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The 25 00:01:40,946 --> 00:01:43,306 Speaker 1: NFL explained it is the podcast where your love of 26 00:01:43,346 --> 00:01:47,426 Speaker 1: football meets curiosity. I'm like, yeah, she's a d D king, Kaballa, Hi, 27 00:01:47,506 --> 00:01:50,666 Speaker 1: everyone a d D Monday Night the focus. I hear 28 00:01:50,746 --> 00:01:53,106 Speaker 1: that football anthem, Are you ready for some football? That 29 00:01:53,186 --> 00:01:55,386 Speaker 1: is the first thing that I think of that kind 30 00:01:55,386 --> 00:01:58,186 Speaker 1: of reverberates inside of my skull when it comes to 31 00:01:58,546 --> 00:02:01,146 Speaker 1: Monday Night football. What stands out for you? I'm gonna 32 00:02:01,186 --> 00:02:03,106 Speaker 1: hung up on this. You you're not going to sing that, 33 00:02:03,266 --> 00:02:05,626 Speaker 1: You're just going to say it. Add this podcast. It's 34 00:02:05,786 --> 00:02:08,306 Speaker 1: early on. We haven't grown an audience to the point 35 00:02:08,346 --> 00:02:10,706 Speaker 1: where they hear me sing and then they will come back. 36 00:02:10,826 --> 00:02:12,386 Speaker 1: So I think this is a good thing that you 37 00:02:12,386 --> 00:02:14,226 Speaker 1: don't hear me saying, if you want to frame it 38 00:02:14,266 --> 00:02:18,906 Speaker 1: that way. But ultimately, ultimately, Mike, everything is bigger when 39 00:02:18,946 --> 00:02:22,026 Speaker 1: it happens on Monday Night. Look, think about Brett Farve 40 00:02:22,226 --> 00:02:25,826 Speaker 1: playing after his father passed away. The legend of Brett Farve. 41 00:02:26,386 --> 00:02:28,146 Speaker 1: It was what it was. But now you don't tell 42 00:02:28,186 --> 00:02:30,466 Speaker 1: the story of the legend of Brett Farve without mentioning 43 00:02:30,466 --> 00:02:33,506 Speaker 1: in that game, the fail Mary with Aaron Rodgers that 44 00:02:33,826 --> 00:02:38,066 Speaker 1: ended a labor strife between the NFL and the Referees Association. 45 00:02:38,226 --> 00:02:41,386 Speaker 1: If there's that lousy call on a Sunday afternoon, I 46 00:02:41,426 --> 00:02:43,306 Speaker 1: don't know that that labor strife ends. And then I 47 00:02:43,346 --> 00:02:45,386 Speaker 1: think about one of the greatest Monday night games that 48 00:02:45,586 --> 00:02:50,066 Speaker 1: I was ever at myself last year, Ravens Brown's in Cleveland, 49 00:02:50,386 --> 00:02:53,266 Speaker 1: when Lamar Jackson goes to the bathroom, or doesn't go 50 00:02:53,306 --> 00:02:55,826 Speaker 1: to the bathroom, whatever it was. It turned into the 51 00:02:55,906 --> 00:02:59,626 Speaker 1: biggest story in all of America. And again one o'clock 52 00:02:59,666 --> 00:03:02,666 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. Don't think that any of those stories are 53 00:03:02,746 --> 00:03:04,946 Speaker 1: quite as big, Mike. No, you're right, there's so much 54 00:03:05,026 --> 00:03:08,026 Speaker 1: juice the night energy. In fact, it's funny because you 55 00:03:08,066 --> 00:03:10,146 Speaker 1: just highlighted the fail Mary game, and I know we 56 00:03:10,226 --> 00:03:12,506 Speaker 1: heard the highlight at the top of the show. Packers 57 00:03:12,546 --> 00:03:16,066 Speaker 1: Seahawks twelve. One of the best parts about doing this 58 00:03:16,146 --> 00:03:18,506 Speaker 1: podcast is you get a text and you get to 59 00:03:18,546 --> 00:03:21,066 Speaker 1: hear from people that are listening to the show. And 60 00:03:21,106 --> 00:03:23,066 Speaker 1: one of my buddies actually has been listening since we 61 00:03:23,186 --> 00:03:25,706 Speaker 1: started this show, and he's Evan Moore and he actually 62 00:03:25,746 --> 00:03:28,346 Speaker 1: played for the Seahawks, and I told him, I said, hey, man, look, 63 00:03:28,346 --> 00:03:31,066 Speaker 1: we're actually doing a Monday night football episode, and I 64 00:03:31,066 --> 00:03:32,826 Speaker 1: wanted to get his take on the juice and what 65 00:03:32,906 --> 00:03:35,026 Speaker 1: it's like on a Monday night and the energy. And 66 00:03:35,026 --> 00:03:37,066 Speaker 1: he said, you know, I played in that Fail Mary game. 67 00:03:37,146 --> 00:03:38,826 Speaker 1: And he's like, one of the things that people don't 68 00:03:38,866 --> 00:03:41,146 Speaker 1: realize is back in the day of the NFL, at 69 00:03:41,186 --> 00:03:44,666 Speaker 1: that point in when time expired and you you had 70 00:03:44,666 --> 00:03:47,026 Speaker 1: the game winning touchdown, you actually had to go back 71 00:03:47,026 --> 00:03:50,106 Speaker 1: onto the field to kick the p a T. Evan 72 00:03:50,146 --> 00:03:52,466 Speaker 1: told me that they were in the locker room, Marshawn 73 00:03:52,466 --> 00:03:54,346 Speaker 1: had just topped out of the shower, had a towel on, 74 00:03:54,506 --> 00:03:57,346 Speaker 1: and someone said, hey, we gotta go and kick the 75 00:03:57,386 --> 00:04:00,826 Speaker 1: p a T. Marshawn dead sprint into the tunnel, was 76 00:04:00,906 --> 00:04:03,266 Speaker 1: ready to go out onto the football field a d 77 00:04:03,426 --> 00:04:05,586 Speaker 1: D and be a part of it in a towel. 78 00:04:05,826 --> 00:04:08,266 Speaker 1: So that would have been a major issue. And Evan 79 00:04:08,426 --> 00:04:09,946 Speaker 1: and his team and said no, no no, no, no, Marshawn 80 00:04:09,946 --> 00:04:12,786 Speaker 1: you gotta stay back in the locker room with that towel. 81 00:04:12,986 --> 00:04:15,266 Speaker 1: You know, I'm having a feeling that that probably would 82 00:04:15,266 --> 00:04:18,546 Speaker 1: have been in violation of the NFL's uniform codes, because 83 00:04:18,586 --> 00:04:21,546 Speaker 1: you know that those things are really pretty strict. There's 84 00:04:21,546 --> 00:04:25,306 Speaker 1: an inspector every game checking everybody's shoes and socks and 85 00:04:25,346 --> 00:04:27,786 Speaker 1: cleats and all of that. No concern about where those 86 00:04:27,786 --> 00:04:31,986 Speaker 1: socks we're laying on on on those calves. Um. But 87 00:04:32,066 --> 00:04:34,506 Speaker 1: I think the biggest question, at least for this episode 88 00:04:34,506 --> 00:04:36,666 Speaker 1: of d D is is why Monday night? Why do 89 00:04:36,746 --> 00:04:38,986 Speaker 1: we actually have football games on a Monday night. Well, 90 00:04:38,986 --> 00:04:41,346 Speaker 1: it's interesting, right because now here we are, we played 91 00:04:41,346 --> 00:04:44,066 Speaker 1: football on Thursday night, we played football on Sunday night. Heck, 92 00:04:44,106 --> 00:04:46,906 Speaker 1: I was at a game on a Wednesday afternoon last year. 93 00:04:47,386 --> 00:04:52,066 Speaker 1: This all really started, though, with Monday nights, and it 94 00:04:52,146 --> 00:04:55,826 Speaker 1: is the brain child or was the brain child of 95 00:04:56,226 --> 00:05:00,986 Speaker 1: the NFL Commissioner Pete Rosel. Pete Rosell obviously was around 96 00:05:00,986 --> 00:05:04,986 Speaker 1: at a time when television was exploding and Mike he 97 00:05:05,226 --> 00:05:10,946 Speaker 1: started imagining the entire country sitting around their TVs watching 98 00:05:11,066 --> 00:05:15,426 Speaker 1: one game together as a somewhat communal experience in the 99 00:05:15,426 --> 00:05:18,426 Speaker 1: age before Twitter. Obviously, so he toyed with it. In 100 00:05:18,466 --> 00:05:21,186 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, there was, you know, a game in 101 00:05:21,226 --> 00:05:24,506 Speaker 1: prime time every so often, and Pete Roselle thought about 102 00:05:24,546 --> 00:05:29,866 Speaker 1: potentially playing on a Friday night. But Friday didn't work, Mike, 103 00:05:29,986 --> 00:05:32,986 Speaker 1: because that was high school football night, and obviously you 104 00:05:33,026 --> 00:05:36,266 Speaker 1: can't mess around with high school football. And so it 105 00:05:36,306 --> 00:05:38,786 Speaker 1: was in nineteen sixty four that he actually said, okay, 106 00:05:38,866 --> 00:05:41,386 Speaker 1: let's try a Monday Night. There was a game between 107 00:05:41,386 --> 00:05:44,626 Speaker 1: the Packers and the Lions at Detroitz Tiger Stadium. The 108 00:05:44,666 --> 00:05:47,146 Speaker 1: game was actually not on TV, but it was a sellout. 109 00:05:47,226 --> 00:05:51,026 Speaker 1: It was a grand affair. It was tremendous, and by 110 00:05:51,106 --> 00:05:53,066 Speaker 1: the verger of the NFL and a f L in 111 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:56,986 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, the NFL and Pete Roselle had figured out, Okay, 112 00:05:56,986 --> 00:05:59,146 Speaker 1: we're going to have one night game a week. It's 113 00:05:59,186 --> 00:06:01,106 Speaker 1: going to be on Monday Night. It's going to be 114 00:06:01,186 --> 00:06:04,706 Speaker 1: shown on only one network. And it turned into this 115 00:06:04,906 --> 00:06:09,066 Speaker 1: tremendous this brand, this tremendous property. As you said, I mean, 116 00:06:09,106 --> 00:06:11,826 Speaker 1: there's a song, there are songs that go just with 117 00:06:11,906 --> 00:06:15,146 Speaker 1: Monday night football. The one fascinating wrinkle to all of 118 00:06:15,186 --> 00:06:18,226 Speaker 1: this we've got Netflix now, right, We got Amazon problem. 119 00:06:18,266 --> 00:06:20,426 Speaker 1: We got all of these different ways in terms of 120 00:06:20,466 --> 00:06:23,626 Speaker 1: streaming platforms to go and get your television and your entertainment. 