Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, and welcome to Mini Crush Monday with Charles W.
Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and Noel Brown. What does who I mean? Chuck?
Speaker 1: Is that a military thing? Like? When who are? Is
Speaker 1: that just like an al pacino thing? Well? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it can be military and nature. I know that.
Speaker 1: I thinking marines might have said it. That's what I find.
Speaker 1: Maybe a marine thing. But you know, my brother in
Speaker 1: law is a very high ranking marine, Noel, he is
Speaker 1: one of us. Would you consider him elite? Was he
Speaker 1: an elite marine? He is? He's one of eighteen three
Speaker 1: star generals in the Marine Corps. And uh, that's you know,
Speaker 1: he's almost at the tippy top. And then it goes
Speaker 1: and I looked this up recently. That's why I'm I
Speaker 1: know these stats because we were like, jeez, I wonder
Speaker 1: if he's going to make it to four star and
Speaker 1: be at the very tippy top. And we're like, surely
Speaker 1: he will. But eighteen make three star, three make four star,
Speaker 1: so fifteen super tippy top marines get told no. So
Speaker 1: you never know no, So you like you what you say?
Speaker 1: I want to be a forester to apply or or
Speaker 1: do someone just like awarded to you based on It's
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's weird. It's like any other job
Speaker 1: management system, like you get promotions and raises based on
Speaker 1: tenure and uh, I mean in that way, it's like
Speaker 1: any job. But yeah, he you will. I think eventually
Speaker 1: you will be up for that promotion like under consideration,
Speaker 1: and then you either get it or you don't, and
Speaker 1: you progress in your career or you don't. Interesting. It
Speaker 1: is interesting. But he's been my and my family since
Speaker 1: I was a little ten or eleven years old, so
Speaker 1: you know, I started dating my sister in high school,
Speaker 1: so he's like my brother. But anyway, the reason I
Speaker 1: say that is I know that er it was a
Speaker 1: Marine Corps thing, not even the Hua it went down
Speaker 1: to er. Okay, it's just sound and a noise thing
Speaker 1: they make. I don't know what it means. And there's
Speaker 1: there's probably former Marines out there listening and laughing at
Speaker 1: me right now because right in, I don't know how
Speaker 1: Pacino comes into it except for that movie. Well that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I just think of it in his voice.
Speaker 1: It was that sent of a woman. Yeah, I never
Speaker 1: saw that believe it or not. It's fine. Did they
Speaker 1: do the voice? You do a decent machino, right, he
Speaker 1: got a great that's a good one. You know, people
Speaker 1: really got to kick out of our herd zg Christoft
Speaker 1: Waltz and that we had Christoph Walts is on point.
Speaker 1: My dude, I'm serious. I was blown away. I was
Speaker 1: not expecting. I want them to do a buddy movie
Speaker 1: together all of a sudden. That's a great idea. You know.
Speaker 1: It's a great idea because they both have those kind
Speaker 1: of fun accents. But one is, you know, Christoph Waltz
Speaker 1: is so jaunpty and then you've got Hertzog, which is
Speaker 1: just so dire. I don't know who that was, say
Speaker 1: so dire, so die. Yeah, I think it would be
Speaker 1: a fun combination. Put them in a buddy yeah, a
Speaker 1: road movie. Yeah, I think that makes sense because, you know,
Speaker 1: because Christoph Walts is sort of the more upbeat nihilist,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh and and her is the really
Speaker 1: like in the fucking Weeds nihilist, you know. But between
Speaker 1: the yeah, well, because Christoph Walts would be like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, we could just kill them all, and Vernon
Speaker 1: Hurtzog would be like it is inevitable. Yeah, exactly. All right,
Speaker 1: now this is this is a themed episode? I thought
Speaker 1: I dropped this on you. Do you have a guess?
Speaker 1: Oh god, a themed episode? No? Is it? Is it
Speaker 1: date related? Seasonal? It's nothing related to anything? How could
Speaker 1: I how could I possibly guess? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just thought you might pay attention and see what's going
Speaker 1: on the movie crush page. Oh I see, I see,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I scroll. I gotta say I don't
Speaker 1: do Facebook nearly as much as I used to. Instagram
Speaker 1: is good, but uh no, this is a tribute to
Speaker 1: the movie trailer. I love a movie trailer. Maybe Mike
Speaker 1: can put together some special music and drop it right here.
Speaker 1: I would be fabulous. Mike, you did a great job
Speaker 1: in advance. All right, how about that there was the music?
Speaker 1: Uh Mike. By the way, everyone, we need to welcome Mike.
Speaker 1: I don't even think I've mentioned on the show yet.
Speaker 1: We have a new producer. I'm just getting shuttled around
Speaker 1: the company like stop yesterday's garbage datted around like a
Speaker 1: ball of string once and now. But welcome Mike. Mike's
Speaker 1: doing a great job, and uh, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: meet Mike in person. Mike is a lovely guy, really
Speaker 1: talented musician, great producer, fabulous NPR background, and uh he
Speaker 1: joined my team recently, um, working on some other stuff,
Speaker 1: and so it made sense to bring him into this show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used you know, now that I saw the picture
Speaker 1: of him, I was like, Oh, that's Mike. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing Mike around the office. Mike also is one of
Speaker 1: the founders of an incredible Atlanta based literary event, long
Speaker 1: running literary event with another guy named Nick Takowski, who
Speaker 1: is a talented writer who has written podcast stuff for
Speaker 1: US UM for the show Tomorrow's Monsters starring John Boyega
Speaker 1: drop um. But Mike and Nick started this thing called
Speaker 1: Right Club, UM like fight Club, but right where it's
Speaker 1: like a pub literary slam kind of event where to
Speaker 1: writers kind of go up and do pieces, you know,
Speaker 1: one after the other with a timer, UM and Mike
Speaker 1: and Nick often m see them and they're very clever
Speaker 1: and keep it moving. And then with audience applause, you
Speaker 1: determine who wins, and then there's like a brackety situation
Speaker 1: where the winner of that one goes up against the
Speaker 1: winner of the other winner. Uh. And there's so much
Speaker 1: fun and really really really talented writer and lovely person.
