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Speaker 1: You get that little nature in the background there. Hello, Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is spring break Renee's tennis podcast,

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Speaker 2: Gone Wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I never went on spring break because you know,

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Speaker 1: in Australia it was only summer break. We didn't really

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Speaker 1: don't think, not really. I mean, we have summer and

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Speaker 1: winter and pretty much everything in between. We do have spring,

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Speaker 1: and we have autumn. You have fall, we have autumn.

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Speaker 1: Don't you call it autumn in Canada? We do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So there you go. So you know what I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about anyway. But we're on the other side of the world.

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Speaker 1: So it's a little bit flippedloped. But I am, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am. I have a week off of my show,

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Speaker 1: so I tripped off down to Mexico and I can

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Speaker 1: honestly say, this is my second time to Mexico and

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Speaker 1: I want to live here. I love it. It's just the best.

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Speaker 3: I told you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is why I'm always this is why

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Speaker 2: I won't shut up about it on our podcast.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, I can listen. We're in last Carbo,

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Speaker 1: so I'm just hoping that maybe a WTA decides to

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Speaker 2: Well, I have played in Los Carbos at the courts

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Speaker 3: They have a men's event, I mean in.

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Speaker 3: It's cool, it works.

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Speaker 2: You get it, and it's a beautiful place to be

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Speaker 1: Viva on Mexico. Yes, have an event in Guadalajara, which

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Speaker 2: Should we start there, I feel like there's a lot

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Speaker 2: Let's start there, because we had some pretty intense words

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Speaker 2: makes a better organization, and the candor with which most

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Speaker 2: other governing bodies of sports treat their task treat the

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Speaker 2: discharge of their duties. I'm thinking specifically about the NBA,

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Speaker 2: but also truly the most interne scene and secretive of

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Speaker 2: the governing bodies, the NFL. Even Roger Goodall has had

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Speaker 2: to explain multiple times why people like Dan Snyder are

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Speaker 2: still in the league, why the sexual harassment policy exists

440
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Speaker 2: as it does, why they've made this decision or not

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Speaker 2: that decision. Part of that is having a healthy, robust

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Speaker 2: press around the sport, asking the tough questions. But part

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Speaker 2: of it is also the culture of the sport feeling

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Speaker 2: like they have to provide answers. And I think because

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Speaker 2: tennis has been this like kind of little sleepy backwater

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Speaker 2: where everybody knows each other and everyone's got don't worry,

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Speaker 2: I'll hire your kid over at my company. Don't worry,

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Speaker 2: I've got your back. When you are done doing that

449
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Speaker 2: governing body thing, just come over here and be in

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Speaker 2: a you know, it's the same kind of like little

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Speaker 2: buddy buddy thing, and the culture isn't You're right, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna come out and I'm gonna be transparent. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to tell you we tried really hard to get the Amoradis,

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Speaker 2: and we tried really hard to get the Mexicans, and

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Speaker 2: they didn't quite come up with enough money. So we

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Speaker 2: have no choice and this is what we have to do,

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Speaker 2: and it sucks, but this is my responsibility, is to

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Speaker 2: make sure.

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Speaker 3: There's a viable league.

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Speaker 2: If Steve Simon had said that, I would think, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: and maybe he did all those things. He's just not

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Speaker 2: The culture isn't to say them because nobody is afraid.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's afraid to sort of say or own anything and

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Speaker 2: to be honest. Most of what allows us as an

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Speaker 2: independent media company, you, as an independent media personality, coach, contractor,

466
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Speaker 2: et cetera. What allows us to have this conversation is

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Speaker 2: our independence. If you and I were working for the WTA,

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Speaker 2: if we're working for the USTA, if we're working for

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Speaker 2: some other governing body, we would be scared into silence,

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Speaker 2: or probably in my case at least, i'd already have

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Speaker 2: So the idea that Steve Simon could come out and say,

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Speaker 2: here's what we tried, here's what we did, here's what

