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Speaker 1: now under out of Silver one of the softest, worst,

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Speaker 1: most overrated commissioners I've ever seen. I mean, we love

427
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Speaker 1: shitting on bud Sea leagues and Gary Bettman's I put

428
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: Adams Olver right there. But he's loved by the media

429
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Speaker 1: and specifically the NBA media right which is a little

430
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: different than the NFL media, which is no holds bar

431
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: that they don't care, friends, family, it doesn't matter. Football

432
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: has covered just a lot like politics. It's just ferocious.

433
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Speaker 1: And one thing with Roger Goodell is while the NFL

434
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Speaker 1: under his watch, now I'm not giving him all the credit.

435
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Speaker 1: I've always said that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are

436
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: the Larry Burden Magic Johnson of my generation. Football was huge.

437
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: They took it into another stratosphere. Now, Roger, we'll talk

438
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: about some of his accomplishments, but obviously made some terrible mistakes. Right,

439
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: It's hard to ever forget the whole Ray Rice situation,

440
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: the concussions, which he gets blamed for. Really, he is

441
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: a guy taking all the arrows. The owners are the

442
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: ones making decisions. They're the ones that have to sign off.

443
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: You know, when you get something delivered some of your

444
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: house and like, we can't drop it off unless someone signs,

445
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: Like Roger Goodell, it's they're signing it. He's just out

446
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: in front giving a thumbs up. So when you look

447
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: at Roger Goodell, ESPN turned on him and it became

448
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: very very negative. Right. It's why they had such a

449
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: poor relationship for a lot with Monday Night Football. It

450
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: was like, you constantly talk shit about our league and

451
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: our commissioner, and they were giving them bad games forever.

452
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: It was really ugly, right, I mean, think about ESPN's

453
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: biggest personality or one of them during that time, Bill Simmons.

454
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: I mean, they were going at it. So Roger is

455
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Speaker 1: not very good with the media. He's the opposite of

456
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: Adam Silver, terrible with it. Doesn't have a great personality

457
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: for it, kind of gruff. It's just not natural. Hell

458
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: on camera, he's not very natural. If he was a

459
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: political candidate, he would be awful because when it comes

460
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: to debates, when it comes to just shaking hands and

461
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: kissing babies, he's not very smooth. But when it comes

462
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Speaker 1: to getting things done, it can't really be debated how

463
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Speaker 1: talented he is at his job. So when you look

464
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Speaker 1: at what happened under Rogers watch, I mean from a

465
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Speaker 1: negotiating standpoint, they have dominated the players, I mean absolutely

466
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Speaker 1: destroyed them in two CBA negotiations because the players have

467
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: always and I guess any commissioner could have handled this situation.

468
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: They've always fought for things that don't have monetary value. Right,

469
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: we get mandatory day off, no double days, and the

470
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: owners were always like cool, cool, cool, more revenue for us, right,

471
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Speaker 1: more money for us. The owners have always been obsessed

472
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Speaker 1: with the money. Where the players get kind of emotional,

473
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: like you got to give us six days off during

474
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Speaker 1: a bye week mandatory, the owners are like, cool, take it,

475
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: only three straight days during training camp and practice, no

476
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Speaker 1: double days. You guys got it. That's another point on

477
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Speaker 1: our side revenue wise. And they always dominated those you

478
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Speaker 1: know kind of conversations, and let's face it, Roger was

479
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: the head point man with the other NFL lawyers. So

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Speaker 1: the Thursday night football, which everyone seems to talk shit about,

481
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: has been a raging success. I remember before I worked

482
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, Thursday Night football was usually a random

483
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Speaker 1: college football game. I couldn't tell you the last time

484
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: I watched a college football game on Thursday. I'm not

485
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Speaker 1: saying that they don't happen. They clearly do. They're just

486
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: never on my television, just like they're never on most

487
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: people's television. Why because even when the NFL went to

488
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: streaming Amazon a year into it, they're getting thirteen fourteen

489
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: million people watching these games. And it's everything Roger has

490
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: done fine financially for the league has had massive, massive benefits.

491
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Obviously the international play, adding the game, and I'm not

492
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: saying these are all his ideas, but he's been the leader.

493
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: He shepherded and the NFL hasn't separated from the other sports.

494
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: It's in a different universe than the other sports. Right

495
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: now that there is no competition for the NFL. Honestly,

496
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: there's no competition on TV for the NFL sports or nonsports.

