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Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Sanders stops by to talk about bringing progressives

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Speaker 1: back on the Biden train. Then we'll talk to Rolling Stones,

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Speaker 1: he likes to make TikTok spragging about his cruelty to

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Speaker 1: the homeless. But first we have the host of the

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Speaker 1: Enemy's List, the Lincoln Project, z own Rick Wilson. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics, my poor sick friend, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, I want to talk about last night's spicy

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Speaker 1: AFT after hours hearing. On Thursday night, when the Freedom

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Speaker 1: at his criminal trial, they came back to hold a

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Speaker 3: Go first off, and folks, I'm going to apologize I

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Speaker 3: And when she went at Jasmine Crockett during that hearing

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Speaker 3: you have to wake up. You have to watch this clip.

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Speaker 3: Rask and Swallowell, Moskuwitz Kroc, watching them go after their

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Speaker 3: All they wanted them for was to leak them to Fox.

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Speaker 2: But do you think voters see that and are turned

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Speaker 1: They're doing it because they think it'll help them get elected.

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Speaker 1: seen polls that show it doesn't play. So if that

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Speaker 3: That is the apperable question. Republicans are always caught now

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Speaker 3: They get nothing out of pretending otherwise. Nothing good comes

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it doesn't help them. I think it

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rick Wilson, Molly.

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Speaker 3: You are welcome as always. I'm now going to go

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Senator Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great to be with you, Maia, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: You wrote a really good ab about what a second

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Speaker 2: Will you talk to us about that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is no secret to any of the listeners

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Speaker 1: You've been like one of the great progressive champions of

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Speaker 4: Well, that's that's a really good question something that we

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Speaker 4: And Donald Trump was the most dangerous president in American

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Speaker 1: You are from an older generation than I am, no offense,

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Speaker 4: Are you right? I do understand where you come from, Allian. Look,

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Speaker 1: My grandfather was this writer called Howard Fast who is

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Speaker 1: the sixties.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk about that?

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Speaker 4: Well, Look, you know it's always hard to talk about

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Speaker 4: Trump because he is so outrageous, but you know, the

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Speaker 4: idea that any Jewish person who is critical of net

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Speaker 4: Yahoo is you know, shouldn't be you know, voting democratic

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Speaker 4: or all. This stuff is beyond the pale. But I

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Speaker 4: think what we are saying right now, and you know,

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Speaker 4: it's ironic that in many of the schools that where

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Speaker 4: they were protests, a non insignificant number of the kids

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Speaker 4: were Jews who are legitimately upset about what net yaz So.

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Speaker 4: I think the point is, and I hope everybody understands this.

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Speaker 4: If you disagree with the policies of the Italian government,

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Speaker 4: they're not anti You've disagree with the policies of the

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Speaker 4: Irish government. You don't hate Irish people, you know. So

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Speaker 4: what you have now is, you know net Yao, who's

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Speaker 4: not the king of the Jews. He is a right winger,

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Speaker 4: he miss who's the Prime Minister of Israel. And you

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Speaker 4: can strongly disagree with net Yao and not be antisemitic.

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Speaker 4: And anyone who suggests otherwise is really expressing a terrible thought.

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Speaker 1: You are one of the very few candidates I think

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Speaker 1: of in modern history who connected with young people in

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Speaker 1: a completely unexpected and profound way, much like Barack Obama.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's hard to sort.

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Speaker 1: Of explain why, But can you just give us a

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Speaker 1: tiny bit of an idea of why you think that happened.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think for a couple of reasons. Number one,

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Speaker 4: the younger generation in America today is probably the most

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Speaker 4: progressive generation in the history of this country. This is

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Speaker 4: a generation that is very strongly anti racist, anti sexist,

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Speaker 4: anti homophobe. And also, this is a generation that sees

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Speaker 4: through bullshit and I think just wants to be told

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Speaker 4: the truth. And that's what I try to do. You

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Speaker 4: agree with me or disagree with maybe I'm going to

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Speaker 4: tell you, you know, the way I see it and

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Speaker 4: the way I see it. Also for this younger generation

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Speaker 4: is that despite the fact that you're looking being in

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Speaker 4: the wealthiest country in the history of the world, guess

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Speaker 4: what this younger generation everything being equal on as we change,

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Speaker 4: it is going to have a lower standard of living

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Speaker 4: than their parents. So when you talk about income in

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Speaker 4: wealth inequality, when you talk about the greed of the

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Speaker 4: American ruling class, when you talk about people not being

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Speaker 4: able to afford housing, paying you know, tremendous amounts of

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Speaker 4: money on their student debt, that resonates with young people.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think it should right now.

