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Speaker 1: All right, guys, Before we get started today, a big

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Speaker 1: Drive as the Chargers escape with a thirty to twenty

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Speaker 1: eight win over the Cleveland Browns in Cleveland, improving their

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Speaker 1: record to three and two. As always, joined by Haley

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Speaker 1: Elwood and Eric Smith, and guys, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: to get into. So much happened in this game. I

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Speaker 1: figured we'd start at the end because I think that's

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Speaker 1: the biggest topic of conversation. After the game, Chargers fourth

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Speaker 1: and one, fourth and two from their own forty six.

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Speaker 1: They fail to convert. They go for it. Failed to

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Speaker 1: convert gives the Browns a short field. I think they

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Speaker 1: get ten yards on their second player that drive. It

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Speaker 1: eventually stalls out, but enough for Kid York to go

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Speaker 1: out there and attempt a fifty four yard game winning

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Speaker 1: field goal that goes right. Chargers escape thirty to twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into what Coach Staley said about that that

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Speaker 1: final drive and going forward on fourth down. But Haley,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you, just so much happened in this game,

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Speaker 1: and I think the end of the game kind of

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Speaker 1: overshadowed a lot of what happened. It totally did, and

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, we were fifty four yards away

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Speaker 1: from having a very different outlook on this team and

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Speaker 1: probably on this podcast today. Yeah, when you say so

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Speaker 1: much happened, I take notes obviously, like during the game,

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Speaker 1: and if scoring plays have something leading up to it,

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Speaker 1: I put like in a parentheses like what might have

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Speaker 1: happened before, you know, for instance like Cleveland second touchdown,

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Speaker 1: parent these off the Chargers turnover rundowns. I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of parentheses that are next to scoring blaze and

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Speaker 1: notes on the other side that happened in this game

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Speaker 1: because it was just really, really wild. The ending to

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Speaker 1: that game was bananas. And you could even go back

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Speaker 1: a little further and take it to the aloe interception, which,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, gave me shades of that Jacksonville game

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Speaker 1: with Trey Boston, like many many years ago, of it

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Speaker 1: essentially being over and then it wasn't and luckily it

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Speaker 1: did end up the Chargers way this time. But there

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Speaker 1: was so much that happened towards the end and just

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Speaker 1: Adam arch aldin the third quarter had said, these two

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Speaker 1: teams need to play on primetime because every single time

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Speaker 1: they get together, it gets freaking wild, and it gets

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Speaker 1: really crazy and things happen, and it's like CBS has

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Speaker 1: just enjoying the heck out of it because they get

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Speaker 1: drama literally until the very very end. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of discourse, if you want to use that word, on

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Speaker 1: the internet and the media and television today about what

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Speaker 1: happened on fourth down, and ultimately you can say that

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Speaker 1: the fact that Cleveland did miss that field goal in

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Speaker 1: the end. I know, I was reading Daniel Popper and

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Speaker 1: they phased a fourth and one from their own forty five,

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Speaker 1: led by three and converted. There wasn't as much discussion

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Speaker 1: obviously because they made it. I think the difference to

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Speaker 1: luckily they missed the field goal and it didn't end

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Speaker 1: up happening. It wasn't like a tie situation or anything

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Speaker 1: they would have gone. They were going for the win

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Speaker 1: at that point, So you count, you know, you take it,

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Speaker 1: You get lucky in a sense, you count your blessings,

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Speaker 1: and you move on to what is this week six now?

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Speaker 1: But it was chaos at the end. You guys were

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Speaker 1: obviously there. I wasn't there. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: I was just dying at one point because you just

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Speaker 1: a sense of like, okay, that you got out, you

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Speaker 1: I think you said it to me yesterday, it's better

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Speaker 1: say that. Yeah, man, where where to start? UM? Crazy

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Speaker 1: final five minutes. UM. I thought the game was over

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Speaker 1: after the Alohi interception. I thought we were going to

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Speaker 1: milk the clock out, um, and that that was it. UM.

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Speaker 1: I was worried when Cleveland had the ball at the

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Speaker 1: like like Hailey said, the chaos that was unfolding. UM.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the fourth down, I like it. I'll

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Speaker 1: just come out and say it. I like the aggressiveness, UM.

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Speaker 1: And I get what people are saying, Oh, punted away

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Speaker 1: and and it's a it's a backup, you know, starting.