497
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: So Rogers clearly paid, you know, a king's ransom. I'm

498
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: sure some big j's will write articles how that shouldn't

499
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Speaker 1: take place part of the deal. When you run a ten, fifteen,

500
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: twenty billion dollar operation. That's why CEOs get paid so

501
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: much money. You know, that's kind of the going rate

502
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: forty to fifty to thirty five whatever million dollars. And listen,

503
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: Rogers kind of a different cat. Clearly not very smooth,

504
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: but when it comes to just operations and decisions, it's

505
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Speaker 1: hard to argue that he hasn't been one of the

506
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Speaker 1: most successful commissioners. Definitely someone my age has ever seen,

507
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: but not least Caleb Williams. There was a story that

508
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: Florio's pointed out resurfaced. I saw it for the first time.

509
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: I don't remember it being written in the summer, but

510
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: reading Florio's article, he claimed he broke it. And you know,

511
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the summer that Caleb Williams representation his

512
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: agents or maybe when he was interviewing agents. One of

513
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: the big things he was gonna do is ask for

514
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Speaker 1: equity in a team, and Florio wrote that, And listen,

515
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't blame Aaron Rodgers. I think looking back one

516
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: of the reasons that Aaron Rodgers trade took so long.

517
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: And I don't blame Aaron at all, because anyone in

518
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: any industry, when you have the opportunity and have leverage,

519
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: you better take advantage of it. Because every negotiation or

520
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: every time that you are talking money with an employer

521
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: with a partner, you're not going to have leverage. So

522
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: when you do have it, you gotta take advantage of it.

523
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wanted equity in the Jets as part of

524
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Speaker 1: the trade in his compensation. The problem is is the

525
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: NFL does not allow that that that is in the eyelaws.

526
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: It's not even possible, which does make some sense because

527
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: what you would be able to do with a guy

528
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, which who knows my craft,

529
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Speaker 1: and Tom Brady might have been doing it. If I'm

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00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: gonna pay Aaron Rodgers, let's just pick a number fifty

531
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: million dollars, I go, hey, I'll pay you twelve million

532
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: dollars in salary, and I'll give you the other thirty

533
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: eight in equity, and you would be able to bypass

534
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: the salary cap and then you know, within ten years

535
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: if that was legal the running backs and be like,

536
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: why can't we get any equity? It's like you had

537
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: no equity for the running backs. But in all seriousness,

538
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: I understand why Aaron Rodgers and his people would want that,

539
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: like he had all the leverage Caleb Williams reports are

540
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: and who knows. Sometimes this stuff gets lost in translation.

541
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just throw things out there. I never blame

542
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: anybody for asking what was the worst you're ever gonna

543
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: hear when you ask for something. No, here's the problem

544
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: for Kayleb Williams, just big picture going into this draft.

545
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: You don't negotiate when you're a draft player. Now, we'll

546
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: see who gets the number one overall pick, whether he

547
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: wants to play there or not. And that's if he

548
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: doesn't want to listen, that's his prerogative. Other athletes have

549
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: done it. One of the most famous quarterbacks of all time,

550
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: John Elway did it. Obviously, Peyton's brother did it. Eli

551
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: Manning probably heard of him too. But if Caleb wants

552
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: to do that, I don't care. Now it depends on

553
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: who the team is. To me. The problem with some

554
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: of the ways I've heard that talked about, like you're

555
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: not going to the Chiefs or the Bills, Like that's

556
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: not an option. Like in the NBA, it's like I

557
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: don't want forever and listen, I saw it firsthand. No

558
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: one ever wanted to go to the Sacramento Kings. It's like, God,

559
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: I would love to go to the Lakers. You know,

560
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: I would love to go to whoever, whatever good team

561
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: is well in basketball, like multiple guys can be on

562
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: the court at the same time in football, if I

563
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: got Patrick Mahomes or I got Josh Allen, like I

564
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: not only am I not trading up to get you,

565
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even play here. But here's the problem for

566
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: Caleb and just this mindset. If one thing I always heard,

567
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: knowing some people who have recruited him may even been

568
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: around him for a year. His dad plays a big

569
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: role in all this, and which is not abnormal for

570
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: collegiate athletes. But like once you get to the pros,

571
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, GMS owners coaches, Like, no one gives a

572
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: shit what your parent thinks, especially if you have an

573
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Speaker 1: aggressive parent, even if he has some validity to some

574
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: of the things you're saying, Like it's a business, it's

575
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: very cutthroat, and the dad in fairness, it is gonna

576
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: be very emotional. It's his son. So when they ask

577
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: for equity, like you could ask for anything, you ask

578
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: for the fucking moon. The contract's the contract, that's the CBA,

579
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: that's the NFL's business, and the business. They're not ripping

580
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: up the CBA for Caleb Williams. And here's the other thing,

581
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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, even if you could give him equity for

582
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: every Bryce Harper, for every Lebron James, for every Peyton Manning,

583
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: there are a ton of people in drafts, in every

584
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: sports that don't even become close to living up the hype.