121 00:06:23,666 --> 00:06:27,466 Speaker 1: But back then in the sixties, CBS, NBC, ABC, three 122 00:06:27,506 --> 00:06:30,426 Speaker 1: major networks. You're sitting there watching Ed Sullivan, Dar's Day, 123 00:06:30,466 --> 00:06:32,666 Speaker 1: you know, and and game shows things like that. That's 124 00:06:32,666 --> 00:06:35,426 Speaker 1: what grabbed the attention of a lot of families. And 125 00:06:35,626 --> 00:06:38,866 Speaker 1: it took this creative thinking you mentioned Roselle, you know, 126 00:06:38,906 --> 00:06:40,986 Speaker 1: to create sort of this Monday night package a lot 127 00:06:41,026 --> 00:06:43,426 Speaker 1: of those TV networks, though they weren't really having it 128 00:06:43,506 --> 00:06:45,666 Speaker 1: at the time, and it was really just we net 129 00:06:45,666 --> 00:06:47,826 Speaker 1: out at ABC saying okay, we'll take a flyer and 130 00:06:47,906 --> 00:06:50,826 Speaker 1: try to make this happen. And you also think about 131 00:06:50,906 --> 00:06:53,706 Speaker 1: just how big you mentioned the songs. Look, Ron Jaworski, 132 00:06:53,786 --> 00:06:55,586 Speaker 1: who was a part of that broadcast. Croom, Let's Stark 133 00:06:55,626 --> 00:06:57,546 Speaker 1: also part of that broadcast through They're gonna be joining 134 00:06:57,586 --> 00:06:59,706 Speaker 1: us a little bit later in this podcast to tell 135 00:06:59,786 --> 00:07:03,666 Speaker 1: us about their individual experiences around Monday night and why 136 00:07:03,706 --> 00:07:07,226 Speaker 1: the game is so special on that particular evening. But 137 00:07:07,426 --> 00:07:10,786 Speaker 1: look the first regular season game. Cleveland Brown's art model 138 00:07:11,026 --> 00:07:14,266 Speaker 1: and advertising executive. He's the type of guy that wanted 139 00:07:14,306 --> 00:07:16,386 Speaker 1: to host that first game, saw the juice in the 140 00:07:16,426 --> 00:07:18,386 Speaker 1: buzz that's there. But indeed you say to yourself, well, 141 00:07:18,506 --> 00:07:21,586 Speaker 1: who's that opponent going to be? It's all about the Jets, 142 00:07:21,666 --> 00:07:24,106 Speaker 1: right Broadway, Joe coming off of that Super Bowl went. 143 00:07:24,186 --> 00:07:28,266 Speaker 1: It just made sense sort of funnel in that direction. Brown's, 144 00:07:28,266 --> 00:07:30,586 Speaker 1: by the way, just in case anyone was actually wondering, 145 00:07:30,906 --> 00:07:33,906 Speaker 1: they defeated the Jets in that particular matchup. How about 146 00:07:33,946 --> 00:07:36,306 Speaker 1: this for a weird box score, a d D. The 147 00:07:36,386 --> 00:07:39,866 Speaker 1: Brown scored a passing touchdown, a rushing touchdown, returned to 148 00:07:39,986 --> 00:07:42,506 Speaker 1: kick off for a touchdown. And how to pick six. 149 00:07:42,946 --> 00:07:44,986 Speaker 1: I think if you're working that post game locker room 150 00:07:45,026 --> 00:07:47,266 Speaker 1: when it's over, I don't even know which direction you 151 00:07:47,306 --> 00:07:50,426 Speaker 1: want to actually lean in. Maybe avoid Joe Namath who 152 00:07:50,426 --> 00:07:54,346 Speaker 1: threw three interceptions in that particular game. But how about 153 00:07:54,346 --> 00:07:58,506 Speaker 1: just like the differences in the broadcast itself, and you 154 00:07:58,506 --> 00:08:00,226 Speaker 1: we almost take for granted Y d D when we 155 00:08:00,266 --> 00:08:02,706 Speaker 1: watch Monday nights now and we have kind of grown 156 00:08:02,786 --> 00:08:05,266 Speaker 1: up even as football fans. You almost take for granted 157 00:08:05,306 --> 00:08:08,266 Speaker 1: the three and announcing booth right and the fact that 158 00:08:08,306 --> 00:08:10,786 Speaker 1: you have that access. Well, it was Keith Jackson the 159 00:08:10,906 --> 00:08:12,906 Speaker 1: legendary boy. I was kind of just I wish I 160 00:08:12,946 --> 00:08:15,786 Speaker 1: could do a great Keith Jackson invitation. I can't. Uh, 161 00:08:15,906 --> 00:08:18,546 Speaker 1: Don Meredith comes to mind Howard Cosell in these iconic 162 00:08:18,626 --> 00:08:21,466 Speaker 1: moments that that crew was able to give us but 163 00:08:21,546 --> 00:08:24,026 Speaker 1: twice as many cameras a d D for that Monday 164 00:08:24,106 --> 00:08:26,106 Speaker 1: Night game then we normally would have for any of 165 00:08:26,106 --> 00:08:28,186 Speaker 1: the ones that were played on Sunday, which is credit 166 00:08:28,226 --> 00:08:31,026 Speaker 1: to ABC that they recognized this is something that we 167 00:08:31,066 --> 00:08:33,186 Speaker 1: could produce in a different way. But you know, you 168 00:08:33,226 --> 00:08:36,706 Speaker 1: mentioned Howard Cosell. That's probably one of the most iconic 169 00:08:36,746 --> 00:08:39,706 Speaker 1: moments on Monday Night. He was the one that announced 170 00:08:39,706 --> 00:08:43,346 Speaker 1: and formed the American public during a live Monday night 171 00:08:43,346 --> 00:08:46,226 Speaker 1: football broadcast that John Lennon had been killed. I gotta 172 00:08:46,266 --> 00:08:50,026 Speaker 1: go back, and you're right, those seminal moments because you 173 00:08:50,106 --> 00:08:52,866 Speaker 1: also saw Monday Night a d D. This convergence of 174 00:08:53,106 --> 00:08:55,786 Speaker 1: not only the sport of football, which is entertaining, but 175 00:08:56,306 --> 00:08:58,746 Speaker 1: sort of this Hollywood vibe, right because you would get 176 00:08:58,786 --> 00:09:02,666 Speaker 1: appearances from movie stars and musicians, instant replay. You know, 177 00:09:02,746 --> 00:09:05,866 Speaker 1: the first time you're seeing access on the field with 178 00:09:06,266 --> 00:09:10,346 Speaker 1: sideline reporters doing interviews with players and coaches. I mean, 179 00:09:10,346 --> 00:09:13,986 Speaker 1: that was sort of a new wrinkle into a lot 180 00:09:14,026 --> 00:09:16,746 Speaker 1: of the coverage that we were able to get over time. 181 00:09:16,866 --> 00:09:19,546 Speaker 1: It's amazing because Melissa's stark you mentioned earlier. She's a 182 00:09:19,666 --> 00:09:21,986 Speaker 1: very good friend of mine, and we've actually talked about 183 00:09:22,066 --> 00:09:26,626 Speaker 1: this at the intersection of culture that those football games, 184 00:09:26,626 --> 00:09:31,986 Speaker 1: those Monday night games sort of transcend the regular football slate, 185 00:09:32,346 --> 00:09:36,706 Speaker 1: and even the casual fan is watching Monday Night Football 186 00:09:36,986 --> 00:09:39,786 Speaker 1: perhaps more closely than any other game. And I bet 187 00:09:39,826 --> 00:09:42,266 Speaker 1: she's got some good stories about that. Yeah, and no 188 00:09:42,466 --> 00:09:45,826 Speaker 1: she will, because you're right, that cross section of entertainment 189 00:09:45,866 --> 00:09:49,146 Speaker 1: and sport. I think that's why Monday Night Football has 190 00:09:49,186 --> 00:09:51,466 Speaker 1: thrived the way that it has. I mean, you mentioned 191 00:09:51,546 --> 00:09:53,786 Speaker 1: John Lennon and the fact that that news breaks and 192 00:09:53,786 --> 00:09:56,666 Speaker 1: co sells the one that delivers that to an audience. 193 00:09:56,866 --> 00:09:58,946 Speaker 1: You know, you fast forward a few more years after that. 194 00:09:58,986 --> 00:10:00,466 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if anyone you would have 195 00:10:00,506 --> 00:10:02,186 Speaker 1: told Pete Roselle when they were doing that deal in 196 00:10:02,226 --> 00:10:07,586 Speaker 1: the sixties. Hey comes around seventeen seasons. It's the longest 197 00:10:07,706 --> 00:10:11,146 Speaker 1: primetime series in the history of network television. That's Monday 198 00:10:11,186 --> 00:10:13,706 Speaker 1: Night Football, which, oh, by the way, just continues to 199 00:10:13,746 --> 00:10:15,906 Speaker 1: happen because we still have Monday Night Football. Do you 200 00:10:15,946 --> 00:10:19,426 Speaker 1: have a favorite Monday Night football voice? John Madden, Dennis Miller, 201 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:23,186 Speaker 1: John Gruden. So to me, Miller is the one that 202 00:10:23,226 --> 00:10:26,426 Speaker 1: stands out because of how different that experiences. But my 203 00:10:26,586 --> 00:10:30,786 Speaker 1: childhood football soundtrack is John Madden. So it's hard for 204 00:10:30,826 --> 00:10:33,426 Speaker 1: me to not think about big games. I mean even 205 00:10:33,466 --> 00:10:36,226 Speaker 1: now right like people will like I hear Aikman in book, like, 206 00:10:36,266 --> 00:10:39,266 Speaker 1: to me, that game sounds bigger because of that crow 207 00:10:39,546 --> 00:10:42,466 Speaker 1: as an example. But there are certain voices that resonate 208 00:10:42,586 --> 00:10:44,026 Speaker 1: more with me, and I don't know if it's because 209 00:10:44,026 --> 00:10:46,306 Speaker 1: I watched them and it's a generational type thing. It's 210 00:10:46,346 --> 00:10:48,186 Speaker 1: hard to argue with that. And I think it was 211 00:10:48,266 --> 00:10:52,186 Speaker 1: also the idea that John Madden was just this larger 212 00:10:52,226 --> 00:10:54,826 Speaker 1: than life figure that he wouldn't get on planes, that 213 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:57,146 Speaker 1: he you know, just all of it. And again that 214 00:10:57,266 --> 00:11:00,586 Speaker 1: still goes back to this idea of Monday night football 215 00:11:00,866 --> 00:11:04,226 Speaker 1: being so big, and you think about the forethought of 216 00:11:04,386 --> 00:11:07,386 Speaker 1: a Pete Rosel to be able to see that the 217 00:11:07,466 --> 00:11:09,586 Speaker 1: insight of an art model to raise his hand and 218 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:11,786 Speaker 1: say I want to be a part of that, and 219 00:11:11,826 --> 00:11:15,586 Speaker 1: that this many years later, that Monday Night football is 220 00:11:15,666 --> 00:11:19,146 Speaker 1: still It's obviously moved on to ESPN, and there are 221 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:21,866 Speaker 1: two other nights a week that you do have this 222 00:11:21,986 --> 00:11:26,266 Speaker 1: individual primetime game, but there's still something about Monday Night. 223 00:11:26,426 --> 00:11:29,266 Speaker 1: When you ask players, they tell you that they know 224 00:11:29,466 --> 00:11:33,186 Speaker 1: Monday Night the entire league is watching them play. I mean, 225 00:11:33,186 --> 00:11:35,506 Speaker 1: I've had this conversation repeatedly. A lot of guys say 226 00:11:35,546 --> 00:11:38,306 Speaker 1: that Sunday Night football, Well, you might be traveling from 227 00:11:38,306 --> 00:11:40,746 Speaker 1: an away game, or you might be having to spend 228 00:11:40,826 --> 00:11:43,906 Speaker 1: time with your wife for you know whatever. That. Yeah, sure, 229 00:11:43,946 --> 00:11:45,546 Speaker 1: you try to watch a Sunday night game, and you 230 00:11:45,586 --> 00:11:47,786 Speaker 1: try to watch a Thursday night game, but it's not 231 00:11:47,906 --> 00:11:50,586 Speaker 1: the same as Monday night when you are definitely tuned 232 00:11:50,626 --> 00:11:52,786 Speaker 1: in and you know everybody else has tuned in. Yeah, 233 00:11:52,906 --> 00:11:55,946 Speaker 1: it's just all eyeballs on that particular product you mentioned. 