bonehead moments

557
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: that get you into trouble. And I think this would

558
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: be a better team for it, given the fact that

559
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: the roster is still okay, it's all right.

560
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: So if they're all right because of an alright roster,

561
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: blurbs Ty Hildenbrandt of the Solid Verbal, the massive popular

562
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: popularity that I think.

563
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Speaker 1: The most popular of the two hosts here.

564
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Speaker 2: Easily, easily, definitely. Here's what Cincinnati has in front of

565
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: them if they are competent. Okay, they have what looks

566
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: to be winnable games against Bowling Green, Northwestern State, UCF,

567
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, Arizona. Okay, by my account, that's five games

568
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: that we can just say look reasonably winnable if Cincinnati

569
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: is definitely competent, and then they have Kansas on the road.

570
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: We'll see what that Kansas, you know, the back half

571
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: of that defense and who steps up if there's an

572
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: offensive line to be heard from. We'll see what Utah

573
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: looks like on offense. Baylor is still going to have

574
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: defensive questions, and that's games at home. BYU could be

575
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: a mess on offense if quarterback doesn't work out. That's

576
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: a BYU team that you have to downgrade. What their

577
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: their ceiling looks like. They could be a very very

578
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: boring seven to five team when all of a sudden

579
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: dud with that schedule.

580
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Speaker 1: I totally think that trucks. Okay, So yeah, I'm higher

581
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: on them than I expected. I guess the bigger question,

582
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: the more existential question for Saderfield, what is the fan

583
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: base willing to accept or how does the fan base

584
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: view success this season, because if success is like eight

585
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: and four, I don't think they're getting eight four. If

586
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: success is making a ball, you know, showing some improvement,

587
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: cutting down on some of those mistakes that I talked about,

588
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Speaker 1: then that's I think more attainable. But this is a

589
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: proud fan base that's used to doing well, as he said,

590
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: made the College Football Playoff. They're gonna need at some

591
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: point to see some results otherwise they're going to get

592
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: more impatient totally, of course, which is true I guess

593
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: for everybody.

594
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: But I think it's a place a lot of coaches

595
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: have won. You mentioned BYU. BYU's in a.

596
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: Really interesting spot now given circumstances, I do tend to

597
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: trust in Kalani Sataki. I like Klanistaki. Burning question is

598
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: who's playing quarterback? Dan? Who's playing quarterback now? Because this

599
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: whole thing with Jake Rhetz Laugh and his departure due

600
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: to the honor code due to the civil law suit,

601
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: it came very late in the game. Klanie Sataki's definitely

602
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: proven that he can manage situations like this, but this

603
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: is a big one and it's really late in the game,

604
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: and an eleven and two team now entering this season

605
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: at time of recording with the seven and a half

606
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: win total, I don't know if that's come down at all.

607
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: They were a guess was already expecting a drop off

608
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: even before the rets laugh news came out. But now

609
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: with this, I think it opens up a whole other

610
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: portfolio of questions. Are you optimistic that they hit seven

611
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: and a half wins?

612
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: No, just because we've seen teams with take your pick,

613
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 2: a quality defense and a developed offensive line, and then

614
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: there are just too many questions at quarterback, or there's

615
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: a late change because of injury or in this case

616
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: Rhet's laugh departing BYU. We've seen lows from BYU, We've

617
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: seen highs from BYU. I think this is just somewhere

618
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: in the middle. This feels like six and six, seven

619
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: and five, six and six, six and six probably vibes

620
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: right now. What is it, McKay hilden Brandt? Was that

621
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Speaker 2: the name Hillstead? McKay Hillstead. It's it's McKay Hillstead. It's

622
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: traycon Borgae or freshman bear Bachmeyer. Yes, there is another

623
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Speaker 2: Hank Bachmeyer. Bear Bachmeyer. You know there's another one.

624
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: There's a tiger Bachmeyer, isn't there tiger Bachmeyer? Yeah, well

625
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Speaker 1: I love it.

626
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Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's gonna be hell said. He threw

627
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: a little bit for Utah State a couple of years

628
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: ago and transferred in. It's just he's had time there

629
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: to learn the system, to get in some practice reps.

630
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: So perhaps he's just maybe he's not quite Jake reds Laugh.

631
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Speaker 2: Maybe he is better at certain things that reds Laugh

632
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: wasn't good at. But sudden changes are not super encouraging

633
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: to me.

634
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Speaker 1: So no, not at all. The good news is this,

635
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: here's the good news. Yeah, the good news is that

636
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: the offensive line is going to be solid and LJ.

637
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: Martin is back there running back, which likely means he's

638
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: going to be the focal point of the offense. The

639
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: offense is going to look very different than last season,

640
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: and they're going to need that defense while they figure

641
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: things out. Beyond Chase Roberts, the receiving core is very thin.

642
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: They lose three of last year's top four guys to transfers,

643
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: so they're going to need to figure this out. It's

644
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: going to be a work in progress. It was always

645
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: going to be, you'll work in progress, but that's even

646
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: more the case now that Jake Reht's laugh has departed.

647
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: Can I give you the Dan's counterpoint to Dan's original point?

648
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: Are you arguing with yourself? I'd love to hear it

649
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: a little bit.

650
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: The first like seventy five percent, two thirds of their

651
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: schedule kind of rules.

652
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: It's great, it's.