585
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: So even if I could give equity, which I can't

586
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: as an owner, it wouldn't be that I wouldn't be

587
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: giving it out to draft picks. Right. I think you're

588
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: seeing this in NIL For every NIO guy that hits right,

589
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, Michael Pennix, there are a lot of guys

590
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: getting paid in college that aren't producing. And I'll promise

591
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: you this. All these rich people all across the country

592
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: cutting these checks. It's one thing giving you fifty grand

593
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: in cash in a brown bag. It's another thing. I

594
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: start paying you five hundred grand, and we're winning five

595
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: six games and you're not making plays. It ain't the same.

596
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: But Caleb doesn't get to negotiate. That's not how rookie

597
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: contracts work. Here's the rookie contract. Sign it. We can,

598
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: I guess, negotiate the dates of the payouts of your

599
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: guaranteed money. But the contract, the money is the money.

600
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: What Bryce Young got this year, no matter how much

601
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: he negotiated, the number would not have changed. It's impossible

602
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: for it to change. It's contractually obligated for it to

603
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: be what it was. But the other thing that keeps

604
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: coming out with Caleb and listen, he's a excellent prospect,

605
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: he really is, but like an all time prospect. Hard

606
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: for me to say that for a guy that's under

607
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: six feet one. And listen, if I pulled all thirty

608
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: two GMS said on your draft board right now, is

609
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams number one? I bet on the twenty plus

610
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: at least coming as we sit here on October eighteenth,

611
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: he would be number one. But there are some teams

612
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: that would have Drake May And there's a chance if

613
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: this gets ugly, usc is going in a tough stretch

614
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: of their schedule. He plays like he just did. Who knows,

615
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: maybe that number gets closer to half. I don't know,

616
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: seems unlikely. I'm not saying it's going to but this

617
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: guy is not like Trevor Lawrence. Thirty two teams had

618
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence number one. There was no close second. Right,

619
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck thirty two teams had Andrew Luck number one.

620
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: That's not gonna be the case here. So really good prospect.

621
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: But I get this a lot from my NFL buddies.

622
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: The hype machine on him sometimes gets jumps the shark

623
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: a little bit. We just saw him against Notre Dame.

624
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: It was pretty embarrassing, not all his fall offensive line back.

625
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: And this is not trying to shit on Caleb Williams,

626
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: but this negotiation like we're gonna want equity, which again

627
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: story the Florio reported, but just the overall notion. There

628
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: is no negotiation when you're a rookie. Here's the contract,

629
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: this is what you get. But the one negotiation that

630
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: will be very quick. Could he go back to school, like,

631
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: could USC round up ten million dollars? Yeah, maybe they

632
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: could do. You know how much Bryce Young got the

633
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: moment he signed his contract thirty seven million dollars. That's

634
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: how much Bryce Young's for year contract guaranteed, and at

635
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: signing I think within fourteen days he got like twenty

636
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: five million dollars to sign. So even if you get

637
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Speaker 1: God that gave him ten million dollars to return, it

638
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: is not better than what the NFL gives you. And

639
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. The NFL gives you. If Caleb

640
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: gets drafted and becomes a good player, the moment you

641
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: start your clock, it's faster to your second contract. So

642
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: the conversation around Caleb, I gotta admit, is kind of

643
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: getting a little exhausting. I'm sure some of you that

644
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: are listening saw the clip of the Notre Dame guy,

645
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: the fan that ran on the field, which listen, I

646
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: I would never have a problem if a fan ran

647
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: on the field start screaming out a player and the

648
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: player fucking decked them like, I'm sorry, you run on

649
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: the field, you're talking shit. It's free game. So if

650
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: that ever happens, I'm cool with it. But the fan

651
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: did run up to him and say what he did

652
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: last year, which he was constantly doing, which is something

653
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: that is a pretty big red flag. He wrote fuck

654
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, just like he wrote fuck Utah when he

655
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: got beat twice. Now I don't think he's doing that anymore.

656
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: But you know, let's just I think we need to

657
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: pump the brakes on some of these salacious stories around Caleb,

658
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: and then he's just the greatest things since sliced bread.

659
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: Really good player, really good prospect, start acting asking for equity.