234 00:11:55,986 --> 00:11:57,786 Speaker 1: And I talked about this a little bit earlier with 235 00:11:57,906 --> 00:12:01,106 Speaker 1: network television. You touched on it now moving to cable television, 236 00:12:01,146 --> 00:12:03,106 Speaker 1: but now it's you know, a couple of years in 237 00:12:03,106 --> 00:12:06,146 Speaker 1: a row, the most watched series on cable the last 238 00:12:06,186 --> 00:12:08,986 Speaker 1: four years is Monday Night Football a d D. You 239 00:12:09,066 --> 00:12:12,066 Speaker 1: and I both know we're passionate football fans. There's a 240 00:12:12,106 --> 00:12:14,746 Speaker 1: reason for that. The eyeballs, that juice, the energy whenever 241 00:12:14,746 --> 00:12:16,626 Speaker 1: you're talking about one of those night games, and just 242 00:12:16,706 --> 00:12:25,586 Speaker 1: how significant that is. Wow. Alright, Mike, just a few 243 00:12:25,786 --> 00:12:29,226 Speaker 1: little fun factoids about Monday night football. Do you know 244 00:12:29,346 --> 00:12:35,946 Speaker 1: which team has played the most on Monday Night Football? Um? 245 00:12:35,986 --> 00:12:37,306 Speaker 1: Off the top of my head. If I'm guests, and 246 00:12:37,466 --> 00:12:42,426 Speaker 1: I'll go Dallas Cowboys, America's team. Good guests, But it's 247 00:12:42,506 --> 00:12:47,426 Speaker 1: actually the Miami Dolphins. Can you guess what teams have 248 00:12:47,546 --> 00:12:52,586 Speaker 1: the most wins on Monday Night football? I can tell 249 00:12:52,626 --> 00:12:56,706 Speaker 1: you it's probably not the Miami Dolphins, and that would 250 00:12:56,746 --> 00:13:00,346 Speaker 1: be a good guess. Your forty Niners. Well, I mean 251 00:13:00,386 --> 00:13:02,186 Speaker 1: you live there. I know the Giants are your Giants. 252 00:13:02,226 --> 00:13:05,626 Speaker 1: But anyway, the forty Niners and the Pittsburgh Steelers are 253 00:13:05,786 --> 00:13:08,186 Speaker 1: hide for the most wins on Monday Night. Here's the 254 00:13:08,266 --> 00:13:13,306 Speaker 1: last one. How many stadiums have made their official debut 255 00:13:14,306 --> 00:13:23,026 Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football? Eight? That was pretty close. Actually 256 00:13:23,226 --> 00:13:27,506 Speaker 1: seven is the correct answer. But a couple of weeks ago, 257 00:13:27,906 --> 00:13:32,826 Speaker 1: when the Raiders hosted Monday Night Football at Allegiance Stadium, 258 00:13:32,866 --> 00:13:36,266 Speaker 1: it was sort of kind of a debut because they 259 00:13:36,306 --> 00:13:38,666 Speaker 1: weren't fans. A year ago. So even though this isn't 260 00:13:38,706 --> 00:13:40,986 Speaker 1: the first year of Allegian Stadium, it is the first 261 00:13:41,186 --> 00:13:44,746 Speaker 1: year of fans in Allegiance Stadium, And so that Raiders 262 00:13:44,826 --> 00:13:48,466 Speaker 1: Ravens game gets you kind of maybe sort of to eight. Yeah, 263 00:13:48,506 --> 00:13:51,226 Speaker 1: that's kind of if it's a tree falls in the 264 00:13:51,226 --> 00:13:53,426 Speaker 1: forest and no one's there to hear it, does the 265 00:13:53,466 --> 00:13:56,546 Speaker 1: treemate noise? I think it's the same. Maybe that's a 266 00:13:56,626 --> 00:13:59,346 Speaker 1: question for Ron Jaworski. What do you think. Yeah, that 267 00:13:59,346 --> 00:14:02,346 Speaker 1: that logic applies when fans are not in attendance. So 268 00:14:02,426 --> 00:14:04,546 Speaker 1: that's where I net out. We always talk about the 269 00:14:04,586 --> 00:14:07,786 Speaker 1: importance of those fans. Uh. So yes, and especially for 270 00:14:07,826 --> 00:14:09,826 Speaker 1: a Raiders fans. Are you're kidding me? Come on now 271 00:14:10,066 --> 00:14:14,866 Speaker 1: black all day? Uh? You mentioned Jaws, who really can 272 00:14:14,906 --> 00:14:18,146 Speaker 1: give us unique perspective on Monday Nights. In fact, the 273 00:14:18,226 --> 00:14:20,826 Speaker 1: first Monday night game that he ever watched, he was 274 00:14:20,866 --> 00:14:22,706 Speaker 1: in his dorm room. Little did he know he'd play 275 00:14:22,706 --> 00:14:24,466 Speaker 1: on Monday Nights and then be a part of the 276 00:14:24,506 --> 00:14:28,666 Speaker 1: broadcast crew. 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But Monday Night football that 315 00:16:41,906 --> 00:16:44,706 Speaker 1: is the focus of today's episode here on NFL Explain 316 00:16:44,826 --> 00:16:46,866 Speaker 1: and a D D You and I felt like maybe 317 00:16:46,906 --> 00:16:49,666 Speaker 1: the best person to talk to on this particular subject 318 00:16:49,906 --> 00:16:51,986 Speaker 1: is Ron because he played in some of these games 319 00:16:52,066 --> 00:16:53,946 Speaker 1: and then he's on a short list. It's a small 320 00:16:53,986 --> 00:16:55,786 Speaker 1: fraternity of people that have been able to say that 321 00:16:55,866 --> 00:16:59,306 Speaker 1: they've been in the broadcast booth from Monday Night Football. Ron, 322 00:16:59,346 --> 00:17:01,506 Speaker 1: you're one of those. Can't thank you enough for the 323 00:17:01,626 --> 00:17:04,266 Speaker 1: time you heard the touchdown call. Do you have any idea, 324 00:17:04,386 --> 00:17:06,066 Speaker 1: like I don't know. If you're a numbers guy and 325 00:17:06,306 --> 00:17:09,226 Speaker 1: focused in on your career, do you know your Monday 326 00:17:09,346 --> 00:17:11,586 Speaker 1: Night record and some of your numbers surrounding those games? 327 00:17:12,026 --> 00:17:14,586 Speaker 1: I do not. I was never concerned about the numbers. 328 00:17:14,666 --> 00:17:16,906 Speaker 1: I was concerned about finding a way to win, so 329 00:17:17,306 --> 00:17:19,586 Speaker 1: the numbers were relevant except the final score. Do you 330 00:17:19,626 --> 00:17:23,266 Speaker 1: want to know the numbers when we do have a 331 00:17:23,306 --> 00:17:27,306 Speaker 1: winning record on Monday Night and you do have more 332 00:17:27,346 --> 00:17:33,506 Speaker 1: touchdowns than picks on Monday Nights, Mike, I five and four, 333 00:17:33,706 --> 00:17:36,746 Speaker 1: I believe with six touchdowns, six touchdowns, and we won't 334 00:17:36,826 --> 00:17:39,226 Speaker 1: mention the interceptions because in your memory, if you don't 335 00:17:39,226 --> 00:17:41,226 Speaker 1: remember them, then they never happened. Ron. That's the one 336 00:17:41,266 --> 00:17:44,546 Speaker 1: thing that that's become obvious, maybe that that's the starting point, 337 00:17:44,666 --> 00:17:46,946 Speaker 1: right like Monday Night Football. But d and I just 338 00:17:47,026 --> 00:17:49,626 Speaker 1: kind of talked about the history of the game. When 339 00:17:49,666 --> 00:17:51,706 Speaker 1: I say Monday night football. What's sort of the first 340 00:17:51,826 --> 00:17:54,946 Speaker 1: memory that comes to mind, Well, watching Monday night football. 341 00:17:54,986 --> 00:17:57,266 Speaker 1: You know, I watched the first Monday night game between 342 00:17:57,306 --> 00:17:58,986 Speaker 1: the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns in my 343 00:17:59,226 --> 00:18:03,226 Speaker 1: dorm room, killed call the Hall at Youngstown State University, 344 00:18:03,346 --> 00:18:05,946 Speaker 1: the first game. Obviously, I was playing ball all the 345 00:18:06,026 --> 00:18:08,146 Speaker 1: time in college, and it was just great to watch 346 00:18:08,226 --> 00:18:11,026 Speaker 1: more football, particularly on a Monday night. And at that time, 347 00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:13,626 Speaker 1: you know, it grew from that to Monday Night football 348 00:18:13,666 --> 00:18:17,266 Speaker 1: being just a king. I'm you know, everybody watched Monday 349 00:18:17,426 --> 00:18:20,386 Speaker 1: night football from you know, Howard Cosal keep Jacks in 350 00:18:20,706 --> 00:18:24,266 Speaker 1: Dandy Don, the whole fantastic early groups of Monday night football. 351 00:18:24,866 --> 00:18:26,586 Speaker 1: You know, I stull remember a game when I was 352 00:18:26,586 --> 00:18:28,626 Speaker 1: playing with the l A. Rams on a Monday night 353 00:18:28,666 --> 00:18:31,906 Speaker 1: game that Howard Cosell had called the game and he 354 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:33,546 Speaker 1: made it a kind when you're playing anyone here anything 355 00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:36,026 Speaker 1: obviously playing the game, but after the game, people said, well, 356 00:18:36,026 --> 00:18:38,426 Speaker 1: you know, Howard go Sell called you a young Joe Nameth. 357 00:18:38,546 --> 00:18:43,506 Speaker 1: You know that is really cool. Man called me a 358 00:18:43,586 --> 00:18:47,466 Speaker 1: young Joe Nameth. So you hear things from other people 359 00:18:47,506 --> 00:18:49,186 Speaker 1: because you know, you concern about what other people are 360 00:18:49,186 --> 00:18:52,426 Speaker 1: saying until the game's over. Well, you mentioned Joe Namis 361 00:18:52,466 --> 00:18:55,346 Speaker 1: and he actually played in that very first Monday night 362 00:18:55,386 --> 00:18:58,746 Speaker 1: game that you're referencing. When you heard there was going 363 00:18:58,826 --> 00:19:01,786 Speaker 1: to be a game in prime time on a weeknight, 364 00:19:02,226 --> 00:19:05,146 Speaker 1: did it feel revolutionary? Did it feel like, wait a minute, 365 00:19:05,186 --> 00:19:08,706 Speaker 1: this is complete messing up the week? A little bit? Absolutely? 366 00:19:08,826 --> 00:19:11,546 Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about football back then, now 367 00:19:11,826 --> 00:19:14,066 Speaker 1: that was nineteen seventy and I came in the NFL 368 00:19:14,226 --> 00:19:18,466 Speaker 1: ninety three. You know, there was ABC, NBC, CBS that 369 00:19:18,586 --> 00:19:21,306 Speaker 1: that was it. You know, in the prime time programming, 370 00:19:21,386 --> 00:19:23,466 Speaker 1: that's pretty much what you had to choose from. You know, 371 00:19:23,546 --> 00:19:25,466 Speaker 1: we're all in a different world right now where there's 372 00:19:25,466 --> 00:19:27,866 Speaker 1: so many choices that you have to watch any event. 