653
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: Great, Portland State, Stanford at ECU, which I think is

654
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit difficult, just you don't know,

655
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: traveling kind of across the country. At Colorado, we'll see

656
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: what the buffs are. Then West Virginia is starting all over,

657
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: Arizona's got a lot of questions, and it's Tucson, but

658
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: it's into October, the Holy Wars at home. There's the

659
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: meaty middle there, Utah at Iowa State, a bye at

660
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: Texas Tech TCU. That's really going to stress things. But

661
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: are you going to be crazy surprised if they start

662
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: the season five and one, six and oho and they're

663
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: merely above average doing so maybe not super surprised.

664
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: It's going to be another one of these BYU seasons

665
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: where like we know Chase Roberts, we know LG. Martin,

666
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: we know they're going to get theirs. But otherwise, there're

667
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of tributors on this offense that

668
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: nobody knows about, and they will find a way to

669
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: play as a team and win seven games.

670
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm kind of with you. I think they're the rare

671
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: team that is going to have more wins than the

672
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: appropriate number that describes what kind of team they are. Like, yeah,

673
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: I seven eight wins is not out of the question,

674
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: looking like a six and sixteen.

675
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: And we see that every year. We see that every year.

676
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: By the way, this defense was statistically the best in

677
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: the Big twelve last year. Now it lost a bunch

678
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: of starters.

679
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: I have I had Utah slightly above them, but yeah, yeah,

680
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: but it was it was up there, right, Yes, for sure,

681
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 2: it was up there by whatever count.

682
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: They were one of the best. They went hard after replacements.

683
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: They did lose starters. I think the linebacking corps is

684
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: still loaded.

685
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: They gutted Colorado in the bowl game, did they not?

686
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, the linebacking corp is loaded. So that's a

687
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: good starting point. The secondary is concerning I think there's

688
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: a bit of a step back because there's so much

689
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: new and that's going to work against him here with

690
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: an offense that's in flux. But again I have come

691
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: full circle, or I guess, to be fair, I have

692
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: done a one to eighty on Kalani Sataki. At first,

693
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: I did not trust that everybody else was trusting him,

694
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: And I think given what he's done the last couple

695
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: of years, he's proven to me that he's legit. So

696
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: he's going to figure this out. And he's got a

697
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: schedule here that sets him up well at least to

698
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: start things off.

699
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I sort of hedged here by saying

700
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: there are six and sixteen, what they might go eight

701
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 2: and four? Well, you could talk yourself into it. Sorry,

702
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: you can talk yourself into it. There are nine teams

703
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: on this schedule that don't obviously have a quarterback and

704
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: or passing game to seriously challenge a struggling secondary.

705
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Can I mark you down for nine and two BYU

706
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: or nine and three BYU?

707
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: No, you may not, But okay, in pure quantity, in

708
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: a pure numbers game, Portland State, Stanford, ECU, Colorado, West Virginia, Arizona, Utah, Cincinnati,

709
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: UCF are not obviously taking advantage of a green secondary here.

710
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: ECU could. ECU's got a good passing attack. This year

711
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: and should have a good offense. There are questions that

712
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: need to be answered about ECU.

713
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: But okay, that that that's on the road.

714
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: That's interesting to me. Their flying cross country to play

715
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: against ECU.

716
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Catenhauser backed up by Mikey Wright Man.

717
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: These guys.

718
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: Wait, you could tell me Cole Stout is on a

719
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: roster somewhere. All right. I actually know that he's not

720
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: because I this is something separate, little sidebar here. When

721
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: we were doing the ACC preview, I like to remind

722
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: myself of position coaches sometimes to be like, oh, yeah,

723
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: this guy is there and he's good with whoever or coordinators,

724
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: what have you. Dablosweeney employs every single former Clemson player

725
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: who wants a job. If you look at the analyst

726
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: list for Clemson, it's like, oh right that guy, ooh yeah,

727
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: that guy, Yes, of course that guy. And Cole Stout

728
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 2: is one of them that is employed by Clemson.

729
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: You know one that I saw?

730
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: Taj Boyd's on there. Who else?

731
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: Taylor Mays is the safety's coach for Washington this year.

732
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: Do you remember Taylor Mays? And of course he's from Seattle. Yeah.

733
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: When he was at USC, he was all the rage yep.

734
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna what seven and five? We

735
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: feel good seven and five. We've talked ourselves into that zone.

736
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: What's the number again?

737
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: You over unders seven and a half.

738
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't hate taking the under because of the change,

739
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: but again I'm gonna hedge and say, there's nine teams

740
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: on there who might not even come close to dicing

741
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: up this defense.

742
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: Let's get to Oklahoma State. Okay, they're over under his

743
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: four and a half this year four and a half.

744
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: They went oh to nine in conference three and nine overall.

745
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: It was one of the worst years in program history

746
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: last year, and it came in a year where everybody,

747
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: including you and I had them as one of the

748
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: teams to beat in the Big Twelve. Sure I had

749
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: a winning the damn conference. That didn't work. Oklahoma State

750
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: was terrible. It wasn't quite as bad record wise as

751
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: what happened at Florida State, but in some ways I

752
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: actually think it was worse. So what happens while it

753
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: leads to a messy situation after the season. Basically, they

754
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: forced Mike Gundhy's hand. They made him take a pay

755
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: cut if he wanted to stick around. He is back

756
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: it's going to be year twenty one. It has to

757
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: be a make or break thing this year for Gundhy

758
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: because even though they signed him, and even though they

759
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: got past that little contract dispute, I think that clearly

760
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: signals that there is impatience here. This is a proud program.