Speaker 1: That's welcome and all. You know, we should plug Tomorrow's
Speaker 1: Monsters too, because that is former guest Dan Bush uh
Speaker 1: and once it will be future guest again. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have Dan back. But Dan did a scripted fiction uh
Speaker 1: series for us called Tomorrow's Monsters starring John Boyega, which
Speaker 1: which was a great get and I believe that thing.
Speaker 1: They're already trying to get that thing option for for
Speaker 1: TV or film, right absolutely, that's amazing, so cool. Way
Speaker 1: to go, Dan, give it a shot. Everybody is that
Speaker 1: three three D audio or is it just reg it's
Speaker 1: just regular? Okay, all right, nol So let's get it
Speaker 1: go in here. Uh. The first thing I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: is give a brief overview of movie trailers and what
Speaker 1: they are in their history, and on movie Crush, I
Speaker 1: get to do what I don't get to do on
Speaker 1: stuff you should know, which is basically just do the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia thing. We've never done that on stuff you should know,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's still the only thing that bugs
Speaker 1: me about our reviews. And I don't really don't care
Speaker 1: about reviews at this point, and I never really did.
Speaker 1: But when I see reviews that say two goods just
Speaker 1: fucking read Wikipedia pages, that burns me up because we've
Speaker 1: never used Wikipedia, not even as a source, much less
Speaker 1: just reading the page. At least, no on your reviews
Speaker 1: calling you a cock. So you called a cook just
Speaker 1: because of the conspiracy thing. There's just so many people
Speaker 1: that are just like, it's an interesting crowd, so it
Speaker 1: rubs you. The rubs people the wrong way when we
Speaker 1: even get remotely political about anything. But it's like, in
Speaker 1: this day and age, how can you not somewhat talk
Speaker 1: about these kinds of you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: we sort of we pissed some people off. But I
Speaker 1: want to know why is it called a trailer? I
Speaker 1: hope you got I know you'll get there, chuck out.
Speaker 1: It's the first thing out of is uh. They used
Speaker 1: to be shown after the movie. They used to trail
Speaker 1: the movie, and that's why they were called trailers right there.
Speaker 1: But they learned pretty quickly that no one gave a
Speaker 1: ship and didn't stick around, and so they said maybe
Speaker 1: we should frontload these things. And so then you know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, they used to have uh, cartoons
Speaker 1: and newsreels and stuff like that before movies, and that
Speaker 1: was all a part of it. So they just started
Speaker 1: including the trailer at the front loaded bit of the movie,
Speaker 1: which is of course what they still do today. It
Speaker 1: says here that the very first trailer was in November
Speaker 1: nine when an advertising manager for the low theater chain,
Speaker 1: Marcus Lowe, produced a short promotional film for the movie
Speaker 1: The Pleasure Seekers. So the very first I think it
Speaker 1: was on Broadway, but the very first movie trailer was
Speaker 1: The Pleasure Seekers. So if anyone ever asked you a
Speaker 1: triviae question, you can keep that in your hip pocket.
Speaker 1: Was that about a bunch of sex addicts? Uh? Doubt it? Okay,
Speaker 1: not in uh. And it says here that they called
Speaker 1: it in the newspaper The Nebraska Daily Star. They called
Speaker 1: it an entirely new and unique stunt, and that moving
Speaker 1: pictures of the rehearsals and other incidents connected with the
Speaker 1: production will be sent out in advance of the show,
Speaker 1: to be presented at Loews Picture Houses and will take
Speaker 1: the place of much of the billboard advertising. So that
Speaker 1: this they thought they were going to do away with billboards,
Speaker 1: which they of course did not do. You don't see
Speaker 1: him a lot outside of Los Angeles a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: occasionally it's but you're right, it is very l a
Speaker 1: centric thing and and largely seeming to be like almost
Speaker 1: industry facing, you know, or for like awards season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely there's some ego involved to have your movie
Speaker 1: on the big billboard there on the sunset strip. Now,
Speaker 1: now that's that's not to say that New York is
Speaker 1: another big one. First with subway ads. You know, you
Speaker 1: see him in subways a lot in New York. True,
Speaker 1: that is very true. Uh. It also says until the
Speaker 1: late nineteen fifties, UM trailers were mostly uh done by
Speaker 1: the National Screen Service, and it basically just pulled out
Speaker 1: some some key scenes with big large text with music.
Speaker 1: Like those early trailers were a little bit rough. If
Speaker 1: you see those old trailers. In the sixties, they got
Speaker 1: a little bit different because they got rid of the
Speaker 1: text and started doing these montages instead of just like
Speaker 1: a scene from a movie, and started editing these things together.
Speaker 1: And this basically the sixties was when we saw the
Speaker 1: birth of what we kind of know as the movie
Speaker 1: trailer today. Uh. In ninety three they started showing them online.