373 00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:30,666 Speaker 1: So it really was special Monday night football, you know 374 00:19:30,786 --> 00:19:32,226 Speaker 1: it was when you think, I think it was like 375 00:19:32,666 --> 00:19:34,946 Speaker 1: the ratings were through the roof, thirty million people every 376 00:19:34,986 --> 00:19:37,746 Speaker 1: Monday night watching games. So yeah, it was bigger and 377 00:19:37,906 --> 00:19:40,266 Speaker 1: probably better back then. We'll take us through that piece 378 00:19:40,306 --> 00:19:42,546 Speaker 1: of it too. When you were playing, there was no 379 00:19:42,666 --> 00:19:45,946 Speaker 1: Sunday night football, there was no Thursday night football. So 380 00:19:46,306 --> 00:19:49,146 Speaker 1: as a player putting on your uniform for Monday night 381 00:19:49,186 --> 00:19:52,546 Speaker 1: football in what ways, was that different than Sunday afternoon. 382 00:19:52,986 --> 00:19:55,746 Speaker 1: You knew everyone was going to be watching. All the 383 00:19:55,786 --> 00:19:58,346 Speaker 1: other games were played on Sunday. It was a Monday 384 00:19:58,426 --> 00:20:00,746 Speaker 1: night game. You know, if there were twenty eight teams 385 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:02,826 Speaker 1: or thirty two teams, whatever the case may have been 386 00:20:02,866 --> 00:20:05,586 Speaker 1: back in the you know, the seventies, you knew every 387 00:20:05,946 --> 00:20:09,266 Speaker 1: one of your opponents was watching that game, and that 388 00:20:09,426 --> 00:20:11,586 Speaker 1: was your chance to show your wears. You know that, hey, 389 00:20:11,666 --> 00:20:14,266 Speaker 1: we're gonna show everyone around the league how good we are, 390 00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:17,266 Speaker 1: or individually how good you are as an individual player. 391 00:20:17,386 --> 00:20:19,426 Speaker 1: So clearly it was the focus, and not only the 392 00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:22,466 Speaker 1: fans across America, but the players and coaches as well. 393 00:20:22,746 --> 00:20:24,306 Speaker 1: Ron you made reference to the fact that there was 394 00:20:24,346 --> 00:20:28,226 Speaker 1: only the three networks, ABC, NBC and CBS. Was there 395 00:20:28,346 --> 00:20:32,226 Speaker 1: something specific as a viewer or something that you were 396 00:20:32,306 --> 00:20:34,706 Speaker 1: told after you played in the game that was just 397 00:20:34,906 --> 00:20:38,266 Speaker 1: different about that broadcast compared to what they were normally getting. Yeah, 398 00:20:38,306 --> 00:20:39,986 Speaker 1: no question. When in fact, you know, when when the 399 00:20:40,066 --> 00:20:42,626 Speaker 1: schedule came out, you know you wanted to be on 400 00:20:42,706 --> 00:20:45,466 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. I mean, there is absolutely no doubt 401 00:20:45,506 --> 00:20:48,946 Speaker 1: about a Careers were made on Monday Night Football. And 402 00:20:49,106 --> 00:20:50,666 Speaker 1: once you saw that schedule and you said you had 403 00:20:50,706 --> 00:20:52,346 Speaker 1: a Monday night game. It was one of those you 404 00:20:52,506 --> 00:20:54,466 Speaker 1: took the pen on circle, that one that you know, 405 00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:56,226 Speaker 1: that's the one you want to have the big game on. 406 00:20:56,306 --> 00:20:57,946 Speaker 1: You want to be at your best and in the 407 00:20:58,066 --> 00:20:59,906 Speaker 1: same vein, you don't want to have a clunker either, 408 00:20:59,906 --> 00:21:02,026 Speaker 1: because that's what people will remember about that game, because 409 00:21:02,066 --> 00:21:04,546 Speaker 1: that's people are watching all the other teams. They're watching 410 00:21:04,666 --> 00:21:07,546 Speaker 1: two particular teams and a particular player. So if you're 411 00:21:07,546 --> 00:21:09,426 Speaker 1: that particular player, you want to be sure you put 412 00:21:09,466 --> 00:21:12,626 Speaker 1: on a strong performance. We'll take us to when you 413 00:21:12,746 --> 00:21:15,426 Speaker 1: got to call those games, when you first got tapped 414 00:21:15,546 --> 00:21:19,106 Speaker 1: for that assignment to do the color, what went through 415 00:21:19,146 --> 00:21:21,746 Speaker 1: your head? Yeah, it was absolutely crazy. I'll give you 416 00:21:21,866 --> 00:21:25,706 Speaker 1: the exact scenario. At that time, I was the owner 417 00:21:25,706 --> 00:21:29,466 Speaker 1: of the Philadelphia Soul of the Arena Football League and 418 00:21:29,666 --> 00:21:32,986 Speaker 1: and we were playing a game, and uh, that's when 419 00:21:33,026 --> 00:21:35,146 Speaker 1: I got notified that I was going to be asked 420 00:21:35,186 --> 00:21:38,066 Speaker 1: to do Monday Night Football. At halftime of that game, 421 00:21:39,026 --> 00:21:41,946 Speaker 1: and I was told Norby Williamson at the time, was 422 00:21:42,586 --> 00:21:45,946 Speaker 1: the coordinating producer. He was at the sole game and 423 00:21:46,026 --> 00:21:48,826 Speaker 1: he came late because his plane was delayed, So at halftime, 424 00:21:48,866 --> 00:21:50,426 Speaker 1: he told me, you're going to get the deal for 425 00:21:50,546 --> 00:21:55,106 Speaker 1: Monday in football, but you can't tell anyone because you know, 426 00:21:55,906 --> 00:21:58,586 Speaker 1: Norby was very professional about as approach and Joe Thisan 427 00:21:59,026 --> 00:22:01,466 Speaker 1: was calling games with Korenheiser and Targo, and he said, 428 00:22:01,586 --> 00:22:03,426 Speaker 1: I'm gonna meet with Joe personally and let him know that, 429 00:22:03,666 --> 00:22:05,826 Speaker 1: you know, changes being made. So I totally reached. I 430 00:22:05,906 --> 00:22:09,226 Speaker 1: did the professionalism of Norby, and Joe handled very well 431 00:22:09,346 --> 00:22:11,506 Speaker 1: to this day. We still remained dear friends. But I 432 00:22:11,546 --> 00:22:14,146 Speaker 1: couldn't tell anybody. And my wife is sitting next to 433 00:22:14,186 --> 00:22:15,826 Speaker 1: me the game. I said, can I tell my wife? 434 00:22:18,226 --> 00:22:20,466 Speaker 1: And so I was able to tell him that was it. 435 00:22:20,546 --> 00:22:22,746 Speaker 1: So it took a couple of weeks before the word 436 00:22:22,786 --> 00:22:25,706 Speaker 1: actually had gotten out. Norby did it very professionally and said, 437 00:22:25,986 --> 00:22:27,466 Speaker 1: you know before it got out that I was gonna 438 00:22:27,506 --> 00:22:29,186 Speaker 1: call Monday at football. And you know, I could have 439 00:22:29,266 --> 00:22:31,586 Speaker 1: been more ecstatic to work with Mike di Rico, and 440 00:22:31,826 --> 00:22:33,746 Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of my mentor all along, 441 00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:36,106 Speaker 1: and Tony Kornheiser, who I worked with for a couple 442 00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:39,306 Speaker 1: of years, and Jon Gruden. It was five remarkable years 443 00:22:39,346 --> 00:22:41,666 Speaker 1: of my life. And Chip Dean was a great director 444 00:22:41,826 --> 00:22:44,626 Speaker 1: and you know, all the people that were involved with it. 445 00:22:44,786 --> 00:22:47,146 Speaker 1: You know, we're just we're first class and every way 446 00:22:47,186 --> 00:22:50,026 Speaker 1: you could have met. Jay Rothman was absolutely outstanding. And 447 00:22:50,146 --> 00:22:53,026 Speaker 1: the resources that ESPN then through at Monday night football, 448 00:22:53,026 --> 00:22:54,706 Speaker 1: I mean, my god, we had more done people and 449 00:22:54,786 --> 00:22:57,306 Speaker 1: football teams have because they wanted to be right, and 450 00:22:57,546 --> 00:22:59,506 Speaker 1: we think we delivered a really good product. I was 451 00:22:59,786 --> 00:23:02,306 Speaker 1: very fortunately work with great people. The nerves that come 452 00:23:02,386 --> 00:23:03,986 Speaker 1: with that, though, I think all of us sort of 453 00:23:04,026 --> 00:23:07,266 Speaker 1: have that moment like you get an opportunity and it's 454 00:23:07,306 --> 00:23:10,626 Speaker 1: so big. This is like the sports world in this 455 00:23:10,746 --> 00:23:13,466 Speaker 1: country is focusing. I still remember watching you on a 456 00:23:13,506 --> 00:23:15,426 Speaker 1: lot of those process. I can't even imagine the chills 457 00:23:15,426 --> 00:23:17,226 Speaker 1: and the nerves that come with having to perform at 458 00:23:17,266 --> 00:23:20,066 Speaker 1: that level. Michael, you are so correct, and you know 459 00:23:20,106 --> 00:23:22,106 Speaker 1: I played in the NFL for septi years of players, 460 00:23:22,146 --> 00:23:23,906 Speaker 1: so you've kind of been through the nerves and you 461 00:23:23,986 --> 00:23:26,026 Speaker 1: learn how to control them and everything else. But I 462 00:23:26,226 --> 00:23:29,466 Speaker 1: still remember Hank Williams, you know, we are ready to 463 00:23:29,546 --> 00:23:31,626 Speaker 1: come on the air and I'm thinking, oh my god, 464 00:23:31,706 --> 00:23:35,066 Speaker 1: you know, my family, I want my high school, college's 465 00:23:35,066 --> 00:23:36,866 Speaker 1: gonna be watching this Monday night football game and all 466 00:23:36,906 --> 00:23:39,506 Speaker 1: sudden Hank william starts seeing I ready push some football. 