660
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you're not Patrick Mahomes yet, Like you

661
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: gotta prove it. That's part of getting to the big leagues. Plus,

662
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: it's not even an option. You might be a pro

663
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to what you do, but we can't

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Speaker 1: That's and Gi dot com. Okay, let's dive into a

676
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: little mailbag at John Middlecoffins the Instagram at John middle

677
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: Coffin's the Instagram. Fire in those dms. Fan of the

678
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: pod almost four years like this guy. My question is

679
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: about Kleb. While he has an undisputed talent, what do

680
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: you think about his character? So far? He has rubbed

681
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: me the wrong way with him cussing out his opponents

682
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: on his fingernails, and now the talk about possibly picking

683
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: his own team and even wanting a percentage of ownership.

684
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: Am I crazy? Or is it possible Caleb's character might

685
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: be in question? Also, if it's true he has character

686
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: issues with teams considering taking Drake may over him, I've

687
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: never heard that his like to me character issues are

688
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: bad guy, bad teammate, obviously, anything with the law. I

689
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: have not heard any of that. And like I just mentioned,

690
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: his dad plays a role in all this, So some

691
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: of the picking his own team, obviously the equity is

692
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: coming from Pops. Now. The fingernail thing was an embarrassment.

693
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: It really was like that. That fingernail thing was bad.

694
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: Now he's not doing it anymore. So that's when you're

695
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: doing something bad, you have to end it. You have

696
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: to cut it off and stop doing it. And he

697
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: did it so to me the stuff about the equity,

698
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: And I'm putting more on his dad now eventually once

699
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: the season ends, like it is on him to talk

700
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: like you're grown up now, like you're going into the NFL.

701
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: It'd be on him to say, listen, takes some ownership

702
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: in anything that his dad is kind of forcing on him,

703
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: you're in college whatever. But I think there's gonna be

704
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: some a lot of question marks during the draft process

705
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: with some of this stuff with him, some of the

706
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: off the field storylines, right like you said the like

707
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: we just talked about the equity picking your own team

708
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: depending on who's number one. The reason I've heard that

709
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: Drake May has a chance to compete to be the

710
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: number one pick is just size. Like Drake May's talent

711
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: is really really good. Caleb's just short now unlike some

712
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: other short players, Caleb's big, Caleb's thick. My guess he

713
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: weighs two hundred and twenty pounds, but he's a shade

714
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: under six to one and the other guy is six ' four.

715
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: So that to me is why if they were the

716
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: same size, Caleb would be Drake May wouldn't have a

717
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: chance to go over him. But like there's a reason

718
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: looking back, justin Herbert over to it. Now, obviously Caleb

719
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: is much more physically gifted. And it feels like I'm

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00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: shitting on Caleb because listen, like I said last week,

721
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: you're allowed to have a bad game, and he had

722
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: a really bad game. His offensive line was terrible. And

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00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: I think I saw a quote where'd I read this.

724
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: I was reading something today. Maybe it was on the

725
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: Athletic the Way a scout does. Oh, it was Bruce

726
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: Feldman's article that a scout described to him that when

727
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: you watch Caleb, it feels like he's trying to hit

728
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: a five run home run every bat, And in fairness

729
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: to him, his team kind of sucks. And it's not

730
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: his fault that Lincoln Riley's recruiting and defensive coordinator a

731
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: pretty terrible so he kind of has to hit, you know,

732
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: grand slams. But he definitely has forced the issue last

733
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: week and it was ugly. Now, big game against Utah,

734
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: Like part of the best part about being a prospect

735
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: is like we get you get evaluate off the tape,

736
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: off the games. Big freaking week. This week you're playing

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00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: in Utah, one of the best defenses in the country,

738
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches in the country. They beat

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00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: you twice last year twice. I mean you were going

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00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. KOed you out of the playoffs. They

741
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: beat you in the regular season, destroyed you in the

742
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: conference championship game. This is a big fucking game. If

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Speaker 1: I was a team that had a chance to be

744
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: the number one pick, Ryan Poles, who were my Sean Payton?

745
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: I guess he can't go, but George Peyton, who probably

746
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: won't be there if I was, I don't know who

747
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: the Broncos would send. Who else is in the mix?

748
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: The Patriots, I fell Jackals, their GM maybe, said Jonathan Kraft,

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00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: I would be at this game. I would want to

750
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: get a live look Caleb Williams in this game, one

751
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: because he's coming off a bad loss, and two they're

752
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: just playing a big time opponent defensively. At least gotta say.