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Speaker 2: we're doing, here's what I'm thinking. Maybe he could do

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Speaker 2: it because he runs it, but the whole culture of

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Speaker 2: the place isn't even tolerant of that. And again when

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Speaker 2: I say things like the entirety of the media apparatus,

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Speaker 2: the entirety of the governing body apparatus, the entirety of

495
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Speaker 2: the sponsorship an agent apparatus needs probably to be blown

496
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Speaker 2: up and rebuilt a little bit. Not to say everybody

497
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Speaker 2: needs to lose their job and you know, forever be

498
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Speaker 2: stuck in condemnation, but rather there just needs to be

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Speaker 2: a shakeup in a lot of very fundamental ways, because

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Speaker 2: the things that we know to be true or true.

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Speaker 2: Tennis is incredibly popular global sport. Women's tennis is the

502
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Speaker 2: most popular women's sport. Somehow, the fact that we've fallen

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Speaker 2: behind all these other women's sports is unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: Things need to change. Yeah, I'm a fan of drastic change.

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Speaker 2: I know you are too, And that's in the spirit

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Speaker 2: of making this product as absolutely successful as it deserves

507
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Speaker 2: to be. Is what this conversation is about, and it's

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Speaker 2: one that unfortunately we find ourselves keep having.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just feel like there's an avenue

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Speaker 1: or there's ways to, you know, make it popular and

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Speaker 1: make it more popular, make it marketing, marketing it better,

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Speaker 1: and so we don't have to go to China necessarily, right,

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Speaker 1: And so that's my so we have options. Just give

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Speaker 1: me options and then let me know the bottom line

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Speaker 1: of those options, and if they are significantly less or whatever,

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Speaker 1: after we've done all of the marketing, or you know,

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Speaker 1: ask people to get on board. I don't know, grab

518
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Speaker 1: a rebel Wilson who's obsessed with tennis and get her

519
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Speaker 1: to do a campaign for you or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, there's ways around it. I know it

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Speaker 1: doesn't cost you money, of course, to cost you money,

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Speaker 1: but there's also a quid pro quo. You know, you

523
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Speaker 1: can you can say we'll invite you to any event

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Speaker 1: and we'd love to have you here, and would you

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Speaker 1: mind doing like like she did the NFL last year

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Speaker 1: with the LA Rams. Like she did an entire thing

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Speaker 1: for the NFL and the LA Rams. They paid her

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Speaker 1: money and she did the like. There's so many people

529
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Speaker 1: like that that are obsessed with tennis. I know plenty

530
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Speaker 1: of them that would love to do something like that,

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Speaker 1: but there's never a question asked of people like that. Instead,

532
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Speaker 1: we get them to fucking buy pickle ball, you know, teams.

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Speaker 2: But we did all the notes, all the hits, everybody.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome for yet another wt A rant on to

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Speaker 2: Charles Leclerk, Paul Gastley and what they were watching in Monacrlo,

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Speaker 2: which was the incredible tennis tournament that took place at

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Speaker 2: what has to be one of the most beautiful tennis

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Speaker 2: clubs in all of the world. I have not been

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Speaker 2: to Monaco. I have not seen it in person. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've been a lot of players live there.

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Speaker 3: What were your.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts were impressions, give me the give me everything off

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Speaker 2: the top of your mind.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic event, right, just incredible to see, you know, these

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Speaker 1: players just battling it out. Tough condition, a lot of

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Speaker 1: rain this week and so that was that was pretty

547
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Speaker 1: tough for the players to have to go on and

548
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Speaker 1: off the court. I was super happy to see Taylor

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Speaker 1: Fritz have a great tournament. I always loved the fact

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Speaker 1: that he kicked stephanoff sits A passes, but after Stephanov's

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Speaker 1: made that very very very weird. But not that that's

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Speaker 1: every any abnormality when it comes to stephan Stephana sits

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Speaker 1: a pass and he's weird tweets and rants on cameras,

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Speaker 1: but basically saying, USA, red clay unicorn, like what and

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Speaker 1: then and then I love it. I'm loving the trash talk,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, and then Taylor goes and kicks his

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Speaker 1: butt on red clay and then writes on the thing

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Speaker 1: USA clay question mark, question mark, question mark. I loved it.