467 00:23:40,106 --> 00:23:42,346 Speaker 1: So you're listening to this, you're you know, you're ready 468 00:23:42,346 --> 00:23:44,506 Speaker 1: to go, and Tariko and Corner has there next to me, 469 00:23:44,586 --> 00:23:46,586 Speaker 1: and you know you're gonna get the go and Mike's 470 00:23:46,586 --> 00:23:49,066 Speaker 1: gonna welcome the Monday night football. But as the Hank 471 00:23:49,106 --> 00:23:52,426 Speaker 1: Williams song is playing, I'm like thinking, oh my god, 472 00:23:52,546 --> 00:23:54,986 Speaker 1: like twenty million people are when that red leg goes on, 473 00:23:55,026 --> 00:23:57,466 Speaker 1: are gonna see me, you know, And I'm just worried 474 00:23:57,466 --> 00:23:59,186 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, like when Mike throws me, I go. 475 00:24:03,626 --> 00:24:05,186 Speaker 1: It was probably one of the few times I can 476 00:24:05,266 --> 00:24:07,666 Speaker 1: honestly tell you I was very nervous in my life. 477 00:24:07,706 --> 00:24:10,066 Speaker 1: But once you got through that first minute, everything was 478 00:24:10,106 --> 00:24:13,106 Speaker 1: pretty smooth. Sailings, I worked with great people Roun. We 479 00:24:13,266 --> 00:24:15,146 Speaker 1: have met in many a press box and many of 480 00:24:15,186 --> 00:24:18,986 Speaker 1: the food room in fact. But you know, there was 481 00:24:19,106 --> 00:24:21,746 Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football or Sunday Night Football was added in 482 00:24:21,826 --> 00:24:24,506 Speaker 1: the eighties, and of course Thursday Night Football was added 483 00:24:24,546 --> 00:24:28,466 Speaker 1: in two thousand six. I've been to a Wednesday game 484 00:24:28,626 --> 00:24:32,866 Speaker 1: last year. There was a Wednesday game and Tuesday game, right, 485 00:24:33,226 --> 00:24:35,786 Speaker 1: so we have not played football all the time. What 486 00:24:36,106 --> 00:24:39,626 Speaker 1: is it about Monday night that still feels so magical 487 00:24:40,106 --> 00:24:43,346 Speaker 1: and it can't be diluted by all of these other 488 00:24:43,506 --> 00:24:46,826 Speaker 1: night games. I just think it's one game. It's one game. 489 00:24:46,866 --> 00:24:49,346 Speaker 1: And of course was Sunday, you could have five or 490 00:24:49,386 --> 00:24:52,026 Speaker 1: six games being played at the same time. The late games, 491 00:24:52,066 --> 00:24:53,666 Speaker 1: he had a few games going on. I think the 492 00:24:53,746 --> 00:24:56,226 Speaker 1: fact that one game you have, you have no choice 493 00:24:56,546 --> 00:24:58,906 Speaker 1: either watch that game or you don't watch football. You 494 00:24:59,586 --> 00:25:01,506 Speaker 1: watch a baseball game, and I think most people will 495 00:25:01,546 --> 00:25:03,746 Speaker 1: prefer to watch football games. I would think they will. 496 00:25:04,386 --> 00:25:06,266 Speaker 1: I think the fact that it's one game game and 497 00:25:06,426 --> 00:25:09,226 Speaker 1: only you get the best production. You know, And we 498 00:25:09,346 --> 00:25:12,226 Speaker 1: were and I told people, if I showed you my 499 00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:16,266 Speaker 1: calendar during the Monday night footballs that season, we were 500 00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:19,946 Speaker 1: working ninety hours a week. And you know, you're around 501 00:25:19,946 --> 00:25:21,626 Speaker 1: a lot of the guys unit and the ladies. You 502 00:25:21,706 --> 00:25:23,026 Speaker 1: know how it is if you're gonna be good at 503 00:25:23,026 --> 00:25:25,306 Speaker 1: your craft and you're you're getting the game that everyone's 504 00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:29,986 Speaker 1: gonna watch. We got producers, we got directors, we got statisticians, 505 00:25:30,066 --> 00:25:32,466 Speaker 1: we got replay guys. Well, I mean we've got officials. 506 00:25:32,826 --> 00:25:34,866 Speaker 1: You've got the best of the best on your troop. 507 00:25:34,986 --> 00:25:37,106 Speaker 1: So that's what made it really exciting. You knew the 508 00:25:37,146 --> 00:25:39,066 Speaker 1: game was, you know, normally gonna be a good game 509 00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:41,346 Speaker 1: because people bring their best in the prime time game. 510 00:25:41,506 --> 00:25:44,866 Speaker 1: You get the best talent covering the game. So it's 511 00:25:44,866 --> 00:25:46,906 Speaker 1: just great to be part of a show like that run. 512 00:25:46,946 --> 00:25:48,946 Speaker 1: As we're preparing for the show, I was we were 513 00:25:48,986 --> 00:25:50,706 Speaker 1: on an email chain and I had wrote this to 514 00:25:50,786 --> 00:25:53,186 Speaker 1: Adity and I said, Man, I'm really so excited to 515 00:25:53,266 --> 00:25:57,586 Speaker 1: talk to you, in particular because you understand that there's 516 00:25:57,626 --> 00:26:00,546 Speaker 1: a cultural relevance that comes with Monday night Football and 517 00:26:00,706 --> 00:26:04,386 Speaker 1: yet seventies eighties, I'm thirty nine, so you know, I 518 00:26:04,706 --> 00:26:07,506 Speaker 1: watched reruns of you know, Dar's Day Show with my 519 00:26:07,546 --> 00:26:10,906 Speaker 1: grandmother and ed Sell like, I understand it to a point, 520 00:26:11,026 --> 00:26:13,906 Speaker 1: I didn't live it, though. How do you characterize the 521 00:26:13,986 --> 00:26:17,466 Speaker 1: cultural significance of Monday night Football? Yeah, I mean you 522 00:26:17,586 --> 00:26:19,626 Speaker 1: think of you know, when John Lennon got you know, 523 00:26:20,106 --> 00:26:22,306 Speaker 1: it was announced on Monday Night Football. There's so many 524 00:26:22,426 --> 00:26:24,946 Speaker 1: iconic things that happened, you know, that were relevant to 525 00:26:25,026 --> 00:26:28,586 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, and very few times was you know, 526 00:26:28,666 --> 00:26:32,186 Speaker 1: the game ever broken into her Howard Cosell breaking down 527 00:26:32,306 --> 00:26:34,146 Speaker 1: because he got that news, and you know, I mean 528 00:26:34,386 --> 00:26:37,186 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that happened during Monday night 529 00:26:37,226 --> 00:26:41,506 Speaker 1: football actions. So I think there was also the interviews 530 00:26:41,626 --> 00:26:45,186 Speaker 1: with celebrities and superstars that came in the booth during 531 00:26:45,226 --> 00:26:47,786 Speaker 1: the game, So that added to it as well. And 532 00:26:47,826 --> 00:26:49,506 Speaker 1: it seemed like, you know, some of the stars that 533 00:26:49,626 --> 00:26:52,546 Speaker 1: played were either became sideline reporters or you know, even 534 00:26:52,586 --> 00:26:54,666 Speaker 1: guys like in the booth like myself, you know. So 535 00:26:54,906 --> 00:26:57,866 Speaker 1: it just added to the luster of Monday Night Football 536 00:26:57,866 --> 00:27:01,586 Speaker 1: and the iconic voices, the iconic personalities, the guests on 537 00:27:01,706 --> 00:27:05,266 Speaker 1: the show, the halftime show, pregame interviews, and the pregame 538 00:27:05,346 --> 00:27:07,906 Speaker 1: show spawned off of Monday Night Football. It used to 539 00:27:07,906 --> 00:27:09,826 Speaker 1: be a I think a half hour pregame show. Now 540 00:27:09,826 --> 00:27:12,546 Speaker 1: they're like, it seems like about five hours now, you know. 541 00:27:12,666 --> 00:27:15,986 Speaker 1: So it just it started a whole another culture. Okay, 542 00:27:16,066 --> 00:27:17,906 Speaker 1: I'm going to put you on the spot. That same 543 00:27:18,026 --> 00:27:20,746 Speaker 1: email chain that Michael is referring to. We all went 544 00:27:20,826 --> 00:27:24,706 Speaker 1: back and forth on our most iconic Monday Night moments, because, 545 00:27:24,746 --> 00:27:26,706 Speaker 1: as you know, it's much bigger if it happens on 546 00:27:26,786 --> 00:27:29,306 Speaker 1: Monday night than if it happens at one pm on Sunday. 547 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:31,546 Speaker 1: So one of our producers just before you came on, 548 00:27:31,746 --> 00:27:34,826 Speaker 1: was insisting it was Odell Beckham Jr. Making that catch 549 00:27:34,906 --> 00:27:39,146 Speaker 1: against Dallas. I'm arguing that it was Lamar Jackson running 550 00:27:39,186 --> 00:27:43,386 Speaker 1: out of the bathroom last year in Cleveland. Tell us, 551 00:27:43,786 --> 00:27:47,546 Speaker 1: when you think of Monday Night, what is either a 552 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:50,346 Speaker 1: play that you witnessed or a play that you called 553 00:27:51,026 --> 00:27:54,026 Speaker 1: Monday Night moment. Yeah, I swore on Monday Night football. 554 00:27:54,066 --> 00:27:57,346 Speaker 1: You may remember that. I didn't think I did, but 555 00:27:57,466 --> 00:28:00,426 Speaker 1: I think I did. Well, you're lucky we're not allowed 556 00:28:00,466 --> 00:28:03,986 Speaker 1: to air what you broadcast. It was slightly embarrassing, and 557 00:28:04,066 --> 00:28:06,026 Speaker 1: yet the time was very embarrassing because we went to 558 00:28:06,106 --> 00:28:09,106 Speaker 1: a break and Jay Roth, who says he gets in 559 00:28:09,186 --> 00:28:14,386 Speaker 1: my earnings jaws, I think you swore, and no, I didn't, 560 00:28:14,866 --> 00:28:16,946 Speaker 1: and I did say so that was it wasn't like 561 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,866 Speaker 1: a band word, you know. And so now we're in 562 00:28:19,946 --> 00:28:23,146 Speaker 1: the break and Jay says, well, you gotta apologize, you know. 563 00:28:23,746 --> 00:28:27,026 Speaker 1: So when we came out of the break, the camera 564 00:28:27,226 --> 00:28:30,146 Speaker 1: was directly on me. There's this you know, when the 565 00:28:30,666 --> 00:28:33,786 Speaker 1: camera in the box, and I got Gruden and tarikco 566 00:28:34,426 --> 00:28:38,266 Speaker 1: next to me and they are like, they're like laughing, 567 00:28:38,946 --> 00:28:41,986 Speaker 1: and I got on and I gotta be very serious, 568 00:28:42,026 --> 00:28:44,586 Speaker 1: ob I said an inappropriate word, and I said, I 569 00:28:44,706 --> 00:28:47,626 Speaker 1: have to apologize for an inappropriate word used during my 570 00:28:47,746 --> 00:28:50,506 Speaker 1: last play call. And I apologize those people I offended. 571 00:28:50,706 --> 00:28:52,866 Speaker 1: And at the same time, I'm being dead serious and 572 00:28:52,986 --> 00:28:54,786 Speaker 1: Mike and John are just like cracking up because I 573 00:28:54,786 --> 00:28:56,906 Speaker 1: gotta make this apology. So that was probably my most 574 00:28:56,946 --> 00:29:00,266 Speaker 1: embarrassing moment. But you know, hey, I made a mistake. 575 00:29:00,306 --> 00:29:02,106 Speaker 1: I got excited and in the course of the game, 576 00:29:02,186 --> 00:29:05,946 Speaker 1: and I I said, it's raw motion. You know your 577 00:29:06,106 --> 00:29:08,866 Speaker 1: is in the moment. How many of you I'll take 578 00:29:08,946 --> 00:29:13,386 Speaker 1: that another step because the next morning, my daughter, who 579 00:29:13,466 --> 00:29:15,986 Speaker 1: watches the games and all, that's just Howard Stern is 580 00:29:16,026 --> 00:29:19,106 Speaker 1: talking about you on the radio. So my daughter was 581 00:29:19,146 --> 00:29:23,226 Speaker 1: more impressed with that. Okay, but let's be fair. The 582 00:29:23,346 --> 00:29:26,466 Speaker 1: reason you said it is you were encouraging the quarterback 583 00:29:26,546 --> 00:29:28,706 Speaker 1: to get rid of the ball a little bit more quickly, right, 584 00:29:28,786 --> 00:29:31,306 Speaker 1: I mean it was reasonable advice. That is correct, And 585 00:29:31,346 --> 00:29:34,586 Speaker 1: actually Howard Stern said some refreshing comments, said, hey, that's 586 00:29:34,586 --> 00:29:37,226 Speaker 1: how Jaws does a game. He gets excited like he's playing. 