753
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: I love this time of year. I drive to my

754
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: clients all day, so I appreciate the content. I do

755
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: not personally believe this, but did we witness the end

756
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: of party. I remember watching Kaepernick and thinking he can't

757
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: be stopped. Now I'm worried the same thing with Purdy

758
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: his arm limitations. Sorry, here's the thing with Purdy. It

759
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: was very, very alarming, not because he struggled. Their defense

760
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: is elite. One guy for a half has played well

761
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: against them, and that's Lamar Jackson. Everyone else has gotten punked.

762
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: To me, the alarming part about Purty was why couldn't

763
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: he grip the ball? It wasn't a torrential rain rainstorm.

764
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: It was raining, but not crazy. Rock Perty didn't play

765
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: at San Diego State, didn't play Towaii, played at Iowa State.

766
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I would imagine ames Iowa has some pretty terrible weather.

767
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: I thought he'd be used to and I know he

768
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: has smaller hands, but be comfortable in just rougher conditions.

769
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: And he was not at all. He couldn't grip the ball.

770
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: He had an awful fumble that he lucky to recover.

771
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: He had a stretch in the middle of the game

772
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: where throws were going all over the yard. So I'm

773
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: not concerned with him as a player in terms of

774
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: just playing a normal game like this week they're playing.

775
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Who are the diners? Plan. Oh, they're playing Minnesota on

776
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Monday night football in Minnesota in a dome. He'll be

777
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: fine most of the game. In San Francisco, he'll be fine.

778
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: Playing LA in a dome, Arizona a dome. Fine. But

779
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: what happens if you know they're not the one seed

780
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: the Eagles are and you got to go to Philly

781
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: late January and it's awful weather? Can you not grip

782
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: the ball? So end of them by no means I

783
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: would go that far, but I do think there was

784
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: a massive, massive red flag that came up in that game.

785
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: And listen, it's so funny to me, and maybe this

786
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: is just like a Twitter thing that everyone freaks out

787
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: when we talk hand size during draft processes. I always

788
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: think it's so disingenuous when everyone freaks out about people

789
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: talking about players character during the process. Now you could

790
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: argue should have get leaked out or not, but the

791
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: media is the one doing the leaking out. Like if

792
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: the team's telling you, you don't have to report it, but

793
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: of course you report it because you know it's interesting

794
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: and the reason people are telling you because it's a

795
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: really big deal. I have to know your character. What

796
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you a ton of money. If you

797
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: owned a business and you were about to pay a

798
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: twenty three year old twenty thirty ten million dollars, you

799
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: would want to do a pretty extensive background check on

800
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: the individual, and when there are questions, you would have concerns.

801
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: So I think the same thing when it comes to

802
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: like random things in football. Does the forty time make

803
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: or break you as a player, of course not. But

804
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: if you run slow and you also play slow, it's

805
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for you to be good at football.

806
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen's a good example. Not very fast if you

807
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: just put him on a track, but he's he's he

808
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: plays fast. He's a very savvy football player. DeVante Adams

809
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: is a faster version of Keenan. Also not a blazer,

810
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: but his play speed's fantastic. But when some guys run

811
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: slow and then you also had some questions about them

812
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: on tape play speed, it's okay to go. Yeah. I

813
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable on the forty time. It's a red

814
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: flag for me. No different than hand size. At quarterback,

815
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: you're literally the guy holding the ball every single play,

816
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: and depending on where you play, it's not as big

817
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: a deal. If you're a Dome team. It's not as

818
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: big a deal if you're a West Coast team or

819
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: a Southern team. But if I'm in New England or

820
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: on the Buffalo Bills or on the Pittsburgh Steelers, I gotta,

821
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: I gotta really do a deep dive if you have

822
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: small hands, because a lot of our games are gonna

823
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: be not sunny and eighty eight outside. What letter grade

824
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: would you give Gudikins time in Green Bay he moved

825
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: on from Rogers. Packer look like a mid to low

826
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: tier team at this point, but the defense has been

827
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: highly invested in and has not shown up. I would

828
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: say a B minus because right now it looks a

829
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: little sketchy right their players on defense Now, I think

830
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people point to their defensive coordinator, which

831
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: would not be his higher it would be the coaches.

