Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
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Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics, my poor sick friend, Rick Wilson.
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, I want to talk about last night's spicy
Speaker 1: AFT after hours hearing. On Thursday night, when the Freedom
Speaker 1: Caucus was done spending the day with Donald J. Trump
Speaker 1: at his criminal trial, they came back to hold a
Speaker 1: late night hearing to complain about I don't know.
Speaker 3: Go first off, and folks, I'm going to apologize I
Speaker 3: have pneumonia right now and for the good of the order,
Speaker 3: I'm still doing the show. Yeah, so I sound like
Speaker 3: dragged over ass, But here we go. There is no
Speaker 3: pleasure in the world greater than seeing a bully get
Speaker 3: smacked in the face. And Marjorie Taylor Green is a terrorist,
Speaker 3: she is an abuser, she is a bully, she's a punk.
Speaker 3: And when she went at Jasmine Crockett during that hearing
Speaker 3: on Thursday night, and folks, this is late at night.
Speaker 3: This is like ten o'clock at night. And so I'm
Speaker 3: sick as a dog. I'm laying there in bed and
Speaker 3: renamed my Fance pokes me. She's like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you have to wake up. You have to watch this clip.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, oh God, kill me now. But no, it
Speaker 3: was so worth it because Margie Taylor Green starts going
Speaker 3: at Jasmine Crockett, saying, oh, your false eyelashes are blocking
Speaker 3: you can't see. She'd already gone at AOC a few
Speaker 3: minutes before, and Jasmine Crockett just said, I believe I
Speaker 3: have exhausted the supply of focks available to me in
Speaker 3: the Greater Washington metropolitan area. And she just went right
Speaker 3: at her. And I got to tell you, do I
Speaker 3: wish we had a world where people in Congress debated
Speaker 3: the key issues and the intellectual framework of their ideas. Sure,
Speaker 3: but in the meantime, every day the Republicans are bringing
Speaker 3: a flamethrower into the room, and sometimes you have to
Speaker 3: punch them right in the face. And that's why watching
Speaker 3: Rask and Swallowell, Moskuwitz Kroc, watching them go after their
Speaker 3: Republican colleagues, when the Republicans come in with these ridiculous
Speaker 3: stud casting ideas and these ridiculous pranks, watching them get
Speaker 3: checked on it is a real pleasure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what was interesting. I mean, so that
Speaker 1: was the oversight hearing about.
Speaker 3: Judge Merchant's daughter. That's what Green claimed it was about,
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Right, But I actually think that it was an issue
Speaker 1: of contempt for Garland over his refusal to turn over
Speaker 1: the audio recordings of Biden's Herr interview.
Speaker 3: All they wanted them for was to leak them to Fox.
Speaker 1: Right, to leak them to Fox already use them in
Speaker 1: some kind of untoward way. But what is interesting was
Speaker 1: that the question that Green asked was trumpy propaganda, which
Speaker 1: a journalist from New York Magazine saw him editing what
Speaker 1: his surrogates were going to say. Outside of the courthouse
Speaker 1: about how Judge Mershon's daughter is paid by Democrats.
Speaker 2: So you see the through line here.
Speaker 1: MTG asked the Democrat if they paid Judge Murshan's daughter.
Speaker 1: So the through line here is that Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 1: is disseminating the trumpy propaganda. And it's not even a hearing,
Speaker 1: it's an oversight hearing, and it's not even about that.
Speaker 3: One thing to remember, Molly is that the Republicans operate
Speaker 3: on a continuity of message all the time. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: rules for Republicans about messaging are absolutely inviable. You must
Speaker 3: stay on message. And the message right now is that
Speaker 3: Trump wants everybody out there beating up on the judge's daughter.
Speaker 3: That's the message. That's all they care about.
Speaker 1: The gag order protects only the family of the judge
Speaker 1: and the DA, not the judge and the DA for
Speaker 1: whom he's allowed to say whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: And look, I don't think anybody is going to mistake
Speaker 3: Donald Trump for somebody who follows the rules, or who
Speaker 3: plays by the rules, or who believes in the rules.
Speaker 3: The gag order technically says that Trump can't induce others
Speaker 3: to violate the rules. Either, and yet he does. Why
Speaker 3: does he get away with it? Well, he gets away
Speaker 3: with it because the judge recognizes he's only got a
Speaker 3: few days of this asshole in his court room left,
Speaker 3: and he didn't end up wanting to be the guy
Speaker 3: who put Donald Trump in prison as much as we
Speaker 3: would have all enjoyed it. Here we are.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a smart move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Mrshawn is trying to run this.
Speaker 1: Trial like a professional, right and also just as carefully
Speaker 1: as possible. Tuesday we had the Speaker in the House
Speaker 1: at the trial and he was doing it. Obviously, Trump
Speaker 1: saved his job. He feels, you know, in Trump world,
Speaker 1: you have to pay back right away. I think this
Speaker 1: has downstream consequences, Like I think that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of voters who see the Speaker of the House
Speaker 1: at the ex president's criminal trial and they're turned off
Speaker 1: by that.
Speaker 2: Am I crazy?
Speaker 3: No, You're not crazy? And actually, look, I'm a big
Speaker 3: fan of the Lol. Nothing matters philosophy, But in this situation,
Speaker 3: what you're seeing is in a country where every single
Speaker 3: day you've got a guy Mike Johnson screaming the border
Speaker 3: is unsecure. We're being overrun. This is a problem. That's
Speaker 3: a problem. Fentanyl this and immigrants that, all this stuff, right,
Speaker 3: all this mania, all these like crazy shout match things
Speaker 3: that they're always involved in, and it's like, Okay, where
Speaker 3: where are you are? Are you actually making any kind
Speaker 3: of effort to fix the problem, You actually try to
Speaker 3: actually solve the issue? Of course not, of course not.
Speaker 3: The reason they're not trying to solve the issue is
Speaker 3: because they benefit only when the issue continues. They benefit
Speaker 3: only when the issue is an ongoing crisis rather than
Speaker 3: a solved crisis. And so they're going to pretend that
Speaker 3: the most important thing they can do is go and
Speaker 3: stand with Donald Trump. But it really just speaks to
Speaker 3: the unbelievable shallowness and emptiness of the Republicans as a party,
Speaker 3: because there's no there there anymore, there's no issue, right.