587 00:29:38,826 --> 00:29:41,666 Speaker 1: So he backed me up, which is good. How many 588 00:29:41,706 --> 00:29:44,146 Speaker 1: of your old teammates or just people around the league 589 00:29:44,266 --> 00:29:47,106 Speaker 1: messaged you after um when it just came to your 590 00:29:47,146 --> 00:29:49,986 Speaker 1: apology because people know you right and and all of 591 00:29:49,986 --> 00:29:53,346 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're apologizing for an S bomb during the broadcast, 592 00:29:53,426 --> 00:29:55,466 Speaker 1: just because you're excited. I would imagine that you said 593 00:29:55,506 --> 00:29:57,546 Speaker 1: Toko and Company like they're kind of giggling while you're 594 00:29:57,546 --> 00:30:00,146 Speaker 1: having to make this apology. I would imagine your close friends, 595 00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:02,746 Speaker 1: your family, former teammates are sitting there laughing too. I'm 596 00:30:02,826 --> 00:30:04,546 Speaker 1: kind of surprised I didn't say anything worse, to be 597 00:30:04,626 --> 00:30:08,626 Speaker 1: honest with you. You know, I'm a football guy. You know, 598 00:30:08,746 --> 00:30:11,466 Speaker 1: I'm in seven years in NFL, four years of college, 599 00:30:11,506 --> 00:30:13,146 Speaker 1: for years of high school. There's a lot of locker 600 00:30:13,226 --> 00:30:15,826 Speaker 1: room mach on this, you know, and words do come out, 601 00:30:15,946 --> 00:30:18,746 Speaker 1: and I'm probably, uh, you know, maybe not always the 602 00:30:18,786 --> 00:30:21,946 Speaker 1: most appropriate user of the proper word. But I'm glad 603 00:30:21,986 --> 00:30:26,746 Speaker 1: it was only a simple negative comment. We're with you 604 00:30:26,826 --> 00:30:29,146 Speaker 1: there in a big way. Ron. We can't thank you 605 00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:31,826 Speaker 1: enough for giving us some time going down memory lane, 606 00:30:32,346 --> 00:30:35,706 Speaker 1: giving us some context on the significance of Monday night football, 607 00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:37,826 Speaker 1: and even just seeing you and hearing your voice. You 608 00:30:37,866 --> 00:30:39,906 Speaker 1: can tell the joy that you have for not only 609 00:30:39,946 --> 00:30:42,426 Speaker 1: the support but the reference that you have for those 610 00:30:42,506 --> 00:30:44,346 Speaker 1: games and Monday Night football. So thank you so much 611 00:30:44,346 --> 00:30:46,386 Speaker 1: for sharing it with us. Hey, my pleasure. Good luck 612 00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:48,186 Speaker 1: to you guys, will be safe well. Thank you and 613 00:30:48,266 --> 00:30:53,986 Speaker 1: you too. We hope to see you soon. Thanks. Hi Mike. 614 00:30:54,306 --> 00:30:57,466 Speaker 1: I have to tell you Jaws is really truly one 615 00:30:57,546 --> 00:31:01,306 Speaker 1: of the real gentlemen in the National Football League media world. 616 00:31:01,386 --> 00:31:05,106 Speaker 1: And I say that from personal experience. My favorite Monday 617 00:31:05,146 --> 00:31:09,506 Speaker 1: Night Football sideline reporter, Melissa's Stark, comes and joins us next. Now, look, 618 00:31:09,546 --> 00:31:11,626 Speaker 1: Melissa has covered just about everything there is to cover. 619 00:31:11,786 --> 00:31:15,626 Speaker 1: She was on NBC MSNBC. She's the mother of four children. 620 00:31:15,746 --> 00:31:20,306 Speaker 1: She danced gamely at my wedding in every way possible, 621 00:31:20,586 --> 00:31:23,346 Speaker 1: and she is really and truly one of my favorite people. 622 00:31:23,506 --> 00:31:26,186 Speaker 1: And I am pumped that she is coming to join us. 623 00:31:26,266 --> 00:31:29,306 Speaker 1: A deity. Was she on fire literally at your wedding? 624 00:31:29,506 --> 00:31:31,586 Speaker 1: There's a story in that, not at my wedding, but 625 00:31:31,706 --> 00:31:34,026 Speaker 1: there is a story to that, and I'm sure you'll 626 00:31:34,066 --> 00:31:36,266 Speaker 1: get it out of her. After the break, we'll talk 627 00:31:36,306 --> 00:31:46,826 Speaker 1: to Melissa about fires and other things. This podcast is 628 00:31:46,866 --> 00:31:51,826 Speaker 1: sponsored by Kindrel. 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Working side 637 00:32:25,066 --> 00:32:28,666 Speaker 1: by side with their customers, they imagine things differently by 638 00:32:28,786 --> 00:32:32,866 Speaker 1: forging new strategic partnerships, they unlock new possibilities, creating a 639 00:32:32,946 --> 00:32:37,546 Speaker 1: world powered by healthy digital systems, alive with opportunity, oxygen 640 00:32:37,586 --> 00:32:40,746 Speaker 1: to innovation, and energy to change the world. Kendrell the 641 00:32:40,826 --> 00:32:49,786 Speaker 1: Heart of Progress. Okay, Mike, this is like I say 642 00:32:49,826 --> 00:32:53,746 Speaker 1: it to my kids. It is treat time. Treat because 643 00:32:53,826 --> 00:32:57,426 Speaker 1: the fabulous, wonderful, brilliant Melissa's Stark is joining us. I 644 00:32:57,506 --> 00:32:59,746 Speaker 1: obviously talked about her a bit before the break, but 645 00:32:59,986 --> 00:33:03,266 Speaker 1: she hosted the Olympics for MSNBC from Beijing. She was 646 00:33:03,386 --> 00:33:06,146 Speaker 1: on The Today Show. She is now the most of 647 00:33:06,306 --> 00:33:09,946 Speaker 1: NFL Networks Emmy Award winning NFL three sixty. But for 648 00:33:10,066 --> 00:33:13,026 Speaker 1: a four year period two thousand to two thousand three, 649 00:33:13,546 --> 00:33:17,266 Speaker 1: she was Monday Night Football sideline reporter, and she is 650 00:33:17,346 --> 00:33:21,906 Speaker 1: here to tell us all about that time period. So, Melissa, 651 00:33:22,066 --> 00:33:25,066 Speaker 1: when you were doing Monday Night football, there was no 652 00:33:25,466 --> 00:33:28,506 Speaker 1: Thursday night football. Monday Night Football was basically the biggest 653 00:33:28,506 --> 00:33:32,346 Speaker 1: show in town, right, It sure was. It was. Oh gosh, 654 00:33:32,866 --> 00:33:35,706 Speaker 1: it was so long ago. My gosh, it was twenty 655 00:33:35,826 --> 00:33:38,706 Speaker 1: years ago. But yes, it was literally the highest rated 656 00:33:38,746 --> 00:33:42,146 Speaker 1: show on television. And um, you know, I look back 657 00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:43,866 Speaker 1: and I kind of pinched myself because I was living 658 00:33:43,946 --> 00:33:45,866 Speaker 1: at the time. But now, you know, if if we 659 00:33:45,986 --> 00:33:48,066 Speaker 1: had social media and we had all these other things 660 00:33:48,466 --> 00:33:50,866 Speaker 1: in my own little small world, you know, would have 661 00:33:50,906 --> 00:33:52,626 Speaker 1: felt bigger. But it was huge. I mean, it was 662 00:33:52,746 --> 00:33:55,386 Speaker 1: the only thing under the lights, you know. Every I 663 00:33:55,386 --> 00:33:57,106 Speaker 1: would always talk to the athletes. I remember talking to 664 00:33:57,186 --> 00:33:58,866 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice and he gave the best quote. He's like, 665 00:33:58,946 --> 00:34:01,986 Speaker 1: there was nothing like playing on Monday night under these 666 00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:04,466 Speaker 1: lights because we just there. There was no other night game. 667 00:34:05,306 --> 00:34:08,506 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, it was pretty unique and special. So 668 00:34:08,946 --> 00:34:10,986 Speaker 1: it seems like you at least have a sense now 669 00:34:11,146 --> 00:34:13,186 Speaker 1: the magnitude of the moment. But like you said, I mean, 670 00:34:13,226 --> 00:34:15,826 Speaker 1: you're in your mid twenties, you're doing sidelines. It's Monday 671 00:34:15,906 --> 00:34:18,146 Speaker 1: Night football in those moments, and it's kind of like 672 00:34:18,226 --> 00:34:20,546 Speaker 1: pre social media in a lot of ways. How did 673 00:34:20,626 --> 00:34:23,946 Speaker 1: you know it was big even in that moment. It's 674 00:34:23,946 --> 00:34:25,986 Speaker 1: funny you say that because and A D. D Can 675 00:34:26,026 --> 00:34:28,226 Speaker 1: attested this doing live shots and things like that on TV. 676 00:34:28,346 --> 00:34:30,386 Speaker 1: You're not thinking, oh my gosh, I'm going out to 677 00:34:30,426 --> 00:34:32,666 Speaker 1: twenty million viewers or I'm going out to five so 678 00:34:32,786 --> 00:34:34,946 Speaker 1: it's just you and a camera, right, But the night 679 00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:38,226 Speaker 1: felt huge. Obviously, working with legends like Al Michaels and 680 00:34:38,346 --> 00:34:41,066 Speaker 1: John Madden was huge. But I think the fact that 681 00:34:41,426 --> 00:34:43,506 Speaker 1: like Saturday Night Live did a spoof on us, it 682 00:34:43,586 --> 00:34:45,266 Speaker 1: was all the other things that, like my friends kind 683 00:34:45,266 --> 00:34:46,906 Speaker 1: of came up to me and said, wow, you know 684 00:34:47,026 --> 00:34:49,426 Speaker 1: you're big now, like you know they just did they 685 00:34:49,506 --> 00:34:51,906 Speaker 1: just did a skin on you on Saturday Live. Or 686 00:34:51,946 --> 00:34:54,426 Speaker 1: the fact that I was on the Madden Game. You know, 687 00:34:54,466 --> 00:34:57,386 Speaker 1: all these younger kids knew my voice from from Madden 688 00:34:57,546 --> 00:35:00,106 Speaker 1: two thousand one or Madden two thousand too, whatever it 689 00:35:00,186 --> 00:35:02,386 Speaker 1: was at the time, So you know, you're living it 690 00:35:02,866 --> 00:35:04,986 Speaker 1: and I was young. I was just trying to be 691 00:35:05,106 --> 00:35:07,026 Speaker 1: one of the guy because there weren't that many women 692 00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:09,506 Speaker 1: in football at the time. And I kind of wish, 693 00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:12,986 Speaker 1: you know, now, with all my knowledge and my confidence 694 00:35:13,026 --> 00:35:14,706 Speaker 1: of being a mother and all that, like, I could 695 00:35:14,746 --> 00:35:16,426 Speaker 1: go back and do it. And I feel like I 696 00:35:16,506 --> 