Speaker 1: I remember in the early days of the internet, going
Speaker 1: to Apple movie trailers every week to watch those movie
Speaker 1: trailers because I loved because that was a good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that sort of fell by the wayside a little
Speaker 1: bit didn't now sort of because YouTube came along, I
Speaker 1: think and kind of just took over because if you
Speaker 1: want to watch any movie trailer, you can just type
Speaker 1: it into YouTube. But I used to love going to
Speaker 1: Apple movie trailers. That was a regular thing for me.
Speaker 1: I guess I'd just see him pop up shared, you know,
Speaker 1: and like Instagram stories are like Facebook post, people just
Speaker 1: like share it when any trailer comes out. But I
Speaker 1: don't go like trolling form every week. But that was
Speaker 1: a nice little ritual. I did the same thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: There are dozens of companies down the United States that
Speaker 1: make movie trailers, course based in New York and l
Speaker 1: A mainly, and uh, there's sort of like many ad
Speaker 1: agencies as almost, and a lot of times they're working
Speaker 1: from the the dailies, like they're they're cutting these things
Speaker 1: together before the movie is even finished. So that's why
Speaker 1: sometimes you will see scenes and bits that don't make
Speaker 1: it into the final film they're in the trailer, which
Speaker 1: can be confusing. Yeah, I mean, it really is an art,
Speaker 1: and nothing worse than I mean, I'm sure there's you know,
Speaker 1: people say this all the time, there's nothing worse than
Speaker 1: a movie trailer that like spoils the movie, um, which
Speaker 1: which can happen? I don't know. That's why I say
Speaker 1: there's an art. I think there's like and there's also
Speaker 1: like there's the long form trailer, and there's like the
Speaker 1: teaser trailer, which is you're going to get into. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I like a good teaser. Uh. And you know, some
Speaker 1: times they can use that to their advantage and all
Speaker 1: they can they can true, if you have like one
Speaker 1: person in your movie that's a big star that's in
Speaker 1: like one scene, they might play that up a lot
Speaker 1: more and then you'll get in there and be like,
Speaker 1: they're not even in the movie. So uh, you know.
Speaker 1: Now it's a part of the fabric of going to
Speaker 1: a movie. There's like twenty minutes of that stuff. And
Speaker 1: in the big, big movies and now nol as you know,
Speaker 1: for the big, big, highly anticipated trailers, some people might
Speaker 1: even buy a ticket to a movie just to see
Speaker 1: that trailer, like the New Star Wars trailer or whatever,
Speaker 1: because they know it's going to be front loaded at
Speaker 1: the beginning of whatever big Tin Bowl movie is out.
Speaker 1: That's right, And that's usually like the exclusive where you
Speaker 1: see it there in the theater for the first time
Speaker 1: before even they like put it on TV or something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, which is really interesting. I mean the
Speaker 1: notion of someone buying a ticket to a movie just
Speaker 1: to see that trailer. I mean, I would think they
Speaker 1: would stay for the movie, but you never know, people
Speaker 1: might even leave Noel, which is very strange. Hmm yep,
Speaker 1: that's very weird. But I had a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: I posted the movie Crushers on the trailer Front and
Speaker 1: they really got into it. The first one is very simple, Noll,
Speaker 1: what is one movie trailer that you will never forget seeing?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness Blair Blair, Which is a good one
Speaker 1: for me because and we've talked about the great viral
Speaker 1: campaign they did leading up to that movie. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that movie trailer because it just uh enthralled me
Speaker 1: because I was tricked. I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's a real is it not? So? I remember, like
Speaker 1: even the night that I saw that trailer, do you
Speaker 1: have one? I can't think of a trailer like that
Speaker 1: that that that really blew blew me out of the water.
Speaker 1: I mean I wish I could. I'm gonna think about
Speaker 1: it as I hear some more from from the from
Speaker 1: the Crushers. I'm sure some of these will will trigger
Speaker 1: you in a good way. Joe bomb Gardner says Jurassic
Speaker 1: Park an adventure sixty million years in the a King.
Speaker 1: He says he was fresh off reading the book as
Speaker 1: a young teen and seeing the ripples in the water
Speaker 1: glass blew my mind. I was gonna say that one actually,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't remember what about it was memorable to me,
Speaker 1: But that is I definitely distinctly remember that part in
Speaker 1: the trailer. You know how they did that water glass trick.
Speaker 1: I think most people know this by now, I don't
Speaker 1: tell me. Well, they wanted the perfect center out ripple,
Speaker 1: as if it's coming from the center, and they they
Speaker 1: had a guitar string at the bottom of that glass,
Speaker 1: and they were plucking a guitar string. When you say
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the glass, you mean some kind
Speaker 1: of like like vibrating through the surface that it was, well,
Speaker 1: I think they strung it through the bottom of the glass.