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Speaker 1: It was great that that whole little episode between him

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Speaker 1: and Steph was classic. And you know, Taylor Fritz is

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Speaker 1: letting everyone know that he is a real threat on

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Speaker 1: every single surface. So I'm happy to see that for

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Speaker 1: American tennis, obviously. I want to flip back to Francis

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Speaker 1: Tiafo speaking of clay winning the US Clay Court Tournament

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Speaker 1: and in Houston. That was awesome to see him get

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Speaker 1: his second ATP title. So you know, American men are

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Speaker 1: sort of proving themselves that they can play on all surfaces,

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Speaker 1: which is nice to see. But I mean, overall, look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was bummed for a sinner that he

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Speaker 1: didn't get through to another final. I mean, you know

571
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Speaker 1: how I feel about him. I just love him. I

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Speaker 1: think he's just such a great kid, and his efforts

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Speaker 1: through the week to come back from I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: had such a long, long, long, like two months, and

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Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping you would culminate by winning

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Speaker 1: this tournament, but you know, fell short against Rune who's

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Speaker 1: just you know, proving himself to be so good on

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Speaker 1: all surfaces and he's so young. But man, he's disliked

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Speaker 1: on tour. I mean, is there a person that likes

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Speaker 1: this kid? Like it's amazing? He just pisses people off

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Speaker 1: on the court and the garbage that he carries on with.

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Speaker 1: But I'm hoping by the time he's twenty two or

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Speaker 1: twenty three, he's kind of calmed down a little bit

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Speaker 1: with that stuff and being so I don't know, just punishable.

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Speaker 1: Can I say that? Just punishable with hiss and the

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Speaker 1: way he carries on, And I think it really hurts

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Speaker 1: him because look at what happened in the final against

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Speaker 1: ruby Blev. I mean, he was smacking rube Lev. He

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Speaker 1: gets up for one and bang the cramps start again.

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Speaker 1: And he's had an issue with this in the past

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Speaker 1: where the cramping has really hurt him. And I just

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Speaker 1: wonder how much of that has to do with his

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Speaker 1: emotions and his ups and downs.

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Speaker 3: And his the energy he's using to yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: Do whatever, you know, And then he belts two balls

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Speaker 1: out out of the stadium, which frankly should have been

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Speaker 1: two warnings. I don't know why that was only given

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Speaker 1: one warning. That's some bullshit, Like as soon as he

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Speaker 1: hit it out, it should have been warning ball of

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Speaker 1: Bruce abuse. Instead there was like five seconds and then

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Speaker 1: bang he hit another one out. That should have been too,

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Speaker 1: That should have been a point penalty. There's little things

603
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Speaker 1: like that that teach people. Look at Dennishopavolov when he

604
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Speaker 1: hit the umpire, you know.

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Speaker 3: Change the course of his life.

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Speaker 1: He's never been a deck again, well, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he hasn't been a dick on court. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's certainly things that Dennis probably could get a little

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Speaker 1: bit better up himself when it comes to his attitude.

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Speaker 1: And this is hello those that live in glass else.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm talking about this from experience, Like I think

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Speaker 1: he definitely definitely that changed him. He could probably get better.

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Speaker 1: But someone like that to rune to lose a point,

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Speaker 1: you know, and get a point penalty, you start saying,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have some restraint at times, you know.

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Speaker 1: And Roger Federer learned that from a very young age

617
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Speaker 1: because he was a complete hot head when he was younger.