761
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: The patients is running thin. Yes, here is the blinking

762
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: red light for me. Okay, Because again we read a

763
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: bunch of different previews putting these things together, there was

764
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: a common theme UTEP transfers continue, that's one of them.

765
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Almost every preview leaned on one of two reasons why

766
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: they thought Oklahoma State could be better.

767
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: Okay.

768
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: The first is Mike Gundy's track record. It's not insignificant,

769
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: but there was a lot of yeah, but he's had

770
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: nineteen winning seasons, or yeah, but look look at some

771
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: of the teams he's had a lot of giving him

772
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. And secondly to logic was

773
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: they have to be better because they can't get any worse.

774
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: At times, it did seem that way.

775
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if those are the two things that people are

776
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: gravitating towards as they try to build a case for

777
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: your team getting better, your team might not get better No,

778
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean here. And my guess

779
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: say is that nobody's trying to be mean about this.

780
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm not, But Tracy Chapman, Dan, give me one reason

781
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: of belief.

782
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: Give me a reason to stay here, and here being

783
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Mike Gundy going to a bowl game.

784
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan Phil Steele in his preview, and I

785
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: like what he does. I mean, we can quibble over

786
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: like the format of some of it and all that.

787
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: But no, font is too small, he's a no acronym

788
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: is too unclear. Yeah, Mike Gundy has four pflts by

789
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: my count. Yeah, we all know what pflts are. Yeah,

790
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: of course, let's all move on because we all understand

791
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 2: what he's talking about.

792
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: I've read this book for fifteen years. I still don't

793
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: know what they mean. Yeah, Phil Steele on Oklahoma States offense,

794
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: this is a real thing. This year. They lose eight starters,

795
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: including their star running back Ali Gordon, their top three quarterbacks.

796
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: But Mike Gundy will have an improved offense in twenty

797
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: twenty five. How that's not even logic.

798
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: No, by the way, if you pull back a little bit,

799
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: but I think is relevant. We had conversations when all

800
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: of the reorganizing of realignment was happening all over and

801
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, so Texas and oklahom Oregon, and it

802
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: seems like there's a vacuum at the top, and there

803
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: are some obvious candidates. This is like pre West Coast teams,

804
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: pre Arizona schools, Utah, Colorado joining and like, Okay, who

805
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: is going to be that alpha or those alphas in

806
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: the Big twelve? And it would be very difficult to

807
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: point to a lot of teams that would have a

808
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: similar track record to what Oklahoma State has done, you know,

809
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: in the five seven years leading up to all of

810
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: the realignment, which is like drafted quarterbacks Politnikoff quality receivers

811
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: to like nationally impressive all American caliber running backs in

812
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: Oli Gordon and Chewba Hubbard, Jim Nole's running one of

813
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: the best seven defenses in the country out of Stillwater.

814
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: We're just like hiring and development and identifying and just

815
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: something happened in the early twenty twenties where Mike Gundy

816
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: and college football and Oklahoma State just sort of deteriorated

817
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: into I mean, look, they went to the championship game

818
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: two years ago. I think that was a blip more

819
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: than anything, because the roster can't stay together. The assistant

820
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: hiring seems to have just fallen off completely, and Oklahoma

821
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: State and Gundy just sort of fumbled this.

822
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: It's look, the conversation was not wrong when the conference

823
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: changed and there was an open question of is Oklahoma

824
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: State not doing better because Oklahoma remains in their way?

825
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: And that was the question. I think we posed to

826
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: Scott right from the Oklahoma and we brought him two

827
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: years ago. It was exactly that, and that had been

828
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: written about, that had been talked about for years. That's

829
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: part of why we were so up on Oklahoma State

830
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: last season. To go from preseason expectations to three and

831
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: nine conference in a new conference. Basically that felt like

832
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: it was theirs for the taking. Talk about like falling flat.

833
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: That was horrible. Yeah, I'm not trying to make this

834
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: a dunk contest, but this is the reality for Oklahoma

835
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: State and Oklahoma State fans know this. Yeah. So, I

836
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, forty one new guys this year. I look

837
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: at the roster, I don't know who any of them are.

838
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: It's too many new guys.

839
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: I don't know who any of these guys are. And

840
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: I studied as much as anybody. There is so much new.

841
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: They're not exactly coming into the season with a step

842
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: depth chart anywhere, so they're hoping it just meshes. If

843
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: there are injuries, if they can't get the chemistry part sorted,

844
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be an issue against the schedule. And

845
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: then that's not even mentioning the coordinators. They got Doug

846
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: Meetchim in there running the offense, gonna be up tempo,

847
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: he's going more pass heavy. Yeah, we're going to see

848
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: a lot of shootouts, or at least that's what they're

849
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: banking on. If if you're a believer in Zane Flores,

850
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: the young quarterback, we should find out pretty quickly what

851
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: he's got in the tank, which I.

852
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: Actually think came in what Nebraska.

853
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: Yes, I actually think that's a reason to watch Oklahoma State.

