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Speaker 3: Episode, Welcome In. Welcome In.

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Speaker 4: so some of you are in your rookie drafts, you're

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Speaker 4: about to start your rookie drafts. Like JJ and I,

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Speaker 4: we have our league that we're in and it's going

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Speaker 1: I mean I was happy I got the I have

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Speaker 1: I look, it was an orphan that I took over.

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Speaker 1: And last year I was really mad at some of

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Speaker 1: the diversification choices that I made in that draft. But

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Speaker 1: we'll get past that, uh, because like I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm in a lot of dynasty leagues and I had

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Speaker 1: O four. I took over an orphan a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: It's not a bad team from value perspective. It was

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Speaker 1: probably like middle of the road within that league right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, and.

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Speaker 2: I was just hoping that, like I would I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The two oh one came around that I had traded

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Speaker 1: But then I got ty Simpson just because that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm also fine with it in that kind of format

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Speaker 4: I have been I'm also in a rebuild, but it

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Speaker 1: According to Dynasty Daddy front of the show Dynasty hyphendaddy

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Speaker 1: I'd be feeling a lot better if I wasn't a

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Speaker 2: I'm not in enough anymore.

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Speaker 2: I just need some of these guys to hit.

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Speaker 2: Now you're trying to use their their current value.

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Speaker 4: And so I can update some of these, you know,

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Speaker 4: other rebuilding teams. But anyways, if if you haven't got

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Speaker 4: JJ Darren says, I can hang out during the day

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Speaker 4: because I'm a CEO, just like JJ.

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Speaker 2: Did you even intro that way today? I didn't even

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like your mail bag one.

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Speaker 2: They won, huh.

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Speaker 4: They won the anti CEO c O anti C suite mob.

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Speaker 4: They won out. I'll introduce it next week.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm pretty anti c sweet as well, so it's fine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, And then Kareem says, I have a

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Speaker 4: Ricky Debbie draft that already finished, took Cam Coleman for

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Speaker 4: next season, Adam Randall and John Michael Gillenborg in the fifth.

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Speaker 4: The picks this year are just been crazy. Yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's why, that's why I gotta do some research. Even

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Speaker 4: I just couldn't get over it, just like the lack

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, it's a historically bad draft class

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Speaker 2: But then Kaylon Black is a third round pick.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about that in a second. And speaking of Godula,

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Speaker 4: he's been putting out some bangers with a newsletter as well,

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Speaker 4: So sign up for the newsletter. And with that being said, JJ,

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Speaker 2: Today's fantasy news.

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Speaker 4: All right. We got to just a hodgepodge of news,

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Speaker 4: you need to start filtering out what is signal, what

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Speaker 4: is noise. Let's start in New Orleans the running back situation.

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Speaker 4: Alvin Kamara says he's excited. He's seen tapes of ETN

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Speaker 4: working with him. What's say you on that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that you know from from an

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Speaker 1: But Alvin Kamara, there's a very real chance because they

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Speaker 1: They can't do it before that because there's like a

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Speaker 1: If they were to do that, then it's like twenty

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Speaker 1: the pre deposed June one. Maybe they keep him around

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Speaker 1: because the Saints are kind of like a you know,

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Speaker 1: like the Steelers in a way, but that that's sometimes

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I tweeted about it, but it

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Speaker 1: was just like what are they doing? Like, why are

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Speaker 1: doesn't really make sense to go this route. But he

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Speaker 1: something along the lines of like him, you know, wanting

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting situation to monitor. You know,

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Speaker 1: he could least, at the very least, I think he

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Speaker 1: can blow up a backfield.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Do I think he's going to be massively valuable himself.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily, yeah, but I think you can go somewhere

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Speaker 1: and like have a role and then lessen the workload

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Speaker 4: All right, let's ping pong a little bit with the

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Speaker 4: news Den because you talked about that. Let's just go

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Speaker 4: to the Rams situation reportedly a fifty to fifty splits

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Speaker 4: ADPs right now are significantly different. So what what say

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right now, Kiren going his has an ADP of

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Speaker 4: They're all right, let's get to another running back situation

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Speaker 1: Look, I think Kenneth Walker is generally drafted where he

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Speaker 1: think that it's valid and you know, makes a lot

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Speaker 2: He landed and you know, being behind.

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Speaker 1: Johnson was like they asked him, like, well, you who

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Speaker 1: Trying to do that to show that he like understands

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Speaker 2: And so like Emma Johnson's that.

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Speaker 1: I do think he's a really, really good backup though,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised that you know that he's Like,

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Speaker 1: I won't be shocked if Emma Johnson has some some

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Speaker 1: serious usability and fantasy football, because I do think he's

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Speaker 2: And they're gonna see that with him in camp.

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Speaker 1: And it's still very tulting to me that Emma Johnson

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Speaker 2: Him to go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's old demon Claiborne. I will say, though, if

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Speaker 4: Amar Demarcado comes in and messes things up for Emma Johnson, we.

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Speaker 2: Gotta stop, guys.

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Speaker 4: A Mari de Marcado is not good, Okay, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: I agree, No, No, I know you're he just I'm

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Speaker 1: It Like, if that's the case, then my Emma Johnson

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Speaker 1: evaluation is just totally wrong, which is possible. Sure, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I'm not scared of him either. I just

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Speaker 4: want playing time for Emma Johnson. I don't want him

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Speaker 1: Might slow roll, you know how it goes with rookies.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not a guarantee.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. Sefon Diggs found not guilty yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that that holding him back

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Speaker 1: and why he wasn't on a team. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was found not guilty. I totally forgot

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Speaker 4: Of that, I didn't see that, like, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Pretty, he was pretty emotionless, but it was still it

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Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't like a OJ you know, relief kind

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, I don't know enough about the case,

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Speaker 1: I don't know whatever to comment on that.

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Speaker 2: I don't really want to, but you.

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Speaker 1: Know him, I do think that's probably probably been what's

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Speaker 2: He was fine last year.

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Speaker 2: So you know, hopefully he finds a spot where he

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Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit bearish on that happening, just

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Speaker 4: Okay, we have word from the Falcons president at football Operations.

