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Speaker 1: of course it comes out of a very horrible tragedy.

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Speaker 1: the American Board of Trial Advocate Steve, Who the hell

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Speaker 1: other judge may have let him out. Well, that's still

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Speaker 1: I haven't talked about COVID in a while, And remember

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Speaker 1: the California budget debacle. How did we go from a

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Speaker 1: not just on the economy. A lot of people said,

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Speaker 1: who cares about the economy, We're here to save lives.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it did save lives among some people who

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Speaker 1: when we went into full lockdown. But they never really

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Speaker 1: talked about what you've got in this research was this

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Speaker 1: idea of excess deaths that were non COVID. You talk

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Speaker 1: about suicide and drug overdoses and as you said, people

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Speaker 1: that had hard condition and diabetes. They never really considered

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Speaker 1: in worse shape because of the lockdowns. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a little worse. They didn't consider it. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: refused to look this research that we were thankfully able

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Speaker 1: to publish this summer. I had sent that in for

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Speaker 1: publication in twenty twenty and they said, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to see this. We don't think you're writing the numbers

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Speaker 1: were fuzzier than and everything. But we were already seeing

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Speaker 1: evidence that we were getting a lot of abnormal deaths

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Speaker 1: weren't have anything to do with the virus killing the person.

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Speaker 1: And you were still singing into twenty twenty two, apparently,

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Speaker 1: according to your research, seeing these excess deaths that were

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Speaker 1: non COVID. Hunh. Yeah. I mean the certificates are maintained

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Speaker 1: by the States, and they're sending them into the CTC

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Speaker 1: where I and anyone else who wants to log on

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Speaker 1: there can see and we have a pretty good picture

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Speaker 1: of the first half of twenty twenty two now, and

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Speaker 1: it looks, unfortunately like twenty twenty one elevated. Really, all

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Speaker 1: these categories that I mentioned are elevated. I'm concerned. I

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Speaker 1: saw some numbers the other day on traffic accidents, you know, fatals,

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Speaker 1: traffic accidents continued. I think the headline is traffic accidents

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Speaker 1: in the first half of twenty two declined by point

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Speaker 1: two percent, so basically they were the same as in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, which was an outrageously high level. And

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned that cancer deaths are going to start rising

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Speaker 1: early and weren't getting the treatment as early. I'm worried

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Speaker 1: that they're going to start to show up as fatalities

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Speaker 1: from this too. Did think if we ever have another

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Speaker 1: thing hit the world like COVID problem, that they'll they'll

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Speaker 1: America knows that we should not do that again. Whether

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Speaker 1: there are enough to carry the day in the policy

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's an open question. I sure hope

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Speaker 1: they are. It's going to be hard. I think for

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Speaker 1: people who were in charge to learn lessons. It's always

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Speaker 1: hard for people to say they were wrong. But hopefully

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Speaker 1: a new generation of people in the policy area will

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Speaker 1: be a more open mind if they're looking at how

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Speaker 1: we actually suffered from that. Casey Mulligan, thanks for talking

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Speaker 1: to appreciate it, have a good day, you'd see. He's

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Speaker 1: an economics profession at the University of Chicago, and he

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Speaker 1: did some research along with a colleague to show what

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Speaker 1: we've talked about a lot, at least certainly back in

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Speaker 1: twenty and twenty twenty one, the idea of excess deaths,

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Speaker 1: those non COVID deaths, people that had all sorts of

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Speaker 1: problems with drugs or alcohol, or hypertension or heart disease

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Speaker 1: and they didn't get the medical treatment they needed because

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Speaker 1: of the harsh lockdowns and shure enough, they found that

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Speaker 1: those numbers did jump during these lockdown periods. More coming up,

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Speaker 1: John and Ken Kfi Am six forty Live Everywhere the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app after two o'clock, My guessful. Republican Assemblyman Jim

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Speaker 1: Patterson from Fresno, who knows a lot about what goes

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Speaker 1: on in Sacramento. Unfortunately, most of it is awful. We

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Speaker 1: mentioned yesterday that the California state budget that got passed

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Speaker 1: When Jerry Brown was in office in twenty eleven, his

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Speaker 1: first state budget was ninety eight billion. By twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: it had crossed two hundred billion, one hundred hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten percent increase in eight years. And now it's a

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Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollar budget, and we're losing people. And

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Speaker 1: life is so much better because of all this money

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Speaker 1: in the budget, isn't it. It's really working wonders around

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Speaker 1: the state with the homeless and the crime and the

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Speaker 1: awful roads. Anyway, Jim will also talk about press conference

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Speaker 1: some Republicans held today asking the state to do something

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Speaker 1: with water storage. These storms. We got to capture more

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Speaker 1: of this water. We're lucky that the snowpack melt slowly.