Speaker 2: But do you think voters see that and are turned
Speaker 2: off by it?
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the voters that I talk to,
Speaker 3: and my cohort of voters that we you know, the
Speaker 3: ex Republicans, the moderate Democrats, the independence a lot of
Speaker 3: those people are turned off by this stuff. They do
Speaker 3: find it to be just egregious and tiresome and like,
Speaker 3: when will they take take the world seriously for one
Speaker 3: damn minute.
Speaker 2: Here's another thought I have.
Speaker 1: So a lot of these Senate candidates who are running
Speaker 1: in swing year districts have stopped talking about how the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election was stolen.
Speaker 2: They have stopped.
Speaker 1: They are no longer pushing some of these trumpy lives.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: They're doing it because they think it'll help them get elected.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious if they're doing that. They obviously have
Speaker 1: seen polls that show it doesn't play. So if that
Speaker 1: doesn't play, how does the Speaker of the House going
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump's criminal trial help them keep the House?
Speaker 3: That is the apperable question. Republicans are always caught now
Speaker 3: in the horns of a terrible dilemma. And I want
Speaker 3: to say this for folks listening, every single Republican the
Speaker 3: UC say Elachi was stolen. Trump's being railroaded deep State,
Speaker 3: Even in his most passionate supporters, not one of them
Speaker 3: believe that's true. They know it's not true. No one
Speaker 3: of them, none, zero the number, even Matt Gates and
Speaker 3: Merge and all the crazies, none of them them believe
Speaker 3: that's true. They know it's not true. They know it's
Speaker 3: a lie. These rich guys that are paying their consultants
Speaker 3: a ton of money to tell them how to not
Speaker 3: lose are very nervous right now because you know, if
Speaker 3: they want to win primaries, if they want to keep
Speaker 3: the magas happy, they've got to say that Trump was
Speaker 3: cheated and all this other garbage if they want to
Speaker 3: not get their heady into too them in the general election.
Speaker 3: They get nothing out of pretending otherwise. Nothing good comes
Speaker 3: from them doing this except more pain from regular voters
Speaker 3: when the time comes making these arguments, it means you're
Speaker 3: just not serious as a person.
Speaker 1: So thread the needle here for me, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson is obviously going to get reelected because he's
Speaker 1: in an R plus two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: Right, well billion, right, But.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, does this hurt a Mike Lawler? Does
Speaker 1: this hurt a d Esposito? Does this hurt in California
Speaker 1: and New York State? There are you know about ten
Speaker 1: or twelve total swing state members of Congress, that's.
Speaker 3: And in those areas, those people if they bite this apple,
Speaker 3: if they start up with these talking points.
Speaker 2: Like Lawler voted for both impeachments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and those things are a burden to them now.
Speaker 3: And a lot of the people on the MAGA side
Speaker 3: of the equation will sort of nod and say, oh,
Speaker 3: I have to do this and wink behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: But they're having to do all this on the record.
Speaker 3: They don't get to hide this. They don't get to
Speaker 3: pretend that this isn't happening. They don't get to pretend
Speaker 3: that they're not part of the MAGA game plan, the
Speaker 3: MAGA movement. Once you start voting that way, you are
Speaker 3: that person, right.
Speaker 1: And do you think that that will come back to
Speaker 1: get them in the elections?
Speaker 3: Look, I think it doesn't help them. I think it
Speaker 3: actively hurts their chances. And again, in these swing seats,
Speaker 3: voters are not telling us, Oh my god, my number
Speaker 3: one concern is Donald Trump's being persecuted.
Speaker 2: Now, is anyone telling you that.
Speaker 3: No one's telling us that. It literally does not appear
Speaker 3: in any survey research outside of like the pages of Breitbart.
Speaker 2: Right, So that's like an important data point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit of a thing. We're not
Speaker 3: in a world where the things that MAGA voters respond
Speaker 3: to when they're clicking the directed email link may care
Speaker 3: about one set of things, but that's not what regular
Speaker 3: voters are caring about at all.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Also, I kind of think, Molly, I kind of maybe
Speaker 3: I'll get your opinion on this. Doesn't it feel just
Speaker 3: kind of like the shtick is worn out?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very bored with it. But that's just me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am just barely limpy along.
Speaker 3: You and I are very different people than the average
Speaker 3: MAGA voter. But at some point, you know, the lies
Speaker 3: of Trump's being persecuted and the election was told all that,
Speaker 3: it just feels tired. It feels broken and worn out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're going to try to run on
Speaker 1: that forever, but I just don't totally understand where that
Speaker 1: gets them.
Speaker 3: It's one thing to believe in your causes and your
Speaker 3: concerns and the things your movement wants you to believe in.
Speaker 3: It's another thing when the movement asks you to believe
Speaker 3: in things that you know are object actively, untrue and dumb,
Speaker 3: and that are issues for losers right right right. And look,
Speaker 3: I've said this for a million years. The only way
Speaker 3: you're going to beat MAGA is to beat Trump and
Speaker 3: to eventually cause so much pain in their electoral lives
Speaker 3: that they go, well, maybe this isn't.
Speaker 1: Workking, That's the only way. And I still think the
Speaker 1: fact that Nikki Haley has not endorsed, and that you
Speaker 1: have these people who are keeping their powder dry is
Speaker 1: really important.
Speaker 3: Nicki Haley still continues to wreck up. If she continues
Speaker 3: to wreck up fifteen to twenty percent of the vote
Speaker 3: everywhere she goes, without being in the campaign, without having
Speaker 3: a campaign, without spending money in a campaign, just because
Speaker 3: she's not Donald Trump, it's a signal inside of a
Speaker 3: lot of the noise that I think people should be
Speaker 3: paying attention to.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump's people, I mean, while they
Speaker 1: would never admit anything, do you think that they see
Speaker 1: that that's a problem or are they just fully foe
Speaker 1: focused on flipping Minnesota as this news psychle was today.
Speaker 3: I mean, the idea that we're going to flip Minnesota
Speaker 3: is fascinating. Meanwhile, I'm sure that they're very competitive in
Speaker 3: Hawaii as well. Yeah, so you know that level of
Speaker 3: self delusion, man, that is respectable. That is really something.