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Speaker 2: This is like a dark moment with polling, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: If you were running Joe Biden's campaign, what would you

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Speaker 1: do right now?

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Speaker 4: What I would do? And you know we've talked to

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Speaker 4: the President about this and his team is You've got

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Speaker 4: to understand that while Biden has done, as you've indicated,

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Speaker 4: a number of good things are he stood with unions,

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Speaker 4: We're rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. We're lowering the costs of

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Speaker 4: prescription drums. He is fighting for women's rights and the

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Speaker 4: right women to control their own bodies. I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: a long, long list of accomplishments which he has a

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Speaker 4: right to be proud. But you have to appreciate is

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Speaker 4: that at the end of the day, all over this country,

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Speaker 4: Vermont from America, people are struggling and you've got to

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Speaker 4: give them an gender and hope that things will be

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Speaker 4: better in the future. Just can't look at, Hey, look

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Speaker 4: at what I've done in the last four years. For example,

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Speaker 4: we have a dysfunctional health cassis. It is outrageous to

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Speaker 4: the expensive and the results if the outcomes are not

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Speaker 4: particularly good compared to other countries. Prisidents kind of get

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Speaker 4: up and say you know what. Healthcare is the human right.

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Speaker 4: We are going to move to universal health cay. I

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Speaker 4: don't give if you're rich and poor, you're going to

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Speaker 4: be able to get healthy you need because you're a

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Speaker 4: human being. We have made some progress, some progress in

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Speaker 4: taking on the pharmaceutical industry, and it is say that

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Speaker 4: the Union. He indicated that he wants to do more,

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Speaker 4: but he's got to stand up to the greed of

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Speaker 4: the drug companies and make it clear we're going to

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Speaker 4: significantly low drug prices in America. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: something in Vermont that I think in many many states,

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Speaker 4: this housing situation is really a crisis. You get some

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Speaker 4: rents are going up, mortgages are going up, and see

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Speaker 4: you's got to say, you know what, instead of giving

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Speaker 4: tax pray the billion as, we're going to start building

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Speaker 4: the millions of units of blowing from an affordable housing

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Speaker 4: that we should have built years ago. We're going to

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Speaker 4: raise the minimum wage to a living wage. We're going

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Speaker 4: to make it easier for workers the form unions. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there are progressive ideas out there that are all very popular.

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Speaker 4: Give you another one right now, you talk to an

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Speaker 4: older person, talk to somebody on social security on Medicare.

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Speaker 4: They will tell you, my god, I wish that Medicare

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Speaker 4: would come a dental hearing envision because they can't afford it.

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Speaker 4: Biden campaigns that overwhelming support. Everything that I'm telling you

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Speaker 4: is enormously popular, but it requires you to take on

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Speaker 4: powerful special interests. That's what I think Biden should be doing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely has passed a lot of legislation

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Speaker 1: that is progressive.

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Speaker 2: What is the logjam? Here is it?

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Speaker 1: And I do think he's ideologically moved, you know, like

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Speaker 1: this marijuana staff is a big deal, and it seems

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Speaker 1: like it's a very reactive administration in a way you want, right,

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Speaker 1: like you say, you know you can't. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: tried to cancel Student Dad. He's trying to work around

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Speaker 1: that now.

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Speaker 4: And well, the way Mallya's not that he has tried

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Speaker 4: to He hasn't done that, not as far as I

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Speaker 4: would go. Right, he canceled the student that I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've talked to anybody.

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Speaker 2: But then the Supreme Court overturned it.

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Speaker 4: Despite that, he's been able to get around it. Millions

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Speaker 4: of people today in America and I've got people have

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Speaker 4: got to appreciate that I talked to a woman that

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Speaker 4: teacher eighty thousand dollars student that will changed her life,

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Speaker 4: and that is true for millions of other people. Yes,

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Speaker 4: so that's a real accomplishment that he should be proud of.