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Speaker 4: You might know him as former quarterback Matt Ryan now

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Speaker 4: for the Falcons heard of him. Yeah, I said, we

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Speaker 1: My stance is that I think Tua is going to

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a very real chance at Penix,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't really know how to attack that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you necessarily have to at this.

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Speaker 2: Point in time. But yeah, I mean that's kind of

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Speaker 1: I don't think either of them are their long term

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Speaker 1: three years when when Michael Penix is destroying the league.

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Speaker 4: Yeah please, would you know, anybody want to keep those receipts,

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Speaker 4: You're more than welcome to, especially the anti C suite

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Speaker 2: I'm putting a ninety percent chancy sense of the Steelers. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think last week you were like ninety.

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Speaker 4: With every week does it come down a little bit?

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Speaker 4: He says reportedly he's not going to sign with Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Like that's it's not I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why he would. I he's not money hungry.

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Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. And that's what Arizona.

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Speaker 1: The idea behind Arizona is, why would we pay Jakobe

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't really want to be in that division. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: loved Mike Tomlin. They had a great relationship. Mike Tomlin's

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Speaker 1: not there anymore. We don't know exactly what the McCarthy

442
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Speaker 1: Rodgers relationship looks like. You know, obviously they have a history,

443
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, like, no one really knows right now.

444
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 1: But I think that in these situations, I always try

445
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 1: to like really focus on the actions of the team.

446
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: And yes, the Steelers got Drew Aller, but he's a project.

447
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 1: They have Will Howard and you know, they have Mason Rudolph.

448
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: Like they could hypothetically go into a season with those guys,

449
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: and maybe there weren't other answers, but there were some

450
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: dudes they could have maybe gone after, you know, like

451
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was the one that I thought, Okay, if

452
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Speaker 1: he's going to Vegas, then the Steelers probably feel pretty

453
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: confident about Aaron Rodgers coming back. Maybe that's the wrong read.

454
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Speaker 1: You know, if you're a fan of the team, as

455
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Speaker 1: I am, I think that you kind of hope that

456
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Speaker 1: he doesn't, and you're just like, you know, it's fine.

457
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: They might make the playoffs if he's there, and maybe

458
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Speaker 1: they finally get a playoff win. But I kind of

459
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Speaker 1: just want to I think that the Steelers tanking for a.

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Speaker 2: Year would be a great idea.

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00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: For what's to come in twenty twenty seven. But we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw mock draft were I think five or

464
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 4: six quarterbacks becoming like in the top fifteen next year. Yeah,

465
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Speaker 4: you could have you have your own manning. All right,

466
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 4: this one's exciting. We talks about Brendan Thompson and Chargers.

467
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 4: GM compared him to Tyreek Hill, also DeShawn Jackson, I

468
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 4: think as well, basically any speedy wideouts he compared him to.

469
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Speaker 4: I thought also was interesting what he said about Trey

470
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 4: Harris and lumped him in with Darius Davis, saying they're

471
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Speaker 4: not exactly they haven't exactly established himself, I think was

472
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Speaker 4: what they said. So your take on Brendan Thompson maybe

473
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Speaker 4: cracking this lineup for the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Trey Harris I remember last year with him as a prospect,

475
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: when I evaluated him, I called him like massively volatile, right,

476
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: Like it was just like, yes, his yards perrole run

477
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: profile looked pretty good for the Ones, but it was

478
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Speaker 1: a late breakout and he was old, and it's not

479
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: an easy profile to like really really back. And I

480
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: think we're just seeing the lower end of those outcomes

481
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: for for Trey Harris, Uh, Brendan. The Brennan Thompson stuff

482
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: is funny because I knew this was gonna happen. You know,

483
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel coaches with you know, has Tyreek Hill. He

484
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: loves speed.

485
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Speaker 2: That's why you know.

486
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Speaker 1: Immediately whenever Brendan Thompson was was drafted, I sent that

487
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Speaker 1: tweet that was along lines of like, this is my

488
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: most Mike McDaniel, you know what that I've ever seen.

489
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 2: And then Mike McDaniel comes.

490
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Speaker 1: There's a video that comes out the next day of

491
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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel saying, just get me Brendan Thompson.

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Speaker 2: I just want Brendan Thompson.

493
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Speaker 4: Any would take his shirt off if they drafted Brendan Thompson.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is not surprising because he loves speed. He

495
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Speaker 1: loves deploying and using fast players in his offense. The

496
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Kill comps, though, are so ridiculous to me. Tyreek

497
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Speaker 1: Hill is a one of one, number one, but he's

498
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: also a very compact player, like he's a he got

499
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: a ton of work as like a running.

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00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: Back in college. You know, Brendan Thompson is not that Brennan.

501
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: If you want to squint and say we could see

502
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: Deshan Jackson, that's that's fine.

503
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: That's one thing, right.

504
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think that his top comp in the ZAP model

506
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: makes the most sense, though, which is Tank Dell. Where

507
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: this profile does not hit very frequently, but when it

508
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: does and you get a good coordinator like he has

509
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: with Mike McDaniel, it's really intriguing.

510
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Speaker 2: And Tank Dell had ended up hitting.

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Speaker 1: But with Thompson, I can see an avenue where it's

512
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Speaker 1: not you know, he's not a bad fantasy asset, but

513
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Speaker 1: just stop the Tyreek Hill stuff. He's not Tyreek Hill.

514
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: That's that's a It's the same stuff that people are

515
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Speaker 1: doing with like Zachariah Branch early on in the in

516
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Speaker 1: the prospecting process, where you know he practices with Tyreek

517
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Speaker 1: Hill and their friends apparently or whatever the case may be, he's.

518
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: On Tyreek Hill like he can.

519
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Speaker 1: I actually have done kind I don't want to say

520
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: a one to eighty on Zachariah Branch, but I've drafted

521
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Speaker 1: him and Rookie d because the class is so weak

522
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: and he actually has a pretty decent immediate opportunity for him,

523
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: and there could be a potential for a value gain

524
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Speaker 1: for him. But that profile is not a profile that

525
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna want to invest in heavily slash, you know,

526
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: consistently across my leagues, and so yeah, I mean, I

527
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: think comping anyone to Tyreek Hill is foolish.

528
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill is.

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Speaker 1: A one of one, and we should recognize that before

530
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Speaker 1: we just say this is what this player is.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's talk about the forty nine ers, because.