Speaker 3: But I think las Avita and Susie Wilds and a
Speaker 3: bunch of these other people do understand that they need
Speaker 3: to make this election a referendum on Joe Biden. That's
Speaker 3: hard when Donald Trump spends every day making it a
Speaker 3: referendum on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is definitely true.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the big news was that their
Speaker 1: debates have been set.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: I am thrilled. Okay, I will say this. First off,
Speaker 3: let's not forget Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in two
Speaker 3: debates in twenty twenty, beat him like a drum. No,
Speaker 3: we're not pretending here, We're not like half asking this.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump did not do well.
Speaker 2: Did not know.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump will not have the one thing he truly
Speaker 3: wants in this debate is audience. The second thing he
Speaker 3: won't have in this debate is RFK. He really needed
Speaker 3: RFK as a distraction, as a sideline, as a cat's
Speaker 3: paw in this thing, and he's not going to have it.
Speaker 3: But the lack of an audience and the fact that
Speaker 3: he's got essentially you know, look, are they perfect? Maybe not.
Speaker 3: Are there going to be good reporters who are not
Speaker 3: going to let Trump completely get away with bullshit? I
Speaker 3: think they will be.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I think Jake Tapper doesn't want to be a guy
Speaker 3: who ends up looking like an a hole by letting
Speaker 3: Trump get away with murder at one of two debates.
Speaker 3: And I think the fact that it's not a Fox debate,
Speaker 3: it's not an audience debate, I think all these things
Speaker 3: add up in a way that is pretty beneficial to
Speaker 3: the president. And again, I just want to say this
Speaker 3: one more time, because people always underestimate Joe Biden every
Speaker 3: goddamn time they go, oh, this State of the Union
Speaker 3: will be a disaster if he doesn't do it perfectly.
Speaker 3: And he's blown both States of the Union performances out
Speaker 3: of the water, and I think he's going to do
Speaker 3: the same of the debates. I'm much more sanguine about
Speaker 3: Biden in these debates than a lot of people. I
Speaker 3: just I think he's much better out of the people think.
Speaker 2: Well, that is what we've seen again and again and again.
Speaker 3: Right when he is called and he needs to step up,
Speaker 3: the guy steps up. And also, let's not pretend that
Speaker 3: Trump is some masterful performer at the same level he
Speaker 3: was in twenty sixteen. He's lost a not a step,
Speaker 3: he's lost a mile.
Speaker 2: I'm right, Trump is not the he's not.
Speaker 3: The same guy that he was. And while Biden is older,
Speaker 3: while Biden is older. Trump in many ways feels just
Speaker 3: weaker and out of control and less capable than he
Speaker 3: ever has.
Speaker 1: We have two more days or three more days, one
Speaker 1: more week of the Trump trial.
Speaker 2: This will probably be the last week coming up.
Speaker 1: What do you think again, these are like downstream effects
Speaker 1: of the Trump trial.
Speaker 2: Do we think they exist? What do we think?
Speaker 3: Well, look, one thing we know about voters right now
Speaker 3: is they're not really moved by old information about Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it feels very baked in the cake for a lot
Speaker 3: of voters. Yes he's a scumbag, Yes he's a weirdo.
Speaker 3: Yes he's a bad guy. But there are a lot
Speaker 3: of things that feel fresher about this whole case because
Speaker 3: nobody's had to review all this crap for years, right,
Speaker 3: No one's had to think about this for years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I.
Speaker 3: Am kind of fascinated by the degree to which people
Speaker 3: had forgotten what a scumbag the guy was. The people
Speaker 3: had left behind the idea of just who and how
Speaker 3: venal and criminal and creepy and nasty he is.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Rick Wilson, Molly.
Speaker 3: You are welcome as always. I'm now going to go
Speaker 3: back to bed.
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Speaker 1: dot com. Bernie Sanders is the senior Senator from Vermont.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Senator Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to be with you, Maia, Thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on.
Speaker 1: You wrote a really good ab about what a second
Speaker 1: Biden term would look like and more importantly, sort of
Speaker 1: how the progressive job needs to keep going. And I
Speaker 1: actually believe Biden has been a really progressive president.
Speaker 2: Will you talk to us about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is no secret to any of the listeners
Speaker 4: that we are living in a moment in American history
Speaker 4: where we say some unprecedented challenges. What has not widely
Speaker 4: talked about, what is true is we're living in an
Speaker 4: oligarthic form of society. We have more income in wealth
Speaker 4: inequality today and have performed in American history. People on
Speaker 4: top doing fantastically, But sixty percent of the Americans are
Speaker 4: living paycheck to paycheck. Six hundred thousand are sleeping out
Speaker 4: on the streets. All right, We're dealing with climate change,
Speaker 4: and if we don't solve that problem through international cooperation,
Speaker 4: the planet that we're going to be leaving our children
Speaker 4: will be increasingly uninhabitable and unhealthy. We are looking at
Speaker 4: the time when women's right, the right of women that
Speaker 4: control their own bodies, is being taken away from them,
Speaker 4: and many many other issues that are out there. But
Speaker 4: we're looking at some really tough times and the American
Speaker 4: people are going to stand together and fight back to
Speaker 4: create the kind of government that works for all of
Speaker 4: us and not just a few.
Speaker 1: You've been like one of the great progressive champions of
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I feel like progressives are mad at Biden
Speaker 1: for any number of reasons. Biden World has passed incredible
Speaker 1: progressive legislation when it comes to American manufacturing or even climate.
Speaker 1: But there are certainly a lot of places where you
Speaker 1: know they're upset, and I mean, what do you say
Speaker 1: to them?
Speaker 2: How do you talk to them about it?