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Speaker 1: You have been in the center for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You really know how this works. What is the log jam?

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Speaker 4: Do you think the log jam is the different We

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Speaker 4: live in a corrupt political system in which big money

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Speaker 4: plays these very significant roles. Right, So if you want

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Speaker 4: to do what is immensely popular, for example, expand Medica

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Speaker 4: to cover dental jeering and vision, you can have to

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Speaker 4: take on very powerful people in the insurance industry. Okay,

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Speaker 4: if you want to make sure that we join every

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Speaker 4: other country and everything guarantee healthcare all people as a right,

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Speaker 4: or a Medicare for all program or whatever, you're going

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Speaker 4: to have to take on the insurance industry, very very powerful.

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Speaker 4: If you want to demand that the rich start paying

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Speaker 4: their fair share taxes, man, you're going to have to

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Speaker 4: take on some of those powerful people in the world

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Speaker 4: who are delighted that they've had an effective tax rate

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Speaker 4: lower than you pay. That's what they want. They don't

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Speaker 4: want to pay any taxes, you got to take them on.

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Speaker 4: So the question is do you have an administration and

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Speaker 4: a political movement prepared to take some on. In many ways,

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Speaker 4: the Democrats sets up with the Democrats, or a lot

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Speaker 4: of Democrats are And that's the kind of log jam.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Part of it is executive orders, and part of it

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Speaker 1: is messaging these accomplishments.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's messaging accomplishments, and it's also giving people hope

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Speaker 4: that the future will be better because a lot of

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Speaker 4: people today they're worried about their parents, they're worried about

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Speaker 4: their kids, they're worried about the environment. And you have

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Speaker 4: to say, look, I understand that these are tough times.

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Speaker 4: Democracy is you know, we talked about Donald Trump. This

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Speaker 4: is a guy who is an authoritarian type you does

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Speaker 4: not believe in democracy. So you've got to aut like that.

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Speaker 4: But you also have got to have a vision for

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Speaker 4: the future that people say, Okay, for next four years,

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Speaker 4: we're going to really accomplish. As you know, one of

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Speaker 4: the problems that Biden has happened, not his fault, is

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Speaker 4: that right now you have right wing Republicans controlling the House.

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Speaker 4: Very hard to do anything under those circumstances, and then

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Speaker 4: two years before that we had two corporate Democrats in

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Speaker 4: the Senate, which prevent them us asking some really sweeping

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Speaker 4: legislation like build back American voting rights.

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Speaker 2: Will you hit the trail with mine?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to agree that the administration wants. You know,

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Speaker 4: we have talked about this and I and others are

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out the most effective role that we

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Speaker 4: can pipe.

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Speaker 1: Are you proud of the politician that AOC has become.

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Speaker 4: I am very proud of them. She and I just

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Speaker 4: did a podcast the other day, actually, and she is

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Speaker 4: a very you know, and I use the word politician

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Speaker 4: here in the best sense of the words.

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Speaker 2: Not in the negative and the positive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not in a negative you know, being in a

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Speaker 4: democratic society, being a politician, you know, it's not a

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Speaker 4: negative thing. But I think she understands where she has

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Speaker 4: come from, and you grew up in a you know,

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Speaker 4: a struggling family, and I think she understands what people

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Speaker 4: all over this country are experiencing. And I think she

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Speaker 4: is incredibly articulate. She is a great leader today. And

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Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of people, especially young people,

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Speaker 4: young people of colored women, who looked at her with admiration.

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Speaker 1: You have influenced America so much, probably more than any

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Speaker 1: other single senator.

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Speaker 2: Are you optimistic?

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Speaker 4: I am nervous about the future of this country. What

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Speaker 4: I am nervous about, Molly, is that a lot of

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Speaker 4: people are so discouraged or so cynical that they're giving

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Speaker 4: up on democracy. And we have got to revive hope.

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Speaker 4: We have got to make sure that young people understand

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Speaker 4: that they, in fact can create a very different type

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Speaker 4: of America where all people can live in dignity and security.