854
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of excitement around this guy, so

855
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him. Todd Grantham though, calling the defense.

856
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: That's tough.

857
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Man? Have we not seen

858
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: this play before?

859
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: Say what you will?

860
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: He has a vision at least, oh he does. He

861
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: does talk about aggressive and attacking.

862
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: Every problem can be solved by a zero blitz.

863
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: This schedule is good in that they miss Arizona State

864
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: in Utah, bad in that they're at Oregon. Week two, Oh,

865
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: they've got Baylor. They're at Texas Tech at Kansas home

866
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: against k State at UCF, which I don't think we

867
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: could take as a guaranteed win. They close out with

868
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: Iowa State at home. So there are no breaks in

869
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: this thing. No breaks on this thing. U t Martin

870
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: on August twenty eighth is a break, but otherwise maybe

871
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: outside of Tulsa, I've got a question about all the

872
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: other games in the schedule. I agree, How do you

873
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: handicap this? I don't know, with all this new on

874
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: a team that I don't think is used to having

875
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: this much new, and a coach that I described as

876
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: basically saying Jesus take the wheel on our Part one episode.

877
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: I think the best case scenario is five and seven,

878
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: and that is the best case scenario. More likely. I

879
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: am at four and eight, So.

880
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Five and seven means what three big twelve wins, because

881
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: I don't think there'll be an Oregon in Eugene. No,

882
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: that's tough for me to say. Four and eight feels

883
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: about right.

884
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: If he goes four and eight again.

885
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: They got to move on, right, Oh, I think they're

886
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 2: moving on regardless of anything short of probably nine.

887
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: Wins, nine wins. They're not getting nine wins with No.

888
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: I'm saying short like nine wins keeps him his job.

889
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know.

890
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: He might as well pack.

891
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: How many chances do you get a guy to completely

892
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: redo the raw st every year and hopes that he

893
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: strikes gold finally, and so even if he strikes gold

894
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: once out of every three nine no, no, no, I'm saying

895
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: short of nine.

896
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: Wins, they're gonna gone. They're not gonna be anywhere close

897
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: to nine wins.

898
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: I know, but there has to be. Everybody's got a number.

899
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau just got fired for making the Eastern Conference

900
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: championship tie.

901
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: And Gundy's got way better hair than him.

902
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Thibodou's funny, though apparently think Gundy's funny.

903
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: I think Gundy can be funny. Okay, let's go to Houston. Okay,

904
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 1: four and eight last season over under six and five

905
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: or six point five? Excuse me your one for WILLI

906
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: Fritz came over from two lane. I think it went

907
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: about as well as expected. There were some bright spots

908
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: that you can point to. They knocked off both Utah

909
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: and case Day on back to back weeks, which is nice.

910
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: They almost beat Oklahoma in week two. That was before

911
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: we knew what'll Homo was going to be, but still

912
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big game. The other thing I'd mentioned

913
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: here is that they had terrible turnover. Look, Okay, moving forward. Now,

914
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: the overwhelming feeling I get when I look at Houston is, Oh,

915
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: They've got a plan. It feels calm, and I'd be

916
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: surprised if they weren't markedly better. This season just feels

917
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 1: to me like Willie Fritz knows what he's doing and he's.

918
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: Well, you need quarterback health, you do, which is not

919
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: always a given. Connor Wigman, Yeah, let me start.

920
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: With the coordinators. Okay, I like the coordinators. Slade Nagel

921
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: is the offensive guy. He was with Willie at Tulane.

922
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: They also peeled away Austin Armstrong from Florida because of

923
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: Florida's situation. He was kind of on the outste Florida anyway.

924
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: So on offense, I think that looks like a pretty

925
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: balanced attack on defense. The thing about Austin Armstrong that

926
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: I really like in this situation and not a lot

927
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: of people know. This definitely runs more of an aggressive

928
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: attacking defense.

929
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: Oh you have to, you have to.

930
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: Actually this was a top fifty defense year. Gone to

931
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: Sheil would she'll would have talked on the last episode,

932
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: went to Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah, so I like those guys.

933
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: I think that's smart hires on the transfer side, to

934
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: your point about you need the quarterback, you need a

935
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: healthy roster, thirty transfers, and it feels like the strategy

936
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: here was just to get better where they needed it,

937
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: not unlike Texas Tech. I described the Texas Tech strategy

938
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: as Willie Fritzie. We can describe the Houston strategy here

939
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: as Texas Techi if we want. I don't care. It

940
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: works both ways. People out there are going to hear

941
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: this and say, well, duh, like duh, isn't that the

942
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: point of it? I'm telling you, when you study one

943
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six teams, you have drastically different portal strategies.

944
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Not all of them are this straightforward. They just aren't.

945
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: So the biggest name here is Connor Wigman, former five star,

946
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: comes over from Texas A and M. He's from Houston,

947
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: which is pretty neat and I think they just added

948
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: quality across the board. They have a couple different ways

949
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: to use their running back room. They brought in a

950
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: lot of experience on the offensive line. Again, just smart stuff.

951
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: It makes sense we should see a nice jump in offense,

952
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: which would be nice. I'm all great, so I feel

953
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: good about that side of the ball. My red flag

954
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: is this, where's my lomis thing?

955
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: I kind of have a problem with your hair. It's

956
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: bothering me.