Speaker 1: You know, they got they built a special glass with
Speaker 1: a guitar string through the bottom of the glass as
Speaker 1: if it was you know, strung guitar. I see like vertically,
Speaker 1: not horizontally vertical, like like attached on the top and
Speaker 1: then pulled taught from the bottom and plucked. And then
Speaker 1: it makes sense because that's exactly that makes I did
Speaker 1: not know that, chuck, And that's fascinating that that that
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the fact would do. I think. I
Speaker 1: think that's right. This is all from memory. So if
Speaker 1: I got it wrong, I'm sorry. But that's really cool.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. And it also makes you think like
Speaker 1: if they experimented with different string gages and like, because
Speaker 1: you know, they really wanted the perfect thing for that
Speaker 1: shot because it was such an iconic shot. Um. Linda Baccaleo,
Speaker 1: one of our friends, says, easy, thank you for asking
Speaker 1: the Watchmen before one of the Batman movies, Deep Cut
Speaker 1: Smashing Pumpkin Song is the music definitely helped because as
Speaker 1: soon as that came on, all of my senses perked
Speaker 1: up and I became immediately entranced with the entire thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, especially if you're a Watchman fan, to see
Speaker 1: that come to life. I remember that trailer it was.
Speaker 1: It was a big deal. Yeah it was. It was
Speaker 1: Eric as Sims says, Lord of the Rings. My sixteen
Speaker 1: year old brain was very ready to nerd out on
Speaker 1: a well made version of a well of book series. Uh. Also, also,
Speaker 1: I was horny and there's some hot guys in it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't yet know what to do with that energy.
Speaker 1: So I saw this in the theater five times. That's
Speaker 1: very cute, Carrie Stones has Transformers transported me back in
Speaker 1: time to my childhood, even though it was only a
Speaker 1: black screen and a voice. Yeah, that was a big
Speaker 1: movie for a lot of people. I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 1: very good, But I mean, were you too old for
Speaker 1: that stuff? Or was that in your alley? No? I
Speaker 1: think that that kind of that kind of passed me by.
Speaker 1: Did it really when you were a kid? I just
Speaker 1: didn't Maybe it was before your time? Yeah, I don't know. Interesting. Uh,
Speaker 1: let me see another Jurassic Park Tony Cox is the Matrix?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that one? The Matrix is one that
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the poster for that it was coming
Speaker 1: and I thought it looked really interesting. But I so again,
Speaker 1: I'm not a distinct memory for like, oh, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited about the Matrix because of the trailer. Ny says,
Speaker 1: it was fourteen watching TV in my bedroom. The trailer
Speaker 1: came on. It was so different to anything else i'd seen.
Speaker 1: Ran out of the living room and said, Mom, I
Speaker 1: think I found a movie we'll all enjoy. It looks amazing. Sure,
Speaker 1: I remember that one because it did look different. I
Speaker 1: think I remember seeing that that scrolling green stuff, that
Speaker 1: code that looked cool, and that got me sort of
Speaker 1: right out of the gate. And that was really the
Speaker 1: first use of that kind of three sixty bullet time effect,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. That really was created that for that movie,
Speaker 1: and it got done to death and kind of went away.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, people don't even do that anymore much,
Speaker 1: do they. It's well, it's something that Zack Snyder is
Speaker 1: quite fond of. He still does it. I mean, not
Speaker 1: the three sixty spin, but just like the hyper slow
Speaker 1: mo bullet time, they're they're sort of I'm sort of
Speaker 1: combining two tropes. Because the thing that in the Matrix
Speaker 1: that was very specific was the spin around where they
Speaker 1: have like a ring of cameras that we're all filming.
Speaker 1: That technology is so cool. It was so cool and
Speaker 1: but the thing is like, once you've seen it in
Speaker 1: the Matrix, then you see in other places it almost
Speaker 1: starts to feel a little hackney and kind of cliche.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I rewatched The Matrix recently and it is
Speaker 1: a victim of its own genius by it looking a
Speaker 1: little dated now because of that effect. But it's like
Speaker 1: that they're the ones who did it, you know, not
Speaker 1: to me. I still think it looks good, but that's
Speaker 1: just my take. Yeah, total, have you seen the new trailers?
Speaker 1: Speaking of trailers for Army of the Dead in Zack Snyder? Wait,
Speaker 1: what is this? No, no, no, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is? This like another like it just dropped. It's
Speaker 1: a New Dead movie and uh it's Evil Dead or
Speaker 1: like like Dead series but has Tig Nataro in it
Speaker 1: as as a toughie and the it's a heist zombie movie.
Speaker 1: So the idea is that there's this money in Vegas
Speaker 1: after the zombie apocalypse that this elite team is of
Speaker 1: like former soldiers, has to go get and then fight
Speaker 1: off an army of zombies to get it, and it
Speaker 1: looks like a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I like seeing her do that. She's happy, great for it. Man, Like,
Speaker 1: she has a really good look for that movie, and
Speaker 1: that kind of she's all like loaded down with like
Speaker 1: you know, like a bandalro type, you know, like gun cartridges.
Speaker 1: What do you call those looks? Very cool? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the word. That's the word, gun cartridges. I'm clearly not
Speaker 1: a gun person. Clearly more of a video game person
Speaker 1: than a gun person. Uh. Steve Rothogg says the teaser
Speaker 1: for clover Field, that one definitely sold some movie tickets,
Speaker 1: even without saying the title of the movie. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that. That was a brilliant campaign. I do agree.
Speaker 1: Lisa Pollutzi says the Force awakens after the disappointing prequels,
Speaker 1: this felt more like the original trilogy. Totally. Yep. That
Speaker 1: one gave me chills. Actually, oh boy, I remember this one.
Speaker 1: Roger Dodgers says the original Alien was nine or ten.
Speaker 1: That teaser came out airing on TV. It scared me
Speaker 1: so much. O't run out of the room. Yeah in space,
Speaker 1: no one can hear you scream. One of the great taglines.