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's a really good question something that we
Speaker 4: are looking at. People are upset at Biden. I think
Speaker 4: primarily because of this war in Gossip, which has been
Speaker 4: a humanitarian disaster led by Nettignelle White being expremience. In
Speaker 4: my view that yo should not have gotten a nickel
Speaker 4: from the American taxpayer is that's stop with Biden thinks,
Speaker 4: and people are very upset about that. But what I
Speaker 4: would ask people to consider is when you look at politics,
Speaker 4: to understand that Joe Biden is not running against God
Speaker 4: in this election. He's running against a guy named Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump was the most dangerous president in American
Speaker 4: history in my view, and he will be more dangerous
Speaker 4: in the next four years. So what I would say
Speaker 4: to people out there, well, I'm angry at Biden. Fine,
Speaker 4: I am angry at him as well, and I talked
Speaker 4: to him about this biggest policies on God's the odd
Speaker 4: dead run. But on the other hand, if you are concerned,
Speaker 4: let's just say about income and wealth inequality and the
Speaker 4: rights of work as well. Guess what, Joe Biden was
Speaker 4: the first president in American history to walk on a
Speaker 4: picket line with striking workers. He is pro union, he
Speaker 4: is pro work. You know what. Donald Trump is very
Speaker 4: much the opposite. If you're concerned about climate change, which
Speaker 4: I would hope everybody in America is, you know what,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's view on climate changes, he thinks that's a
Speaker 4: hopes And you've indicated Biden has been very strong. We
Speaker 4: put more money into transforming our energies to some of
Speaker 4: the Biden's than any president in americanistry. Why are you
Speaker 4: concerned about women's right? Well, Donald Trump raggs that he
Speaker 4: appointed three members of the Supreme Quarta over term roby Wait.
Speaker 4: Biden has been solidly pro choice on and on and go.
Speaker 4: So is there a real fundamental difference between these two candidates?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Is Biden everything that the progressive community would like? No?
Speaker 4: But I think what we've got to do is look
Speaker 4: at the totality of the situation and strongly support not
Speaker 4: only Biden, but other progressive candidates all over the country.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're both Jewish.
Speaker 1: You are from an older generation than I am, no offense,
Speaker 1: and your generation, like my parents' generation, lived through the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: So you have, or at least the people in my parents' generation,
Speaker 1: have a real connection to Israel in a way that
Speaker 1: maybe I, as in the younger generation, don't.
Speaker 2: Necessarily.
Speaker 1: I'm curious you must have had a lot of feeling
Speaker 1: about this in a way that I mean, I have
Speaker 1: such a lot of feeling about this, if that makes sense,
Speaker 1: you know, no.
Speaker 4: Are you right? I do understand where you come from, Allian. Look,
Speaker 4: there has always been sympathy in this country for Israel
Speaker 4: because that is the place where a Jewish people deathsimated
Speaker 4: with six million murders by Hitler, went and tried to
Speaker 4: rebuild a society where they can live in peace and security,
Speaker 4: and there has been widespread support for that concept for
Speaker 4: a decade. What is happening now and it does personally
Speaker 4: break my art. I got to tell you that is
Speaker 4: that this is not the Israel up ten twenty thirty
Speaker 4: years ago. This is not gold in my ears, you
Speaker 4: suck from being This is Benjamin N'tena who and Benjamin
Speaker 4: n'atena who is a right wing extremist who is allied
Speaker 4: in his government with people who are out and out
Speaker 4: anti Palestinian racist, and everybody in America. I don't know
Speaker 4: there's anybody in America who doesn't believe that Israel had
Speaker 4: the right to defend itself against this horrific Kama terrorist
Speaker 4: attack on US. Israel had the right to dependence helps
Speaker 4: but Israel did not and does not have the right
Speaker 4: to go to war against the entire Palestinian people and
Speaker 4: the death so the number of wounded, sixty five percent
Speaker 4: of them women and children. The destruction of housing, the
Speaker 4: displacement of people, the destruction of the healthcarecer and no
Speaker 4: electricity right now, the people being pushed around like their
Speaker 4: cattle going in right now and wrap up six hundred
Speaker 4: thousand people being displaced after they even displaced before. Very
Speaker 4: few people in Erica or around the world thinks about
Speaker 4: as successful.
Speaker 1: My grandfather was this writer called Howard Fast who is
Speaker 1: a communist and Jew.
Speaker 4: Oh I remember that, I knew the name Howard's Nail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my grandpa.
Speaker 1: And one of the fights he had a lot was
Speaker 1: with the people like the parents of John pod Horns
Speaker 1: Norman pod Horns, Jews, who felt that Jews had to
Speaker 1: be conservative and it was like a very anti Semitic trope.
Speaker 1: And I feel like we're seeing Trump do that trope
Speaker 1: again in there, and I really do feel they're trying
Speaker 1: to divide blacks and Jews the way they did in
Speaker 1: the sixties.
Speaker 2: Can you talk about that?
Speaker 4: Well, Look, you know it's always hard to talk about
Speaker 4: Trump because he is so outrageous, but you know, the
Speaker 4: idea that any Jewish person who is critical of net
Speaker 4: Yahoo is you know, shouldn't be you know, voting democratic
Speaker 4: or all. This stuff is beyond the pale. But I
Speaker 4: think what we are saying right now, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's ironic that in many of the schools that where
Speaker 4: they were protests, a non insignificant number of the kids
Speaker 4: were Jews who are legitimately upset about what net yaz So.
Speaker 4: I think the point is, and I hope everybody understands this.
Speaker 4: If you disagree with the policies of the Italian government,
Speaker 4: they're not anti You've disagree with the policies of the
Speaker 4: Irish government. You don't hate Irish people, you know. So
Speaker 4: what you have now is, you know net Yao, who's
Speaker 4: not the king of the Jews. He is a right winger,
Speaker 4: he miss who's the Prime Minister of Israel. And you
Speaker 4: can strongly disagree with net Yao and not be antisemitic.
Speaker 4: And anyone who suggests otherwise is really expressing a terrible thought.
Speaker 1: You are one of the very few candidates I think
Speaker 1: of in modern history who connected with young people in
Speaker 1: a completely unexpected and profound way, much like Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's hard to sort.
Speaker 1: Of explain why, But can you just give us a
Speaker 1: tiny bit of an idea of why you think that happened.