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Speaker 1: And like someone like you know, Uncle Tony tells rape

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Speaker 1: if you ever do that again, Like, I'll take the

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Speaker 1: record out of your hand. You'll never get on the

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Speaker 1: tennis court. So there are little things that he could

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Speaker 1: probably get better at, but Rune has definitely proven himself

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Speaker 1: to be one of the best players in the world.

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Speaker 1: This kid is going to be around a long time.

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Speaker 1: He's really friggin good. But I mean, how happy were

626
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Speaker 1: you for Rubelev? I mean, this guy like that.

627
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Speaker 2: Was such a good outcome, especially because with all of

628
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Speaker 2: the Russia stuff and him being on the right side

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Speaker 2: of it and just a emotive, thoughtful, hard working, you know,

630
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Speaker 2: head down kind of player, especially against a hot head

631
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Speaker 2: like Runa, who's got the game. I totally agree and

632
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Speaker 2: is absolutely on all surfaces. But emotionally, you just really

633
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Speaker 2: really want rube Lev to win that unless you like

634
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Speaker 2: the assholes, because rube Lev could not be I think

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Speaker 2: more well liked and self effacing and funny, Like he's

636
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Speaker 2: such a good personality. But honestly, like one of the

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Speaker 2: things that I took away from the tournament, especially given

638
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Speaker 2: like the kind of like little trash talk with Britz

639
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Speaker 2: and Stefanos, the little like you know, Medvedev and Zverev,

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Speaker 2: that was hilarious, especially because Verev is talking about how

641
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Speaker 2: it feels to be a great sport and then people

642
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Speaker 2: on the internet immediately posted that video of him tomahawk

643
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Speaker 2: chopping the umpire stand, which in my mind should have

644
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Speaker 2: been the second time that he was probably justified in

645
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Speaker 2: being kicked off the tour. But it's really funny because

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Speaker 2: I think now that the Big three are not as

647
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Speaker 2: present in our space. And obviously Djokovic played, he broke

648
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: a couple of rackets. He did not play as best

649
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: as he often doesn't in Monte Carlo, but since he

650
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: was from the tournament, it was sort of nice to

651
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: see this other generation of kids sounding getting chippy and

652
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: like competing with each other.

653
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: I really liked that.

654
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: I thought it meant this layer of the ATP was

655
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: all kind of like interesting. I do want to make

656
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: the point that Bozverev and Runa, who have like two

657
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: of the more like kind of questionable attitudes on the court,

658
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: are both the guys like most likely most likely to

659
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: like double fault on match point.

660
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: You know, I think there's something.

661
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: About their like, you know, like tough guy act that

662
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: is such an act where you're like, oh, who's going

663
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: to double fault on match point, it's alex Verev. Oh,

664
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: who's going to choke against rube Lev?

665
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: It's runa.

666
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's like all the tough guys on the

667
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: on the on the blacktop at recess. You're like, oh,

668
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: really you want to step to me, and yeah, let's

669
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: see what you got. Oh it's a bunch of eighty

670
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: seven mile an hour second serves. That's what we're getting.

671
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: Cool, all right, keep keep keep it up, big boy.

672
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: It reminds me of my best friend had a party

673
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: for her seven year old son once and the two

674
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: most bullying kids at the potty I I've never listened.

675
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: If you ever want to have you know, you have

676
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: a son, but he's like he's like my best friend's kid,

677
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: like really sensitive and really like adorable and very you know,

678
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: he's obviously has two moms. My friend's kid has two

679
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: older sisters. So you know, I think when you're around women,

680
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: you tend to respect them and act a little bit

681
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: better as opposed to So they had this seven year

682
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: old birthday party and it was literally, I swear to god,

683
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: it was like Lord of the friggin Flies. I couldn't

684
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: believe it. Like once they all get together, these boys,

685
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: they become little pricks and like even my friend's kid,

686
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: I was like, what happened to you? Was so sweet?