532
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna get me more fired up.

533
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 4: I was about to say, if you like, you know,

534
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Speaker 4: you haven't tweeted a whole lot, So obviously you've been

535
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: you know, you've been busy. You're in the discord all

536
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Speaker 4: sorts of shows. But some of your tweets are directed

537
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Speaker 4: towards the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: Are you telling me you're saying I'm sub tweeting the

539
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: forty nine ers.

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Speaker 4: I don't know you're subwet. I don't think you're subsweeting.

541
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 4: I think you're you're actually just tweeting at them. And

542
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: and also on the on the flips, have seen people

543
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 4: talk about how the media is covering up for the

544
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 4: forty nine ers major reaches with these draft prospects. So

545
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 4: your thoughts on this Niners media coverage.

546
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: I think the ladder is definitely happening.

547
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: I think that there are media members out there that

548
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: are that are being voices for the forty nine ers

549
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: and saying things like, oh, design stribbling was the you know,

550
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: top wide receiver on this draft board, or you know

551
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: they really like Kaylon Black and this is.

552
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: Why, and you know you're gonna be wrong. We hear

553
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff all the time post draft.

554
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Speaker 1: Just stick with your evaluations, don't be a coward, and

555
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: just you know, this is who we wanted to pick.

556
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, you don't have to make.

557
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: Like like if you're gonna sit there and say we

558
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: don't care about consensus big boards.

559
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: But then at the same time, you know, Shanahan or whoever.

560
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Go out there and be like, well, we know that

561
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: a couple of other teams have design stribbling at the

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00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: top of their board.

563
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: Then then what is it like pick an pick pick

564
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: a lane here.

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Speaker 1: You know, do you think design Stribling was going to

566
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: be drafted five or six picks after you took them? Fine,

567
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: like like, stick with that, But then don't say that

568
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: you don't care about what other teams are thinking, that

569
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: you're sticking to your own big board, because that contradicts

570
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: what you're saying, right, And so my stance is that

571
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: they reached for both of these players. But both of

572
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: those players can still hit, of course, you know, we

573
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: can still recognize that, and there's a lot of people

574
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: out there that are doing some heavy lifting when it

575
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: comes to trying to make a case for a twenty

576
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: four and a half year old running back being drafted

577
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: round three and a week running back class when you know,

578
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: we talked about that at the top, that this running

579
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: back class didn't have a lot of guys drafted. You know,

580
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: Early is a twenty four and a half year old

581
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: running back with one of the worst adjusted receiving yards

582
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: for team past temps rates that you will see in

583
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: the ZAP Model database. I mean, there's there's a lot

584
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: of red flags as Kaylon Black's profile, not to say

585
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: that he can't hit, of course, right, Like we're playing

586
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: the odds here though it's not a good profile objectively,

587
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: and then you look at wider at Design Stribling. I

588
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: don't think Stribling was even the worst Day two pick realistically.

589
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: I thought Caleb Douglass was a worst pick than Design Stribling.

590
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: With that being said, like you know, people keep saying like, oh,

591
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: he was rising up draft boards before the draft, and

592
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: the media didn't really recognize that.

593
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: No, we did, like we listened to Dane Brugler.

594
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: Okay, he's a he's one of the best, if not

595
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: the best, at doing this and understanding what teams are

596
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna do and giving us an information. It's just that

597
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: when you look at the Zoon Stripling's profile, literally all

598
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: of the predictive metrics that we look at, he is

599
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: below average in all of them, below the fiftieth percentile

600
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: and every single thing that you can possibly think of.

601
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: And he's twenty three point six years old.

602
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: He's almost twenty. He's closer to twenty four than twenty three.

603
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of what's going on.

604
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: With his profile is how he finished. You know, it's

605
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: similar to like a Matthew Golden situation, where you know,

606
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: you see how he finishes his season and you know,

607
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: and in these big games and you get enamored with that.

608
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: And so I don't know.

609
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: I also think, though, on the flip side, if I

610
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: were to defend Shanahan a little bit, like there was

611
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: that one clip going around saying that he only saw

612
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: the highlights of Klon Black and they he liked what

613
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: he saw, and like scouts put together the tape and

614
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, there were some funny jokes about how they're

615
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: just doing the same thing that we're doing with YouTube

616
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: highlights and stuff like that. Guys, that's not I mean,

617
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: that's not a surprise that Kyle Shanahan isn't watching every

618
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: single snap of every single prospect like he's he's literally

619
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: acting as a CEO right where he's getting this information

620
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: from scouts below him, and they're putting it together.

621
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: And if that best of the best.

622
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: Of Kaylon Black comes out and he doesn't like it,

623
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: then why would they draft the guy you want to

624
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: see the best so that you can say, Okay, he's

625
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: in our consideration set right now, let's dig in a

626
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: little bit further.

627
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: That's likely what they did with Black. But you can

628
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: say it was bad process or it was a reach.

629
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Don't even say bad process, just say it was a reach,

630
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: while also recognizing that yes, there's a possibility that these

631
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: guys end up working out, like this is a probability

632
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: driven thing. You don't have to think on the extreme

633
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: and just say you're morons. You're at salute morons. These

634
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: guys are gonna suck, or you guys are all morons

635
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: aka the media and the people who are putting all

636
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: these tweets together and analyzing this stuff, and these guys

637
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: are gonna be great. You know, stop talking yourself into

638
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: players and just recognize the reality of the situation and

639
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: that both of these guys have a lot of red flags.

640
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: But we understand that infrastructure wise, it's a really good

641
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: situation in San Francisco, and we understand that they're going

642
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: to be coached well. And this is this is not

643
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: a zero percent chance that nothing happens with these players.

644
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: You know that That's it. That's how I feel about it.

645
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: There's an ESPN article by one of the Niners beat

646
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: writers about how these guys fit into the plans and

647
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: saw where they would bring him in slowly possible replacement

648
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: for Juan Jennings, which I'm thinking also like, first of all,

649
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: Juwan Jennings was a seventh round pick, not a second

650
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: round pick. But also when you get talking about Juan Jennings,

651
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: was he ever really fantasy relevant aside from one year

652
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: like in his but he.