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent the game is over. And the matchup

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Speaker 1: and it just didn't didn't hit. Um. If they had

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Speaker 1: a great call. Like I agree with what coaches saying

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Speaker 1: that you have to trust your process and trust your

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Speaker 1: numbers and your mindset and your your data and all that,

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Speaker 1: and whether it works or not, that shouldn't differentiate you

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Speaker 1: it didn't work. So people are going to criticize it,

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Speaker 1: and as Hayley said, like if you've been on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: people are very mad, very mad. But I just think

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Speaker 1: that that's the aggressiveness that the Chargers have shown like

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Speaker 1: I just think you have to have that mindset. If

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Speaker 1: both sides. We were coming out here on the road

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Speaker 1: to win this game, not kick it and then go

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Speaker 1: we could cover them. Later went on to say, there

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Speaker 1: your point, Eric, I think coach is this is this

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Speaker 1: is what he believes, and that's their process, and that's

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Speaker 1: what they did. They improved to three and two. They

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Speaker 1: have the Denver Broncos on Monday Night football with an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to go four and two and two and one

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Speaker 1: in the division. There's a lot of mediocrity in the

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Speaker 1: who knew? Right, the NFC East except for Washington, everybody

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Speaker 1: else four and ozer or five and zero, four and one,

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Speaker 1: the football, and we can get into that game later

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Speaker 1: on in this podcast. But Haley, if you would have

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Speaker 1: told me the Chargers, dead last in rushing offense, would

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Speaker 1: Austin Eckler kind of set the tone with the seventy

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Speaker 1: ton of credit for not only keeping justin clean, but

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what you saw yesterday. I think

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Speaker 1: to that offensive line, and maybe again they faced some injuries,

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Speaker 1: I think is just cohesion and working together. Again, we've

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Speaker 1: at least Zion and now you have saw you're in

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Speaker 1: this game against Cleveland last year, you know, what are

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Speaker 1: or something like that. I think. But uh, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right. That's sort of the beauty of the

431
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: NFL that it's a week to weekly gets the ultimate

432
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: reality shows, I like to say. And every week you

433
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Speaker 1: get a kid, you get a guy who might come in,

434
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where he came from. But if he has

435
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Speaker 1: the performance like he has, that's incredible. And yeah, you

436
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: mentioned it, he got a game ball. Good for him.

437
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Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say, Eric, is it twenty eight

438
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Speaker 1: yard field goal, twenty five yard field goal, twenty seven

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Speaker 1: yard field goal. That means that the red zone offense

440
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: wasn't punching it in. So you know, if they were

441
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Speaker 1: forty and fifty, it'd be one thing. The red zone

442
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: offense he used to convert gets six instead of three. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was going to touch on that. Props the Taylor

444
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I wouldn't even call him a

445
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Speaker 1: backup kicker because he only got here on Thursday. It

446
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 1: wasn't like he was around, you know, I mean, he

447
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Speaker 1: just I don't even know where he was on Monday

448
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: last week, but he was here. Yeah. Propped to him

449
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: coming up clutch. Yeah, the red zone offense kind of

450
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: stalled out. We mentioned the seventy one yard run that

451
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Speaker 1: led to a field goal, and at the time it

452
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: was fourteen nothing. We're down fourteen nothing, and I wondered, man,

453
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Speaker 1: like we really needed seven there to get back in it.

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Speaker 1: It worked out because you know, after going down fourteen nothing,

455
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Speaker 1: we rallied back to I think the seventeen not answered,

456
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: which which is good, good fight. Like, I mean, I

457
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: think that's one thing that got locked a little bit

458
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: yesterday was you know, the crazy ending and the rushing

459
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: attack and all that we were down fourteen nothing. And

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Speaker 1: we could have folded, but we didn't, and I think

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Speaker 1: that the credit to the team for getting up off

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Speaker 1: the mat and fighting back. But yeah, on the flip

463
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Speaker 1: side of that too, if you turn the under thirty

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Speaker 1: yard field goals into touchdown, then we're not talking about

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Speaker 1: the fourth and two at the end of the game,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, we're just talking about how great they offense

467
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Speaker 1: did when they scored, you know, forty plus points in

468
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: a tough place to play. All right, guys, let's push

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Speaker 1: you forward to Denver and Haley. We talked about this

470
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Speaker 1: on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, how we

471
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Speaker 1: can look ahead a little bit, and you looked back

472
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Speaker 1: to back road situation with Houston and Cleveland, and if

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Speaker 1: you win both of them, you're three and two. All

474
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you got the Broncos on Monday Night

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Speaker 1: football in your place with a chance to go four

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Speaker 1: and two and two and one in the division. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly how it's played out. I will say this about Denver,

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Speaker 1: for as poor as they've looked offensively, they've been really

479
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Speaker 1: good on defense. I know they have a lot of injuries,

480
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: but Russell Wilson and company have had to hear about

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Speaker 1: how poor they've been over this first quarter of the season,

482
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have ten days before Monday and night football,

483
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: So a METI buy for them, and you can expect

484
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Speaker 1: their best shot. Yeah. I have no idea what to

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Speaker 1: make of the Denver Broncos. I am just perplexed that

486
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: Thursday night game was so crazy. But I'll say this,

487
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: and it's to piggyback off of what you said. I

488
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: don't think they want to get embarrassed on national television again,

489
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: and I think they are going to give their best effort.

