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Speaker 1: He can do equally well NFL discussion or college football.

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Speaker 1: He's always a treat on our show, Robert Griffin Third

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Speaker 1: RG three called b YU Cincinnati on Saturday. There's so

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Speaker 1: many topics here. Let's just get that. I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: just get it out of the way. When Tim Tebow

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Speaker 1: came into the league, I was like, come on, give

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Speaker 1: me a break. You know. It's just it's it's fun,

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Speaker 1: it's a great story. And there's some of that with Chador.

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Speaker 1: The difference is Shador can play. Chador can make an

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Speaker 1: FL throws. My take is I think think he needs

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Speaker 1: a little bit more self awareness.

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Speaker 3: I think a little more maturity.

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Speaker 1: But he grew up. I mean he does, but he

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Speaker 1: grew up as a rich kid with his famous dad.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not a normal life like the

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Speaker 1: rest of us live right. So but I will say this,

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Speaker 1: he provides something. Dylan Gabriel, in my opinion, did not

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Speaker 1: big downfield throws. That's and to me, I would just

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Speaker 1: let him run the seat. I've seen Dylan. He stabilized

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Speaker 1: the offense.

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Speaker 3: I kind of like I'd give I'd give shit or

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Speaker 3: the season. What say you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would do the same and listen I had.

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Speaker 4: I have a relationship with every quarterback that has been

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Speaker 4: there this season for the clean Browns. Joe Flack was

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Speaker 4: teammates with him in Baltimore. No Canny Pickett really really well,

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Speaker 4: no Dylan Well and no shder Well. And when you

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Speaker 4: watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose,

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Speaker 4: and more excitement than they have all season long because

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Speaker 4: of his ability to make the extended play and with

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Speaker 4: that comes mistakes. He'd do a bad interception, but he

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Speaker 4: bounced back really well off of it. And when I

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Speaker 4: watched him playing, you saw Miles Garrett's reaction on the

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Speaker 4: sideline when he throws that deep shot Tizda bomb. They

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Speaker 4: weren't reacting like that with any other quarterback in the game.

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Speaker 4: So I think he has the pulse of the team,

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Speaker 4: the pulse of the city and some of that self

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Speaker 4: awareness you're talking about.

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Speaker 5: He is self aware that he believes.

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Speaker 4: He is going to be successful, so he speaks confidently,

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Speaker 4: he walks around confidently, and that is why he's not

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Speaker 4: afraid to make those types of throws deep down the field,

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Speaker 4: because he is not afraid of the potential mistakes, which

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Speaker 4: you can't say that for every other quarterback that's been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is something Robert about the locker rooms.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember talking to players who played with Michael

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Speaker 1: Vick and they were like, man, Michael made you feel

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Speaker 1: bigger and faster. Like Michael was like, you know, Michael,

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, you'd play better defense because you're like,

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Speaker 1: just give Michael, just give Michael one more possession. You're

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Speaker 1: saying that it's a real thing with certain players.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 4: And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches

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Speaker 4: is because he is going to do what you ask

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Speaker 4: him to do and he's gonna get it done right.

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Speaker 4: But coaching the difference. I always believe this, Colum. The

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Speaker 4: difference between coaching and playing is the players know how

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Speaker 4: to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional.

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Speaker 4: They never drew up that play that deep shots Isaiah

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Speaker 4: bond and said, all right, Sadar, what we want you

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Speaker 4: to do is when they pressure escape the pocket, immediately

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Speaker 5: That was not in the game plan.

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Speaker 4: Okay, But great players, guys who have a good feel

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Speaker 4: for the game, they find their ways into those types

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Speaker 4: But those are plays that Dylan Gabriel isn't making because

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Speaker 4: he is such like a coaching one on one type

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Speaker 4: the bad from Shadur. That screen pass for a touchdown

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Speaker 5: Some of his unconventional playmaking.