832
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: But clearly they've drafted a lot of guys on defense

833
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: that have either struggled to stay on the field, who

834
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: have not lived up to the hype. Now, you can

835
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: still write out this season, but he is going to

836
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: be judged on one move and one move only if

837
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: half the defensive guys become scrubs. Who cares if Jordan

838
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Love is good, he's gonna get an a. If Jordan

839
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: Love is bad, he won't get fired. They will be

840
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: given the opportunity to make another move, But it is

841
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: no guarantee that he can last a couple of years

842
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: after that. And I would say Jordan Love right now

843
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: is a major question mark. Obviously he's struggled the last

844
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But the reason Ted Thompson became a

845
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: fucking legend is because he moved on from Brett Fava

846
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: and he went to Aaron Rodgers. And it's not just

847
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: because he went to Aaron Rodgers. It's because Aaron Rodgers

848
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: became a Hall of Famer. So when you make these moves,

849
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: which are hard to do, you better be right. Why

850
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: did Bill Walsh like, oh champion, great guy legend, went

851
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: from Joe Montana to Steve Young and had that idea

852
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: in like eighty six, So when you can foresee things,

853
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: even Belichick like he was on Jimmy Garoppolo, but then

854
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: he traded him. So I would say, right now be

855
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: minus because I do give him credit for the way

856
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: he handled the Aaron Rodgers situation. And obviously he gets

857
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: credit for, you know, being a big part of hiring Lafleur,

858
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: who helped resurrect Rogers's career, but he's you know, the

859
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: great is going to be determined really over the next

860
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: I would say three years. If this year ends and

861
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: they got major questions on Jordan Love and they don't

862
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: win a lot of games, I think the offseason is

863
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: going to be do you draft a quarterback? Do you

864
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: move on from Jordan Love? And I think that would

865
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: be on the table, and then he'll get judged on

866
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: who he drafts. I do think he can overcome miss

867
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: on Jordan Love, especially if they only win four or

868
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: five games this year and he drafts Michael Pennix or

869
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: whoever and that guy becomes good. But the pressure would

870
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: get amplified if Jordan Love sucks. Wondering what your thoughts

871
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: on are how to fix a sinking ship that is

872
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: my Carolina Panthers. I think Bryce could be like a

873
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: shittier version of Tua or Dare. I say, Breeze, put

874
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: this guy in a Shanahan like system, and I think

875
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: you'd see him fly. I loved him in college, I

876
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: really did, and I watched i'd say eighty percent of

877
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: his games. I don't watch when Bama plays, you know,

878
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: Po Dunk State and the School of the Mines, but

879
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: their SEC games obviously, the playoff games, the National Championship

880
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: game a couple of years ago, even when they lost,

881
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: I thought was his most impressive performance. So Frank, listen,

882
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: no guy, and listen. I understand temper meddling hands and everything,

883
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: but let's face it, Frank just gave up play calling duties. Now,

884
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: who knows is that even his choice? Dave Tepper make

885
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: him do it to Thomas Brown. Maybe we'll see more.

886
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: Their offensive personnel is pretty limited, obviously, if he had

887
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: a better offensive personnel around him and a better offensive

888
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: play caller, he would look better. I do think the

889
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: jury's out on him though. His size is a major

890
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: question mark in the coaching staff. I mean, is this

891
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: a coaching staff that's a lock with how rich their

892
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: owner is, how edgy their owner is, how desperate the

893
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: owner is to be there in three years. So Bryce

894
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: might have just been your classic guy that goes to

895
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: a disastrous situation. I don't blame you for not giving

896
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: a hope. You never mean you can't even I don't

897
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: care how bad a guy's rookie year is. You can

898
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: never write a guy off, Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning. I'm

899
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: not saying Bryce's gonna be those guys, but Google what

900
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: their first year in the league look like. So I

901
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: would say I think just think there's some pressure on

902
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: the coaching staff to just show some signs of life

903
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: because what really sucks, And you could argue nothing things

904
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: sucks more than when you just constantly lose, constantly lose,

905
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: like we're gonna have the worst record in the league

906
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: and you don't have your pick. That's hard to shake. Man,

907
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: Even though I know we all know why they did it,

908
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: but let's face it. I understood why they traded Christian

909
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: McCaffrey last year, but CHRISTI McCaffrey sure looks damn good

910
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: to me on the forty nine ers. Are we sure

911
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: we couldn't have traded Brian Burns and kept Dj Moore

912
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: for Bryce Young? Like, do you think if they had

913
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: to redo, they would have traded one of the defensive linements,

914
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: but specifically the pass rusher and just kept Dj on

915
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: the team. Probably what I would have done. Now, looking back,

916
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious about your thoughts of the New York Giants.

917
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: You expected them to build on last year's success, but

918
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: they have clearly taken a step back, and it seems

919
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: obvious Daniel Jones and his contract will not be with

920
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: the New York Giants long term. His cap hit next

921
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: year's forty seven million, and it doesn't seem plausible for

922
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: the Giants to cut him until the twenty twenty four season.