00:35:18,746 Speaker 1: know so much more about the world and everything, and 697 00:35:18,906 --> 00:35:20,426 Speaker 1: and maybe he could appreciate it. But at the time 698 00:35:20,466 --> 00:35:22,666 Speaker 1: it was just sort of overwhelming. And I'm here, I am, 699 00:35:23,106 --> 00:35:25,946 Speaker 1: you know, twenty six years old in the spotlight, but 700 00:35:26,226 --> 00:35:28,786 Speaker 1: it was incredible. Listen, you just said something about how 701 00:35:29,026 --> 00:35:32,586 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football had sort of this cultural reach, these 702 00:35:32,626 --> 00:35:36,386 Speaker 1: cultural tentacles, well beyond just a football game. You were 703 00:35:36,506 --> 00:35:38,506 Speaker 1: there when there was kind of this reset and they 704 00:35:38,586 --> 00:35:42,986 Speaker 1: brought a comedian to the broadcast booth. Well, okay, so 705 00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:47,586 Speaker 1: basically it was donal Meyer, who was the legendary producer 706 00:35:47,706 --> 00:35:50,706 Speaker 1: who worked at NBC and kind of started Saturday Live. 707 00:35:50,786 --> 00:35:53,226 Speaker 1: Just a genius. He came back for a year to 708 00:35:53,346 --> 00:35:55,586 Speaker 1: revamp Monday Night Football, and his old deal was, let 709 00:35:55,626 --> 00:35:58,186 Speaker 1: me bring in five different voices, right, so he's got 710 00:35:58,226 --> 00:36:00,786 Speaker 1: al of course, he brings in Dan Fouls, who's you know, 711 00:36:00,866 --> 00:36:05,186 Speaker 1: the quarterback and and uh played by the analysts. Then 712 00:36:05,226 --> 00:36:07,346 Speaker 1: he thinks of bringing Dennis Miller probably from you know, 713 00:36:07,506 --> 00:36:10,266 Speaker 1: Saturday at Live Days, and then Eric Dickerson. You bring 714 00:36:10,346 --> 00:36:12,066 Speaker 1: in a former player, put him down the sideline, and 715 00:36:12,186 --> 00:36:15,186 Speaker 1: then you know, the female voice and women viewership obviously 716 00:36:15,306 --> 00:36:17,306 Speaker 1: has grown through the years, but still at the time, 717 00:36:17,346 --> 00:36:19,426 Speaker 1: I mean, there were a lot of women who watched 718 00:36:19,666 --> 00:36:21,706 Speaker 1: Monday night Football just because it's more of a you know, 719 00:36:21,826 --> 00:36:23,346 Speaker 1: a lot of women watched the Super Bowl. It's it 720 00:36:23,586 --> 00:36:25,226 Speaker 1: was more of like a kind of a spectacle, you know, 721 00:36:25,306 --> 00:36:27,146 Speaker 1: an event because it was the one night game. So 722 00:36:27,266 --> 00:36:29,946 Speaker 1: I was, Yes, I was very much a part of that, 723 00:36:30,586 --> 00:36:31,986 Speaker 1: and I was sort of thrown in there, you know, 724 00:36:32,026 --> 00:36:34,306 Speaker 1: at a young age. I mean, I'm so appreciative looking back, 725 00:36:34,346 --> 00:36:36,546 Speaker 1: I just again, I wish i'd sort of knew more 726 00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:40,666 Speaker 1: and all of that at the time. Did you feel 727 00:36:40,746 --> 00:36:42,746 Speaker 1: pressure because you just said it, Hey, not a ton 728 00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:45,426 Speaker 1: of females in football, and I can only imagine the 729 00:36:45,466 --> 00:36:47,346 Speaker 1: comments that you had to hear throughout the course of 730 00:36:47,386 --> 00:36:49,106 Speaker 1: your career, but certainly in a role that is as 731 00:36:49,186 --> 00:36:52,026 Speaker 1: high profile as that. Do you feel pressure as a 732 00:36:52,146 --> 00:36:55,906 Speaker 1: twenty six year old sideline reporter Monday night Football to say, 733 00:36:55,906 --> 00:36:57,946 Speaker 1: you know what I actually know what I'm talking about, right, 734 00:36:58,466 --> 00:37:00,346 Speaker 1: you know, And I would try and downplay. I mean, 735 00:37:00,386 --> 00:37:03,186 Speaker 1: obviously I was sort of representing the female voice in 736 00:37:03,266 --> 00:37:06,706 Speaker 1: Donald Meyer's eyes, but also, you know, not sigible about football. 737 00:37:06,786 --> 00:37:08,066 Speaker 1: But I kind of felt like I had to be 738 00:37:08,146 --> 00:37:10,066 Speaker 1: one of the guys. Like I would I wear contacts, 739 00:37:10,066 --> 00:37:12,106 Speaker 1: but i'd wear my glasses, I'd wear jeans for the 740 00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:14,226 Speaker 1: production meetings, like when I was around all the players. 741 00:37:14,266 --> 00:37:16,546 Speaker 1: I just sort of try and downplay my femininity. But 742 00:37:16,626 --> 00:37:18,826 Speaker 1: the funny thing is, and in DD knows this. Then 743 00:37:18,866 --> 00:37:20,186 Speaker 1: I went to go work at the Today Show and 744 00:37:20,186 --> 00:37:22,186 Speaker 1: then I'm with Katie Curk who's wearing like, you know, 745 00:37:22,226 --> 00:37:24,346 Speaker 1: the highest high heels if you've ever seen. That's all 746 00:37:24,386 --> 00:37:28,066 Speaker 1: about being female and embracing your femininity. So I go 747 00:37:28,226 --> 00:37:30,146 Speaker 1: from one extreme to the next where you sort of 748 00:37:30,146 --> 00:37:32,066 Speaker 1: feel like, okay, I can do this, And now it's 749 00:37:32,106 --> 00:37:34,226 Speaker 1: kind of come full circle where you know it's okay 750 00:37:34,306 --> 00:37:36,346 Speaker 1: to be a female and still be respected in football 751 00:37:36,386 --> 00:37:38,586 Speaker 1: and still dressed like a female, and you know all 752 00:37:38,666 --> 00:37:40,266 Speaker 1: of that. I mean, of course, there's a line to 753 00:37:40,306 --> 00:37:43,226 Speaker 1: be drawn. So it was definitely a fine line to walk, 754 00:37:43,466 --> 00:37:46,626 Speaker 1: and I definitely had people challenged me, and it was 755 00:37:46,866 --> 00:37:49,946 Speaker 1: early on, I would say more in other sports, you know, 756 00:37:50,186 --> 00:37:52,986 Speaker 1: Like I was covering a golf event and Jack Nicholas 757 00:37:53,026 --> 00:37:56,266 Speaker 1: said something, you know, sort of it was with Tiger 758 00:37:56,266 --> 00:37:59,466 Speaker 1: Woods and Sergio Garcia and people who are your you know, 759 00:37:59,626 --> 00:38:01,706 Speaker 1: this generation, you kind of get it, got the women 760 00:38:01,746 --> 00:38:03,906 Speaker 1: were part of things. And then Jack said something sort 761 00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:05,226 Speaker 1: of like, well you might be nice to look at, 762 00:38:05,346 --> 00:38:08,066 Speaker 1: but you're in my line, you know, something like that, 763 00:38:08,226 --> 00:38:11,466 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh, um, but I digressed 764 00:38:11,466 --> 00:38:14,026 Speaker 1: for Monday night football. My point being it wasn't always 765 00:38:14,066 --> 00:38:15,946 Speaker 1: easy to be a female, you know, when you were 766 00:38:15,986 --> 00:38:18,506 Speaker 1: so young covering this, and now it's much more accepted 767 00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:21,146 Speaker 1: and commonplace. Well, Melissa, you know what you do make 768 00:38:21,186 --> 00:38:24,826 Speaker 1: a great transition right there. You have covered the Olympics, 769 00:38:24,986 --> 00:38:28,306 Speaker 1: You've been on the sideline at Super Bowls games in London. 770 00:38:28,666 --> 00:38:32,706 Speaker 1: All of these big events tell us something about Monday 771 00:38:32,786 --> 00:38:35,826 Speaker 1: night football that just isn't matched anywhere else, or that 772 00:38:36,026 --> 00:38:39,026 Speaker 1: makes it simply unique. You know. I keep saying under 773 00:38:39,106 --> 00:38:42,626 Speaker 1: the lights, but like the energy at night and just 774 00:38:42,786 --> 00:38:45,226 Speaker 1: the fact when I did it, that it was the 775 00:38:45,466 --> 00:38:47,986 Speaker 1: one game at night that made it so special. Um. 776 00:38:48,266 --> 00:38:50,986 Speaker 1: I think working with legends and you mentioned the Olympics 777 00:38:51,026 --> 00:38:52,946 Speaker 1: and things like and I've worked with some incredible people, 778 00:38:53,306 --> 00:38:55,026 Speaker 1: but there was something about you know, John Madden and 779 00:38:55,226 --> 00:38:58,186 Speaker 1: riding in the Madden Cruiser, and and then just the 780 00:38:58,306 --> 00:39:00,946 Speaker 1: access that you have. I mean, granted we have great access, 781 00:39:00,986 --> 00:39:02,626 Speaker 1: you know working at NFL, I working in the NFL, 782 00:39:02,746 --> 00:39:04,266 Speaker 1: or if you work at the ESPN or wherever, people 783 00:39:04,306 --> 00:39:06,706 Speaker 1: have access, but like you know, I could call any 784 00:39:07,226 --> 00:39:09,786 Speaker 1: college coach and anywhere. You know, hey, it's let's start 785 00:39:09,866 --> 00:39:11,546 Speaker 1: oneing up a boom. You know. It was just sort 786 00:39:11,586 --> 00:39:13,986 Speaker 1: of the name and the brand of it all was 787 00:39:14,146 --> 00:39:17,306 Speaker 1: just you know, above and beyond. We we can't let 788 00:39:17,346 --> 00:39:19,986 Speaker 1: the Madden Cruiser grow. I mean you've got on road 789 00:39:20,026 --> 00:39:22,506 Speaker 1: trips on the mad and Cruiser. Oh yeah, Oh, I 790 00:39:22,546 --> 00:39:25,026 Speaker 1: mean we went everywhere on like because because if we 791 00:39:25,146 --> 00:39:27,026 Speaker 1: travel with John, that was the only way to go. 792 00:39:27,306 --> 00:39:29,426 Speaker 1: So every production meeting we go to, every time, we 793 00:39:29,466 --> 00:39:31,466 Speaker 1: went out to dinner, and and then it was really 794 00:39:31,506 --> 00:39:34,226 Speaker 1: special because every usually the Christmas Games, they'd always give 795 00:39:34,306 --> 00:39:35,906 Speaker 1: us a Tampa game just because you know, it's outside 796 00:39:35,906 --> 00:39:37,826 Speaker 1: at night. They didn't want to totally freeze at night, 797 00:39:38,386 --> 00:39:40,706 Speaker 1: so we'd have one there. And my family lives near 798 00:39:40,786 --> 00:39:43,026 Speaker 1: the Sarasota area, and John has a house in Sarasota, 799 00:39:43,106 --> 00:39:45,226 Speaker 1: so my whole family would get on and we'd buy 800 00:39:45,306 --> 00:39:48,666 Speaker 1: the John down there. It was amazing and he's just, 801 00:39:49,106 --> 00:39:52,706 Speaker 1: you know, this larger than life figure but just as 802 00:39:52,786 --> 00:39:55,426 Speaker 1: down to earth and genuine as could be. And we're 803 00:39:55,506 --> 00:39:58,786 Speaker 1: just cruising along, you know, after the game. Can you 804 00:39:58,866 --> 00:40:01,706 Speaker 1: imagine if you had your kids then four kids riding 805 00:40:01,746 --> 00:40:05,426 Speaker 1: along in the Madden Cruiser. I always say that, I mean, 806 00:40:05,786 --> 00:40:07,386 Speaker 1: you know, now, my kids, can you know kind of 807 00:40:07,426 --> 00:40:09,026 Speaker 1: come down the field or do this and that, or 808 00:40:09,066 --> 00:40:11,426 Speaker 1: get a jersey signed, or come to a super Bowl, 809 00:40:11,466 --> 00:40:14,226 Speaker 1: but like to relive all of that would have been 810 00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:17,346 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing through their eyes. I can't even imagine. Just 811 00:40:17,866 --> 00:40:22,386 Speaker 1: really no, I did it like maddening cruiser. Um, Melissa, 812 00:40:22,546 --> 00:40:24,346 Speaker 1: is there is there a moment that stands out? I'm 813 00:40:24,346 --> 00:40:27,026 Speaker 1: sure there's probably a ton with you know, just kind 814 00:40:27,066 --> 00:40:29,186 Speaker 1: of hanging out with John and the entire crew. But 815 00:40:29,306 --> 00:40:31,466 Speaker 1: when I say Monday Night football is their memory that 816 00:40:31,546 --> 00:40:34,546 Speaker 1: does stick out maybe above the rest. Ironically, our first 817 00:40:34,586 --> 00:40:37,186 Speaker 1: season together, that first season with all the five people 818 00:40:37,306 --> 00:40:39,506 Speaker 1: and then it changed to just Al and John Madden 819 00:40:39,546 --> 00:40:43,106 Speaker 1: and me, But when we had everybody together. That was 820 00:40:43,466 --> 00:40:46,266 Speaker 1: I mean Al would even tell you our ratings were 821 00:40:46,306 --> 00:40:47,786 Speaker 1: through the roof, and we like to think that it 822 00:40:47,866 --> 00:40:49,866 Speaker 1: was because of the five of us. But we had 823 00:40:50,386 --> 00:40:51,906 Speaker 1: the best games. I mean, if you go back and 824 00:40:51,946 --> 00:40:54,146 Speaker 1: look at it, we might have had five or six 825 00:40:54,266 --> 00:40:56,626 Speaker 1: overtime games. We had the longest game in Monday night 826 00:40:56,666 --> 00:40:59,106 Speaker 1: football history. It was a viny testaverty was the Jets game. 827 00:40:59,346 --> 00:41:01,106 Speaker 1: I mean, it just kept going and going and going. 828 00:41:01,466 --> 00:41:04,186 Speaker 1: We also had the Antonio Freeman catch, the you know, 829 00:41:04,386 --> 00:41:06,906 Speaker 1: Michael's like he did what. You know, it was pretty 830 00:41:06,946 --> 00:41:09,986 Speaker 1: cool just to be part of these um and you know, 831 00:41:10,186 --> 00:41:12,066 Speaker 1: not that I'm complaining, but a lot of times and 832 00:41:12,146 --> 00:41:13,826 Speaker 1: you guys have been there down on the sidelines, it's 833 00:41:13,866 --> 00:41:16,066 Speaker 1: not the best, you know, when you're a little raised up. 834 00:41:16,146 --> 00:41:17,626 Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'd be like, wait, what does that? When 835 00:41:17,626 --> 00:41:19,106 Speaker 1: I didn't see what happened, I got to run over 836 00:41:19,186 --> 00:41:21,506 Speaker 1: and interview this guy, you know, because you're down at 837 00:41:21,506 --> 00:41:23,906 Speaker 1: the ground level. But just the excitement of doing like 838 00:41:23,946 --> 00:41:27,146 Speaker 1: the postgame interviews kind of right afterwards, it's nothing that 839 00:41:27,306 --> 00:41:29,106 Speaker 1: you can really match. And then I fast forward in 840 00:41:29,186 --> 00:41:31,186 Speaker 1: this past year. I went to a few games during 841 00:41:31,226 --> 00:41:33,146 Speaker 1: COVID once they started opening a back up and no 842 00:41:33,346 --> 00:41:36,146 Speaker 1: fans and no sidelines, and you realize the difference of 843 00:41:36,186 --> 00:41:38,786 Speaker 1: the energy. I mean, and you guys understand that. I mean, 844 00:41:38,826 --> 00:41:40,826 Speaker 1: it was like night and day. So you realize how 845 00:41:40,906 --> 00:41:45,386 Speaker 1: much you appreciate those fans, how much you appreciate that atmosphere. Um, well, 846 00:41:45,426 --> 00:41:48,266 Speaker 1: I I do like my third game, my third game there, 847 00:41:48,306 --> 00:41:50,986 Speaker 1: so they would make me stand do my open right 848 00:41:51,066 --> 00:41:52,866 Speaker 1: near where the players weren't out of the tunnel, and 849 00:41:52,946 --> 00:41:55,066 Speaker 1: so like the pyrotechnics are going off, you know, as 850 00:41:55,066 --> 00:41:57,986 Speaker 1: they introduced the team shooting up and my sweater, the 851 00:41:58,066 --> 00:42:01,106 Speaker 1: back of my sweater caught on fire and I stepped 852 00:42:01,106 --> 00:42:03,106 Speaker 1: out of position and John's like, get back in position. 853 00:42:03,186 --> 00:42:05,226 Speaker 1: We're coming to you in three seconds. And so I 854 00:42:05,306 --> 00:42:07,026 Speaker 1: had to do my report and the thing was kind 855 00:42:07,026 --> 00:42:10,266 Speaker 1: of smoldering in the back for like fixing seconds. So 856 00:42:10,426 --> 00:42:12,946 Speaker 1: that was certainly pretty memorable and like, you know, one 857 00:42:12,946 --> 00:42:15,386 Speaker 1: of those treacherous things that you experienced on the job. 858 00:42:15,986 --> 00:42:17,306 Speaker 1: But it was, you know, there are a lot of 859 00:42:17,426 --> 00:42:20,626 Speaker 1: you know, just incredible, you know, Michael Vick. It's just 860 00:42:20,706 --> 00:42:22,186 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think back to all these guys, 861 00:42:22,226 --> 00:42:24,826 Speaker 1: and it was just Tom Brady, like in the opener 862 00:42:24,906 --> 00:42:27,466 Speaker 1: the in in Gillette. I just it was just incredible 863 00:42:27,666 --> 00:42:29,306 Speaker 1: because you know, it's a lot of these guys who 864 00:42:29,346 --> 00:42:31,786 Speaker 1: were either retired now or you know, Tom Brady is 865 00:42:31,826 --> 00:42:34,466 Speaker 1: not retired obviously, but you know, to follow him through 866 00:42:34,626 --> 00:42:38,066 Speaker 1: his career and to start back then, you know, and 867 00:42:38,146 --> 00:42:39,826 Speaker 1: to cover Pro Bowl. We didn't we so if you 868 00:42:39,866 --> 00:42:41,546 Speaker 1: did one in a football, you did the Pro Bowl. 869 00:42:41,706 --> 00:42:43,786 Speaker 1: So you've got a Wii for two weeks at the 870 00:42:43,786 --> 00:42:47,346 Speaker 1: one of the season. Talk about incredible because you guys 871 00:42:47,386 --> 00:42:49,346 Speaker 1: are making me take walk down memory lane and like 872 00:42:50,506 --> 00:42:54,826 Speaker 1: how amazing it was. Yeah, you know, experience is wasted 873 00:42:54,866 --> 00:42:58,746 Speaker 1: on the young, right, Melissa totally, who wouldn't sign up 874 00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:03,706 Speaker 1: for that now? So so so appreciate. This is that 875 00:43:03,786 --> 00:43:07,546 Speaker 1: smoldering sweater in Canton. You know what, I still have it. 876 00:43:07,666 --> 00:43:12,946 Speaker 1: It's so funny. I still have it. Uhh. Yeah, I 877 00:43:13,026 --> 00:43:14,666 Speaker 1: gotta pack you up, but I kept it for you know, 878 00:43:14,746 --> 00:43:17,626 Speaker 1: for memory's stake. Yes, exactly. I'm so glad to talk 879 00:43:17,626 --> 00:43:20,826 Speaker 1: to you guys the best any time. Yeah, you guys 880 00:43:20,866 --> 00:43:23,226 Speaker 1: are awesome. Well, thank you, thank you so much and 881 00:43:23,306 --> 00:43:25,706 Speaker 1: we will definitely talk to you soon. Okay, good, thanks 882 00:43:25,866 --> 00:43:31,546 Speaker 1: take care guys. Fine, So Mike none of that is fake. 883 00:43:31,666 --> 00:43:35,306 Speaker 1: That is exactly how Melissa talks all the time. Super 884 00:43:35,426 --> 00:43:38,986 Speaker 1: high energy and st dot it with four kids, four teenagers, 885 00:43:39,066 --> 00:43:41,586 Speaker 1: can you imagine and still have that energy. But I'll 886 00:43:41,626 --> 00:43:45,386 Speaker 1: tell you this, listening to her makes me so hungry 887 00:43:45,586 --> 00:43:48,266 Speaker 1: to be back on a Monday night football sideline. Why 888 00:43:48,346 --> 00:43:50,746 Speaker 1: not just the energy that's there, You're right. Look, I mean, 889 00:43:50,786 --> 00:43:53,306 Speaker 1: I know we've spent this entire episode talking about the 890 00:43:53,386 --> 00:43:56,026 Speaker 1: history of the game, why the game actually is played 891 00:43:56,106 --> 00:43:57,746 Speaker 1: on a Monday night, and then of course some of 892 00:43:57,826 --> 00:44:00,626 Speaker 1: those memorable moments, and there are so many moments that 893 00:44:00,826 --> 00:44:03,186 Speaker 1: we weren't even able to touch upon. But there's one 894 00:44:03,226 --> 00:44:06,466 Speaker 1: thing that's abundantly clear. I am never going to forget 895 00:44:06,746 --> 00:44:09,746 Speaker 1: Melissa telling us that she was on fire right before 896 00:44:09,906 --> 00:44:11,906 Speaker 1: she was about to do a live hit on television, 897 00:44:12,226 --> 00:44:14,786 Speaker 1: and that she still has the sweater, that she still 898 00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:18,906 Speaker 1: has the sweater. Oh gosh, Well, you know what, Mike, 899 00:44:18,986 --> 00:44:21,426 Speaker 1: this one has been a lot of fun. It's been 900 00:44:21,466 --> 00:44:24,266 Speaker 1: a weird trip down memory lane. And I can't say 901 00:44:24,306 --> 00:44:27,306 Speaker 1: that I ever really wondered why football was played on 902 00:44:27,346 --> 00:44:29,466 Speaker 1: Monday night. It just felt like the thing that had 903 00:44:29,506 --> 00:44:31,186 Speaker 1: to be done. Well, I think you just like this 904 00:44:31,266 --> 00:44:32,746 Speaker 1: episode a lot because you get to catch up with 905 00:44:32,786 --> 00:44:35,066 Speaker 1: a couple of your buddies in dwarf Sky and Melissa, 906 00:44:35,186 --> 00:44:37,866 Speaker 1: so appreciate their time and hanging out with us on 907 00:44:38,506 --> 00:44:40,466 Speaker 1: this podcast. But don't forget we want to make sure 908 00:44:40,506 --> 00:44:43,946 Speaker 1: that your rate your review follow us. 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