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about that, Chuck. That's one that
Speaker 1: just exists so singularly that I never even associated with
Speaker 1: a movie. I always thought it was from like a
Speaker 1: old episode of the Twilight Zone, like something that had
Speaker 1: just been around forever. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great tag
Speaker 1: I wonder who wrote that. It's such an art form,
Speaker 1: you know, to write a good tagline. Totally. Let me
Speaker 1: see Katie Howard clar says Cliffhanger, that awful Stallone movie.
Speaker 1: I was twelve when the combination of music and heights
Speaker 1: still gives me sweaty palms. I never saw that, did you. No.
Speaker 1: I think it's that's one of those movies that it
Speaker 1: is what it is. I don't think it pretended to
Speaker 1: be high art or anything. Absolutely, but I'm surprised I
Speaker 1: didn't see it. Mcmcdonnod says, there will be blood. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever been more excited to see a
Speaker 1: movie after the trailer. That's a good point, because it
Speaker 1: had that really a testing Johnny Greenwood choppy like you know,
Speaker 1: strings in it, beauty shots and no man so cool.
Speaker 1: That's a great trailer. It was also one of the
Speaker 1: ones where you're like, I don't quite know what this
Speaker 1: is about, but you knew there was some oil involved
Speaker 1: a little bit, and it was just like you know,
Speaker 1: lots of tense faces and very very well. And it
Speaker 1: was Paul Thomas Anderson. If you were already a fan
Speaker 1: of him, seeing him dive into a completely different world,
Speaker 1: then you had seen him working before this this period.
Speaker 1: That would have been his first period piece, which now
Speaker 1: kind of is his bread and butter. But that's exactly
Speaker 1: what that was, wasn't Yeah, totally. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: his new movie. What is it? What do you know
Speaker 1: about it? He's going back to the seventies, I think
Speaker 1: with um. I think it's a movie about a former
Speaker 1: child star actor or something in the valley. I think
Speaker 1: he's going back to his roots a bit. It looks great. Oh,
Speaker 1: here's a player with the project, Matthew Fober memorable one.
Speaker 1: Since it was at the time, we didn't realize it
Speaker 1: wasn't really y. Yeah, there wasn't really any precedent for
Speaker 1: that kind of found footage movie. Boy, those guys turned
Speaker 1: out to be not great filmmakers. Though, what else did
Speaker 1: they did they do? And I know there was that
Speaker 1: second Blair Witch, but I didn't think they had anything
Speaker 1: to do with it, did they? That was our old
Speaker 1: pal Joe Berlinger. The documentary filmmaker who I had on
Speaker 1: movie Crush, who did the Ted Bundy movie with Zac Efron.
Speaker 1: He you know what his claims to shame that he
Speaker 1: laughs about now is he made that second Blair Witch
Speaker 1: movie and he's a great filmmaker. And he talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about why it stunk and how they took
Speaker 1: it away from him and he didn't get to do
Speaker 1: the movie he wanted to do. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times you hear that and you think, yeah, whatever, But
Speaker 1: I totally believe Joe because he's a really good filmmaker. Absolutely, no, no,
Speaker 1: And I you know, I there were things about that
Speaker 1: movie that I liked when I was young. I did
Speaker 1: rewatch it more recently and it is quite quite quite bad.
Speaker 1: I didn't say, yeah, I saw the Book of Shadows
Speaker 1: I remember seeing in the theaters when I was younger. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I told Joe I didn't see it, and he was like, good, don't.
Speaker 1: Justin Ratliffe says the Shining, Timothy Hendrick says Joker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Joker was a really good trailer. It was it was
Speaker 1: simple to write, it didn't give away ship. It was
Speaker 1: almost Oh. There's also the thing that there's a style
Speaker 1: of trailer where it's like it's its own I guess
Speaker 1: that is the teaser where it's very much its own thing,
Speaker 1: where they've shot something that really doesn't exist anywhere else
Speaker 1: outside this little trailer, you know. Troy Nolan says Independence Day.
Speaker 1: So does cat Haven's Witten, and Troy says, I believe
Speaker 1: it debut during the Super Bowl one year, and I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, holy shit, that looks awesome. But it turned
Speaker 1: out to be kind of corny. I didn't really like
Speaker 1: that movie much, did you. Oh? I loved it. I
Speaker 1: loved it when I was a kid, But I think again,
Speaker 1: it's an age thing. You know, you were probably the
Speaker 1: right perfect age. I was just the right age. I
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I very much enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll finish up this movie. Trailer you're never
Speaker 1: gonna forget seeing with Ivy Hutchinson, Hutchinson saying Fury Road.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I remember seeing that trailer, dude, and I
Speaker 1: was just absolutely I was so just put it in
Speaker 1: my neck, man, and it was great. It lived up
Speaker 1: to it. I think I saw that three times in
Speaker 1: the theater, dude. I did at least see it twice
Speaker 1: in the theater. That one was just an absolute just treasure.
Speaker 1: And I don't do that anymore. I don't go see
Speaker 1: movies more than once in the theater because my time
Speaker 1: is so limited for for movie going. But I did
Speaker 1: and it was worth it. Yeah, I do it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a real hum dinger, as Lucy
Speaker 1: all Ball would say, hum dinger, all right now, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna move on to this what And this
Speaker 1: is sort of along the same lines as those movie
Speaker 1: trailers that that might pump up one character who's not
Speaker 1: even in it. What movie trailer totally misled you, because
Speaker 1: that can happen in terms of a twist, well, in
Speaker 1: terms of a lot of stuff. And I think the
Speaker 1: crushers get it because this is sort of I've been
Speaker 1: reading through these they sort of encapsulate the different ways
Speaker 1: in which you can be misled. Ian Bowers's Drive. It
Speaker 1: marketed itself like a fast and furious clone. Yeah yah
Speaker 1: ya ya, yeah uh And it was not that. No,
Speaker 1: it was not that. And and and sometimes that can absolutely backfire, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like it can like like that movie Mother
Speaker 1: for example, which was then seen that I fucking loved it. Um.