957
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: Of course, I like the defensive front. I think the linebackers,

958
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: I think the secondary are way more up in the air.

959
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Then they've got a new scheme. Ye had a new transfers.

960
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: I could see this taking a while to click. Now

961
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: they have some time to work that out because September

962
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: is gettable. The rest of the schedule is okay.

963
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: It's a lot of snip snap. There's not a lot

964
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: of stretchiness in here. There's not a lot of three

965
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: straight toughies. They I think they end with a couple

966
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: of tough ones. It's TCU and Baylor to finish things out.

967
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: TCU and Baylor after a buy to finish things out

968
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: in late November.

969
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's preceded by West Virginia and UCF. They've

970
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: got Arizona before Arizona State, and Oklahoma State before Arizona,

971
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: Oregon State, which I think will be improved but not

972
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: a killer, before Texas Tech. Colorado is will see, but

973
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: that's preceded by Rice, who's starting over in steven f. Austin.

974
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: Schedule is pretty good. The schedule's not bad. I mean, no,

975
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: no Kansas State, no Iowa State, no Utah. Right, and

976
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: Vegas is right there at six and a half with

977
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: the over under, So I would not bet on the over,

978
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: but you can definitely look at this and if you

979
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: feel optimistic about the offense, and if you think that

980
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: in time the defense will click under a good coordinator

981
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: or aggressive coordinator. Let's be honest. You could find a

982
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: path to seven wins here.

983
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh easily. You can find a path to seven or

984
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: eight wins with quarterback health, with transfers working out to

985
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: a reasonable level. I like, I think it's what Stefan

986
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: Johnson out wide.

987
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

988
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: I think he's a speedy dude. Like there are pieces here.

989
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: It's just the churn at a place like Houston means

990
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: you gotta nail the portal. I mean gotta nail the

991
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: portal everywhere, obviously, but the certain places are just going

992
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: to have more of a churn that they're just not

993
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: going to be able to compete from a financial perspective,

994
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: that they're losing a coordinator. They're improving at quarterback, but

995
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: it's somebody who's a little bit fragile and Connor Wigman unfortunately.

996
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: So you hope and cross your fingers for quarterback health

997
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: there and you hope that they're able to get off

998
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 2: the field again. Willie Fritz and we've talked about this before,

999
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: a year two, real solid track record.

1000
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: Very good year two coach, and I think this is

1001
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: where context is really important for Houston. If this were

1002
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: a situation where you're looking at this defense any other team,

1003
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: you're looking at the defense and you say, well, I

1004
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: like the front. The back seven is going to be

1005
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: working progress. It's going to take a little bit to

1006
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: kind of work through it. But look at the schedule.

1007
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: The schedule makes sense. They're going to have time. You

1008
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: would be okay to handwave parts of that. The reason

1009
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: that you can't do it with Houston is because they're

1010
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: still sort of in this rebuilding mode. If the rest

1011
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: of the roster were more set, if there were more leadership,

1012
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: if this were a couple of years down the path

1013
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: of Lily Fritz and you had more of a bedrock

1014
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: to go on here with Houston, you'd say, Okay, yeah,

1015
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: they can weather that. They'll be fine. They're going to

1016
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: get to a Bowl, no big deal. Might not get

1017
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 1: the nine wins, but they'll they'll be fine. But given

1018
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: where Houston's at, given that this was a huge rebuild

1019
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: last season, given that he's still rebuilding and bringing in

1020
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: all these transfers, I think that weighs a little bit

1021
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: more heavily on the record. So I go seven wins here.

1022
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: I like our six wins here with a path to

1023
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: seven or eight. I like where Houston's at. I like

1024
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: the job that Willi Fritz is doing. I think it's

1025
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: a slow build, and I would expect they'll give him

1026
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: time because they're going to see it too. There's going

1027
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: to be a jump this year that's going to show

1028
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: real progress and hopefully keep people, you know, excited.

1029
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: I hope so too. Yeah, because I think as we've

1030
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: seen the best of Houston is a team that was

1031
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: one weird play from beating Texas with Dana Holgerson, a

1032
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, right, yep, was a January type

1033
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: Bowl team with Tom Herman. We're talking about a different

1034
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: era of college football, of course, but just in terms

1035
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: of what that university can attract, especially if they're able

1036
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: to engage the money behind the scenes and what the

1037
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: local recruiting is like, both from like guys coming back

1038
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: to East Texas and that want to stay local. You

1039
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: can accomplish a bunch at Houston. So yeah, fingers crossed

1040
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: for them.

1041
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: We've got one team left, is the Colorado Buffalo is

1042
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: dan Yes, so there's always a lot to talk about

1043
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: with the Dion Sanders coach team. Yes, Where do you

1044
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: want to start? I can give you the kind of

1045
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: lay of the land. The lay of the land is

1046
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: that Colorado was nine and four team a year ago.

1047
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: They lost two games in conference. They're over under this

1048
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: year is six and a half. It probably is no

1049
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: great surprise as to why that number has come down,

1050
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: but at a starting point, one of the five most

1051
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: interesting teams in the country, I think, not for the

1052
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: same reasons as before.

1053
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: Really you think that right now they're one. I have

1054
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: most fascinating teams.