653
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: Also well that's the other thing is that he played

654
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: sort of different positions within that offense. That's That's the

655
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: thing that's really important too, is that, like, there are

656
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: certain positions that can thrive in the Shanahan system. But

657
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: I think they like, I think they went after Stribling

658
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: because they thought.

659
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: He was a dog and they wanted the block the

660
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: ability like, and that's what Juwan Jennings is the same way.

661
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: Right, That's that can be considered a better real life

662
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 1: pick than fantasy pick. But I would argue, when you're

663
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: spending a premium selection on a wide receiver, you shouldn't

664
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: be looking at those traits or weighing those traits as

665
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: strongly as the forty nine ers seem to do.

666
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: That's my take with it. Right in the end, though, I.

667
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: Don't think it's like like we can we can we

668
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: can talk about like I'm trying to approach this and

669
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: why I'm talking about it as much as I am

670
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: on the podcast and on Twitter. Is because I do

671
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: think that it's interesting, you know when people say like, oh, well,

672
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: consensus didn't understand because design shribbling was was rising in

673
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: the pre draft boards. Yeah, he was rising, and then

674
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: we got a data point of where it ended right

675
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: before the draft started, which was like ninetieth overall.

676
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: He goes thirty third overall.

677
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: And based on that Chase Stewart chart, you know, the

678
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: stuff that I've talked about on the podcast, that was

679
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: a reach. He's not the first player to ever rise

680
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: from being a Day three pick to being a Day

681
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: two pick.

682
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden last year rose.

683
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: From being a you know, borderline like he was a

684
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: like Day three the college football playoffs happened, turns into

685
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: Day two, the forty happens turns into Day one. You know,

686
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: like players rise all the time. And even still, the

687
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: data suggests that it was a reach. And when you

688
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: have reaches a wide receiver, the results really aren't that

689
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: good from a fantasy football perspective, doesn't mean it can't happen.

690
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: The results historically have just not been good, and so

691
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: you can create all the narratives that you want.

692
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 2: We're just looking at hard data. That's it. We're just

693
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: looking at history and saying historically, this is the way

694
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: this is gone. Today's data.

695
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: All right, last week we talked top one hundred. Was

696
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: it receivers last week?

697
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember what we did last week? Okay, now

698
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: I think look the reaches last last.

699
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: Week twenty eleven. Now we're talking tight ends.

700
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I keep going on shows and I keep,

701
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, seeing the narrative about Kenyan Sidik and his

702
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: bad production. And so what I wanted to do is

703
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: two things. Number One, give you guys the context of

704
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: age with Kenyan Sidik to show how kind of rare

705
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: it is that he's entering the league as a top

706
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: one hundred pick without having been twenty one and.

707
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: A half years old. Yet he's twenty one point two.

708
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: And so you have that.

709
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: All of these players right here are all of the

710
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: tight ends drafted in the top one hundred since twenty

711
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: eleven who were not twenty one and a half years

712
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: old when drafted. Okay, And then on the right you

713
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: can see their breakout scores. Breakout score is schedule and

714
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: age adjusted receiving yards for team pass attempt. First, I

715
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: would just look at the list in general. Okay, just

716
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: look at the list. It's filled with a lot of

717
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: hits at tight end, like a lot of Fantasy relevant players.

718
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: The players who are not Fantasy relevant, Tommy Tremble, Mason Taylor.

719
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, you could argue, I mean, Kyle Rudolph was

720
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: pretty relevant, Noah Fan was kind of relevant to start

721
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: his career.

722
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: Time have told off.

723
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: Irv Smith is probably the biggest busts on this list

724
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: that had a decent breakout score. But the two biggest

725
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: ones Mason Taylor, who I funny enough talked about to

726
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: start the show, and and Tommy.

727
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: Tremble, their breakout scores were worse than Kenyon Sadiq's.

728
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: Like they were they were not very strong, as you know,

729
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, top one hundred picks, but they were younger,

730
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: and so you have to give them a little bit

731
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: of the benefit of the doubt. You know, that it

732
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: could have gotten better or something like that if you

733
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: look at their overall career numbers. But the breakout scores

734
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: for them were still not like horrific right now. So

735
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: so you look at this list as a whole and

736
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this is a pretty good list.

737
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: You know.

738
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: Max Williams is on there too, and he was a bust.

739
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: But there's a pretty good list overall, top one hundred

740
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: tight ends. You should expect it to be pretty good.

741
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: But you know, the age factor does make this pretty interesting.

742
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: The thing is that when you do layer on breakout score,

743
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: Kenyon sidek is more is closer to the bottom than

744
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: the top, and so I think that that's the right

745
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: framing with Sadiq with his production profile, is that it's

746
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: not a bad production profile. When you look at the

747
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: totality of everything in you age adjust, it's really not

748
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: that bad of a production profile. With that being said,

749
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: the best hits that we've seen from younger from younger

750
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: tight ends have been from guys.

751
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: Who had better breakout scores. Right.

752
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: Look at the top four on this list, Brock Bauers,

753
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, Colston Loveland, Harold Fannin right, And it's one

754
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: of those things where I'm like, man, I would have

755
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: even gotten harder for Harold fannin last year than I

756
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: did had we had this tight end model last year

757
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: versus you know, just this year. But you know, like

758
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: like this is a situation where this is why I'm

759
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: talking about there being some volatility with Kenyon Sidik, but

760
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: also let's not lose sight of how old he is

761
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: because the age factor does matter. So just goes back

762
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: to like me being more in the middle with Kenyon

763
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: sidek and me not totally buying into this narrative that

764
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: he can't be productive or that he's not productive, but

765
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: then also recognizing the red flags which is within the the.

766
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: The bucket of younger tight ends.

767
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Yes, his production profile could have been a little bit

768
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: better when you layer on top of that draft capital.

769
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: This Jets experiment could go one of many ways this year,

770
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: so it will be interesting to see what happens there

771
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 4: with that, with that Jets before what's that I said

772
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 4: for sure? Yeah, yeah, like I even I'm even liking

773
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: like Garrett Wilson.

774
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: You know, guys, I think the Jets offense could be decent. Yeah,

775
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: like like especially, you know. The problem is, like Garrett

776
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: Wilson from an ADP perspective early on is going amongst

777
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: like I love that group of wide receivers so much.

778
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's top to bottom. Lad McConkie, Luther Burden.