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Speaker 4: As well, because he will make the team feel bigger

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Speaker 5: He the defense had ten sacks.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a byproduct if they were excited to

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Speaker 1: A team I think is really good is Seattle now

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Speaker 1: they didn't eat the Rams, but nobody. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: JSN is about to break an all time NFL record

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Speaker 1: if he keeps it up. So I want you to

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Speaker 1: tell me, you do college and pro what makes him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know. I do love to quote

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Speaker 4: We talked about this off air. He has a knack

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Speaker 4: He's so confident in that regard that when the ball

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Speaker 4: make the next play. He caught that pass down the

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Speaker 5: He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there.

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Speaker 4: He's catching the ball and he's like, how do I

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Speaker 4: get to the end zone? To me, his ability to

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Speaker 4: do those things is what makes him a quarterback's best friend.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be on time, he's going to be

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Speaker 4: in rhythm, he's going to be open, he's going to

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Speaker 4: going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the thing with Caleb is four straight games

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Speaker 1: under sixty percent. I always feel like the bigger ceiling

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Speaker 1: you have. I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: If you can throw him or run like Cam don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't need sixty eight. If you're Drew Brees, I

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Speaker 1: don't get the movement. So Caleb hit sixty one and

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Speaker 3: I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: He does miss stuff, Let me ask you is accuracy?

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Speaker 1: How correctable is it? Some things? Some guys in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: John Morant was a never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook,

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Speaker 1: it's worked his tailoff. He's not, but right like, some

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Speaker 1: things are correctible and some guys are never great shooters.

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Speaker 1: When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just

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Speaker 3: Listen, don't worry about it. You're getting so much upside.

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Speaker 1: If you gets sixty one percent, that's gravy on top

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Speaker 1: of everything else.

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Speaker 3: How do you view that?

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Speaker 4: I view it as I'm gonna say this and pem

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Speaker 5: But accuracy a myth?

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Speaker 4: If I you just saw that ball he threw behind

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Speaker 4: the tight end. But if he throws that and puts

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Speaker 4: that ball in the right place, the right place might

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Speaker 5: The right place might be his back shoulder.

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Speaker 4: When he's running full speed, to in his front shoulder being.

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Speaker 5: The right side of his body.

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Speaker 4: Accuracy to me is always dependent upon where the defense

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Speaker 4: is and what you're trying to get the receiver to do.

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Speaker 4: So where I think his sixty one percent completion percentage

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Speaker 4: which drives down his completion percentage. Do you want a

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Speaker 4: guy that's going to be a checkdown Charlie. Do you

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Speaker 4: want a guy that is not going to take those

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is. I think

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Speaker 4: he's aggressive by nature, and what Ben Johnson has been

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Speaker 4: able to accomplish with him is eliminate those negative plays

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Speaker 4: that I heard you talking about earlier on this show.

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Speaker 4: I think their relationship is perfect because what Caleb gives him.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned this about Jared Golf. Jared, if it's there

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Speaker 5: and you scheme it up, he's gonna hit it.

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Speaker 4: Caleb gives you the ability that when you get into

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, it's no longer about just the exes and

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Speaker 5: It's about the Jimmies and the Joe's.

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Speaker 4: And Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joe's

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Speaker 4: that is going to make a play that is going

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Speaker 4: to make your jaw hit the ground. And you need

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Speaker 4: that at the quarterback position. And I think they just

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Speaker 4: have that perfect match of Okay, let me get into

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Speaker 4: need to do and then when it's time to be superman,

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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams can do that as well.

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Speaker 3: All Right, a couple of college questions.

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Speaker 1: Because you're so good at this, I said, I said,

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Speaker 1: if you don't have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall Street,

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Speaker 3: In the NFL, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Go poach Andy Reider, Sean Payton weaky, but in coverage

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Speaker 3: And LSU didn't give a rip about Old Miss.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't have if you don't have stipulations,

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Speaker 1: regulations or roadblocks, well I'm just gonna go buy your coach.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame the individual, I blame the sport or

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 3: Is their loyalty? Am I being? You know? I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be Pollyanna about it, but it's

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Speaker 1: like I I just think in life, smart aggressive people,

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Speaker 1: if you don't have regulations are going to be aggressive.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna blame Lane. How do you view it?

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Speaker 5: No, I think you're one hundred percent right there, Colin.

