WEBVTT - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Terron Armstead discuss Saquon on retirement and who has the best NFL atmosphere? 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:02.080 The volume. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.400 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.680 for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I'm your 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.799 favorite on Shannon Sharp, my partner and co hosts Liberty 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.720 City's own Bengal Ring of Fame, honoree pro bowler, all 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.400 Pro Madden Adjuster. That's Chad o Cho Senko Johnson, and 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.920 we have a very special guest tonight. He's a five 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.800 time pro bowler out of the yard out of Arkansas 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.640 Pine Bluff from Belleville, Illinois, and he still holds the 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.560 record for the fastest offensive lineman for forty yard dash 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.519 time in the Combine history at four seven one. 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In the twenty thirteen Combine, Tehran recorded the 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.960 fastest forty for an offensive lineman in Combine history, a 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.920 record that still stands to this day. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:10.160 It was close. 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.320 Lane Johnson ran four seven two, but Toront's record of 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.160 four to seven one is close. And if I'm not mistaken, 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.480 they're the only two offensive linemans that's run in the 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.200 four sevens. They've been a couple of runs low four eights, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.960 but no other lineman other than Tehran at four seven one. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.640 Lane Johnson at four seven two have been in the 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.799 offensive lineman have been in the four seventh so as 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.400 of yet. So now we're thirteen years in counting twenty 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:40.560 thirteen to twenty fifteen, and Toront still held that record. Turan, Look, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.240 you're coming out of Arkansas Pine Bluff and it's not 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.000 like it used to be. There used to be a 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.120 plethora of guys coming out of HBCUs and so that 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:50.040 would have been nothing. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:50.760 But here it is. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.800 Now we're in the twenty tens and we get an 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:58.400 offensive lineman, you're three times swack All Conference player, and 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.040 you go to the Combine. What were your expectations? Did 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.080 you know you had this kountability in you? 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:05.600 Yeah, for sure, for sure. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.040 I knew I had the talent and the speed and 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.959 agility to showcase. I just had to get to the showcase. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.200 So it was really huge for me to get that 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.360 Combine invite. That was that was monumental for me trying 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.160 to get more exposure, to get more eyes to my 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.840 to my tape. So I knew that I was going 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.079 to go. I was going for the record for sure, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.480 Like before I even before we got to Indy, I 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.120 was going for the record out I wanted to run. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.280 Faster honestly than that. But I'll take the four seven Hey, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.400 but six four three five, that's that's what I get 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:37.840 ready to ask you. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.560 I'll get to ask you how tall you were and 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.080 how much you weighed to be able to run that. Listen, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.600 I ain't running before five, so technically by you right 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:46.960 there with. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.560 Me, right there on your neck. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.080 Yeah, no, I was six six five three old six 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.279 I believe three or four at the combine. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.200 Wow, so you knew, you knew? So what was if 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.280 I'm not, I don't know what the record was? What 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.240 was the record? What was the fastest forty time for 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.720 an offensive lineman before you broke it? It was four 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.200 a four for a four. While you didn't break it, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:10.280 you obliterately needed it. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.960 I needed it. I needed all that. I needed that 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:13.720 that my moment. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.440 I was on NFL network dot com NFL dot com 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:18.480 for like two hours. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.800 I needed all of it. So the scouts can go 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:21.480 watch my film. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.479 Okay, so now you go run that forty yard dashtime 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.960 you run four seven one, and that's really the order. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:28.440 Yeah. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.599 They want you to jump high, Yeah, they want you 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.480 to do too. But speed is what captivates their tension. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.200 Now you an offensive lineman. You never gonna be able 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.800 to unwind that four seven one again, But you just 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.159 wanted to put that on tape to let them see, Look, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.520 you got a phenomenal athlete. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.279 Yes, I went to Arkansas Pine Bluff. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.640 Yeah, I know you're gonna downgrade me talk about who 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.800 did I flock and who did I play against, But 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.680 I'm gonna come and showcase my skills and let you 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.640 see and then the kiffs fall what they may. So 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.720 when you read that time, did you know, like, okay, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.400 I got their undivided attention. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:00.960 I'm about to get drafted. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.000 And know for sure we have special talents down there 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.200 in these HBCUs all across the country. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.760 We do. So I just needed the opportunity to showcase 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.760 my skill. I knew what time it was. I was 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.000 going for the vertical record too. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:13.440 I missed that by half an inch, so like I 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.360 knew that I was going to be able to make 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.760 that splash, and like I say again, I needed it. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.599 I really needed that chance to get all the scouts 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.120 just to watch my fam I wouldn't ask you for 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.479 no favorites, but just check out the film and see 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:26.479 the dominance Yeah. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.640 Now, also when I look at the officer line position, 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.640 as fast as you were, you know, as far as 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.920 running the forty, did you have an advantage as far 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.159 as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.000 line as well? Because most of the time, obviously, you know, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.880 playing officer line is all about your hand placement in 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:47.320 your footwork and we always being being balanced. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.640 Did that give you the advantage? Yeah? 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.159 No, My athletic says to my agility that those were 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.560 my strengths when I played throughout my twelve year career 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.839 because I'm six five, three or four, not the biggest tackle, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.960 not necessarily the strongest season. But I'm on your ass. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.560 So was the ball snap you know what I mean? 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.440 A lot of jump says, I had to use that 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.800 in my game. So, uh findal ways to play in 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.240 my strength, and I was using my speed. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:12.000 Okay? 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.800 Were you always an offensive lineman cuts out? I mean 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.400 we were that kind of fast twitch. You might have 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:17.960 been a you might have been a tight end at 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.239 some point in time in your career. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.960 Were you always an offensive lineman? Back in my hometown Cochi, Illinois, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.680 we went off of speed. That's what we do. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.760 We run, So I was a defensive lineman in off 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.239 of Salami, but I would go play seven on seven 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.120 with the guys corner, safety, receiver, whatever. Yeah, it really 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.279 was like that, really was like that, you can't do 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.400 that shit no more. But I really was like that, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.760 I can't move like that no morel too with fit. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.400 Look you mentioned you say so you were thirty four, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.039 thirty four right now thirty three thirty three to run 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.520 you walk away from the game. You're only thirty three 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.920 lineman normally played in at thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.520 We saw Jackie Slayter play twenty years and he retired 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.880 at forty plus. And you see linemen especially, I don't 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.159 know your injury history. That's why, that's why I'm going 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.960 with this. Why walk away from the game and all 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.800 that chip out there? You see that money, so how 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:14.240 it is. It's a lot of freshly trended money out there, 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.760 for sure, But yeah it is. Yes, indeed, I got 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:17.600 a man. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.080 God blessed me with so many great moments and great 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:22.520 years and a great career. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.080 Uh, my injury history is extensive. It is, it is. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.680 It is long, and I've been through it, and that's 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.160 really the part for me is my body. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:32.560 You know, I love this game. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.320 I mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game for forever, 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.200 you know. But it's just physically and I'm and I'm 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.600 okay with saying that that that my body is slowing 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.760 down its movements and abilities, that I just can't perform 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:47.960 at at the same level. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.880 And I take so much pride in my. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.760 Film up that, Yeah, man, it has to look a 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.480 certain way, like every time I step on the field, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.840 that has to look pro Bowl, all pro like. That's 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.960 the that's the brand I wanted to leave, so I 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.520 never want to leave. Got out there getting my getting 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.960 whooped on. That ain't that can't happen. 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:03.960 You know what, It takes a lot. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.960 It takes a lot of awareness, self awareness at that 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.280 for a player of your caliber, or any player that's 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.040 played in the NFL, that's played at a high level, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.200 to understand what it's time to call the quist. Most 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.480 of the time we will ride, we'll ride the ride 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.440 the car to the wheels fall off, you know, regard 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.440 for you know what, I don't look the same. At 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.320 what moment did you realize that, you know what, I 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:24.760 really don't have it to be to. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.200 Play at the All Pro or or or Pro Bowl 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.680 level anymore. What moment did it hit you? 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.280 Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.000 year in the league, but it's been with me from 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.079 for my entire career. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.120 So man, just I'll speak on this year alone. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.680 I didn't see a practice field like at all, and 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.320 not because I didn't want to or the Dolphins just 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.640 wanted me to rest. It's like I literally couldn't walk, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.200 you know, I couldn't after a game on Sunday. I 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.600 wouldn't be able to walk on my own, you know, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.920 under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So I was 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.280 only able to play under under under the payment is 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.200 I couldn't put any pressure on my knee. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.880 So it was like, I can't keep doing that to myself. Man, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.680 we uh it comes to. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.120 That time, Yeah, thirty three and you now you get 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.080 to be forty and all of a sudden, you're like, man, 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.400 what my livers shutting down, my kidneys and all the 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.000 other things from taking those pain medicine Because I know 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.640 I've seen I've seen linemen have to take vikinging. Just 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.800 the practice I get, I get the game. I get 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.600 the game. I really do because you know that's once 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.080 a week, but the practice ahead. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.640 Yeah, no, that's crazy's and that's what I was the 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:31.400 norm for sure. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.160 I didn't. I didn't want to fall in that cycle, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:34.600 right right. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.880 But the thing Azcho was saying, it takes su space 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.800 because to the cat, to the lay person, they don't, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.680 they don't, they don't, they don't really see what you know. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.680 And the thing is is that when you it's kind 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.920 of hard to let go and not practice because as 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.120 an offensive lineman. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:54.679 Sets for everything. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.720 You weren't going to jump set when you paid a 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.840 lazy fat don't we And and the thing is you got 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.880 to practice that during the course of a week. It's 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.600 hard for an offensive lineman to just go out there 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.520 on a Sunday jump set. Quick said, hey, stab whatever 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.200 the case may be, and just go. And you going 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.920 against the best of the best. You said it, you 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.160 said it's the reps. It's especially for office line play. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.400 We were so based. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.480 It's based on technique and uh toim and and all 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.120 the hand placement and not not to mention the cohesiveness 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.640 of everyone, because you know, we're the only unit that 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.400 never comes off the field outside of the quarterback. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:35.199 That's one person. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.320 But we're the only unit that never comes off the field, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.000 so that chemistry and time and it just is really 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.439 tough not getting those practice reps and then preparing mentally 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.800 for Max Crosby and Miles Garrett. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:53.120 And that's not okay, keep doing that, dealing with TJ. Wattson. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.280 I can't keep doing that, man with no practice. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.160 Like, come on, man, boys, like you said, you talk 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.920 about your offense Tehran, you talk about your t excuse me, 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.320 you talk about your offensive linement, and like, okay, they 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.040 get somebody else in there to practice it. But you 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.959 and that left guard, y'all need to be cohesive. You 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.800 need to like be on the same level and pass 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.480 it off because if you're on different levels, guy, go 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.480 hit that crack and now everybody's like, man, y'all hate 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.800 judge it, but see, you might be a little slow, 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.040 he might've been a little fast, and now all of 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.160 a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.679 have had that situation covered. I know, I look and 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.080 everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.520 with Gary Zimmerman, who's the who's the two decade All 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.360 decade player in the eighties and the nineties. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.880 He went to the Hall of Fame, but he didn't like. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:44.120 He didn't like me, the chip block, he didn't like. 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:45.240 He like sharpy. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.200 Don't touch he said, if I if I jumped, said it, man, 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.240 you hit him, you on the knock him inside, and 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:52.840 now I can't get him, and everybody goes back. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.480 I got so don't touch it. 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.640 Yeah, that's the real thing, especially especially if you have 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.040 a big physical tight end like like yourself. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:02.920 So like you hitting him too hard? 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.320 He getting momentum, he getting like a joke into the 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.959 to the nside move you know what. I got him 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.400 to get out the way, get open, get over Jonathan 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.679 ja O. Now I played with j O Jonathan Auga. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.840 Whos the first battlet Hall of Famer. He like, hey, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.080 knock him, knock him out if you can't. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.520 For me. And depends on who it is man who 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.600 over there exactly? 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.840 But you, like you said, certain offensive linemen they want 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.080 some I mean, hey, stick and stay or some guys 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.640 like don't touch it. But like you said, that practice 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.120 like for an offensive lineman and seeing like like I said, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.560 I've worked with Zam for like four years, work with 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.800 Jail for two years, and to see what they go 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.679 through because they're working on their sets. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.160 They ate, they kicking. Uh, am I gonna stab him? 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.320 Am I gonna quick? Sitting? Am I gonna jump setting? 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.120 What am I gonna do? And not? In the game? 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.120 Man, I want to jump set? But that need bother you. Now, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:54.480 I can't. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.120 I can't. I can't see. I can't do what I 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:58.560 want to do. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.040 I mean the mind is and say do that that. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.360 You can't do that? No, you can't do it no more. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.600 When it came to playing the left tackle position, now, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.800 I think about my approach to playing receiver when it 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.160 came to DB's and studying each DV every week and 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.280 understanding what type of dB I'm going against? You got 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:16.880 some that are quick, some of that fast, some of 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.199 the physical, some of that you know, playoff or whatever 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.480 may be. What was your approach when it came to 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.080 playing defensive ends each week? 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:26.600 Was was your Was. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.599 Your approach different as far as from from a technical standpoint? 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.600 Do you change up things you did depending on who 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:32.360 you were playing that week? 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.160 We always I've always said this is a show that 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.520 it's a lot of parallels to me, a lot of similarities. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:42.800 Between old line tackling tackling d N and receiver in corner. Yes, sir, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:44.840 like that that one on one matchup. It's a lot 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.440 of dynamics there that that's parallel to me. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.600 The technique that goes intoward tendencies, like you said, is depressing. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.160 If I if I jab inside, what are you doing 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.800 with his hands? Same thing as I'm bringing the defensive end. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.920 I'm looking at their alignment. First, how wide is the 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.319 getting and then it get off? You know, how well 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.319 is he time and a snap? Then I want to 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.959 see his home runs. What's what's his go to move 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.120 that he's consistently winning on. What he's winning on the 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.559 most I break that down. That's the one I want 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.440 to take away. I want to take that one away, 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.720 and then all right, what's his second highest percentage move 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.400 to count. I'm taking those top two away throughout my career. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.760 That was the goal, my objective of game planning. I 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.880 want to take them top two winners away. Now, if 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.800 you beat me with a third, you you you're a 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.000 bad man, but you're going you're gonna have to get that. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.480 But for me, I was taking those top two, top 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:34.240 two moves away. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.880 And one of the things that I've always liked to 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.000 ask players that that, once they're done playing, who gave 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:39.920 the the most fits? 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:40.240 For me? 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.360 And everybody asked me all the time, listen, you played 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.360 a very long time, you're going against them. I've always 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.600 had to deal with the number one dB and everyone asked, 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:47.960 you know who gave you fits? 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.280 And obviously the one person I say every. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:55.840 Time that you see had hell you lock everybody up, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.040 but had to be super strong. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:03.840 He asked you about nobody will would you were talking? 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.880 Hey? Who? So you just want to give him the 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:10.120 flowers for doing that? 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.760 Yeah, man, I had some battles. I had some of 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.920 these guys I say too many times like I didn't. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.520 I didn't want to have these robbery going on. But 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.360 you know that's how the schedule to go. I played 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.320 as a ton was always one of those. He's one 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:26.760 of those you got it. You can make sure he 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.880 breaks like he's one of those for short. But the 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.400 guy that gave me the most fits, and I've probably 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.160 seen him the most and he is still underrated in 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:36.600 my eyes. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:37.520 Robert Quinn. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.240 Robert Quinn, Man, oh that first double Quinn, he's been 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.360 in that edge. He listened Robert Quinn, he got he 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.120 probably got the most sacks on me, Like out of everybody, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.200 he's the person that say I got to on t 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.680 stall like he he probably the one person that can 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.080 say that, right, Okay, okay, that dude gat Yeah. I 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.320 don't even want to see him whost career. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.840 I don't want to. I'm cool, friends, nothing, I don't 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:04.920 want to run in the Robert. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.600 That's dope because if it's really it's really like a 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.760 dang it is because like you said, they're getting that white, 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.000 they're getting that what they're getting to that ye nine 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.760 And now hey you're like, Okay, I know he gonna 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.760 come wide, but what if he dropping bull me? 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.520 Okay, now he gonna hit me, and then he's spin inside. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.760 So I got I got all that going into I 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.280 gotta look at him. Okay, what is he doing? 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:27.400 Now? 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:27.920 I'm kicking. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.440 I can only kick so far because the damn cornerback 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.840 the hell I keep kicking, i'ma be in his damn 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.880 last So I can only get brother like two picks. See, 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.800 and then I got to say, and I gotta tell you, hey, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.560 I gotta be I don't want him to get it. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:42.920 I don't want him to bend the edge on me 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.800 because he, like you said, Miles can ben ben, But 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.240 I also I also don't want him to wax on, 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.560 wax out, been crossed my face all that were. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.480 Trying to process all that, man, and they lined up 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.000 in this way nine and these athletes are only getting 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:58.640 They're only getting bigger, faster, stronger. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.480 Yeah. So it's man, it's it's it's tough to deal with. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.560 Like Michaeh playing Michael Parsons for the first time, it 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.040 was Christmas Day, we in Miami, beautiful day. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.560 We smacked the cowboys. That ain't part of the story. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.760 But seeing see Michael Parsons for the first time in 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.280 real life, it was different. Bro, Like you are You're 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.639 way too big to be moving as fast being that well, like, 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.560 it's just the athlete. The evolution of the athlete is 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.280 just it's becoming something something different. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.840 Man. Cool, I'm cool, y'all. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.560 And also those guys, especially watching you know, playing against 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.080 Derreck Thomas. But the guy that I had the most 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.040 respect for, I only played against him for two years 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.399 because I was on in Baltimore two years. I've never 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.919 seen a guy here size that quick. Was that Jabon 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:51.080 curse the freak man, freak the first time. The first 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:56.000 time I played man, hey, I turned about saying, hey, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:02.840 y'all better talk. He was gone, called block, dude. He 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.280 took a step down because I got I had to step, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.639 so I stepped with it. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.399 Man. By the time I put my foot down, he 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.359