923
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: You were correct, sir, His dead cap hit would be

924
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: sixty nine million after this season, only twenty two million

925
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: after twenty twenty four. My question, after Week six, the

926
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: Giants would currently be picking number five overall. Considering their

927
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: remaining schedule Commanders twice, Jets at the Cowboys, Eagles twice,

928
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: and the Rams. I could easily see the Giants ending

929
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: the year four and thirteen or worse, all but securing

930
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: a premium pick. Even if Daniel is destined to stay

931
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: on the twenty twenty four roster. Do the Giants have

932
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: to take advantage of the quality quarterback class and draft

933
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: the new quarterback? When the Marris hired Shane and day

934
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: Ball after going through the disaster that was Judge what's

935
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: his name in the GM and before that Schrmur, they

936
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: entrusted a lot in those two guys and they gave

937
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: them the option to decide on Daniel Jones, and they

938
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: decided not to pick up his fifth year option. And

939
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: then sometimes success just like a game, right, if you

940
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: win a game, it band aid some of your problems.

941
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: Just because you win the game does not mean you

942
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: play good, does not mean your team is good. You

943
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: might have just got They fumbled twice at their quarterback

944
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: threw a pick no different than last year. Was very,

945
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: very impressive coaching job when you look like it's not

946
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones threw for thirty seven touchdowns through at fifteen. Now,

947
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: he definitely looked competent, and I believed he could kind

948
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: of become like Alex Smith. But then you watch him

949
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: this year just unravels. Doesn't look good. So one of

950
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: their great regrets, I would imagine internally is they felt

951
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: pretty good. They had years of film, and then they

952
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: were around the guy. And he's clearly likable. You know,

953
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't probably follow the team as closely as you

954
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: reading daily articles, but his work ethic, how early he's

955
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: in the building, how just I mean even when they

956
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: were trying to negotiate the contract, he was in there

957
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: every day working out Like coaches love that shit, and

958
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: sometimes that clouds their judgment because of God is like,

959
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I love this kid, well, yeah, but is he good?

960
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: Is he good enough? Guys? And then when they gave

961
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: him the contract, it was pretty crazy. I would have

962
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: just franchised him. Pretty devastating move now looking back, but

963
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: I don't think you have a choice if you have

964
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity to take another quarterback that you like. Again,

965
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: it's one thing to like, just take a quarterback. Well,

966
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: do I like one of the quarterbacks? Because that was

967
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: always Chris Ballard. Just think everyone's been screaming at him

968
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback. Well, they were never drafting high enough.

969
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I don't want like one of these

970
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks highly enough. Now you could say, I'm sure he

971
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: missed on some guys, but still you have to to

972
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback. You gotta like the guy. So I

973
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: would say that they knew, they knew the answer to

974
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: the test, and then they got fooled a little bit

975
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: during the season, and then they emotionally were stuck and

976
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: the owner, because really the owner doesn't care in terms

977
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: of explosive player. You know, explosive plays, how great it looks.

978
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: If you're winning nine ten games, you go to the playoffs.

979
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: John Marr is gonna be happy, especially how embarrassing is

980
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: team had been so and he had always liked Daniel

981
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: Jones because of everything off the field he stands for

982
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: and how hard he works, and he's like rooting for

983
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: the guy because he is invested in his success literally financially.

984
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: They drafted him really high, so he wanted to give

985
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: him a second contract. It's like he was yearning for

986
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: a reason. And then once Joe Shane and Brian Daball

987
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: gave the thumbs up, God, that was a bad move. Though.

988
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: Been listening for a few years. I appreciate you talking

989
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: like a real human with a few good f bombs

990
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: in each episode. I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan, but went

991
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: to school with Tyler Zener, who kicked in the first

992
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: four games for the Houston Texans this year. My question

993
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: revolves around the wages for a part time rookie. If

994
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: Tyler was released after four games, did he still qualify

995
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: to make the league minimum or is it short term

996
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: stint like that classified under a different pay structure. Keep

997
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: up the great workman, Well, when you're a vested veteran,

998
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 1: it's why so many vets get cut at the top

999
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: final fifty three because if you've been in the league

1000
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: for over four years, I think it's a certain amount

1001
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: of service time, and you are on my roster week one,

1002
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: and let's just pick a number, three million dollars. You're

1003
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: like a starting guard for me, and you've been in

1004
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: the league six years, and you make my roster and

1005
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: then four games in you're playing like shit, and I

1006
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: cut you. That four million dollars was guaranteed the moment

1007
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: you're on the roster week one. That's why a lot

1008
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: of veterans get cut before week one. They get beat

1009
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: out by younger players because I don't have to guarantee

1010
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: a rookies contract. He's basically on a week by week contract.