Speaker 4: Well, I think for a couple of reasons. Number one,
Speaker 4: the younger generation in America today is probably the most
Speaker 4: progressive generation in the history of this country. This is
Speaker 4: a generation that is very strongly anti racist, anti sexist,
Speaker 4: anti homophobe. And also, this is a generation that sees
Speaker 4: through bullshit and I think just wants to be told
Speaker 4: the truth. And that's what I try to do. You
Speaker 4: agree with me or disagree with maybe I'm going to
Speaker 4: tell you, you know, the way I see it and
Speaker 4: the way I see it. Also for this younger generation
Speaker 4: is that despite the fact that you're looking being in
Speaker 4: the wealthiest country in the history of the world, guess
Speaker 4: what this younger generation everything being equal on as we change,
Speaker 4: it is going to have a lower standard of living
Speaker 4: than their parents. So when you talk about income in
Speaker 4: wealth inequality, when you talk about the greed of the
Speaker 4: American ruling class, when you talk about people not being
Speaker 4: able to afford housing, paying you know, tremendous amounts of
Speaker 4: money on their student debt, that resonates with young people.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think it should right now.
Speaker 2: This is like a dark moment with polling, et cetera.
Speaker 1: If you were running Joe Biden's campaign, what would you
Speaker 1: do right now?
Speaker 4: What I would do? And you know we've talked to
Speaker 4: the President about this and his team is You've got
Speaker 4: to understand that while Biden has done, as you've indicated,
Speaker 4: a number of good things are he stood with unions,
Speaker 4: We're rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. We're lowering the costs of
Speaker 4: prescription drums. He is fighting for women's rights and the
Speaker 4: right women to control their own bodies. I mean, there's
Speaker 4: a long, long list of accomplishments which he has a
Speaker 4: right to be proud. But you have to appreciate is
Speaker 4: that at the end of the day, all over this country,
Speaker 4: Vermont from America, people are struggling and you've got to
Speaker 4: give them an gender and hope that things will be
Speaker 4: better in the future. Just can't look at, Hey, look
Speaker 4: at what I've done in the last four years. For example,
Speaker 4: we have a dysfunctional health cassis. It is outrageous to
Speaker 4: the expensive and the results if the outcomes are not
Speaker 4: particularly good compared to other countries. Prisidents kind of get
Speaker 4: up and say you know what. Healthcare is the human right.
Speaker 4: We are going to move to universal health cay. I
Speaker 4: don't give if you're rich and poor, you're going to
Speaker 4: be able to get healthy you need because you're a
Speaker 4: human being. We have made some progress, some progress in
Speaker 4: taking on the pharmaceutical industry, and it is say that
Speaker 4: the Union. He indicated that he wants to do more,
Speaker 4: but he's got to stand up to the greed of
Speaker 4: the drug companies and make it clear we're going to
Speaker 4: significantly low drug prices in America. And I'll tell you
Speaker 4: something in Vermont that I think in many many states,
Speaker 4: this housing situation is really a crisis. You get some
Speaker 4: rents are going up, mortgages are going up, and see
Speaker 4: you's got to say, you know what, instead of giving
Speaker 4: tax pray the billion as, we're going to start building
Speaker 4: the millions of units of blowing from an affordable housing
Speaker 4: that we should have built years ago. We're going to
Speaker 4: raise the minimum wage to a living wage. We're going
Speaker 4: to make it easier for workers the form unions. I mean,
Speaker 4: there are progressive ideas out there that are all very popular.
Speaker 4: Give you another one right now, you talk to an
Speaker 4: older person, talk to somebody on social security on Medicare.
Speaker 4: They will tell you, my god, I wish that Medicare
Speaker 4: would come a dental hearing envision because they can't afford it.
Speaker 4: Biden campaigns that overwhelming support. Everything that I'm telling you
Speaker 4: is enormously popular, but it requires you to take on
Speaker 4: powerful special interests. That's what I think Biden should be doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely has passed a lot of legislation
Speaker 1: that is progressive.
Speaker 2: What is the logjam? Here is it?
Speaker 1: And I do think he's ideologically moved, you know, like
Speaker 1: this marijuana staff is a big deal, and it seems
Speaker 1: like it's a very reactive administration in a way you want, right,
Speaker 1: like you say, you know you can't. You know, he's
Speaker 1: tried to cancel Student Dad. He's trying to work around
Speaker 1: that now.
Speaker 4: And well, the way Mallya's not that he has tried
Speaker 4: to He hasn't done that, not as far as I
Speaker 4: would go. Right, he canceled the student that I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've talked to anybody.
Speaker 2: But then the Supreme Court overturned it.
Speaker 4: Despite that, he's been able to get around it. Millions
Speaker 4: of people today in America and I've got people have
Speaker 4: got to appreciate that I talked to a woman that
Speaker 4: teacher eighty thousand dollars student that will changed her life,
Speaker 4: and that is true for millions of other people. Yes,
Speaker 4: so that's a real accomplishment that he should be proud of.
Speaker 1: You have been in the center for a long time.
Speaker 1: You really know how this works. What is the log jam?
Speaker 4: Do you think the log jam is the different We
Speaker 4: live in a corrupt political system in which big money
Speaker 4: plays these very significant roles. Right, So if you want
Speaker 4: to do what is immensely popular, for example, expand Medica
Speaker 4: to cover dental jeering and vision, you can have to
Speaker 4: take on very powerful people in the insurance industry. Okay,
Speaker 4: if you want to make sure that we join every
Speaker 4: other country and everything guarantee healthcare all people as a right,
Speaker 4: or a Medicare for all program or whatever, you're going
Speaker 4: to have to take on the insurance industry, very very powerful.
Speaker 4: If you want to demand that the rich start paying
Speaker 4: their fair share taxes, man, you're going to have to
Speaker 4: take on some of those powerful people in the world
Speaker 4: who are delighted that they've had an effective tax rate
Speaker 4: lower than you pay. That's what they want. They don't
Speaker 4: want to pay any taxes, you got to take them on.
Speaker 4: So the question is do you have an administration and
Speaker 4: a political movement prepared to take some on. In many ways,
Speaker 4: the Democrats sets up with the Democrats, or a lot
Speaker 4: of Democrats are And that's the kind of log jam.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Part of it is executive orders, and part of it
Speaker 1: is messaging these accomplishments.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, it's messaging accomplishments, and it's also giving people hope
Speaker 4: that the future will be better because a lot of
Speaker 4: people today they're worried about their parents, they're worried about
Speaker 4: their kids, they're worried about the environment. And you have
Speaker 4: to say, look, I understand that these are tough times.
Speaker 4: Democracy is you know, we talked about Donald Trump. This
Speaker 4: is a guy who is an authoritarian type you does
Speaker 4: not believe in democracy. So you've got to aut like that.