Speaker 1: It is a difficult movie. It is what many would
Speaker 1: probably consider very art cy and pretentious, but I just
Speaker 1: found it very arresting and it like really took my
Speaker 1: breath away, literally, and it's just it goes places that
Speaker 1: you're not expecting and it really goes their heart. But
Speaker 1: it was marketed like a thriller, right, and it is
Speaker 1: not that at all. It is a high art very
Speaker 1: um what's the word, almost like a like a parable
Speaker 1: like where like an allegorical kind of thing where there's
Speaker 1: stock characters that represent different things. It is not what
Speaker 1: it looked like at all. Mother, And it pissed people
Speaker 1: off because it was looking like, oh, from the creator
Speaker 1: of this other kind of edgy movie Dream or whatever,
Speaker 1: Requiem for a Dream comes Mother, an exercise and Terror
Speaker 1: more or less interesting. It's just one of those movies.
Speaker 1: I never got around to you. Yeah, I recommend it.
Speaker 1: Uh Adam had Dad says the trailer for the first
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad. Whoever edited that should totally be the go
Speaker 1: to trailer editor for all movies because it looked like
Speaker 1: it was gonna be awesome and it was a horrible mess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad look great in that trailer. I didn't see
Speaker 1: the movie though. It's such a fun concept and the
Speaker 1: characters are neat. I I hold out hope for the
Speaker 1: new one, um, because yeah, there there's something there, but
Speaker 1: that one just it was just a mess. It was
Speaker 1: like it felt like it was made by committee and
Speaker 1: that like they had to have rush a bunch of
Speaker 1: things and make things into montages that were never meant
Speaker 1: to be and just like like it just covered it
Speaker 1: with music because clearly they were using that to cover
Speaker 1: edits and time jumps and things. It was just, you know,
Speaker 1: very clearly a real mess. Uh. One of our oldest friends,
Speaker 1: Minal Data says and I la san poorly marketed as
Speaker 1: an action movie, but luckily I ended up loving it
Speaker 1: as another sci fi hit from Alex Garland. I loved Annihilation.
Speaker 1: I thought it was killer. I thought it was fantastic,
Speaker 1: and anything Alex Garland does I'm down for. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a multi part thing though the books, right, Annihilation, that's
Speaker 1: one part of several part book series, if I'm not mistaken, um.
Speaker 1: And I think the movie maybe didn't do well enough
Speaker 1: to justify making more. Probably I don't think it was
Speaker 1: a big hit, and I think it was a bit
Speaker 1: of miss marketing. I don't think I think it did
Speaker 1: look like sort of like Predator or something. And it's
Speaker 1: not that it's not. It's another one that gets very
Speaker 1: high art and surreal. But I thought one things I
Speaker 1: lead about that movie was the set design and like
Speaker 1: all of the like weird fungus kind of textures and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really. Here's the thing though, man, if you
Speaker 1: know your filmmakers, Like if you're just a regular sort
Speaker 1: of average movie goer who doesn't pay attention that much
Speaker 1: to filmmakers and stuff, you might get full. But if
Speaker 1: you know, like who Alex Garland is or who was
Speaker 1: it that did drive um oh oh, Nicholas winding Refin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, he's not going to make a fast
Speaker 1: and furious movie. Uh so you should be suspicious of
Speaker 1: those trailers, you know what I mean? Right, you know,
Speaker 1: I agree. But that's the thing though. Those trailers are
Speaker 1: designed to trick the Norman's you know, and and the
Speaker 1: But to me, that's why it'll backfire, because then of
Speaker 1: course they're going to shoot all over because it does
Speaker 1: not She's going to go down and furious. Jordan Wang
Speaker 1: says every movie trailer is misleading by the very nature
Speaker 1: of what advertisers are trying to do. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I agree with that. Jordan's um, they're trying to
Speaker 1: sell a movie, and I don't I think sometimes they
Speaker 1: I feel like they have to mislead. But I don't
Speaker 1: think every movie trailer is misleading, do you, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think, like I said this, We've
Speaker 1: been talking about this whole time. I think some of
Speaker 1: them do it justice. It's an art to it because
Speaker 1: you don't want to spoil it, you don't want to mislead,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to bore people either. So there's
Speaker 1: like you really had enough fine line between all those things,
Speaker 1: all right. But Jordan does say Cabin in the Woods
Speaker 1: was one of the most egregious of these. I think
Speaker 1: that was purposeful. I think they wanted to sort of
Speaker 1: hould wink you for Cabin in the Woods because you
Speaker 1: can't you can't give away anything in that trailer because
Speaker 1: the whole thing is about that twist is the thing? Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw that again not too long ago, and it's
Speaker 1: a very fun movie. It really truly is. David Rumor
Speaker 1: says Overlord seemed like a badass to a World War
Speaker 1: two movie. Sure, Yeah, they didn't show a lot of
Speaker 1: the horror movie imagery in the trailer. Did you see Overlord?