1011
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: Now every week he's on the big roster. Whatever the

1012
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: rookie minimum is, you know, eight hundred thousand dollars divided

1013
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: by eighteen. He got that over four weeks. But I

1014
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: can cut him at any moment and beside his signing bonus.

1015
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: If I don't, I would imagine your guy. I'll be honest.

1016
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't know much about the Houston kicking situation, but

1017
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: let's just say he got a twenty thousand dollars signing

1018
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: bonus when I signed him as an undrafted free agent rookie,

1019
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: he obviously got to keep that, but he was not

1020
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: guaranteed the eight hundred and fifty grand or whatever the

1021
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: contract was, you know, the minimum for the season. So

1022
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: when you are on that rookie contract and you have

1023
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: don't have a certain amount of service time, you can

1024
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: get cut at any moment. You can no different practice

1025
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: squad Like these practice squad players now make a couple

1026
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: hundred grand, But it's a week by week thing, and

1027
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you get cut, not even because they don't like you,

1028
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: just because a couple guys who are on injury reserve,

1029
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: they had to sign some other guys, they had to

1030
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: move some. It's a numbers game. So yeah, I mean

1031
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: he got more money than most people that he went

1032
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: to college with I would imagine through through twenty twenty three,

1033
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: but in terms of what he could make, he basically

1034
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: only got a little under a quarter of that. Again,

1035
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm just picking the number. I don't know the exact

1036
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: might be seven hundred and ninety five grand, it could

1037
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: be eight hundred and twenty five grand. Whatever that number is,

1038
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: he does not get the whole thing. Now, it's a

1039
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: good question. Okay, last question, there is a question for

1040
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: the pod with the athletic article that came out about

1041
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell today. None of it was bombshell. Agree, I

1042
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: thought it was kind of overrated. But we are waiting

1043
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: on his arbitration case with former assistant GM Terry McDonough

1044
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: and the whole Burner phone situation. Do you think Arizona

1045
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: loses any draft picks over this? And is it possible

1046
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: Goodell forces Bidwell to sell. I've said forever, I think

1047
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: they would desperately like the two Desert teams with powerful ownership.

1048
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I think they would love to get super rich guys

1049
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: in Vegas and in Scottsdale. These markets are booming. Obviously,

1050
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: they could be huge cash cows for the league, and

1051
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: the two owners, Bidwell and Mark Davis kind of give

1052
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: them some problems. Bidwell obviously is a running joke. His

1053
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: dad was a joke. The franchise has been a joke

1054
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: for the most part under his family's leadership. Well, Al

1055
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: Davis fought a lot with the lead Gofi is Al

1056
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: Davis is a Hall of Famer and the Raiders, you know,

1057
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: are a much bigger brand than the Arizona Cardinals. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the legalities if they can kick them out

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Speaker 1: over the burner phone, but if they can, they will try.

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Speaker 1: I think they would love to boot him. The Phoenix

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Speaker 1: Suns sold for four billion dollars to matt Isshbia, four

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. If the Suns are worth that, what are

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals worth? They should be worth. If the

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Speaker 1: Suns are worth four, they should be worth ten. Now

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Speaker 1: they won't go for ten. There aren't even that many

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Speaker 1: people that can afford ten. U. I mean, honestly, the

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Speaker 1: list probably like twenty. It would even be interested. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: it could be like five. But it's could you sell

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Speaker 1: the to me? You could sell the Raiders if you

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Speaker 1: did an open bidding. I think ten billion dollars definitely

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Speaker 1: over eight. The Cardinals probably easily get over six. Honestly.

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Speaker 1: The only downfall, one thing the Raiders have that the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals don't is the Raiders State is just an incredible

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Speaker 1: location on the strip. The Cardinal Stadium's out in you know, BFE.

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Speaker 1: If somehow I've said this forever, part of where this

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Speaker 1: Indian casino is talking stick there's a top golf right there.

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Speaker 1: If somehow you could do a deal with the Indians

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Speaker 1: and build a stadium right in that vicinity. To me,

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Speaker 1: it would be the same thing as Vegas. It would

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Speaker 1: be an incredible location. It'd be awesome. Now, obviously they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna get away from All State Insurance Arena or

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Speaker 1: stadium or whatever the hell is called, but State Farm

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Speaker 1: Stadium location stinks. But I think they would desperately like

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Speaker 1: bidwill to leave. Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: after Saints Jack's big game for Derek Carr. Big game

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Speaker 1: for Derek Carr. Very very fascinated to watch this one.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you soon see it the volume