Speaker 4: But you also have got to have a vision for
Speaker 4: the future that people say, Okay, for next four years,
Speaker 4: we're going to really accomplish. As you know, one of
Speaker 4: the problems that Biden has happened, not his fault, is
Speaker 4: that right now you have right wing Republicans controlling the House.
Speaker 4: Very hard to do anything under those circumstances, and then
Speaker 4: two years before that we had two corporate Democrats in
Speaker 4: the Senate, which prevent them us asking some really sweeping
Speaker 4: legislation like build back American voting rights.
Speaker 2: Will you hit the trail with mine?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to agree that the administration wants. You know,
Speaker 4: we have talked about this and I and others are
Speaker 4: trying to figure out the most effective role that we
Speaker 4: can pipe.
Speaker 1: Are you proud of the politician that AOC has become.
Speaker 4: I am very proud of them. She and I just
Speaker 4: did a podcast the other day, actually, and she is
Speaker 4: a very you know, and I use the word politician
Speaker 4: here in the best sense of the words.
Speaker 2: Not in the negative and the positive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not in a negative you know, being in a
Speaker 4: democratic society, being a politician, you know, it's not a
Speaker 4: negative thing. But I think she understands where she has
Speaker 4: come from, and you grew up in a you know,
Speaker 4: a struggling family, and I think she understands what people
Speaker 4: all over this country are experiencing. And I think she
Speaker 4: is incredibly articulate. She is a great leader today. And
Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of people, especially young people,
Speaker 4: young people of colored women, who looked at her with admiration.
Speaker 1: You have influenced America so much, probably more than any
Speaker 1: other single senator.
Speaker 2: Are you optimistic?
Speaker 4: I am nervous about the future of this country. What
Speaker 4: I am nervous about, Molly, is that a lot of
Speaker 4: people are so discouraged or so cynical that they're giving
Speaker 4: up on democracy. And we have got to revive hope.
Speaker 4: We have got to make sure that young people understand
Speaker 4: that they, in fact can create a very different type
Speaker 4: of America where all people can live in dignity and security.
Speaker 4: We can deal with climate change. So I am nervous,
Speaker 4: but I am not unoptimistic because throughout American history. You know,
Speaker 4: this country, I don't want to sound rhetorical yet, but
Speaker 4: it has responded to challenges. We've gone through terrible civil wore,
Speaker 4: the racism, the segregation that existed, World War two, the Depression,
Speaker 4: terrible times in American history, and yet the country has
Speaker 4: come together and move forward. And I hope very much
Speaker 4: and believe that we can do.
Speaker 3: That at the time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. Enjoyed chatting McKinnon.
Speaker 2: Nicki mckat ramirez is a reporter at Rolling Stone. Welcome
Speaker 2: to Fast Politics.
Speaker 5: Nikki, Hi, Mollie, thank you so much for having me back.
Speaker 6: So Jesse and I will talking about this video on
Speaker 6: the soon to be gone TikTok and it was a
Speaker 6: guy talking about giving counterfeit money to homeless people so
Speaker 6: that they would get arrested. It's the kind of cruel
Speaker 6: day that really feels trumpy.
Speaker 2: Turns out, tell us who this guy is?
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 7: So listeners might have seen this video of this like
Speaker 7: violently oranged man with a really bleached smile, pulling out
Speaker 7: like faked dollar bills from his console and talking about
Speaker 7: how like, oh, like I give these two homeless people,
Speaker 7: I'm like cleaning up the streets because when they use them,
Speaker 7: they get arrested. And in the caption of the video,
Speaker 7: he wrote like it's a joke, calm down. But of
Speaker 7: course that begs the question like what kind of person
Speaker 7: thinks this is in any way funny? And that person
Speaker 7: is John mcintee, who not only is one of the
Speaker 7: founders of the miserably performing right wing dating app The
Speaker 7: Right Stuff, he's also a former Trump administration official who
Speaker 7: is at this moment being considered for a return position
Speaker 7: should Trump win in November and he has a really
Speaker 7: just gross history within Trump world.
Speaker 6: So tell us a little bit about that gross history
Speaker 6: within Trump world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 7: John mcintee was hired into the Trump administration as kind
Speaker 7: of a personal aid to Trump. He was head of
Speaker 7: the White House Personnel Office, and there's a wonderful article
Speaker 7: in The Atlantic, I believe about how insane that office was.
Speaker 7: He had a habit of hiring really hot women and
Speaker 7: really unattractive men who were non threatening to him. And
Speaker 7: as head of that office, he was in charge of
Speaker 7: basically bringing on liaisons who would operate as the go
Speaker 7: betweens between the White House and major federal agencies.
Speaker 5: And his reputation was that.
Speaker 7: He would only hire diehard Trump loyalists who were extremely
Speaker 7: aggressive in their relationships with these federal agencies. Would constantly
Speaker 7: be pressuring other government officials outside of the White House,
Speaker 7: sort of direct sphere to show more loyalty to Trump,
Speaker 7: bad mouthing people who he perceived as like not being
Speaker 7: super loyal to Trump. In twenty eighteen, he actually got
Speaker 7: fired from the White House because failed background check.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked, shocking.
Speaker 7: He you can kind of tell just by his general
Speaker 7: vibe apparently had a concerning gambling habit sports gambling in
Speaker 7: particular was I think the one it was. But he
Speaker 7: was basically ousted from the White House and in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty was re hired by the Trump campaign to serve
Speaker 7: as sort of like a personnel liaison. And yeah, obviously
Speaker 7: Trump loses in twenty twenty, but mcintee, even in the
Speaker 7: last days of the administration, was still planning out, interviewing
Speaker 7: and vetting potential hires for a second Trump term. He
Speaker 7: was a true believer that the election had been stolen.