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Speaker 4: It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the

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Speaker 4: price is similar. Okay, if all Miss is coming to

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Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin saying, hey, you've done a great job here,

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Speaker 4: You've built this program. Back up, We're a national title

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Speaker 4: contender year after year now with you being at the Helm,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to offer you eighty five million dollars

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Speaker 4: to be our coach, well, then I think Lane Kiffin

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Speaker 4: go to Florida. But if they're saying, hey, here's ninety

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Speaker 4: million dollars over here at another school and the school

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Speaker 4: there's no loyalty there. And I think anyone that is

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Speaker 1: Okay, finally, it's not that USC lost. Winning at Otson

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Speaker 5: I do think they are close.

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Speaker 4: So I don't look at this to make excuses for Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to throw it out there. I

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Speaker 4: this Colin. If Michigan beats Ohio State, I think the

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Speaker 1: You're saying it like you gave it a big old possibility,

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Speaker 4: And listen, I got no bias, I got no dog

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Speaker 3: Robert always a pleasure, my friend.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you, brother.

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Speaker 3: He's so good on that stuff. Can go NFL, go college.

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Speaker 1: The JSN stuff is it's just crazy. The wide receiver

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Speaker 1: I was gonna call management cut him back an hour

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Speaker 1: give him three Tomorrow it's anybody's guests, it's the Hurt.

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Speaker 1: I was watching the Rams last night. You have to

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have got if you're gonna pay Stafford

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Speaker 3: And I mean they they they have done such a

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Speaker 3: They got a manual Forbes off waivers.

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Speaker 1: For a nickel and these guys, I mean, I mean Davante,

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Speaker 3: That is so miss on defense. They are right now.

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Speaker 1: Devonte Adams leaves the NFL in receiving touchdowns and he's

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Speaker 3: It's not like he's the only option. So you watch

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Speaker 1: We always talk about Philadelphia's roster, Emmanuel Forbes, Nate Lammon,

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Speaker 3: Fuel to it. It is a great roster. J Mack

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Speaker 8: You know, we haven't talked about the Jets. Ravens thriller

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Speaker 8: Baltimore was down bad at halftime Colins. They had three points.

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Speaker 8: The offense could do nothing. The Jets defense, which lost

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Lamar did not look particularly sharp thirteen of twenty three

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Speaker 3: He's not healthy. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's healthy.

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Speaker 5: I feel I would just need to execute, you know,

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Speaker 7: He were saying, you don't think he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: don't know their offense has no rhythm. I don't know

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Speaker 8: It was a lot of Lamar running around and throwing

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Speaker 3: It's not good.

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Speaker 8: Something's going on now, quick news. They will face Cincinnati

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Speaker 8: Thanksgiving night. Joe Burrow it's been announced he's gonna play,

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Speaker 8: But if you know, if Pittsburgh wins, they get right

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Speaker 8: back in the mix to win the division.

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Speaker 7: Everybody thinks it's gonna be the Ravens.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 8: I got to see more from that offense, Colin I

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Speaker 8: don't even know that they're like a dangerous team in

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Speaker 8: the postseason based on what I've seen with Lamar getting back.

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Speaker 7: Do you think they're dangerous or no?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean right now, they're not.

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Speaker 1: They are I mean explosive Raven teams have struggled in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. This doesn't even this isn't even mit forget explosive.

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Speaker 1: Right now, they don't have an identity. They're not as elusive.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a They're a hard watch they.

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Speaker 8: Can flip the switch at any moment, though, once Lamar

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Speaker 8: starts getting into high gear, we'll see if that happens.

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Speaker 7: Next up Drake May and the Patriots.

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Speaker 8: I would go off on Vrabel costing me money because

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Speaker 8: of his inability to call play inside the five yard line.

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Speaker 8: Colin New England did not look good and they had

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Speaker 8: to pick six. They do get to win twenty six

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Speaker 8: twenty Is this playing down to your competition or what?

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Speaker 8: Because they did not look good at all?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're not going to play Listen, they

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Speaker 1: had been on a streak for two months. They're still young.

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Speaker 1: Yeah so, I mean you go on the road in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, you got four or five guys missing on

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Speaker 1: one side of the ball. Your offensive line had a

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Speaker 1: couple of guys carted off. They did, the entire left

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Speaker 1: side of the line was started off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I just think you won.