1055
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: Fascinating not best teams. Oh no, I know that, but Okay,

1056
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: first year at Colorado without Shador and Travis Hunter, and

1057
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: I can't say it's going to be a new Vibe

1058
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: and Boulder, but it kind of feels like it has

1059
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: to be a transition year at a minimum. I think

1060
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,959
Speaker 1: the offense is going to look different because you're missing

1061
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: your star quarterback who probably should have gotten drafted a

1062
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: lot higher. A once in a generation player isn't going

1063
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: to be out wide. There are a couple of major

1064
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: zags that are going to be coming, and I'm just

1065
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: curious to see how Dion responds to that with again,

1066
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: another huge class of transfers.

1067
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: Huge class of transfers. Last year, they were led by

1068
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 2: their defense, almost quietly led by their defense. I thought,

1069
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: it's what it's uh, Robert Livingston is the defensive coordinator.

1070
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: I keep getting him confused with Ron Livingston. I jotted

1071
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: Ron Livingston Ron Livingston.

1072
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: Of course, of office space fame, moved on to his

1073
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: second act of calling Pack twelve and Big twelve defenses.

1074
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 2: An outstanding secondary obviously headlined by the Heisman Trophy winner.

1075
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: An outstanding receiving corps last year, also headlined by the

1076
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: Heisman winner, both completely different this year the offensive line

1077
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 2: is being rebuilt through the portal, kind of everything's being

1078
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: rebuilt through the portal. They don't run the ball, so

1079
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: they obviously don't run the ball. Well, it's Caiden Salter

1080
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: via Liberty or do Ju Louis, Yeah, Julian Lewis from

1081
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: I want to say Carrollton, Georgia, a blue chip quarterback

1082
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 2: coming in competing for the job. I think we assume

1083
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be Kaden Salter, who has been reasonably

1084
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: successful in a smaller conference for a smaller school. There

1085
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 2: are just too many variables on the field right now,

1086
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: coupled with the fact that something just strikes me as

1087
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: off behind the scenes at Colorado, and I don't I

1088
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: don't blame Dion's health for anything. He lived in Texas

1089
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: the past few months rehabilitating an injury. I hope he's healthy.

1090
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: I hope it works out. That's a different thing in

1091
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: this sport that a coach is not even living in

1092
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: the town of the school while rehabilitating very serious health issues,

1093
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: and that his friends have had to put out statements

1094
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: like just saw him, He's doing great, can't wait to

1095
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: get back out there. And he went to Big twelve

1096
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: media days and was like, I'm doing great, nothing work

1097
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: to worry about.

1098
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: Guys.

1099
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you didn't even live in Colorado for

1100
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: the majority of the off season. That's worrisome to me.

1101
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: I hope, from a human standpoint, he's doing alright. I

1102
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: hope he's healed. I hope he's doing all right. But

1103
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: if we're talking about like the vibes within a program

1104
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: that's just unique, that is different, and so maybe we're

1105
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: full speed ahead, maybe everything's good to go. Maybe he's

1106
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: done an outstanding job as Zoom. However you do things,

1107
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: it's hard to feel great about where this program is.

1108
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough on offense more than defense, because I just

1109
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 2: I don't love redoing an offensive line every year and

1110
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: having it be the weakness that it was, especially a

1111
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. I just don't like that sort

1112
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: of annual turnover. Jordan Seaton's back, I think at left tackle,

1113
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: the blue chip left tackle who started as a freshman

1114
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: last year, I think did a good job, and the

1115
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: line definitely improved some I don't know they were experienced

1116
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: with some of their guys, you know, at receiver and

1117
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: on defense last year. I just the two years and

1118
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: starting over thing without one of the best. I think

1119
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: they retired sha Door Sanders' number. Yes, and the singularly

1120
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: most talented player in program history, if not college football history.

1121
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's incredible. Travis Hunter, he was ridiculous. Yeah.

1122
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: So when one single person can account for that much

1123
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: production for your team as a whole and he's gone,

1124
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, five and seven, six and six, I

1125
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: think anything is on the table.

1126
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: I've got him down as an entertaining five and seven. Okay, again,

1127
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: the over unders six and a half. So let me

1128
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit. Okay, I don't think it's fully

1129
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: accurate to say. I mean it's a matter of opinion.

1130
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: I would not say they were led by defense last year.

1131
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: Their defense was better than their offense.

1132
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: Their defense was better than it had been, but the

1133
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: offense was like a top twenty unit in the country.

1134
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: I have them down fortieth on offense and points per

1135
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: drive thirty fourth in defense.

1136
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: Okay, whatever metric we want to use. Yes, clearly Shador

1137
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: Sanders and what he did offensively, mostly in tandem with

1138
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, that is gone, and they are going to

1139
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: be starting over on some level. On offense, they will

1140
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: be led more so by defense this year. The job

1141
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: that Robert don't call me Ron Livingston did, huh was

1142
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: really impressive per your analytics, Yes, Colorado improved by one

1143
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: point per drive on defense. Now that doesn't sound like much,

1144
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: I get it. But once you realize that teams averaged

1145
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: about what twelve drives a game last season against Colorado,

1146
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: do the math. They got way better, way better overall,

1147
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirteenth in defensive sp plus in twenty

1148
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: twenty three. They improved the forty first last season, which

1149
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: is a jump of seventy two spots. It's a lot,

1150
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: all right, So I like the fact that they got better.

1151
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: There definitely a talking point regardless of who led whom.