779
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: Even I think Roma Dunday should be higher than he's going.

780
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of a dooenda right now. But

781
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: like you know, the Bears wide outs, even Terry McLaurin,

782
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, DJ Moore, Like, there's so many good wide

783
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: receivers there that I'm not reaching for Garrett Wilson, but

784
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: I get it, like I think that he could still

785
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: see you know, good work and Breeze Hall.

786
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: It's the same deal.

787
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: All right. Let's talk about some other veterans and the

788
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 4: ones that came out on top based on their teams

789
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: that did not draft their replacement.

790
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: It's the late round, main event, all right.

791
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 4: Let's start with Cam Scataboo and Tyrone Tracy JJ.

792
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna look at veteran winners from the

793
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, so semming from the draft basically teams who

794
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: didn't invest in certain positions and how that impacts the

795
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: veterans that were already there. Shocker, there's gonna be a

796
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: lot of running backs on this list because the running

797
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: back class was terrible, right, But look, I think the

798
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Giants running backs are big winners because they didn't end

799
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: up getting Jeremiah Love when they were linked to him.

800
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: Obviously they didn't even have the opportunity to get Love.

801
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: But maybe they were gonna trade up. You know, maybe

802
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: something was gonna happen there they didn't get. So now

803
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: we're looking at Cam Scattaboo coming off that injury. I

804
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: think it speaks to the fact like they didn't get

805
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: a running back, Like I think that speaks to Scataboo's

806
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: recovery to a degree as well.

807
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: And last year.

808
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think Skataboo is ever gonna be

809
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: a big play running back. He wasn't that in college.

810
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: He wasn't that last year. Uh, He's not the most

811
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: explosive from that perspective, But the dude is I mean,

812
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: the bull dozing noss to his game one hundred percent

813
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: translated from college to pros.

814
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: Like we saw it last year. It worked. You know,

815
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: it's a thing.

816
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Last year he had seven games with a normal you know,

817
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: like like Belkowish workload, seven top twenty four performances in

818
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: those seven games. So I think it's good for Skataboo.

819
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, am I incredibly incredibly bullish on him from

820
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: like a best ball perspective right now? I think that

821
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: his ADP is lowered than it should be, just because

822
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: that was factoring in some of the Jeremiah Love stuff.

823
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna draft him, I'd get on it

824
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: now and try to get some of that cam Skataboo.

825
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's really like realistically, what

826
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: like do you think he rises to like late round

827
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: three in these things, or like part.

828
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 4: Of it's gonna be health related how he progresses, Like

829
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: what do he It's like emo cowboys of this. I'm

830
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: mixed on camps Kataboo. He has a lead explosion but

831
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: suffered a pretty gnarly injury and we have bad history

832
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: of returning from his prices and awful but also now

833
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: Naggy instead of Dave. All tough to decide. I will

834
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 4: say this. Whenever I was looking for images of cams

835
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: Kataboo for the thumbnail, the top image is him on

836
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: the ground with his foot face in the opposite direction.

837
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, ye and so like it was

838
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: it was a bad injury. But also if there's one

839
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: guy that's gonna play with that injury, it seems like

840
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: it's Camskataboo.

841
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: It's just I don't think that there's been enough movement

842
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: in the market with them not going love, which I'm not.

843
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: Usually the market movement happens when there's an action and

844
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: not an inaction, right, and so there wasn't anything, so like,

845
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: you know, it's similar like well, like we know aj

846
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: Brown is going to be dealt, but even still, I

847
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: think his ADP is going to go up once he

848
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: gets dealt, you know, or like DeVante Smith will go

849
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit too. And so yeah, I mean

850
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: I maybe I have the wrong read, but I do

851
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: think that's Scataboo and Tracy both like you could draft

852
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: them now, but I want to kind of revisit it

853
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: once once June and July hit.

854
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: No for sure, and the same thing on Tracy. Tracy's

855
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: like the forgotten man right now.

856
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've been a Tracy Truther since he

857
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: came out, And like, I think that this combo is

858
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: just really, really good. I remember I had Steve Palozolo

859
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: on perspectives and we we were like.

860
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: Like, why what's wrong with their duo? Like their duo

861
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: is a really.

862
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Good, complimentary duo and they should just stick with that,

863
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: and they are going to stick with that.

864
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this team is going to be better I

865
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: think this year as well. They made some smart moves

866
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: in the off season. All right, let's get on to

867
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 4: number two, Chase Brown. He just keeps surviving every draft.

868
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: Every draft, Chase Brown survives. I thought there was a chance.

869
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: That they would invest they you know, they got TODJ.

870
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: Brooks last year. I thought there's a chance they would

871
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: get someone this year.

872
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: They didn't. But Chase Brown, I think.

873
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: Is just really misunderstood and miss priced in Fantasy football

874
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: right now. Where in redraft, you know, dynasty, this is

875
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: still a vulable profile in my opinion, but in redraft,

876
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: the dude last year, I think there's a lot of

877
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: anchoring bias going on because he started slow and everyone's like, oh,

878
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: you're an idiot for calling him a target, and you know,

879
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: I heard it all.

880
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: I get it.

881
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: But Chase Brown, when you look at the switch when

882
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: they went to Flacco last year, so you can bind

883
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: Flacco and Burrow sixty seven percent running back rush are

884
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: and a fourteen percent target share per game, nineteen point

885
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: four PPR points per game from Week six onward. It

886
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: was just the first month that he sucked, and then

887
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: from then on he was a great fantasy asset with

888
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow from Week eight onward, mostly Burrow twenty one

889
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: and a half PPR points per game. Only jamiir Give,

890
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and Bjohn Robinson were better than Chase Brown

891
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: during that stretch. I don't understand if you go to

892
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: DraftKings right now and you're doing a best ball draft,

893
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: there's an actual gap between Kenneth Walker and Saquon Barkley

894
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: and those running backs. There's a couple of wide receivers

895
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: and Trey McBride mixed in there to Chase Brown. Chase

896
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Brown deserves to be a one two turn player like legitimately,

897
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: and I'm surprised that he goes. I've seen him go

898
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: in the third round of some of these drafts, and

899
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: I wish I had more front half of the first

900
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: round picks because then you can get him in the

901
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: second really easily. But man, I mean, it's a good offense.