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Speaker 3: I don't care what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: You know, in September October, it's just easier to play football.

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Speaker 1: Your rosters full, and the weather's great, and people haven't

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Speaker 1: seen all your fun stuff. And then everybody's seen your stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're missing four starters Bears yesterday missed the entire linebacking court.

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Speaker 1: Now is when you see where coaching comes into play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the reasons the ram are so

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Speaker 1: good right now. They're healthy and you know people are missing.

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Speaker 1: A lot of teams are missing eight to nine star Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess the Rams are missing a tight end, but

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Speaker 1: they've got three good ones behind it, so it's a

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Speaker 1: win to win. allD lines beat up, they're fine. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say this.

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Speaker 8: They had seven plays in the game from the one

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Speaker 8: yard line. Do you know how many times they scored

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Speaker 8: a touchdown on them? Zero?

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Speaker 3: Colin?

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Speaker 7: That is troubling.

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Speaker 8: Josh McDaniel says, he's been around the block.

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Speaker 7: Do you're telling me he had no good plays at

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Speaker 7: the one yard line? That is a little troublesome for me.

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Speaker 8: Stevenson, I don't know that they can trust that guy

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Speaker 8: in a big playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But I'll just say this, hopefully they get.

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Speaker 8: To buy because I don't even know that they're a

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Speaker 8: lock to win one playoff game.

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Speaker 3: Coling, we'll see.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I like me as much as the next guy,

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Speaker 8: but yeah, we'll see final stories. The Detroit Lions, their

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Speaker 8: offense was not great. The interior offensive line just crumbling

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Speaker 8: against the g Men, but Jamier gives save their bacon

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Speaker 8: two hundred and nineteen yards on the ground plus another

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Speaker 8: forty five through the air.

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Speaker 3: He looked like a.

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Speaker 8: Blur on the turf indoors the Monster game, first line

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Speaker 8: to rush for over two hundred yards. Since Barry Sanders

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Speaker 8: Lions did need overtime did not cover. They should have

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Speaker 8: lost this game. The New York Giants cannot do anything

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Speaker 8: when it had.

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Speaker 1: The Giants fired their defensive coordinator and should have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I could be wrong. Just off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head, I think the Giants have led

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Speaker 1: five games in the.

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Speaker 7: Fourth quarter, at least four. I don't know about five,

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Speaker 7: but no.

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Speaker 3: I mean they cannot make stops.

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Speaker 1: It was if you're gonna judge Mike Kafka, you can't

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Speaker 1: do it on wins and losses, because I if you're

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Speaker 1: considering him, I'm gonna do it on overall performance. I

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Speaker 1: thought the Giants played their butt off. They don't have Dart,

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Speaker 1: they don't have Scataboo, they don't have Molikue neighbors. I

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Speaker 1: thought the Giants played their tail off. Listen, Mike Kafka,

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Speaker 1: I would almost count.

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Speaker 3: That as a win. He did his job.

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Speaker 1: The offense was excellent, the effort was amazing, the passion

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Speaker 1: was I mean even the trick played at Jamis.

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Speaker 8: I well, oh here the kafka A lot of credit.

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Speaker 8: Jameis Winston played out of his mind. Colin, here's my thing.

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Speaker 8: How did Brian Dabole look at Winston, Dart and Russell

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Speaker 8: Wilson and start Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 7: To begin the season.

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Speaker 8: James Winston looks better than Rusted At any point this season.

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Speaker 3: Winston was out there balling.

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Speaker 7: I was stunned. I can't.

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Speaker 8: I mean, honestly, I don't want to go overboard on

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Speaker 8: one game. But did Jamis not to you look like

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Speaker 8: somebody who could compete for a starting spot on one

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Speaker 8: of these bad teams?

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Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean there are quarterbacks that I'll build around,

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Speaker 1: and there are quarterbacks for a year I would start

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Speaker 1: bridge guy. Yeah, I think Jamis is a clear bridge quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But he's always been productive. It's not a matter of

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Speaker 1: size arm. He likes to throw the ball down the field.