1152
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: I think that was a big jump forward. You could

1153
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: say this year there are as many as eight starters

1154
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: back on defense when you factor in the transfers. Jaheim

1155
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: Otis is the big hog Molly along the line. To

1156
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: pay attention to big number ninety six five three twenty five,

1157
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how you get that big. When a monster,

1158
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: he's going to step into a leading role right away,

1159
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: even in the secondary. Like the impulse I think is

1160
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: to think that they're going to take a big step

1161
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: back because they lose Travis Hunter. I do think they'll

1162
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: take a step back, but they still have guys like

1163
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: DJ McKinney, who played really well last season and wasn't

1164
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: in the limelight, but is still there should be productive.

1165
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: They brought in six transfers, some of whom were also

1166
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: starters elsewhere, So this is not to say that there

1167
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: aren't holes to fill on that defense, but from what

1168
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, I think they'll be fine, and I think

1169
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: if that's the case, it'd be a cool story. So

1170
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: defensively they're in a good spot. They will be for

1171
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,479
Speaker 1: certain led by defense this year. The situation on offense, though,

1172
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: is where it gets a little bit weird. I think again,

1173
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: it will be entertaining and fun to chart. But Caden

1174
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: Salter from Liberty, the dual threat guy, was super productive,

1175
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: did a lot of RPO stuff in his career. Him

1176
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: or Juju lewis true freshman, like you said from Georgia,

1177
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: is not going to be eighteen until September twenty First, damn,

1178
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: how old are we?

1179
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: How many years older than seventeen? Are you?

1180
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: Where's my button?

1181
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: Twenty five?

1182
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: Not talking about this? Okay? The comp I saw for

1183
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: Juju was Bryce Young, which would be pretty awesome in Colorado.

1184
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: Young literally Bryce Young.

1185
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if the guy who wins the

1186
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: job in week one is going to end up being

1187
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: the starter of the full way through. But they've got

1188
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: two guys that are competing for the job, and I

1189
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: think that'll be interesting. I don't know what the offense

1190
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: is going to look like. There's like no way it

1191
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: can be so pass heavy given that they're going to

1192
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: have a whole new cast of characters. I just think

1193
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: they're going to have to bring things more into balance.

1194
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: We'll see if Pat Shermer can get the ground game going.

1195
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: It's not something that worked at all last season. They've

1196
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: been the worst running team for two years running. Yeah,

1197
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: so you know, there are real questions about this offense,

1198
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: which is definitely different from what we have seen the

1199
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: last two years. When I saw this schedule at l

1200
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: OLED oh oh. The good news is that they've got

1201
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: Delaware and Wyoming. The bad news BYU, followed by a

1202
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: road spot at TCU before coming home to play Iowa State.

1203
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: They're at Utah at West Virginia. They close out the

1204
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: year with back to back games against Arizona State and

1205
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: on the road against Kansas State. It's not quite the

1206
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: toughest schedule in the Big Twelve, but it's up there.

1207
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: They also open with Georgia Tech.

1208
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Georgia Tech, who did this to the program of

1209
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: the future, who did this to them? It will be entertaining.

1210
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: You're right, it will be entertaining. And here's the actual

1211
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: concern too about the offense. I think we think Caden

1212
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: Salter is pretty good, but is he drag this entire

1213
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: offense to thirty one points a week?

1214
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: Good?

1215
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: With these receivers that were rotation guys last year, but

1216
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: they weren't providing huge pop for this team last year

1217
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: and no running game and a rebuilt offensive line. I

1218
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: just don't think he can serve me, asked Serbiak, this

1219
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: thing to thirty one?

1220
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: How long is it going to take this offense to

1221
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: gel And realistically, how much can that defense, which I

1222
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: think will be better, how much can that defense shut

1223
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: down this schedule. That's that's the big thing for me.

1224
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, you're just a hater, Ty, You're just

1225
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: a Colorado hater.

1226
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna I'm gonna look at the comments and see

1227
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: that's fine, just like and I know where they're gonna

1228
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: come from to But listen, I'm rooting like hell for Colorado.

1229
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: I am on recry a peace. No no, no, no, hold on,

1230
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: shut up. People can go back and listen to me.

1231
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: Two years ago when Dion took this job, when he

1232
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: brought in fifty two transfers, I was on the record saying, well,

1233
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: I get why it's different. I understand completely why people

1234
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: would look at this and say he's not recruiting. This

1235
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: is going to be a flash in the pan. It's

1236
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: never gonna work, but let's see. And if it does work,

1237
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: then maybe that will become like a new model. Here,

1238
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm hitting my microphone now, I'm crazy. Maybe that'll become

1239
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: a new model in college football. And guess what. He

1240
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: won nine games last year, and it is the model

1241
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: in college football now. Everybody's doing it now, some out

1242
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: of necessity because they don't have a choice, right, But

1243
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: there are plenty of big schools that have integrated the

1244
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: portal much more into their recruiting regimen than they did

1245
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.

1246
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: You're not wrong.

1247
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: So say whatever we want about Dion and the strategy,

1248
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: and yes it's volatile and he's not for everybody, but.

1249
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 2: Well, and he's just a much bigger face doing it

1250
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: than every face. There's no personality bigger than him, certainly

1251
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: not on the coaching side, right, but what he has

1252
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: done in two short years has definitely been a blueprint

1253
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: that other schools have followed, and I don't know if

1254
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: they'll have success with this with it this year.