902
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: We know that there's not much competition slash competition change

903
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: for him in that backfield.

904
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: They gave him the rock a lot, and they've been

905
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: using him and deploying.

906
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: Him a lot as a pass catcher like they've done

907
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: that consistently. So because of that consistency year over here,

908
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: it makes me feel stronger about the projection for Chase Brown.

909
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: I think he's way underrated right now.

910
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, also would be great for some people that have TODJ.

911
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: Brooks bags if he could somehow surpass p Ryan in

912
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: this depth chart too and become the main backup. We'll see,

913
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: all right, Packers wide receivers are number three on the list.

914
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be drafting so much Jaden Reid this year.

915
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm drafting a lot of Jayden Reid this year

916
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: because his slot rates so far in the NFL seventy

917
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: four percent to seventy six percent every single season, so

918
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: very consistent usage. But obviously the Packers have rotated their

919
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: wide receivers a lot. Last year, Jayden Reid thirty eight

920
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: snaps out wide. That's it, that's core a PFF. In

921
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: eighteen games in twenty twenty four, eighty nine out snaps

922
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: out wide. Okay, so he's barely playing on the perimeter.

923
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: A typical perimeter receiver is going to be at like

924
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: four hundred snaps or so on the on the outside.

925
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: So Jayden Reid, as we know, very clearly a slot

926
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: player for green Bay. But Green Bay has also had

927
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: a lot of depth at wide receiver. It hasn't been

928
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: like amazing depth, but they they've had depth, right, But meanwhile,

929
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: Jaden Reid's been really efficient yards broa run rates of

930
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: two point two, two point zero five, and one point

931
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: eight three over his three NFL seasons. And then there's

932
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden, who is the other guy that they're relying

933
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: on in this trio and eleven personnel, who I think here,

934
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think that they'd probably start the

935
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: year in like a two wide receiver set with Matthew

936
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: Golden and Christian Watson, right, So we're not gonna see

937
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: as much Jaden Reid there. But the beauty about Jaden

938
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: Reid is number one, he could still rotate in more,

939
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: which I think will happen.

940
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 2: But number two, you're using.

941
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: You're using Matthew Golden as like he's the guy blocking

942
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: Jayden Reid from seeing more work. And there's nothing that

943
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: suggests that Matthew Golden is a phenomenal player, you know,

944
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: like I actually think in Dynasty he's a bad buye.

945
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: In Redraft he's a goodbye just because there is that

946
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: still like ambiguity and the potential for something to happen here.

947
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: But his peripherals were not strong last year.

948
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: He just will have that opportunity, but it's nice that

949
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: he's the guy that's in the way for Jaden Reed

950
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: to play in more two wide receiver sets and Jayden

951
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: Reid has got a new contract. So I just like

952
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: the Packers in general, like they've they've been top thirteen

953
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: in touchdowns per game every single year of Matt Lafleur's career.

954
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: It's an offense, so we can bank on to be

955
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: relatively good and Jaden Reid has an opportunity this year

956
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: to sincerely see a lot more work in that offense.

957
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: For Dack said a Vantage Lay Round show today with

958
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: Tracy and Jayden Reid talk with all you are getting

959
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: way for another treat because number four on the list

960
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: mister bay Shall, Tuton bay.

961
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: Shall, Tutin Baby.

962
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: The Jags made no investment in the draft at running back,

963
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: and then this offseason all they did was get Chris Rodriguez.

964
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: I think there's likely a committee that's going to happen.

965
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: I've talked about that at length, but Chris Rodriguez has

966
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: six career receptions and I said this on the show,

967
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: the free agency show that I did. Historically, it's very

968
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: hard to find a player through the first three years

969
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: who has sub twenty receptions, becoming something significant as a

970
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: receiver in any way, shape or form. I say significant,

971
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: I just mean like, like, you know, a decent target share.

972
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying like a massive one.

973
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: And so I think that base Shall Tutin has a

974
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: lot of opportunity in front of him in a good

975
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: offense and one that we think is going to score

976
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: a lot of points. And you know, you could make

977
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: the argument that he's going to be a between the

978
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: twenties guy that we don't want, kind of like Bucky Irving,

979
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, where they have kind of gain well now

980
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: who can still work as a receiver. They have Sean

981
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: Tucker who can get the goal line work. Where does

982
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: that leave Bucky Irving? It leaves him in no man's land, right,

983
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: But I think that that's reflected generally in the by

984
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: the market. In an ADP, base Shall Tutin you can

985
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: still get at the early in the early sixth round

986
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: at times, or a lot of times in these in

987
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: these DraftKings, best ball drafts, Bucky Irving goes a little

988
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: bit before that, you know, like a round before that.

989
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: But I just think Tutin is the upside play, you know,

990
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez is the floor play. I think think he's

991
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: better in best ball than season long Chris Rodriguez because

992
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna get something from him and you don't have

993
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: to guess when that touchdowns coming or anything like that.

994
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: But Toutin is the guy who, in my opinion, has

995
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: the ceiling. And in fantasy football, if you're in the

996
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: sixth round of a draft, you're especially in season long,

997
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: like if that translates sots, Let's say he's a fifth

998
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: round pick in season long, right, that is the perfect

999
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of player, especially if you go running back heavy

1000
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: early and get one or two in the first couple

1001
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: of rounds. That's a perfect kind of running back to

1002
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: throw in your roster. And if it goes south, he'll

1003
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: probably still have some sort of flex role, but it

1004
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: could very easily go the opposite direction where he's just

1005
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: like a borderline league winner. So I think range of

1006
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: outcomes wise, I love this for base Shall Tuton, And

1007
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: not only that they invested a lot in tight ends,

1008
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: they showed us they want to run more twelve personnel

1009
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: and that's gonna help the run game as well, get

1010
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: more of that blocking. So I love base Shall Tooton.

1011
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: Not only mind Chris Rodriguez, but I think Touton has

1012
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: the most upside.

1013
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 4: Okay, let's go to a guy that benefited last year

1014
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: from the Bears drafting him in the seventh round. People

1015
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: in the late run discord are all about that, and

1016
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: then this year not drafting a running back.