Speaker 7: He actually wrote a memo to Mike Pence's chief of
Speaker 7: staff talking about how, like h. Thomas Jefferson used his
Speaker 7: vice presidential powers to secure the presidency and making like
Speaker 7: a very very dubious legal argument about how Mike Pence
Speaker 7: could usurp the certification of Biden's election. But to the
Speaker 7: very end, he was still helping Donald Trump prepare for
Speaker 7: a second term amidst all of the like efforts to
Speaker 7: overturn the twenty twenty election that didn't pan out. In
Speaker 7: that in between, mac and Tee launched, along with two
Speaker 7: other co founders, and the backing of Peter Teel launched
Speaker 7: the Right Stuff, which was is because it still exists
Speaker 7: despite its lack of performance. A dating app aimed at conservatives,
Speaker 7: and from its launch, the app was a bit of
Speaker 7: a joke. It really lacked female users, It was overrun
Speaker 7: by trolls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was invite only when it.
Speaker 7: First launched, and like people were just like giving out
Speaker 7: the invites willy nilly. So they ended up getting like
Speaker 7: a bunch of journalists infiltrating the app, a bunch of
Speaker 7: trolls who just joined it to sort of annoy other
Speaker 7: like diehard conservatives who were trying to use it seriously.
Speaker 7: And then the FBI started contacting users because you know,
Speaker 7: if you've ever used like Tinder or Bumble, they'll give
Speaker 7: you like those little prompts like what is your perfect
Speaker 7: date light go blah blah blah. One of the prompts
Speaker 7: was January sixth was oh yes, they was like January
Speaker 7: sixth was blank, And a bunch of like people on
Speaker 7: the app started writing stuff in response to that, indicating
Speaker 7: that they had been at the riot or like been
Speaker 7: at the protest. So they started getting contacted by the FBI,
Speaker 7: and you know, it was just a flop and a
Speaker 7: terrible way to launch.
Speaker 5: And this endeavor.
Speaker 7: The thing that did not flop and has not been
Speaker 7: flopping is the Right Stuff's TikTok, which seems to be
Speaker 7: what MC and tee has been doing while he waits
Speaker 7: to see what the outcome of November will be. And
Speaker 7: the video about him handing out fake money to homeless
Speaker 7: people is the surface of how gross this TikTok account is.
Speaker 5: It's not like any other dating app where you'll have.
Speaker 7: Like couples talking about how they met or like stupid
Speaker 7: little jokes about how shitty it is to date in
Speaker 7: these modern times. It's literally just him eating plates of
Speaker 7: food and making the most like asinine right wing commentary,
Speaker 7: and then it'll veer into like the really racist and
Speaker 7: hateful he loves to talk about, like why do white
Speaker 7: people get hate for slavery when everyone does it? And
Speaker 7: that kind of thing. So it's just like your typical
Speaker 7: sort of like right wing trumper who's kind of in
Speaker 7: limbo right now and has decided the way he's going
Speaker 7: to make a name for himself is by just becoming
Speaker 7: like a MAGA influencer.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. One of the videos he showed, he said.
Speaker 5: He was just kidding, Yeah, the whomeless one.
Speaker 1: So I guess he sort of knows that he could
Speaker 1: get in trouble for this.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think he absolutely knows.
Speaker 7: I reached out to him for an article we wrote
Speaker 7: in Rolling Stone, and when I asked him, like, were
Speaker 7: you serious about this? Do you actually do this? He
Speaker 7: basically told me to like read the caption of the video. So,
Speaker 7: according to him, it's a joke. But once again, I
Speaker 7: don't see how anyone with empathy or just like a
Speaker 7: monochrome of respect for other people discussing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Now we need to talk about Rudy Giuliani has had
Speaker 1: a tough, tough go of it.
Speaker 2: There's a lesson here about being a lawyer for Trump.
Speaker 2: Talk to us about.
Speaker 5: Rudy speaking of election deniers.
Speaker 7: So, Rudy Giuliani for a long time has had a
Speaker 7: radio show hosted by WABC.
Speaker 2: And it's a station owned by John Casta. Mattides.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is Trump humper, John Trump Humper, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and also the guy who owns Cristiities for those of
Speaker 1: you who lip in the Tristate area.
Speaker 7: Oh really, I did not know that. Oh yes, well,
Speaker 7: I think in the aftermath of the dominion lawsuit, which
Speaker 7: was catastrophic for Fox News. A lot of cro Trump
Speaker 7: media outlets realized that by continuing to push lies about
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty election, they were exposing themselves to litigation.
Speaker 7: So WABC instituted a policy basically saying like, we're not
Speaker 7: gonna air claims disputing the legitimacy of the twenty twenty election,
Speaker 7: and last week Castidian WABC announced that Giuliani's radio show
Speaker 7: had not only been canceled, but that Giuliani had been
Speaker 7: suspended indefinitely because as it goes, According to Casta Mattides,
Speaker 7: Giuliani had been warned multiple times that he was not
Speaker 7: allowed to continue espousing like his conspiracy theories about the
Speaker 7: twenty twenty election, and he directly told him, I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna stop.
Speaker 5: By a right to say this. You can't stop me.
Speaker 5: So they were like, all right, we're not going to
Speaker 5: air your shit.
Speaker 7: And you know, Giuliani has been taking el's all over
Speaker 7: the place regarding the election conspiracy theories at best.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, he now is.
Speaker 7: Like one hundred and forty eight million dollars to two
Speaker 7: Georgia election workers that he spread conspiracy theories about He's
Speaker 7: obviously indicted in Georgia. I believe he also got indicted
Speaker 7: in Arizona, and he's on the hook for a ton
Speaker 7: of attorneys fees that he has not paid. And I
Speaker 7: think it just goes to show. And I'm we're seeing
Speaker 7: it a lot as well, with the current Trump trial
Speaker 7: in Manhattan and Michael Cohen's testimony that the people in
Speaker 7: Trump's Trump so far has not been held to account
Speaker 7: in any legal way about over the shit heepoled in
Speaker 7: twenty twenty. The people who are typically held to account
Speaker 7: are the lawyers, the lackeys, the ass kissers around him,
Speaker 7: And I just don't it boggles my mind how someone
Speaker 7: who's been put through the wringer like this, with like lawsuits,
Speaker 7: criminal indictments, like even your lawyers are like, we can't
Speaker 7: represent you anymore because you're not paying us, would still
Speaker 7: be pushing to protect Trump in this way, with like
Speaker 7: the idea that it will save him. It's never saved anyone.
Speaker 7: He throws anyone under the bus as soon as they
Speaker 7: become a problem for him. So I don't know, you'd
Speaker 7: think he would have learned his lesson. He absolutely has not.