1255
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: They're trying it again, but I was up on that.

1256
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: I was at least willing to give it time. We

1257
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: saw the fruits of that last season, but now it's

1258
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: a new challenge when you lose two stars in Shador

1259
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: and Travis Hunter. Yeah, it's that has to be the

1260
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: first question that everybody asks, and how they make up

1261
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: for that production remains to be seen. But five and

1262
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: seven for me, a very entertaining five and seven, Happy

1263
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: to be proven wrong. I am rooting for Colorado, souse.

1264
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a cool story, but definitely a new

1265
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: chapter here.

1266
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Colorado just because I enjoy Ralphie more

1267
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: than any other live mascot in the sport.

1268
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: A female.

1269
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, long, Ralfie's a female long of Yale.

1270
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1271
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So that does it for the Big twelve, all

1272
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: sixteen teams now in the bag. Please reach out soliverble

1273
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com with any thoughts. If you can

1274
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: comment on whatever podcast platform or YouTube that you're consuming

1275
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: the content, please weigh and let us know your thoughts.

1276
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: Are they playing any of the games where Brett Yormark

1277
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: said that they were going to explore the possibility of

1278
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: playing in like South Powell. Are they doing any of

1279
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: that yet?

1280
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1281
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: No games, No, no neutral site games in Guatemala, Mexico City, Osaka.

1282
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 2: Nothing yet, Okay, no, nothing yet. Someday someday, I hope.

1283
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: So. Yeah, I played games in Ireland the week zero

1284
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: game in Ireland is not that counts. That counts. That's

1285
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: not idea. It's it's been fun.

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Speaker 2: Dublin's great. Yeah, it's not terrible to get to, right,

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Speaker 2: it's western most Ish, I don't know it's Dublin's. It's

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Speaker 2: it's on the very western edge of Europe. So the

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Speaker 2: flights aren't terrible. And uh, Bambino pizza terrific, terrific, really

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Speaker 2: really really really good pizza in Dublin against all odds.

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Speaker 1: Great food town. Yeah, amazing, all right again, leave a

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Speaker 1: star rating, leave a review. That stuff helps for Ballers

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Speaker 1: dot com is where you can go for the Patreon

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Speaker 1: if you want to further support what Dan and I

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Speaker 1: are up to here, hit foul, hit subscribe, if nothing

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Speaker 1: more so that you don't miss any of our episodes.

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Speaker 1: Our next episode is going to be part one of

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. The Big Ten is eighteen friggin teams. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this was the case last year. I'd just like to

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Speaker 1: remind people when we do these previews, these are good.

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Speaker 1: These are gonna be longer episodes we have. There's just

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Speaker 1: no way around it.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to get one team out of the

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Speaker 2: way right now?

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Speaker 1: Perdue?

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Speaker 2: So we just do our Washington preview on this episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready with Washington.

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Speaker 2: Are you really?

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Speaker 1: I am ready with Washington? Yeah? Was it?

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Speaker 2: Demon Williams? Demon Williams is the Truth, Denzel Boston. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Demon Williams is the Truth. A smaller it's a line

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Speaker 2: smaller dude, but he is elusive.

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Speaker 1: He's got track speed, doesn't rely on it, wants to

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Speaker 1: stay in the pocket once to complete passes. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a crazy exciting prospect. I think Washington is like

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Speaker 1: maybe one of my sleeper teams this year.

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Speaker 2: And okay, Washington preview is out of the way for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, anybody else you want to knock out?

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Speaker 2: Right now, right now, you have the chance. Purdue's gonna

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Speaker 2: be bad. Done produce could be very bad. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: we don't have to do Purdue produced four?

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Speaker 1: You know that?

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Speaker 2: How many?

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Speaker 1: Fifty four?

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Speaker 2: That's so good? Almost an eleven starting basketball teams.

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Speaker 1: Fifty four transfers this year for Purdue.

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Speaker 2: And he thought, a god, Indiana, Mendoza thought, I have not.

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Speaker 1: Done Indiana yet. Okay to Indiana.

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Speaker 2: I got a Maryland.

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Speaker 1: I got about nine teams left before we record our

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Speaker 1: next episode.

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Speaker 2: And do you know Maryland's starting quarterback for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be Malik Williams.

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Speaker 2: I hope you want it to be Malik Washington because

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Speaker 2: that appears to be the correct name.

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Speaker 1: Elak Washington. That's okay, this is not our Big ten episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't have my notes in front of me.

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Speaker 2: That's okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hamilton is with Maryland. Now you know what the

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Speaker 1: former was?

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Speaker 2: He what ufl? He was in one of the All

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Speaker 2: Spring leagues.

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Speaker 1: For a minute, He's been everywhere. Yeah, okay, we'll get there.

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Speaker 1: Malik Washington, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was justin Martin from UCLA, also competing for

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Speaker 2: that job.

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Speaker 1: On that note, before we embarrass ourselves any further, for

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Speaker 1: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubenstein form

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Speaker 1: myself Tye hillar Brand. Thank you so much for downloading,

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Speaker 1: for listening, for supporting what we do. Talk y'all soon,

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Speaker 1: Talk some big ten next time around.

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Speaker 2: Stay solved, peace,