687
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: And he was like run around like a boy, like,

688
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, getting all in trouble. And the two kids

689
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: that were the biggest bulliers at that at his little

690
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: party that I was watching, you know, and watching all

691
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: the you know, all the little groups get together and

692
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: stuff happening, the two biggest little assholes. When it became

693
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: time to sleep over at night, they were they both

694
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: cried and wanted to go home. They wanted them picked

695
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: them up a little bit.

696
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: So funny was actually out of sleepover yesterday. And the

697
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: one kid who was trying to bully everybody is the

698
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: one kid who ended up crying. You're like, you know what,

699
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: that's always the case, Like who's who's the little bitch?

700
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: It's not the guy who's talking tough. It's going to

701
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 2: be the rube lev who's like actually tough, who's emotionally

702
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: mature and not gonna talk shit and then not be

703
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 2: able to back it up. So for me, the ROUBLEV

704
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: outcome was awesome. And I just want to say, I'm

705
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: so into this cohort of men's tennis players. We've kind

706
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: of gotten past the corporate Oh what a great, incredible

707
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: person you are, what you know, It's just I'm so.

708
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: Sick of that.

709
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: Like, let's just be real and be athletes and kind

710
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: of chippy.

711
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: I like that. I'm here for that.

712
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: I don't you know, don't be a jerk, don't take

713
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: it too far. But like we're competitors, let's compete.

714
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: I'd be afraid to say. I mean, listen, I don't

715
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: mind the chippiness, but you know, be a little bit

716
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: more self aware. I mean, like saz Vera to bitch

717
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: about Medvedev, Like now, I find Medvedev to be one

718
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: of the more sporting guys on too it. I mean, yes,

719
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: he carries on, carries on like a bit of an

720
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: idiot when he's bitching about the hard court not being

721
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: a hard court, and maybe he's trying to get into

722
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: the head of his opponent that way. But as far

723
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: as he's playing, the guy just plays, you know what

724
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean. And if he had to pee at four

725
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: three and the third he had to pee, I've never

726
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: seen him do that. I've never seen him go off

727
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: the court like he really Obviously he's.

728
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: Not famous for being a bathroom brick.

729
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Now no, no, he's not Stefano Sitzapas going off the

730
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: court for twenty minutes. But I just thought it was

731
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: so funny that zvere I've had his comments about that.

732
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, just like, admit your lost, like you choked, Okay,

733
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: this is the bottom line, Like get on with it, Paz,

734
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: and then and then Medvedev to come into the press

735
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: comments the next day, it'd be like, hold on, hold

736
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: on a second time out, let's go through the litany

737
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: of shit that's very ever's done. So I just think

738
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: it's hilarious and I'm here for it, and I love

739
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: the fact that Rublaf said in the end of his speech,

740
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: I want to thank you all for the support because

741
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: knowing where I'm from, I want to thank you for

742
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: the support all around the world. And it's because he's

743
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: been the one Russian player really that has written on

744
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: the cameras no war, I want peace, Like that's just

745
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: about as far as you can go, I think as

746
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: a Russian without having to worry about your family being

747
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: abducted and put away somewhere in Siberia. So you know,

748
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm super aware that these Russian and Bella Russian plays,

749
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: it's really hard for them to say something publicly because

750
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you just saw I don't know if

751
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: you saw this Russian journalist that said something about anti war.

752
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: He's been put in prison for twenty years in Russia.

753
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: This is what autocracies do. Like they're not fucking around

754
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: with journalists. And if you're an athlete who's an ambassador

755
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 2: and you're out in front of a bunch of cameras

756
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: and you say something like the Pung Shwai situation we

757
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: were just talking about, you are an enemy of the state.

758
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: You know, like these guys don't like dissent, and so

759
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: for me, yeah, Rubelev is so hard not to like.