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Speaker 1: He's not a Dan dunk guy, and he's kind of

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Speaker 1: a joyful human being, Like he's not gonna have a

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Speaker 1: huge ego, A little goofy. But whatever, he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a good broadcasting career. He's full of you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's full of personality. But here to Giants have blown

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Speaker 1: six fourth quarter leads. Five in the fourth quarter they

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Speaker 1: had a lead of ten plus points, so.

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Speaker 3: That's why they fired.

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Speaker 7: So who's that on that? I mean, it can't all

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Speaker 7: be on table now he got Katska doing it.

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Speaker 5: No, it's the DC.

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Speaker 3: You just got camped J Mack with the news. Well

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Speaker 3: that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the lie.

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Speaker 1: I want to play a Miles Garrett comment here in

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Speaker 1: a second. You know I said this before. When when

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Speaker 1: when Tim Tebow went on a winning streak. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live literally did a bit on it. It

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Speaker 1: was Matt Prater's kicks in the Great defense. He'd be

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Speaker 1: terrible for three and a half quarters. His team would trail,

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Speaker 1: but they were within reach because the Broncos defense and

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Speaker 1: kicking game was so good. But there was a fanaticism.

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Speaker 1: There was that conspiracy theory. Nobody likes it. It was

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Speaker 1: all nonsense. The difference is Shador can make NFL big

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Speaker 1: Boy Dannfield throws consistently. I think I was as shocked

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Speaker 1: as anybody that he fell to the fifth round. But

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Speaker 1: what I watched yesterday, to be honest, it felt a

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Speaker 1: little like Colorado is that he has bad throws in

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Speaker 1: a terrible pick. He missed people badly. But he you know,

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Speaker 1: he he doesn't lack confidence. He'll throw the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field. And Miles Garrett on one of his bigger throws, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, he put it up and I'm just like, oh God,

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Speaker 6: who is I even going to and he drops it

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Speaker 6: in the bucket and I'm just like wow that There's

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Speaker 6: not many guys in lead that can make that throw.

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Speaker 6: So does a hell of a throw. No, I hope

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Speaker 6: he can con see to no grow and develop, you

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Speaker 6: know from making plays like that, and uh, they'll take

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Speaker 6: it from there.

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Speaker 1: And that three throws twenty five yards or more downfield. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's one more than Dylan Gabriel had thrown all year.

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Speaker 1: I thought RG three nailed it. Coaches love Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: He'll settle the offense, he'll complete the pass, He'll do

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Speaker 1: what's drawn up shoulder like Caleb, though without Caleb's horsepower,

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Speaker 1: Shade are sometime going to do his own thing. But

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Speaker 1: you're gonna take big swings and you go strike out

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Speaker 1: more big swings. And there are certain coaches, certain offensive

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Speaker 1: coaches well and defensive coaches. They didn't want you going

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Speaker 1: too much off script, and so they're you know, coaches

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Speaker 1: like I mean, I think Kevin Stefanski says, our defense

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Speaker 1: is really good, don't turn the ball over, and we

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Speaker 1: can beat Green Bay, and they did. So Shaduur is

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Speaker 1: not always going to be a coaches because Shadur will

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Speaker 1: add lib but he doesn't have the Steve Young, the far,

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Speaker 1: the Caleb, the cam, the ability to make place.

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Speaker 3: He's a decent athlete, not a great athlete.

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Speaker 1: But here was Stefanski announcing earlier today Shadoor is the

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Speaker 1: official starting quarterback going forward.

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Speaker 5: Shador will start this week. Obviously. You know number one job.

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Speaker 9: At quarterback is to win, so excited to get that

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Speaker 9: first win under his belt. And then next thing is

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Speaker 9: improvement and that's what young players do, certainly young quarterbacks

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Speaker 9: do you get one game better and that's just from

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Speaker 9: from working at it.

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Speaker 1: And all you Browns fans that are critical of Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: If he got fired, he would be out of work

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Speaker 1: for five minutes. Five minutes Stefanski would have hired by

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Speaker 1: the time Jimmy Haslam said you're fired. He wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: fired finished and Stefanski'd have a job. So the guy

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Speaker 1: knows what he's DoD. I thought the game plan yesterday,

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Speaker 1: rolling him out, you know,