1017
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, Look, I think Kyle Manungai was good last year,

1018
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: better than what I expected for sure, but he still

1019
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: was not a big pass catcher, like he didn't play

1020
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 1: that role that much. And so with DeAndre Swift still there,

1021
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna still see that one two punch

1022
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: and probably a relatively similar workload is what we saw

1023
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: down the stretch with these guys like he He only

1024
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: had a route share above forty three times last year,

1025
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: which is not very strong at all. But I don't

1026
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: think that really is going to change that dramatically year

1027
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: over year. I still say, though, like I said at

1028
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: the top, him and Blake Korum are both really intriguing

1029
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: because they could have some flex appeal just naturally, like

1030
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: like week in, week out without an injury, but when

1031
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: there's an injury, you can see that upside. Last year,

1032
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: there was that one game where Kyle mcanunguy had more

1033
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: than a sixty percent snapshare and he was the RB

1034
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: three in scoring that week. So there's most definitely upside

1035
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: with Kyle mcnunguy because he's a above average running back

1036
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: who can like just play that role and just grind

1037
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: out some yards and it's in a good offense. He

1038
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: had a good line like he can he can do work.

1039
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: So I am I'm intrigued by Manonguy. I think it's

1040
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: a really good sign that they didn't draft anyone in

1041
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: the draft.

1042
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: Okay, let's get to number six, brock Bauers. Boy, this

1043
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 4: wide receiver room, you have to think they might they

1044
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 4: might hit the uh the free agent market because if

1045
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: Jalen Naylor is you know who they're depending on that

1046
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: wide receiver.

1047
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: Jack Besh and Dante Thornton and Trey Tucker.

1048
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the guy that they drafted in Benson,

1049
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: it's like he's just another like Trey Tucker type. Like

1050
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: it just doesn't doesn't make that much sense to me.

1051
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: But regardless, Uh, brock Bauers I think is a huge

1052
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: winner right now because they didn't really do anything a

1053
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver and and uh, he could just be a

1054
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: target hog in that offense, because I think Miami right

1055
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: now probably is the only team that has a worst

1056
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver room than than Vegas at the moment. So, uh,

1057
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, brock Bauer's second best target share at tight

1058
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: end last year. Hopefully there's an upgrade at quarterback, even

1059
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: if it's Kirk Cousins, it should be an upgrade. Uh,

1060
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, based on what they had going last year.

1061
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: When you combine the quarterback with the new head coach

1062
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: and Klint Kubiak and him running the offense. Brock Bowers

1063
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to probably rank in my next iterations above

1064
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Trey McBride in in my my redrift. I think trade

1065
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: McBride is overvalued right now. I think brock Bowers is

1066
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: probably a little bit undervalued.

1067
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of volatility in that room. Okay, you've

1068
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: got Javonte Williams up here at number seven. Yeah, you've

1069
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: talked about it. That the the backup running backs there

1070
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: in Dallas. Uh not great?

1071
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're they're deuptart right now. Is Malik Davis

1072
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: Jayden Blue and film offa.

1073
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 4: Malik Davis in drafts or not even he's not even

1074
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: being drafted as a backup. Probably the only backup from

1075
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 4: a team that doesn't get drafted every single draft in

1076
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 4: Bestball Leagues.

1077
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, Javonte Williams, I didn't think he

1078
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: was like amazing last year from like an effectiveness standpoint,

1079
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: hit a bad yards per rout run rate, which is

1080
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: kind of red not kind of. It is a red

1081
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: flag generally speaking depending on where his adp lands. But

1082
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: in the end, good offense should get a lot of work.

1083
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to overthink some of this stuff with

1084
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: with these players. When when there was like a decent

1085
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: enough backup that I would be concerned about, and when

1086
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: the profile of the individual player isn't that strong, like

1087
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: like or he doesn't have a backbone of being a

1088
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: good prospect or anything like that. You know, he was

1089
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: like a Day three pick or something. That scares me

1090
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: more of investing in that guy. I think Chuba Hubbard

1091
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: was kind of that profile last year where I liked

1092
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Rico Doubtell enough as a backup, and then Chuba was

1093
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: being boosted by this perceived volume that he was going

1094
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: to see. This is different because because even if I

1095
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: don't think Javonte Williams is unbelievable, the backup situation is

1096
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: horrific in Dallas right now, like Malink Davis is flashed fine,

1097
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: Jayden Blue there's some upside from like a speed perspective.

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00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: Phil Maffa is the definition of a plotter, you know,

1099
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: and so him being top fifteen in rush share and

1100
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: route share last year in this offense, I think Javonte

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00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: Williams is fine, and I'm trying not to overthink that

1102
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: whole situation.

1103
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: Okay, last, but not least, you got Josh Downs.

1104
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: This is a Jayden Reid situation like all over again,

1105
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: except I think it's more intriguing from the standpoint of

1106
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: Josh Downs really playing more on the outside because Jayden

1107
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Reid has Matthew Golden, which at least has some upside

1108
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: Josh Downs right now, they lost Michael Pittman.

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00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: They didn't draft a wide receiver until the end of

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00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: the draft. They got Dion.

1111
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: Burks, who's a slot guy. Dian Burk's one hundred and

1112
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: eighty pounds, and Josh Downs is one of the best

1113
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: slot players in the league. He's better than Dion Burks

1114
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: at playing slot receiver at the very least when you're

1115
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: looking at the twenty twenty sixth season, right So, It's

1116
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: very similar to Jayden Reid in that this career slot

1117
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: guide Josh Downs was in like the seventy five to

1118
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: eighty one percent range in terms of slot rate throughout

1119
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: his career.

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00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: You know, each season.

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00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: It's just like Jayden Reid, He's gonna, I mean, the

1122
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: only thing in his way. He had eighty two out

1123
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: wide snaps last year, Josh Downs. But the only thing

1124
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: in his way right now is Nick Westbrook a Keene.

1125
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Like that compared to Matthew and Ashton Doolan, that compared

1126
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: to Matthew Golden. At least you can make the argument

1127
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: that that Golden could turn things around and he has

1128
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: upside and he's a first round pick and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1129
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: Try making the argument for Nick Westbrook a Keene, you know,

1130
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: like that he scores touchdowns, or that he did that

1131
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: one time, you know that one that one season. It's

1132
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: just a really really difficult argument to make, in my opinion.