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Speaker 4: We can deal with climate change. So I am nervous,

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Speaker 4: but I am not unoptimistic because throughout American history. You know,

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Speaker 4: this country, I don't want to sound rhetorical yet, but

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Speaker 4: it has responded to challenges. We've gone through terrible civil wore,

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Speaker 4: the racism, the segregation that existed, World War two, the Depression,

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Speaker 4: terrible times in American history, and yet the country has

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Speaker 4: come together and move forward. And I hope very much

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Speaker 4: and believe that we can do.

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Speaker 3: That at the time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. Enjoyed chatting McKinnon.

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Speaker 2: Nicki mckat ramirez is a reporter at Rolling Stone. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 5: Nikki, Hi, Mollie, thank you so much for having me back.

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Speaker 6: So Jesse and I will talking about this video on

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Speaker 6: the soon to be gone TikTok and it was a

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Speaker 6: guy talking about giving counterfeit money to homeless people so

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Speaker 6: that they would get arrested. It's the kind of cruel

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Speaker 6: day that really feels trumpy.

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Speaker 2: Turns out, tell us who this guy is?

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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 7: So listeners might have seen this video of this like

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Speaker 7: violently oranged man with a really bleached smile, pulling out

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Speaker 7: like faked dollar bills from his console and talking about

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Speaker 7: how like, oh, like I give these two homeless people,

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Speaker 7: I'm like cleaning up the streets because when they use them,

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Speaker 7: they get arrested. And in the caption of the video,

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Speaker 7: he wrote like it's a joke, calm down. But of

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Speaker 7: course that begs the question like what kind of person

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Speaker 7: thinks this is in any way funny? And that person

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Speaker 7: is John mcintee, who not only is one of the

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Speaker 7: founders of the miserably performing right wing dating app The

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Speaker 7: Right Stuff, he's also a former Trump administration official who

658
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 7: is at this moment being considered for a return position

659
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Speaker 7: should Trump win in November and he has a really

660
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Speaker 7: just gross history within Trump world.

661
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Speaker 6: So tell us a little bit about that gross history

662
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Speaker 6: within Trump world.

663
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so.

664
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Speaker 7: John mcintee was hired into the Trump administration as kind

665
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 7: of a personal aid to Trump. He was head of

666
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Speaker 7: the White House Personnel Office, and there's a wonderful article

667
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 7: in The Atlantic, I believe about how insane that office was.

668
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 7: He had a habit of hiring really hot women and

669
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Speaker 7: really unattractive men who were non threatening to him. And

670
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 7: as head of that office, he was in charge of

671
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 7: basically bringing on liaisons who would operate as the go

672
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 7: betweens between the White House and major federal agencies.

673
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Speaker 5: And his reputation was that.

674
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Speaker 7: He would only hire diehard Trump loyalists who were extremely

675
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 7: aggressive in their relationships with these federal agencies. Would constantly

676
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 7: be pressuring other government officials outside of the White House,

677
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 7: sort of direct sphere to show more loyalty to Trump,

678
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 7: bad mouthing people who he perceived as like not being

679
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 7: super loyal to Trump. In twenty eighteen, he actually got

680
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 7: fired from the White House because failed background check.

681
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Speaker 2: I'm shocked, shocking.

682
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Speaker 7: He you can kind of tell just by his general

683
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 7: vibe apparently had a concerning gambling habit sports gambling in

684
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 7: particular was I think the one it was. But he

685
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 7: was basically ousted from the White House and in twenty

686
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 7: twenty was re hired by the Trump campaign to serve

687
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 7: as sort of like a personnel liaison. And yeah, obviously

688
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 7: Trump loses in twenty twenty, but mcintee, even in the

689
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 7: last days of the administration, was still planning out, interviewing

690
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 7: and vetting potential hires for a second Trump term. He

691
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 7: was a true believer that the election had been stolen.