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00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: The Broncos have been one of those teams with the

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Speaker 1: Chargers over the last couple of years. You split like

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Speaker 1: that's been sort of a win loss, kind of one

493
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Speaker 1: in one situation. And as we got into this season,

494
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: you know, you have this weird feeling of, well, now

495
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: they actually have a quarterback, like a very competent Super

496
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Bowl winning quarterback who doesn't really look like it at

497
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Speaker 1: this point right now. And I know he's dealing with

498
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 1: some shoulder stuff or whatever it is, but it just

499
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Speaker 1: seems to me that I just don't think they're going

500
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Speaker 1: to lay down and die like I think at some

501
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: point they're probably going to turn it around the AFC

502
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: West is so freaking weird. I mean, bottom line, you

503
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: just never know what's going to happen week to week.

504
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: But defensively, you mention it, they are very good, and

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00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: they did deal with some injuries, but again they had

506
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Speaker 1: that Thursday night game. They're on this mini buy, you know,

507
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Speaker 1: kind of like with Herbert and the rib cartilage, he

508
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: had that extra time to try to hopefully get back,

509
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Speaker 1: which he did against Jacksonville. You think that maybe they're

510
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Speaker 1: going to get some of these guys back, But I

511
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: just think that you just can't count this team out

512
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: regardless of how Like I said, I don't know what

513
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: to make of them at this point. Offensively, defensively they're

514
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: pretty good, but you just can't look at this as

515
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Speaker 1: sort of a cakewalk despite what we may have all

516
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Speaker 1: have seen a couple like a Thursday ago, because again,

517
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: these two teams are just it's just so weird. Divisional

518
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: games are just so weird, and you have to go

519
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: in just knowing they're kind of a wounded animal right

520
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: now that again does not want to get embarrassed because

521
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: they have had to hear for ten days what's been

522
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: going on with them and in their building, and there

523
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that were like, we never

524
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Speaker 1: want to see the Broncos on national television again. We'll

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00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: congrats you get it on Monday Night against the Chargers,

526
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Speaker 1: and I just don't. I just don't see them having

527
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Speaker 1: that same type of performance unless you know, they just

528
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: aren't very good. But I think that game will tell

529
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 1: you a lot, and you just certainly have to be

530
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: on top of it. And I think from the Chargers

531
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: defensive perspective, you have to be on it. You have

532
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: to be on it from the get go. An offensive

533
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: you need to find ways to find creases in that defense,

534
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: because they were pretty good. They were pretty good against

535
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: against the Colts a couple of weeks. You know, however,

536
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: many days ago Eric would give you the final word here.

537
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: And you know, for as tough as it's been for

538
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: the Charges to get to this point at three and

539
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: two m I feel like these first five games almost

540
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: has felt like a season, right the three and two.

541
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Speaker 1: If you beat the Broncos on Monday Football, you're four

542
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: and two, and two and one in the AFC West,

543
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks at your place before you go to

544
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: the by it's a it's a golden opportunity to get

545
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: to five and two with frankly not playing your best

546
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: ball and being able to reset for a really tough

547
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: back half of this twenty twenty two regular season schedule. Yeah,

548
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, for as much as we a

549
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, looked at the two game road

550
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: stretch of huge in Cleveland, Okay, this is kind of

551
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: a big, big opportunity to get above five hundred, to

552
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: get to three and two. These next two home games,

553
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: they're almost in the same basket of Hey, keep it

554
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: going for two more weeks, you know, get pretty much

555
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: give it all you have before you get to the buy,

556
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: because that the buy, you can have your break and

557
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: your rest. But if you can win the next two

558
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: and you're five and two at the buy, that look,

559
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: that looked pretty solid considering the injury, then the crazy

560
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: games and just like you said, the chaos of the

561
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: first you know, five seven games, whatever it is, Yeah,

562
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: it feels like a season. I mean, I'm tired already

563
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: and it's who are not even at mid October yet? Um,

564
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: you know I need that buy for sure. Maybe it's

565
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: that baby at home that's keeping me awake, but yeah,

566
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, that's um. It's a big two game stretch.

567
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: And in terms of the Broncos, I don't think you

568
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: can count them out. Like Hayley said, like you have

569
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: to throw out the record throughout the numbers. Anything can

570
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: happen when you play teams in the FT West. I

571
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: think they're gonna come out strong, and I think I'm

572
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: an agreement with hay The Chargers need to be ready

573
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: to go because the national perception maybe of Denver right

574
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: now with oh, you know, they're they're they're struggling, you know,

575
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna hear about that. They're gonna come

576
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: and fired up, and we have to be ready for

577
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: that for sure. Yeah, Monday Night Football Chargers a big stage.

578
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: They get to three and two and the three wins

579
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: all coming against AFC opponents, which could mean something as

580
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: we get closer to January if the Chargers are in contention.

581
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: But looking forward to Monday Night at so Far Stadium,

582
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: it's always fun when this team is on a national

583
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: stage and you add in an AFC West opponent and

584
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and everything that that brings. Should be interesting

585
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: in Englewood next Monday Night. All right, guys, it's gonna

586
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Speaker 1: do it for us, for Eric Smith and Haleio Wood.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hayry. This has been the final drive