Speaker 1: I loved it. I did see if that's the Nazi
Speaker 1: movie that kind of pivots right, It's it's sort of
Speaker 1: like starts out one way and then like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's this other thing. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: about loved it. I quite enjoyed it, though. Jonathan Cooley says,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Scream totally thrown off by Drew
Speaker 1: Barrymore not being the lead. Well, that was very much
Speaker 1: purposeful too, pulled the rug out from underneath you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's obviously a nod to Janet Lee, you know,
Speaker 1: being bumped off in Psycho so quickly being a big star.
Speaker 1: Spoilers Noel for Psycho. I'm just kidding, boy, that was
Speaker 1: an eye roll and a half that I just got.
Speaker 1: Uh No, it's just I've get to get yelled at
Speaker 1: for spoilers. But I think there should be a statute
Speaker 1: of limitations. Here's what I haven't seen yet and a
Speaker 1: shresths one of our old friends says the Art of
Speaker 1: Self Defense trailer looked like a fun black comedy with
Speaker 1: Jesse Eisenberg. It was a really fucking dark, weird and
Speaker 1: disturbing film. I didn't see that. I think because of
Speaker 1: the trailer. I can see either. I need to check
Speaker 1: that out. It's supposed to be good. A Lisa Adams says,
Speaker 1: Silver Linings Playbook trailer made it seem way more of
Speaker 1: a comedy than it was. I liked it, but it
Speaker 1: was not what I expected. Yeah, I could agree with that.
Speaker 1: Oh here we go, No with the Mother the good,
Speaker 1: David Gooch, This trailer made it look like a psychological
Speaker 1: horror thriller. Instead, it was a weird dream like Bible parable.
Speaker 1: You said it, Yeah, I did, I did. I gotta
Speaker 1: see that movie. Why do people hate it because of
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of it is because of
Speaker 1: the feeling mislead. I believe, you know, if you go
Speaker 1: into something expecting one thing and then you get something
Speaker 1: the polar opposite, you're gonna be You're gonna feel, you know,
Speaker 1: manipulated in some way. I think, Well, Jonathan Cooley when
Speaker 1: a world friend says, uh, David Gooch, I hated this
Speaker 1: almost as much as I hated Midsummer Interesting and coolly
Speaker 1: rewatched Midsummer and hated it. More just wasn't for him
Speaker 1: that happens. I want to rewatch Midsummer I have not
Speaker 1: done so yet. You saw the first one first time,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it, but I really want to
Speaker 1: rewatch it as well. I recommended I liked it better
Speaker 1: the second time. Kate kittleson Marley and Me unbelievable bait
Speaker 1: and switch. I would not have watched it if I
Speaker 1: knew the truth going in, because it's sad times, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Emily and I watched Marley and Me until the scene
Speaker 1: because you know, we're big, big dog people, and we
Speaker 1: watched the scene until um it was like, Mommy, why
Speaker 1: are Marley's legs buckling? And then turned it off and went,
Speaker 1: well that was good. Yeah, we certainly enjoyed the first
Speaker 1: hour of that movie. Animal sads are the most triggering
Speaker 1: of sads. Yeah, Animal and kids SAIDs I can't do
Speaker 1: that kids stuff, man give me like uh Florida project
Speaker 1: or Beasts of the Southern wild Man. That stuff just
Speaker 1: rerects me. Hmm. Hans Bronzel says Hereditary remember seeing the trailer,
Speaker 1: not being interested enough to see it in theaters. Fast
Speaker 1: forward about a year. I picked it up on Blue
Speaker 1: Ray to flea market for cheap and I tried out
Speaker 1: Mother of God. That movie twisted my stomach around so
Speaker 1: much I couldn't finish it until the next day. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite horror movies. I actually think the trailer
Speaker 1: was really successful. It made really good use of that sound,
Speaker 1: and he used it to ratchet up the tension, and
Speaker 1: you see her do it once, and you keep hearing it,
Speaker 1: and they keep adding reverb to it, and it gets
Speaker 1: like just more and more weird and kind of like
Speaker 1: trippy sounding. Um. I thought that was a very good trailer. Actually,
Speaker 1: how do you too? Robbie Pools is the Matrix fooled
Speaker 1: him because he thought it was some alien invasion, superheroes
Speaker 1: save the World thing going on. Yeah, I guess you
Speaker 1: could see how that could have been. You could be
Speaker 1: misled by that. Jason Lewis's Gods Lewis's Kong, I expected
Speaker 1: a bit more in the beginning. It felt like it
Speaker 1: was trying to hide them in plain sight. Compared to
Speaker 1: the trailer. I don't understand. How can you be confused
Speaker 1: about what that movie is going to be about? Like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I don't know, he just says a
Speaker 1: I don't know. He says he feels like that they
Speaker 1: were trying to hide the monsters too much in the movie.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I thought they were like just trotting them out.