692
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 7: He actually wrote a memo to Mike Pence's chief of

693
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 7: staff talking about how, like h. Thomas Jefferson used his

694
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 7: vice presidential powers to secure the presidency and making like

695
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 7: a very very dubious legal argument about how Mike Pence

696
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 7: could usurp the certification of Biden's election. But to the

697
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 7: very end, he was still helping Donald Trump prepare for

698
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 7: a second term amidst all of the like efforts to

699
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 7: overturn the twenty twenty election that didn't pan out. In

700
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 7: that in between, mac and Tee launched, along with two

701
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 7: other co founders, and the backing of Peter Teel launched

702
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 7: the Right Stuff, which was is because it still exists

703
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 7: despite its lack of performance. A dating app aimed at conservatives,

704
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 7: and from its launch, the app was a bit of

705
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 7: a joke. It really lacked female users, It was overrun

706
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 7: by trolls.

707
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was invite only when it.

708
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 7: First launched, and like people were just like giving out

709
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 7: the invites willy nilly. So they ended up getting like

710
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 7: a bunch of journalists infiltrating the app, a bunch of

711
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 7: trolls who just joined it to sort of annoy other

712
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 7: like diehard conservatives who were trying to use it seriously.

713
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 7: And then the FBI started contacting users because you know,

714
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 7: if you've ever used like Tinder or Bumble, they'll give

715
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 7: you like those little prompts like what is your perfect

716
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 7: date light go blah blah blah. One of the prompts

717
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 7: was January sixth was oh yes, they was like January

718
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 7: sixth was blank, And a bunch of like people on

719
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 7: the app started writing stuff in response to that, indicating

720
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 7: that they had been at the riot or like been

721
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 7: at the protest. So they started getting contacted by the FBI,

722
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 7: and you know, it was just a flop and a

723
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 7: terrible way to launch.

724
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 5: And this endeavor.

725
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 7: The thing that did not flop and has not been

726
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 7: flopping is the Right Stuff's TikTok, which seems to be

727
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 7: what MC and tee has been doing while he waits

728
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 7: to see what the outcome of November will be. And

729
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 7: the video about him handing out fake money to homeless

730
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 7: people is the surface of how gross this TikTok account is.

731
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 5: It's not like any other dating app where you'll have.

732
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 7: Like couples talking about how they met or like stupid

733
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 7: little jokes about how shitty it is to date in

734
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 7: these modern times. It's literally just him eating plates of

735
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 7: food and making the most like asinine right wing commentary,

736
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 7: and then it'll veer into like the really racist and

737
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 7: hateful he loves to talk about, like why do white

738
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 7: people get hate for slavery when everyone does it? And

739
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 7: that kind of thing. So it's just like your typical

740
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 7: sort of like right wing trumper who's kind of in

741
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 7: limbo right now and has decided the way he's going

742
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 7: to make a name for himself is by just becoming

743
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 7: like a MAGA influencer.

744
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. One of the videos he showed, he said.

745
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: He was just kidding, Yeah, the whomeless one.

746
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: So I guess he sort of knows that he could

747
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: get in trouble for this.

748
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think he absolutely knows.

749
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 7: I reached out to him for an article we wrote

750
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 7: in Rolling Stone, and when I asked him, like, were

751
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 7: you serious about this? Do you actually do this? He

752
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 7: basically told me to like read the caption of the video. So,

753
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 7: according to him, it's a joke. But once again, I

754
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 7: don't see how anyone with empathy or just like a

755
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 7: monochrome of respect for other people discussing.

756
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's disgusting.

757
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Now we need to talk about Rudy Giuliani has had

758
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: a tough, tough go of it.

759
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: There's a lesson here about being a lawyer for Trump.

760
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: Talk to us about.

761
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 5: Rudy speaking of election deniers.

762
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 7: So, Rudy Giuliani for a long time has had a

763
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 7: radio show hosted by WABC.

764
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Speaker 2: And it's a station owned by John Casta. Mattides.

765
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: Yes, it is Trump humper, John Trump Humper, and yeah,

766
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: and also the guy who owns Cristiities for those of

767
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: you who lip in the Tristate area.

768
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 7: Oh really, I did not know that. Oh yes, well,

769
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 7: I think in the aftermath of the dominion lawsuit, which

770
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 7: was catastrophic for Fox News. A lot of cro Trump

771
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 7: media outlets realized that by continuing to push lies about

772
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty election, they were exposing themselves to litigation.