760
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: And for him to have a big breakthrough at a

761
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: Master's one thousand like this after getting to a ton

762
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: of finals, going deep but a ton of these tournaments

763
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: and really being I think among this generation's like sort

764
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: of most exciting players. Like the way he hits his

765
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: forehand in particular, is so exciting. If you've never seen

766
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: the meme of him looking like a cat on the

767
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: internet yourself a favor and google that. I don't know

768
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: if you've seen it, it's hilarious. He looks like, I'm

769
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: gonna send us you over this podcast. It's incredible. So

770
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: for me, just really really great outcome, really great tournament.

771
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: And you know, I think for me, the clay season

772
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: being fully underway with both men's and women's, we should

773
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: shout out to Casper Rude who won the tournament in Portugal.

774
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: You know, there's just there's just a ton of really good,

775
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: exciting tennis.

776
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: Although I would like you to explain to me why

777
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: he's complaining about the fact that he doesn't get enough

778
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: publicity after he won that tournament in Portugal, but yet

779
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: it's basically the first time he's won more than two

780
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: matches at a tournament all year, and yet he wins

781
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: one tournament. He's like, you know, I just feel like

782
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't get enough coverage. I'm like, dude, you've played

783
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: like shit for six months.

784
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: That's why the thing I would say is, hey Ruble,

785
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: Hey Casper Rude.

786
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: We made an overture.

787
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: I came up with a nickname for you, and an

788
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: oatmeal company wanted to sponsor you. You want to show

789
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: that you're fun and able to like be in front

790
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: of camera and cool and taking a joke get at me.

791
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: Tell your agent.

792
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: He blew it like we're the offers still on the table,

793
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, Like are you no, of course not. An

794
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 2: oatmeal company came to me and said, hey, we saw

795
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: that you started calling casp Root oatmeal stallion.

796
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: Do you think he would do it? And I said

797
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: I don't.

798
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: Here's his agent's number, give him a call. And the

799
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: agent was like, oh, this guy just used too high

800
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: rank to consider something like this. And I was like,

801
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: making money from a cool idea? All right, cool, let

802
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: me know when you change your mind. So it's ironic

803
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: to hear somebody complaining about not having a high enough

804
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: profile if they're gonna not be cool or fun.

805
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 3: So listen, offers always at the table to be cool

806
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: and fun.

807
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: So the point of this is, Casper, it's actually not

808
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: the ATP that are causing you to have no public

809
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: persona and more exposure. It's actually your agent.

810
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: The call is coming from inside the house.

811
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Okay, So let's uh, you know,

812
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: Billy Jene King, Philly Jean King, that's a lot. Can

813
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: we just call it the BJK cup? Yes? Can we

814
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: just call it the King Cup? Anyway? The Billy Jean

815
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: King Cup was played last week. To all the players

816
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: that moved through. I just love to still see these

817
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: players like lose their friggin minds when they went a

818
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: match for their country. It's just the most fun thing.

819
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: I know how much it felt and how proud I

820
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: was to play for Australia and win big matches and

821
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: it's still so meaningful to the players. So it was

822
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: great to see all the outcomes last week. We'll get

823
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: to see them all in the finals coming up at

824
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: the end of the year. So congrats to all the

825
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: teams that moved through. We're talking about it.

826
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: It was USA mccoco, uh.

827
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Goola can and yeah that that that team. They

828
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: all moved They moved through, France moved through.

829
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: It was some It's going to be some pretty good, big,

830
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: big opinion games coming up in the next in the

831
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: next round.

832
00:39:53,000 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: Because Doesbarkina played for Kazakhstan got them through? Yeah, so yeah,

833
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: I need to listen in front of you.

834
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: But I imagine the Czech team is probably headed through.