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny, though, it.
Speaker 5: Is pretty funny, Like I have no sympathy for these people.
Speaker 2: It's a real lesson to other people.
Speaker 1: So talk to us about what else you're seeing in
Speaker 1: this cast of characters, you know, the sort of that
Speaker 1: outer layer of Trump World. I mean some of them
Speaker 1: are going to the trial with him, some of them,
Speaker 1: what are they up to?
Speaker 2: These people?
Speaker 7: All of these people are, you know, making their pilgrimages
Speaker 7: to Manhattan to show support for Trump, just like flitting
Speaker 7: around like little gnats around his head because they're all
Speaker 7: looking for a place in a potential future in minutes
Speaker 7: A A lot of them are up for reelection, especially
Speaker 7: the ones that are showing up to the trials, So
Speaker 7: they want that endorsement. They want to attach themselves to
Speaker 7: Trump and hope that the enthusiasm for him among his
Speaker 7: base continues to rub off on them. But I think
Speaker 7: a lot of people are really just waiting in the wings,
Speaker 7: making themselves available and showing that when Trump comes in.
Speaker 7: And this will take us back a little bit to mcine.
Speaker 7: We spoke to some sources in Trump world who say
Speaker 7: that Trump remains like really enthusiastic about potentially hiring him.
Speaker 7: If mcine were to be hired, he would have a
Speaker 7: very similar job as he had for the first Trump
Speaker 7: administration and on the twenty twenty campaign, which is ensuring
Speaker 7: that all the federal agencies, all of the cabinet positions,
Speaker 7: all of the staffing that Trump would have to do,
Speaker 7: is filled by people who are Trump loyalists, sickophants, unquestioning
Speaker 7: allies who would not present a barrier to the agenda
Speaker 7: that the conservative movement would try to implement if Trump won.
Speaker 7: Mcinte was actually higher by the Heritage Foundation to be
Speaker 7: like a consultant on Project twenty twenty five and on
Speaker 7: a massive database they're building on potential people who are
Speaker 7: ultra conservative, pro Trump, die hard Republicans to like basically
Speaker 7: have a hiring database on day.
Speaker 5: One of a second Trump administration.
Speaker 1: Jessie Same, can you give us like two seconds on
Speaker 1: Laura Lowe Lumer and all the sort of rest of
Speaker 1: those kind of the Trump media industrial complex.
Speaker 7: See, Laura Lumer is one of those figures where I
Speaker 7: know there's been a lot of chatter about like her
Speaker 7: potentially being hired.
Speaker 2: Right, No, she's never gonna get hirghed, She's ever going
Speaker 2: to begin buy uber. I mean that's pretty bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've seen these people before.
Speaker 7: Laura Lumer, surprisingly enough, has endured, whereas people like Milo
Speaker 7: Unopolis were kind of just like cast out in the
Speaker 7: aftermath of like twenty sixteen then the Trump administration. But
Speaker 7: I think with every Trump's cycle we see the resurgence
Speaker 7: of the cast of characters who are pushing the misinformation,
Speaker 7: saying the things that Trump and other elected officials sort
Speaker 7: of hedge or feel like they can't present in any
Speaker 7: way outside of like very carefully crafted political speak. They
Speaker 7: are surrogates. They are fundamentally mouthpieces for the campaign, for
Speaker 7: the administration. They are convenient assets, many of whom are
Speaker 7: delusional in the notion that they will be granted positions
Speaker 7: of higher power if Trump gets re elected. But I
Speaker 7: think we've seen it in Trump's last two campaigns. He's
Speaker 7: perfectly happy to use these people as his surrogates, as
Speaker 7: his little angry minions. If he wins. They'll continue spouting
Speaker 7: their bullshit, they'll continue spreading misinformation, they'll continue supporting his agenda.
Speaker 7: But I frankly don't think a lot of the Laura
Speaker 7: Lumer types are actually going to make it into government positions.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, I mean, and there are people just
Speaker 1: as bad as Laura Long Lumer probably well, but yes,
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and who have been much more careful about their
Speaker 7: public presentation. Laura Lumer is considered a crazy person even
Speaker 7: in Republican circles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but there are quite a few other
Speaker 1: mac and mac and T is the really scary one.
Speaker 7: It's terrifying, but I think it's also just like a
Speaker 7: really good example of the type of person that I
Speaker 7: think would make it into a Trump administration because I
Speaker 7: was not fully aware of him before I started seeing. First,
Speaker 7: I started seeing like one of his less less egregious tiktoks.
Speaker 7: I saw one where he was like shitting on the irs,
Speaker 7: which like cool, the irs sucks, And became more aware
Speaker 7: of him after I started seeing people like stitching his
Speaker 7: videos and dunking on him.
Speaker 5: And I think the Homelessness video, which really exploded, finally
Speaker 5: drew the connection for people like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 5: this guy and this is just sort of like a
Speaker 5: rest stop that he's inhabiting between now and November is
Speaker 5: so bad, it's really cross.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Nikki, No of Court, It's always my pleasure.
Speaker 3: No Mo.
Speaker 2: Jesse Canon, Mai jungk Fest.
Speaker 3: You know how like the kids say that people are
Speaker 3: entering their blank era. I feel like Rudy is still
Speaker 3: in his rake face era.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but and I think
Speaker 1: that's something the youngs say to each other. But I
Speaker 1: would like to say Rudy Giuliani's eightieth birthday, he had
Speaker 1: it at a political Republican political strategist for Carrie Lake's
Speaker 1: house in Palm Beach.
Speaker 2: That sentence is pretty cursed. It was a big group of.
Speaker 1: People, and hidden among those people was the process server
Speaker 1: who actually sang him happy birthday. Oh what a happy birthday.
Speaker 1: It was birthday. By the way, his birthday is until
Speaker 1: later in the week the present. He celebrates his birthday
Speaker 1: on the Friday of the week. But anyway, right, he
Speaker 1: had just tweeted about how much he was not going
Speaker 1: to be served, and how he was did not want
Speaker 1: to be served, and how he wasn't going to be served,
Speaker 1: and how he was going to get off, and it
Speaker 1: turns out that in fact none of that was true
Speaker 1: and he got served. In Rudy Giuliani his eightieth birthday
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