773
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 7: So WABC instituted a policy basically saying like, we're not

774
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 7: gonna air claims disputing the legitimacy of the twenty twenty election,

775
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 7: and last week Castidian WABC announced that Giuliani's radio show

776
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 7: had not only been canceled, but that Giuliani had been

777
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 7: suspended indefinitely because as it goes, According to Casta Mattides,

778
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 7: Giuliani had been warned multiple times that he was not

779
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 7: allowed to continue espousing like his conspiracy theories about the

780
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 7: twenty twenty election, and he directly told him, I'm not

781
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 7: gonna stop.

782
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 5: By a right to say this. You can't stop me.

783
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: So they were like, all right, we're not going to

784
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 5: air your shit.

785
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 7: And you know, Giuliani has been taking el's all over

786
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 7: the place regarding the election conspiracy theories at best.

787
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, he now is.

788
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 7: Like one hundred and forty eight million dollars to two

789
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 7: Georgia election workers that he spread conspiracy theories about He's

790
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 7: obviously indicted in Georgia. I believe he also got indicted

791
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 7: in Arizona, and he's on the hook for a ton

792
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 7: of attorneys fees that he has not paid. And I

793
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 7: think it just goes to show. And I'm we're seeing

794
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 7: it a lot as well, with the current Trump trial

795
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 7: in Manhattan and Michael Cohen's testimony that the people in

796
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 7: Trump's Trump so far has not been held to account

797
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 7: in any legal way about over the shit heepoled in

798
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 7: twenty twenty. The people who are typically held to account

799
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 7: are the lawyers, the lackeys, the ass kissers around him,

800
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 7: And I just don't it boggles my mind how someone

801
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 7: who's been put through the wringer like this, with like lawsuits,

802
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 7: criminal indictments, like even your lawyers are like, we can't

803
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 7: represent you anymore because you're not paying us, would still

804
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 7: be pushing to protect Trump in this way, with like

805
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 7: the idea that it will save him. It's never saved anyone.

806
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 7: He throws anyone under the bus as soon as they

807
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 7: become a problem for him. So I don't know, you'd

808
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 7: think he would have learned his lesson. He absolutely has not.

809
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny, though, it.

810
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 5: Is pretty funny, Like I have no sympathy for these people.

811
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: It's a real lesson to other people.

812
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: So talk to us about what else you're seeing in

813
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: this cast of characters, you know, the sort of that

814
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: outer layer of Trump World. I mean some of them

815
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: are going to the trial with him, some of them,

816
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: what are they up to?

817
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 2: These people?

818
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 7: All of these people are, you know, making their pilgrimages

819
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 7: to Manhattan to show support for Trump, just like flitting

820
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 7: around like little gnats around his head because they're all

821
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 7: looking for a place in a potential future in minutes

822
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 7: A A lot of them are up for reelection, especially

823
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 7: the ones that are showing up to the trials, So

824
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 7: they want that endorsement. They want to attach themselves to

825
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 7: Trump and hope that the enthusiasm for him among his

826
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 7: base continues to rub off on them. But I think

827
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 7: a lot of people are really just waiting in the wings,

828
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 7: making themselves available and showing that when Trump comes in.

829
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 7: And this will take us back a little bit to mcine.

830
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 7: We spoke to some sources in Trump world who say

831
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 7: that Trump remains like really enthusiastic about potentially hiring him.

832
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 7: If mcine were to be hired, he would have a

833
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 7: very similar job as he had for the first Trump

834
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 7: administration and on the twenty twenty campaign, which is ensuring

835
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 7: that all the federal agencies, all of the cabinet positions,

836
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 7: all of the staffing that Trump would have to do,

837
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 7: is filled by people who are Trump loyalists, sickophants, unquestioning

838
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 7: allies who would not present a barrier to the agenda

839
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 7: that the conservative movement would try to implement if Trump won.

840
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 7: Mcinte was actually higher by the Heritage Foundation to be

841
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 7: like a consultant on Project twenty twenty five and on

842
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 7: a massive database they're building on potential people who are

843
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 7: ultra conservative, pro Trump, die hard Republicans to like basically

844
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 7: have a hiring database on day.

845
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 5: One of a second Trump administration.

