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Speaker 3: Hey Carly, Hey, how's it going? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Loud and clear, loud and clear, clear, morning morning to Carly.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with this guy Chris?

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Speaker 2: Who? I guess?

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Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us how you met, about any

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Speaker 4: Or yeah?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man. It was such. It was interesting

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Speaker 3: But I met this guy Chris, and she was super hot,

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Speaker 2: That's kind of a bold thing.

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Speaker 1: So you meet a guy in a dating app and

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's how you end up dead. But you

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Speaker 3: And we ended up going to New Orleans. We had

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Speaker 3: a great weekend. He was a gentleman, he paid for everything.

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Speaker 1: Really, this dude took you to New Orleans and you're

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Speaker 1: wild story. I mean you met at random standard and

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Speaker 1: When I'm first dating someone, if I think it's going

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Speaker 1: How much do they pack? You know, do they have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well now I'm wondering. I agree, But now I

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Speaker 2: But okay, so I get it totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go on a trip with this man and

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna call this guy, Chris.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna ask these questions on your behalf and try

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Speaker 1: you guys can go out again. We're not paying for

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Speaker 1: Avoiding by the phone after this song on the The

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Speaker 1: Fred Show, Good Morning, it's The Fred Show, Part two

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Speaker 1: of Waiting by the Phone. Hey, Carly, all right, always

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Speaker 1: call this guy Chris. You met on the dating apps

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hi is this Chris Chris?

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Speaker 1: My name is Fred. I'm calling from the Fred Show,

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Speaker 1: the Morning radio Show. I have to tell you the

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Speaker 1: I would need your permission to continue with the call.

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Speaker 1: Can we chap for just a second, would you mind?

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Speaker 4: Do you have to do. I mean, you have to

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to use your last name. I

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Speaker 4: I mean like this, Okay, she I like to go big,

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Speaker 4: But she I mean, let me just lay it out here.

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Speaker 1: So when did you learn that she wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: Was that part of the Hey, i'll go with you

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Speaker 4: I paid for everything, you know, and I just nothing happened,

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, I mean so you didn't there

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Speaker 1: So so basically, because you paid for everything and she

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Speaker 3: Didn't. You didn't. You didn't pressure me on a trip.

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Speaker 3: You didn't say anything. You made it sound like you

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Speaker 4: It's like you want a free car and you went

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Speaker 1: Who got a freaky you? What happened? No, Look, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. She owes you nothing, Chris. Let's just be

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Speaker 1: really clear. She doesn't owe you the code.

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Speaker 2: Whether they travel or not, though, like even if it

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Speaker 1: Now now here, I will say this, and there's a code,

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Speaker 1: A code I don't know. I will say this, though,

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Speaker 2: We're really just going for it here.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't think that's an unfair thing to consider

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Speaker 1: not buying things so that she does other things. That's

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Speaker 2: But I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there couldn't have been some kind of conversation from

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Speaker 2: I will accept this trip. I'm excited to go.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know, you know, nothing is

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Speaker 1: it sounds like you would have said no, I don't

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not I'm not defending you. I'm just trying to.

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Speaker 1: Say that I understand why it would it might have

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Speaker 4: You know, in my mind, like I said, there's an

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Speaker 4: I didn't put any pressure on her the pressure. I

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Speaker 3: I mean definitely not now. But that's all that said

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Speaker 4: So this is a blatant example of me being used.

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Speaker 2: Is what this is?

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Speaker 3: You deserve?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will use you too. You don't even know

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Speaker 4: I don't know her favorite color, right she she knows

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Speaker 2: New Orleans. And I don't blame city girls. Are okay?

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Speaker 1: You you swung being and I respect the move. I

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm disappointed and I feel used, and I'm just

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Speaker 3: And you said that a first date is the first date.

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Speaker 3: And if you were like, you may not come on

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Speaker 3: this trip unless you give me sex, you should have

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Speaker 3: said that. You didn't say it, right.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to say it. You don't have to

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Speaker 4: It's implied. We flew, we flew to a different city together.

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Speaker 3: We didn't done that on the first date. You didn't

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Speaker 3: present yourself that way. You never said anything, And to me,

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Speaker 3: it's an implied that. That's like, there are dates that

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Speaker 3: there's no expectations we're going to get to know each other.

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Speaker 3: And there's other dates where you know, if you show

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Speaker 3: up to that date, the guy is interested in one thing,

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Speaker 4: That's every date. That's every date you just that's every okay.

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Speaker 2: Because here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: But look, she doesn't want to go out with you again. Chris,

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Speaker 1: I wish you the best as well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you,