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Speaker 1: We can grab that. But all this wrenching downpour water.

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Speaker 1: And there was a ballot measure in twenty fourteen, as

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Speaker 1: with the water storage projects, not one of them has started,

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Speaker 1: so Jim will have all the details on this after

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Speaker 1: the news at two o'clock. Well, I got to bother

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Speaker 1: the animal lady for this shocking story. Yeah, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: afraid I'm on your side here. I don't like this,

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Speaker 1: but it is religion clashing with I guess you could

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Speaker 1: call it an animal's right to life. How's that sound.

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Speaker 1: It is a city council in a suburb of Detroit

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Speaker 1: Hamtrack City Council. They voted three to two to allow

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Speaker 1: people to sacrifice animals for religious purpose. That's insane, I understand.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're going to live in this country, yes,

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Speaker 1: you have religious freedoms, but there has to be a

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Speaker 1: limit to how far your religion and its ancient beliefs

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Speaker 1: can go in taking the life of animals for some

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Speaker 1: sort of I don't know mythical belief you have about

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Speaker 1: what it means what we're talking about, probably Deborah. They're

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Speaker 1: somewhat high on my hierarchy. Goats and sheep. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: like goats and sheep. Well, apparently this particular suburb of

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Speaker 1: Detroit is rather Muslim and they have their holidays. Yes,

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Speaker 1: one of them was what Ada and apparently that's what

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Speaker 1: people do. They slaughter goats or sheep. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: take pictures of goats and sheep and then shred them? Now? Yes, oh,

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Speaker 1: why don't you go to the council with that compromise idea.

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Speaker 1: I would love to do that. Yeah, let's just shred

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Speaker 1: pictures as our Well, it's not. The director of the

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Speaker 1: Michigan Brands of the Council and American Islamic Relations explained,

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Speaker 1: this is when Muslims recognize Abraham sacrificing as sheep instead

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Speaker 1: of having to sacrifice his son, if you remember the

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Speaker 1: Old Testament and such a So that's sort of still

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Speaker 1: being practiced. So you're telling me that they still believe that,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a homage to God instead of taking

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Speaker 1: my son, I'm going to chop this goat's head off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we need to evolve a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: It's cruel. We figure out something else to do. They

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Speaker 1: do say that the meat is not wasted. They share

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Speaker 1: it with family, friends, and poor people. So we already

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Speaker 1: have animals being killed for me, Debora, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: it does happen. It's not like we're going to be

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but you know how I feel about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd like to stop that too, Yes, of course. And then,

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Speaker 1: as I like to tell people, meet consumption seems to

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Speaker 1: grow a bit every year in the United States. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: stakes having quite a run again with people. People are

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Speaker 1: missing out. There's some really, really good vegetables out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can keep passing that message, but I think it

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Speaker 1: hits a wall when somebody gets a nice juicy steak

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Speaker 1: in front of them. But apparently this was a bit

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Speaker 1: of a well, anyway, you're gonna have to notify the city,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to pay a fee, and it's possible

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Speaker 1: they'll come to your property to inspect. They have a

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Speaker 1: population of twenty eight thousand in the suburb, more than

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Speaker 1: half of the residents of Yemeny or they're from Bangladesh.

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Speaker 1: And I guess it was important to this city council

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Speaker 1: that they have their right to sacrifice goats and sheep.

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Speaker 1: But I think there comes a point where maybe we

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Speaker 1: just have to say, you know, this is not really

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Speaker 1: what we do in an evolved country. Yes, we respect

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Speaker 1: your right to your religious beliefs, but some of them

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Speaker 1: are a little weird and a little ancient, completely outdated,

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Speaker 1: And I guess in this case cruel yes exclamation mark, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I you know. But you can't make somebody the

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Speaker 1: arbitrur as to what people's religious customs that should be

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Speaker 1: kept in which I could do it if you want

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Speaker 1: me to. I could tell you which ones are really

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Speaker 1: outdated and silly and if they were done, they were done,

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Speaker 1: you know, thousands of years ago, that maybe you need

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Speaker 1: to just rethink. Right, We've evolved in other ways, so

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Speaker 1: why not evolved in stop sacrificing animals? All right? Coming

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Speaker 1: up next, my guest is State assembly Member Jim Patterson,

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Speaker 1: the Republican from Fresno, talk about the awful state budget,

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Speaker 1: the deficits is coming, and the lack of spending on

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Speaker 1: water storage with all this rain coming down. John and

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Speaker 1: Ken kf I Am six forty Live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: We got Deborah Mark of the News Now