835
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: Check team played against Ukraine. You have your computer, why

836
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: don't you look that up. We'll cut this out and

837
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: actually have an idea. But so yeah, Ukraine and the

838
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: Czechs played in Turkey because it was supposed to be

839
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: a home tie in Ukraine because the last time they

840
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: played was in the Czech Republic, and so whenever you

841
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: play the team that you play against, the next time

842
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: you play them in your country and then it flips

843
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: back to the other country. So this time they had

844
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: to play in a neutral zone. And then Barbara ka Jikova,

845
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: I want to give a big shout out to buy

846
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: who donated all her money from her play for the

847
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: Czech Republic against Ukraine to the earthquake victims, and I

848
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: believe to Ukraine's Ukrainians as well. So yeah, yeah, so

849
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, she's just, you know, she's just, she's a

850
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: person that gets the whole big picture as well. She

851
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about enough. She doesn't get enough publics solining.

852
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: You know what she's doing.

853
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: She's putting her money where her mouth is literally and

854
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: getting headlines for doing the right thing. So shout out

855
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: to barberberuk Kadjukova, Casparude take a page. Congratulations to the

856
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Czech team and the other team that's going on a spin.

857
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: So we have an incredible, incredible lineup for BJK Cup

858
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: in the next the next semis and finals, as we

859
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: should because there's just absolute incredible depth on every team

860
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: that we just talked about. All right, should we wrap

861
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: it up? Should I let you get back to your

862
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Speaker 2: Los Carbos vacation.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, we'll keep an eye on all the

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Speaker 1: things happening in the Porsche Stuttgart tournament, which is one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite was one of my favorite tournaments of

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Speaker 1: the year. Fabulous to see Egision take back playing indoors

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Speaker 1: on clay. We'll see where she stacks up. Now. I'm

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Speaker 1: going into her defense of the French Open. Clearly she's

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Speaker 1: going to be the favorite. We've got just fabulous women's

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Speaker 1: stories all around, and the men's is so open now

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Speaker 1: I love it. Obviously, we've got Alcarez what's going on

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Speaker 1: with his injuries. It's a real concern to me that

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Speaker 1: someone who's eaten his age is really struggling with that

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Speaker 1: week in and week out. But hopefully as he matures

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Speaker 1: and gets stronger in his body, like Runa. To be honest,

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Speaker 1: I think Runa maybe these cramps and situations will dissipate

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Speaker 1: as he gets older and stronger and understands how to

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Speaker 1: control his emotions a little bit and same with al Carez.

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Speaker 1: Like Alcirez as well, is so fied up all the

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Speaker 1: time that maybe that causes some tension in his body

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Speaker 1: and it's causing him to have injuries as well. But

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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully everyone's back at full force. Not what

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Speaker 1: is not happening is Raphael and Nadal playing. What the

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Speaker 1: fuck is happening with him? You know, his body is

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Speaker 1: not cooperating. This hip is going to be an ongoing issue.

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Speaker 1: And I mean at this present moment, he's not playing

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Speaker 1: any lead up times to the French Open, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I think if he plays Rome, that'll be a really

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Speaker 1: good sign for him. But the injuries there are very strange,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. With the men's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of injuries that are causing some disruptions with the women

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Speaker 1: that are all hopefully back strong and at their best

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Speaker 1: this week and next week. So I'm yeah, I'm super pumped.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to enjoy every second of my trip away,

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Speaker 1: but I will be keeping a good and close eye

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Speaker 1: on everything happening in the world of tennis with you,

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Speaker 1: my friend, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, until next time, enjoy the beach, enjoy the sand,

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Speaker 2: enjoy the food you have a Mexico and.

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Speaker 1: I will have plenty of mandar eatas and plenty of tequila,

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Speaker 1: and I will bring back a sweet bottle of tequila

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Speaker 1: back to the States because it's my favorite thing to

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Speaker 1: do when I'm here, by tequila at half price in

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Speaker 1: Mexico and then take it back to the States. So, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: great talking to you. Everybody else, thanks for listening to us.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry again about getting fired up about the WTA,

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Speaker 1: but it's a personal reminder of so many things that

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Speaker 1: are lacking when it comes to them, and I think

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Speaker 1: we just need to get it all better. Thanks everybody,

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Speaker 1: see you next week. Back mate.