846
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Speaker 1: Jessie Same, can you give us like two seconds on

847
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: Laura Lowe Lumer and all the sort of rest of

848
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: those kind of the Trump media industrial complex.

849
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Speaker 7: See, Laura Lumer is one of those figures where I

850
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 7: know there's been a lot of chatter about like her

851
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 7: potentially being hired.

852
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: Right, No, she's never gonna get hirghed, She's ever going

853
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: to begin buy uber. I mean that's pretty bad.

854
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've seen these people before.

855
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 7: Laura Lumer, surprisingly enough, has endured, whereas people like Milo

856
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 7: Unopolis were kind of just like cast out in the

857
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 7: aftermath of like twenty sixteen then the Trump administration. But

858
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 7: I think with every Trump's cycle we see the resurgence

859
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 7: of the cast of characters who are pushing the misinformation,

860
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 7: saying the things that Trump and other elected officials sort

861
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 7: of hedge or feel like they can't present in any

862
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 7: way outside of like very carefully crafted political speak. They

863
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 7: are surrogates. They are fundamentally mouthpieces for the campaign, for

864
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 7: the administration. They are convenient assets, many of whom are

865
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 7: delusional in the notion that they will be granted positions

866
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 7: of higher power if Trump gets re elected. But I

867
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 7: think we've seen it in Trump's last two campaigns. He's

868
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 7: perfectly happy to use these people as his surrogates, as

869
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 7: his little angry minions. If he wins. They'll continue spouting

870
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 7: their bullshit, they'll continue spreading misinformation, they'll continue supporting his agenda.

871
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 7: But I frankly don't think a lot of the Laura

872
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 7: Lumer types are actually going to make it into government positions.

873
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, I mean, and there are people just

874
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Speaker 1: as bad as Laura Long Lumer probably well, but yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and who have been much more careful about their

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Speaker 7: public presentation. Laura Lumer is considered a crazy person even

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Speaker 7: in Republican circles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but there are quite a few other

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Speaker 1: mac and mac and T is the really scary one.

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Speaker 7: It's terrifying, but I think it's also just like a

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Speaker 7: really good example of the type of person that I

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Speaker 7: think would make it into a Trump administration because I

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Speaker 7: was not fully aware of him before I started seeing. First,

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Speaker 7: I started seeing like one of his less less egregious tiktoks.

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Speaker 7: I saw one where he was like shitting on the irs,

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Speaker 7: which like cool, the irs sucks, And became more aware

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Speaker 7: of him after I started seeing people like stitching his

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Speaker 7: videos and dunking on him.

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Speaker 5: And I think the Homelessness video, which really exploded, finally

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Speaker 5: drew the connection for people like, oh my god, that's

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Speaker 5: this guy and this is just sort of like a

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Speaker 5: rest stop that he's inhabiting between now and November is

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Speaker 5: so bad, it's really cross.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Nikki, No of Court, It's always my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: No Mo.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Canon, Mai jungk Fest.

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Speaker 3: You know how like the kids say that people are

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Speaker 3: entering their blank era. I feel like Rudy is still

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Speaker 3: in his rake face era.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but and I think

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Speaker 1: that's something the youngs say to each other. But I

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Speaker 1: would like to say Rudy Giuliani's eightieth birthday, he had

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Speaker 1: it at a political Republican political strategist for Carrie Lake's

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Speaker 1: house in Palm Beach.

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Speaker 2: That sentence is pretty cursed. It was a big group of.

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Speaker 1: People, and hidden among those people was the process server

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Speaker 1: who actually sang him happy birthday. Oh what a happy birthday.

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Speaker 1: It was birthday. By the way, his birthday is until

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Speaker 1: later in the week the present. He celebrates his birthday

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Speaker 1: on the Friday of the week. But anyway, right, he

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Speaker 1: had just tweeted about how much he was not going

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Speaker 1: to be served, and how he was did not want

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Speaker 1: to be served, and how he wasn't going to be served,

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Speaker 1: and how he was going to get off, and it

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Speaker 1: turns out that in fact none of that was true

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Speaker 1: and he got served. In Rudy Giuliani his eightieth birthday

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Speaker 1: is our moment of fuck ray. That's it for this

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Speaker 1: To hear the best minds in politics makes sense of

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