Speaker 1: They were like, I mean, it was really the focus
Speaker 1: of the movie for me, um in a way that
Speaker 1: was very self aware, and I appreciate it. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of big monster bashes. I can't wait,
Speaker 1: I'm all about it, Wendy White's Shawshank Redemption. I totally
Speaker 1: had no idea what the movie was about, and I
Speaker 1: hadn't read the book yet. M hmm. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't remember what the trailer was, like, it's
Speaker 1: been too long, but obviously love that movie. Sam Comber
Speaker 1: says a trailer to adventure Land made it seem like
Speaker 1: super Bad and an amusement park, and it very very
Speaker 1: ain't that. I really enjoyed adventure Land. Did you see
Speaker 1: that movie? I did. It's a very sweet, kind of
Speaker 1: coming of age type thing, almost right. I loved it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was really good and very underseen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly one of Kristen Stewart's lesser known but I think
Speaker 1: better performances. In my mind. I was just like, is
Speaker 1: Kristin Stewart in that she is isn't her? And Jesse
Speaker 1: Eisenberg it absolutely is not. Yes, it is Okay, I
Speaker 1: was losing it, Yeah she was. She was really good
Speaker 1: in that. Maybe that's why I don't remember. Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 1: was in at Martin Starr, Bill Hayter and Kristen Wegg.
Speaker 1: Where the Yeah, Where the Bosses. It was a really
Speaker 1: good movie. M all right, Let's do a couple of
Speaker 1: more here. Eternal Sunshine from Leam Butler trailer head Mr.
Speaker 1: Blue Sky playing all the way through was really a beat.
Speaker 1: The trailer played at as a very typical Jim Carrey comedy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that happens a lot, especially when you have
Speaker 1: a Jim Carrey doing something large different. They're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: we got we we got Jim Carey. We can't squander
Speaker 1: this Jim Carey opportunity. Totally, totally, totally Uh. Former and
Speaker 1: future guest Cole Stratton, one of our old pals, who
Speaker 1: is I love it that coal was so active here
Speaker 1: on the on the board, he said the Twister trailer,
Speaker 1: when that tire hurdles at the viewer, which wasn't in
Speaker 1: the movie, that's the first cinema bait and switch. I
Speaker 1: can remember being perplexed by you remember that what hurdles
Speaker 1: that the viewer the tire at the very end of
Speaker 1: the Uh. And my old buddy Ward Jenkins, he was
Speaker 1: one of my brother's good friends in high school. He
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Uh he was a crusher, so welcome.
Speaker 1: But he also says Twister because he worked in the
Speaker 1: theater at the time, and he said Twister is the
Speaker 1: first trailer that he remembers that had that stinger at
Speaker 1: the end, like where you think the trailer is over
Speaker 1: and then you get that last thing. And I think
Speaker 1: he might be right. I don't remember any other movie
Speaker 1: before Twister. And he even posted the trailer and I
Speaker 1: rewatched it and I was like, yeah, man, that Twister
Speaker 1: trailer was great. And at the very end, it gives
Speaker 1: that stinger of a truck being flipped in an attire,
Speaker 1: coming right at the camera, kind of crashing through the windshield.
Speaker 1: And that was not in the movie. And that's what
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier. Sometimes they're using footage that
Speaker 1: they do not use in the film itself. That is
Speaker 1: very interesting example. But now you're right that little you
Speaker 1: know fake out where it's like you even see no,
Speaker 1: I know what it is. It is usually after the
Speaker 1: title comes up, but before the final like um, you know,
Speaker 1: freeze frame of the credits basically you know what I
Speaker 1: mean at the very end. Yeah, mean, if you haven't noticed,
Speaker 1: trailers are very of the moment, like everyone does sort
Speaker 1: of the same thing for a while, kind of like
Speaker 1: movie posters. It becomes sort of the way you're doing
Speaker 1: it for a time, and then it switches and there's
Speaker 1: sort of a new thing that you do for a while,
Speaker 1: and those those stings became very much a part of
Speaker 1: sort of the modern trailer thing. I think it can
Speaker 1: be effective. I think it can be too. You kind
Speaker 1: of wait on them now though, and sometimes they don't happen,
Speaker 1: especially in the horror movie ones, like you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen here at the end? Is the girl
Speaker 1: going to come out of the closet with a knife screaming? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But then it's like it's like subverting the subversion of
Speaker 1: the expectation, Yeah, exactly, Like everyone knows that they're waiting
Speaker 1: all right, No, well that's gonna wrap this one up
Speaker 1: our little movie or owed two movie trailers and uh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fun. I'm doing a little steamer
Speaker 1: every now and then. I love it too, and I
Speaker 1: want to say, uh, kudos to people that really treat
Speaker 1: this like an art for them. You can definitely tell
Speaker 1: the difference, you know what I mean when one is
Speaker 1: made by committee or it's like you know, clearly designed
Speaker 1: to mislead, but like a really good movie trailer is
Speaker 1: a lovely thing. I think, yeah, And I think the
Speaker 1: misleading ones, especially like with Drive, is when the studio
Speaker 1: knows we got some art house garbage that no, you can't.
Speaker 1: You gotta sell it as something else just for that
Speaker 1: first weekend. We gotta get some asses in the seats
Speaker 1: to try and make some of our money back. And
Speaker 1: then the filmmakers, I'm sure hate that. You know, they're
Speaker 1: really like the Paul Thomas Anderson's they have trailer control too. Huh.
Speaker 1: That's and that's that's why we talked so much about
Speaker 1: that there will be blood trailer because of in and
Speaker 1: of itself, is uh an absolute little little mini work
Speaker 1: of art. Totally absolutely all right, good stuff everyone, Thanks
Speaker 1: for chiming in, and thank you Noel for everything that
Speaker 1: you do for this show. But just as a human
Speaker 1: in the world. Hey man, YouTube brother and I appreciate
Speaker 1: it all right, We'll see you all next week. Movie Crash.
Speaker 1: It's produced and written by Charles Bryant and Roll Brown,
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