1133
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: So I think they're they're a team that could go

1134
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: out and get like a Juwan Jennings or something like that.

1135
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: But regardless if they don't do that, which I think

1136
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: that his ADP is not baking that in at all. Like,

1137
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: you can definitely draft Josh Downs a lot right now.

1138
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: I think he's just in store for a potential breakout season.

1139
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: Downs is because we could finally see that shift from

1140
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: him being more of a slot player to more of

1141
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: an outside player. So love me some Josh Downs. And

1142
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: then honorable mention I'll throw out there. The Texans didn't

1143
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: do anything a running back, so David Montgomery I think

1144
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: is a winner as well.

1145
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good Honorable Mention is a guy that.

1146
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1147
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: It took me a little bit of getting used to

1148
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: seeing him where he's going I think, like in the

1149
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: fourth round, fourth or fifth round in drafts, just because

1150
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 4: you don't typically I've been so accustomed the past few

1151
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: years thinking of him as a backup or touchdown only guy.

1152
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: So I have to getting him back into that Bears

1153
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: role at the primary touchdown guy. I could see it.

1154
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: There's a lot of players like that.

1155
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: Again, going back to what I think earlier with Javonte Williams,

1156
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: there's there's players like that him Javonte where I'm just like,

1157
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess those are the two that really

1158
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: stand out. Where do I think that they're amazingly good?

1159
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: Running backs.

1160
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: No do I think teams might like them more than

1161
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: the fantasy community would. Yes, And therefore they have pretty

1162
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: insulated volume and work, and.

1163
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: So they're not fades for me.

1164
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: They're not like hyper targets for me, because I don't

1165
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 1: think the upside is that out of control. But they're

1166
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: not going to be fades for me because there is

1167
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: that downside installation where like I feel really good about

1168
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: David Montgomery and Javonte Williams getting a lot of work

1169
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: this year just because of look at their backups.

1170
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: You know, Woody Marks was.

1171
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: Not built to be the the bellcal that he was

1172
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: down the stretch last year. And Woody Marks is better

1173
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: than any of the running backs of Dallas as so

1174
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: that's why you know.

1175
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: Dallas is a better environment too.

1176
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: So that's why Javante goes like a round round and

1177
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: a half earlier or whatever, you know, like around earlier.

1178
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: But once you get into that range where David Montgomery

1179
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: goes in drafts in bastball right now, the opportunity cost

1180
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: isn't as significant because where Javonte goes, you're actually drafting

1181
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: him ahead of really really good wide receivers. But there's

1182
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: sometimes this pocket that forms with David Montgomery where all

1183
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: those guys are gone and it's a lot easier to

1184
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: make that click.

1185
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 4: All right, I'm going to ask you about a guy

1186
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 4: that I've been drafting a lot, and it's not because

1187
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: he's like the best in the world. He did come

1188
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 4: on out of kind of out of obscurity after being

1189
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: buried last year. But the Dolphins, we mentioned their their

1190
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 4: wide receiver room, how terrible it is, Greg Dolcic. Yeah,

1191
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: it just continues to be there late rounds and we

1192
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 4: saw what he did last year. They drafted two tight ends,

1193
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: but they were like blocking tight ends. This year, it

1194
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 4: seems like he could be some sort of receiving threat

1195
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 4: and for a team that's going to have to throw

1196
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 4: the ball.

1197
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've been I've been drafting him because

1198
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: here's the other thing too, is that whenever you're doing

1199
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: these best ball drafts, you know you're looking for Lee

1200
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: and I know that we're talking beastball and it's the

1201
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: only stuff that we can really work off of right now.

1202
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 4: Just giving this the only thing other than Dinas that

1203
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 4: there's like we have eightyp's for right now, right so,

1204
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: like and.

1205
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: It's the thing that we're really like working on and

1206
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: doing But yeah, I mean like Dulcic, you know, like

1207
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: he had a game in Week seventeen last year where

1208
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: he scored sixteen Fantasy points. His route share got up

1209
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: in Week eighteen last year. But it's a brand new

1210
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: coaching staff. He was actually not a bad prospect. I

1211
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago I had him as

1212
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: a target, you know, for when he was in Denver.

1213
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1214
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so given the fact there's really nothing there,

1215
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: if you're like panicking with a stack, you can get

1216
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: Malik Willis pretty late, like right, you know, like twelfth

1217
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: round or whatever.

1218
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: And then you know, I like.

1219
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: Throwing darts at Jalen Tolbert in round twenty and then

1220
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: Greg Dolciic in round nineteen twenty. They both make sense

1221
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: as I mean, they're technically winners stemming from the draft.

1222
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: They just are so so their afterthoughts. So I didn't necessarily,

1223
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, want to bring them up on today's show.

1224
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: Sorry, No, I mean you can.

1225
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: Bring it up.

1226
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 4: That's fine, that's fair. All right, let's say goodbye, JJU.

1227
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,120
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1228
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,200
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1229
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: as they are constructive. You know, as long as you

1230
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 4: aren't offending us by calling us names, you can take it. Yeah,

1231
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: you can call us, call it.

1232
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: I've been called everything.

1233
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 4: Called it worse. But yeah, do that on on YouTube

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00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,760
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1235
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,080
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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,040
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1237
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: prospect guide that is out there. JJ, you have any

1238
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 4: final thoughts.

1239
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: No, next week we'll do losers from the draft. You know,

1240
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: it's just that time of year, there's not that much

1241
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: stuff going on. But uh, you know, we gotta we

1242
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: gotta look at the opposite side of this this coin,

1243
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: if you will, and see which players took els after

1244
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: their team drafted, whether the same position or a position

1245
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: that might ruin them, whatever the case may be.

1246
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 4: We need to come up with something for the data

1247
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 4: that's like really like upbeat the same time we talk

1248
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 4: about losers. You gotta like kind of counterbalance, you know,

1249
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: I'm a glass half full type of guy.

1250
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, next week is gonna be pretty tough for

1251
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: you though.

1252
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 4: All right, so we'll appreciate you all for tuning in

1253
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 4: and uh, just being a part of the Late Run family.

1254
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 4: We love you, we appreciate you, and we'll see you

1255
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: next week here on the Late Round Fantasy Football Show.

1256
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Speaker 4: Peace alright,