WEBVTT - Part One: Louis Van Schur: The Deadliest Security Guard in History 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:08.360 Also media Ah, Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.040 podcast where I the host, Robert Evans, am pretty hungover 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.560 because last night I saw Twisters. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.520 Molly, Molly Conger our guest for today. Have you seen 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.800 Twisters or Twister? You know the classic film that it's 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:25.360 based on. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.960 I assume I've seen the original, you know in snippets 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.600 on T and T as a child. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.240 You wouldn't forget it. One of the great Phil Paxton. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.400 Roles So's Twisters Too is like the son of the original, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.120 The son is the original Twister, like just put they 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:41.960 just put an s on it, which is fine. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.519 It's a fine movie. There's not more tornadoes than there 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.040 were in Twister. But Twister, there's about four minutes of 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.800 Twister that isn't actively a tornado like that movie really 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.800 gives you a lot of twisters, and so does Twisters. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.760 But it's the son of the original Torneo trying to 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:00.480 reckon with his father's Well. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.120 That's one of the through lines with both movies is 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.880 that all of both the main character in a Twister 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.520 movie has always lost loved ones to a tornado and 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.000 is trying to fight the tornado for revenge. And in 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.600 this one. They develop a way to kill tornadoes, and 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.760 so that's that's what they're trying to do, is murder 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.000 a tornado and vengeance because she lost all of her 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.160 friends to a tornado. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:23.960 It was It's great. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.000 It was described to me by a friend who saw 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:31.120 it as Glenn Powell in a very long Wrangler jeans ad. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.400 Oh he is, so you know how you know, Molly, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.000 how like some some of those Alex Jones freaks believe 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.720 in like race specific bioweapons, like they made a disease 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.840 that only targets white people or can't hurt Jews or whatever. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.800 Right, Twister, this time is personal. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.320 The guy in Twister, his jeans are like they were 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.000 DNA coded for him, Like you couldn't get a fit 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:57.320 of jeans that tight unless they were literally grown around 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:57.920 your body. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.640 Wasn't that Wasn't that a thing for a while, where 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.920 like the denim guys were like wearing their jeans in 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.400 the bathtub and letting them dry to their body. I mean, 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:08.160 I don't. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.240 I don't feel like that's the thing anyone would do 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:11.480 on a regular basis. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:13.560 No, it was like you know, the guys who like 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.720 blogged about you know, they didn't wash their jeans. They 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.240 put them in a freezer instead. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.080 I don't understand jeans, guys. I never liked jeans. But 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.480 this movie's great. It's got a really good truck. They're 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.600 all ram trucks, unfortunately, but one of the trucks is 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.680 really good. It shoots fireworks at the tornadoes, which winds 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.119 up being a critical part of fighting the tornadoes. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.480 Well, how else would you get whatever you put it 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.639 in the tornado tornado? Yeah, I mean, I guess you 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.560 could feed it to a cow. I know the Twister 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:40.520 likes to eat cows. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.600 They only feed things to the tornado in the way 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.480 that is the most dangerous they could possibly do. Although 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.800 one of the other through lines in the Twister universe 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.200 is that automotive glasses invulnerable, cannot be harmed. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:53.720 You are cyber trucks. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.000 It's great stuff, great movie. What's different about them is 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.359 the first movie is like Oklahoma porn, and that you're 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:07.240 watching Oklahoma be destroyed, and that's great because it's a terrible. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.440 Place people like you especially Yeah, yeah. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.600 Yeah, yeah, this one. It's like Oklahoma porn. But they 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.840 love Oklahoma, although they do they do have the tornado 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.560 attack a rodeo which is a great seat. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.799 I hope Party Bus the Rodeo Bowl was safe. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.600 I think the well No, actually, the bulls get sucked up. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.679 A lot of things get sucked into tornadoes in this movie. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.840 There's a high body count. It's great, good movie. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:35.880 I enjoyed it. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.360 I got very drunk and now my head hurts. How 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:39.920 are you, Molly? 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.000 Oh, I'm doing great today. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.800 Robert, would you buy the Glen Powell jeans? 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.600 No, because those jeans would clearly only fit Glenn Powell. 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:52.280 Yeah. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.920 Oh, and you're at a phase of your life now 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.120 where comfortable pants are an affordable luxury. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.560 I like to think Glenn Powell's either three D printed, 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.119 made from AI or the ink might have just run 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:04.760 out a little bit. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.880 I'm googling Glenn Powell. I don't know what. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.119 He's one of those guys who's handsome in a way 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.840 that like I can't like, there's nothing about him that 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.760 I can say is like not good looking, but also 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.840 it's off. It's upsetting, kind of like Anthony Starr from 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.280 the Boys, which which works for the role that he's playing. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.479 There's just something a little bit uncomfortable about how good 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.440 looking he is, and Glenn Powell he's like he's got 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.719 like resting family annihilator face, one of those guys who 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.320 there's a terrible crime lingering inside you somewhere. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.039 Yeah, did this man exist before? If never? He doesn't 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.200 look familiar to me at all. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.119 He's I don't know if I'd seen him in anything 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:43.880 before Twisters. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.000 I always he has kids three d No, He's been 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.560 everywhere for like the last year. It's been very big 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.320 in my group chat. We've been talking about why why 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.920 this man is being forced upon all of us? And 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.159 now he's reached you, Robert, he's getting to me. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.479 I gotta say, honestly, downgrade from Bill Paxton. But what 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.159 isn't a downgrade from Bill Paxton? That man had a 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.279 great face? Oh Bill? 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.760 And now and now that is the cold open, cold 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:13.360 open has done. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.360 That's is it done? 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:22.080 Oh shit, Molly, today we're talking about apartheid. Oh and 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:28.000 we're back apartheid. I hardly know, Tiede. That doesn't the 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.840 joke doesn't work that way. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.119 It worked in writing speaking. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.800 I really work in writing because is not a thing 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.440 you know, or a name or anything like that. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:41.400 Molly. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.440 This is not just about apartheid, right, I mean, it's 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.400 set during apartheid. I'm not just going to do an 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.080 apartheid episode because I don't know if that just doesn't 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.400 feel like the behind the bastard's way to do this part. 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.320 I didn't have a childhood we can examine. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.560 Uh yeah, well arguable. But you know, you have your 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.479 new pot cast Weird Little Guys coming out where you 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.400 talk about all of the weird little guys trying to 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.400 ruin life for everybody else, these crazy little Nazis who 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.080 become mass shooters and terrorists and commit all sorts of 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.719 wacky crimes and also are like always into bizarre shit. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.039 Besides that kind of stuff, it. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.480 Turns out they're usually perverts. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.080 Yeah, they're usually some usually sex crimes, usually some sort 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:22.880 of pervert shit. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.280 The first couple of groups I've written, I'm like, I 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.240 did not choose a trio of child sex perverts on purpose. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.440 It's just always there. Yeah, it's the you. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.560 Get, like Twitter and stuff loves to make fun of 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.719 like middle aged kinks who are like really into whatever 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.640 their weird kink is. But like, I do think that 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.599 being able to talk about it in a way that 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.560 is cringe worthy to ninety percent of the population probably 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.839 helped stop you from I don't know, like setting off 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.520 a bomb in a post office, Like you need to 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.840 do something with that pervert energy that's not just perversion, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:59.520 otherwise it can curdle. Now, we don't know what perversion 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.240 the object of our episode for this week has, but 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.960 this is we are going to talk Molly about a 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.560 weird little guy and this is appropriate, a weird little 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.320 guy of apartheid. And this guy is appropriate both because 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.760 of your show and because the like on the week 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.480 we record this. One of the big news stories is 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.960 that a right wing paramilitary mob supported by members of 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.880 the Kanesset has laid siege to an IDF base in 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.600 Israel and defensive soldiers who carried out gang rape and 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.480 torture on Palestinian prisoners. You know, the gist of the story, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.600 not that this is a story you should just get 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.800 the gist of You should read some reporting on it. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.320 But the gist of it is they won. Those guys 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.120 got released, and that's pretty bad. There was some talk 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.520 that like is Israel heading down the road of a 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.800 civil conflict, but they just caved on. It's totally fine 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.240 if our guys like the kind of shit they were 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.800 doing to some of these captives. Was like, there was 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.960 a debate in the Kannesset about it, and one lawmaker 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.240 was like, is it legitimate to shove a stick into 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.720 someone's rectum? And another parliamentarian was like, yeah, if he's 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.400 a Hammas militant, everything is legitimate. And it's disagree. I 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.160 disagree with that if they are Hamas militants, but they're 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.200 they're usually not like you're just picking people up off 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.240 the street, you know, we know that in a lot 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.480 of these cases, it's a lot of people who are 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.200 getting grabbed for absolutely no reason, which is always, by 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.280 the way, always the case when a government is grabbing 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.760 a bunch of terrorists and torturing them. It's always some dudes, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.480 you know, and ladies and whatever kids, But it's it's 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.600 usually not the scary thing they say. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.720 It is they found a way to make prison break uncool. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.280 Like normally a mob storming a prison would be no 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.000 storming prisons. Yeah, not this, but really, they really wrecked it. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:43.920 They really wrecked it. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.800 Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like how a lot of 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.640 people are hating the Olympics, which normally I'm in favor of, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.960 but they're doing it for all of the weird, crazy 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.840 gross reasons like, no, no, you don't hate the Olympics 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.199 for that, not because some lady want a boxing match. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.960 You hate the Olympics for all of the good reasons 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.400 to hate the Olympics, not because. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.080 It's you know, satanic grooming of your children. What comes 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:04.400 of it? 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.760 You were ruining the things that I have been hating 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.400 long before you did. Anyway, it's bad to torture people. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.600 There's no justification for what we're seeing in Israel now, 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.640 which is you know, I think a dark turn. This 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.720 stuff has been going on for a while. The reporting 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.760 on the torture at that base had come out through 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.560 like New York Times had done a story on it, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:27.640 as well as some like local Israeli papers, So it's 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.640 been like pretty heavily reported. And this kind of thing, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.600 it's the inevitable result of building an apartheid state, right. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.839 You saw a lot of shit like this in South 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.760 Africa because you had these chunk of the population who 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.600 were you know, terrorists carrying out what they saw was 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.960 liberatory acts of terrorism. You know, Nelson Mandela like was 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.679 a terrorist, right, Like That's that's the reality of the situation. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:57.000 And whenever you have that the apartheid state is going 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.880 to respond by demonizing the chunk of the population that 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.680 those terrorists come out of and doing horrible, horrible things 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.240 to them, including generally horrific acts of police violence. Right. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.440 The police are kind of going to be oftentimes your 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.640 kind of ground level enforcers of the very worst parts 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.880 of this society. And that's true everywhere you know, stuff 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.760 like this happens. We could talk and we have talked 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.200 in the past about the use of dogs against black 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.080 detainees by US police during the Jim Crow era, right, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.160 And obviously aspects of that continue on for today, but 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:33.480 a lot of how dogs were used to do violence 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.360 to black people, particularly during the Civil rights era, is 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.600 directly relevant to stuff that happened in apartheid South Africa. Right. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.240 Every single time you have kind of any sort of 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.280 apartheid regime being held in place, and it's always held 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.800 in place by police, there's always really really fucked up 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:51.720 dog stories. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:52.120 Right. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.959 It happens every single time, and it's actually going to 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.640 happen in this story because the subject of our episodes 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.240 is a he's a guy who winds up as a 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:06.480 security guard. He's probably a serial killer. It's probably fair 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.760 to call him a serial killer. He's definitely a serial murderer. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.520 And he was also a dog cop and apartheid South Africa. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.480 His name, Oh yeah, no yet we are we'll be 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.600 talking about and of all the dog cops South African 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.120 apartheid era dog cops might be the worst dog cops. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:31.680 These guys pretty ugly stuff. His name was Lewis ben Shore. Now, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.880 because this isn't apartheid episode, it is going to be 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.000 bleak as all hell, and because this is an episode 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:40.160 about South Africa, thankfully, it will also involve ridiculous names. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.960 So we do have that coming for us, right, Molly. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.640 I will promise you some very silly names. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.000 And we can pronounce the Dutch as badly as we want. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:49.520 We're not going to do well, We're not going to. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.840 This first name might got our bad Guy's full name 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:58.640 was cybrind Jacobus loudwick Us van Schure, which and. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.600 We're not looking up how to actually pronounce that. Well, no, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:03.040 we're not. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.120 He doesn't deserve it, although I will tell you load 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.280 Wickus is where we get the Lewis, which I guess 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.040 makes sense, like if I knew a load Wickss, I 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.240 would probably call him Lewis, because that's that's a that's 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.360 quite a name to have to say. Although I do 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.560 think I'm getting the wickest part right, just because I 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.040 watched the movie District nine in preparation for this, you know, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.600 which really really reminded me how much CGI has aged 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.400 in the last what has it been twenty years? Anyway, 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.400 cybri and Jacobus Loadwikes fan sure was born at some 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.040 point in nineteen fifty one in South Africa. This is 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.480 one of those guys where we really don't know a 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.960 whole lot about his childhood given where he lived much 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.800 of his life. He may have been born in East London, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:50.080 which is a city, not a part of London, because 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.360 South Africa. You know, when British people had their time 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.160 running South Africa, they just kind of named a bunch 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.560 of shit after places they had left behind because it 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.480 was too well and dreary, which is what they did 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.400 to a lot of the world's. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:03.719 Bringing a little bit of. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.800 Home, Yeah, bringing a little bit of home along with 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.080 your terrible cuisine. Now, I hope most listeners are at 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.480 least broadly familiar with the concept of apartheid in South Africa, 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:18.280 which literally means separateness in Afrikaans what became South Africa. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.920 The country started as a colony of the Dutch East 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.320 India Company in the seventeenth century. The mission initially was 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.120 purely capitalist in the most mercenary sense imaginable. The most 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.800 notable early official was a guy named Jan von Reibek, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.000 who arrived in sixteen fifty two to set up a 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.920 refreshment station for passing cargo ships. His job was to 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.080 make money delivering as much quality agricultural product into the 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.280 holds of company ships as possible, but greed led the 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.160 company to take more and more good farmland, which pissed 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.240 off the people who had been living there for you know, 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.920 a long time and didn't care much for the fact 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.040 that all these white people were now saying, you can't 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.200 walk around here, you can't hunt here, you know, like 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.480 you can't like we've got this now, we need it 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.120 for our boats to take away. So they launch raids 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.280 on company farms and there's some small battles between guards 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.680 and local warriors. Much of the violence is centered around 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.200 or in response to, cattle raids by the indigenous Kokoy people. 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.600 Van Rybeck felt like the problem could be solved by 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.280 making it more of a pain in the ass for 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.920 the Kokoi to access their ancestral lands. So in sixteen 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.280 fifty nine he had his forces start to build a 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:30.360 giant fence. As is always the case, whenever you build 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.040 a fence with guard towers, you're gonna do some fucked 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.960 up shit, right, Like, no story that started with let's 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.480 build a giant fence ever ended very well, and this 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.880 fence is no different from that. Since fences are hard 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:44.800 to build, he listed the aid of Mother nature and 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.800 planted a huge hedge of wild almond trees and thorny 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.960 scrubs across sections. He didn't want to bother using work. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.280 Gangs on what is he maleficent like building a big 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:54.520 thorny hedge. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.560 It's a very Disney racism fence that Yan is created here. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.200 I mean, I guess that's eco friendly, right? Was he 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.120 using species? Yeah? 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.400 You can't fault him for being green. I will say 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:13.480 that he at least is an environmentally friendly architect of 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.680 the earliest stages of the apartheid system. As an article 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.680 on the hedge fence by Zobeta Jaffer notes, quote, for many, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.720 this hedge marks the first step on the road to 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.480 apartheid and symbolizes how white South Africa cut itself off 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.480 from the rest of Africa, dispossessed the indigenous people, and 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.600 kept the best of the resources for itself. Now, Dutch 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.880 colonial possessions didn't stay limited to the land they'd taken 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.240 in Van Reibeck's era, and over the next century and 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.240 a half, white colonizers, who came to call themselves Boers, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.040 moved towards the interior. They eventually collided with a migration 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.160 of Bantu people, and great violence proceeded from their clash 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.520 that ensued. For you know, they had a war. They 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.200 had wars and stuff alast for the Boers and for 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.200 everyone else. Really, the British were also really interested in 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.080 having some of this land and will to deploy better, 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.240 more competent violence to do it. They took the Cape 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.080 Colony in seventeen ninety five, abolished Dutch as the language 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.880 of administration because fuck you guys, that's why. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:11.760 And by the. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.800 End of the eighteen hundreds, you know, things are sailing 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.400 along well. The British empires giant. They got a whole 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.520 bunch of South Africa. Everybody's happy, except for nobody is 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:25.240 actually very happy. Now I should note that while the British, 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.400 there's some things you can say that they like improve 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.520 race wise during the time they're in charge of South Africa. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.400 For you know, for instance, they end slavery right like 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.240 within the British Empire, which includes this, slavery becomes legal 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.280 in the mid eighteen hundreds. But they also pass some 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.680 of the first race laws, like a lot of the 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.640 laws that become the undergirding legal parts of the apartheid 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.400 system start as British colonial laws. So it's a mix 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.760 of things. The whole story is bigger than we're going 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.160 to get to in this episode, but this paragraph from 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.960 journalist Heidi Holland's book The Color of Murder does a 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.240 decent job of setting up the next few moves. Around 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.480 eighteen thirty eight, clinging to a dream of racial exclusivity, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.000 but leaving behind their homes in the fields they had cultivated, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.720 the Afrikaaners set out to escape the British by migrating 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.399 northwards across the Drakensburg Mountains into Natal and over the 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.639 Orange River into the Transvall the great tracks some bloody 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.600 nineteenth century battles with Zulu warriors and their defeat in 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.880 the war with the British seventy years later helped create 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.680 a fierce nationalism among the Afrikaaners. The concentration camps of 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.360 the Anglo Boer War, in which men, women and children 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.320 perished at the hands of the British, left Afrikaaners a 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.520 profoundly defeated tribe with a defensive psyche that was to 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:40.199 have disastrous repercussions in later years. Now, we've talked in 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.320 this podcast about how one of the first modern concentration 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.960 camps was set up by the British during the Boer 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.400 War and they were in turning, they turned black South 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.240 Africans and Boers, right, and they killed a significant chunk 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.880 of the Boer population through these camps, Like these were 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.560 really terrible places, thought until they read Heidi's book about 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.280 how that chapter played into the apartheid government. Right, it 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.240 makes sense when you think about these sense the fact 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.879 that any reading you do of like white culture in 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.600 South Africa during apartheid, there's this constant sense of life 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.679 under siege and this constant sense of aggrievement. Right, we 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.360 are owed something that we don't have. We are owed domination. Right, 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.720 we are owed almost this vengeance because of the things 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.520 that have been done to us. Right, the sense of 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:35.560 persecution is a major fueling factor for apartheid, Right, Like 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.560 the fact that the British kicked the shit out of 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.679 them is a big part of why they're going to 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.400 be so shitty for so long. Right, it has a 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.280 it's that kind of like I have now been bullied 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.320 and I am going to go find someone weaker to 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.680 bully the helly the hell out of right, Like, that's 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.440 a big part of the actual psyche of apartheid. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.640 It just seems like they should have taken that beef 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.359 with the British back home, like go do that in 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:58.639 the English channel or something. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.960 You go fuck up the bread, Like, come on, guys, 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.320 you know, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna throw it 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.320 out here. Take Manchester. You probably take Manchester. They don't 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.199 have that many guns anymore. I bet you guys have 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.520 more guns. Go take Manchester. You know, nobody's gonna complain. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.760 If somebody is like, hey, you want to come to 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.440 a free Manchester from the Bower's rally, I'm going to 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:19.679 say no, let them have it. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.680 I'm fine with that. That just doesn't sound like my business. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.080 Yeah, it's not my business. So something happens to Manchester. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.159 Some what are they called menkunions, They're going to be 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:30.359 really Matt Robert, Oh. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:31.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, there's gonna be a lot of 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:36.200 Mancoonian terrorism in Johannesburg. But that's not my problem either. Now, 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.800 British victory in the Boer War came not long before 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.159 the outbreak of World War One, and if you know 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.520 your colonial history, you know that the British Empire didn't 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.200 have a long healthy life after at that point. Right, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.720 South Africa becomes independent pretty early. It's the same status 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.360 Canada has obviously as Americans. It's Molly and i'ed divine 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.600 right to not know how the Canadian government actually works. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.400 So I don't actually know if the British have any 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.240 power in Canada anymore. I don't think so. I'm pretty 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.679 sure you guys are have your training wheels off, but 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:07.200