1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Ola. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: It's Mariao Josa of Latino USA. There are just a 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: few artists who have indisputably revolutionized a musical genre. Think 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: of Little Richard and rock and roll, for example, or 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and pop music. Well in Mexican regional music. 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: One of those revolutionary artists is c Cellino Sanchez. El 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Rey del Narco Corrido, our newest podcast from Futuro Studios, 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: hosted by writer and journalist Eric Galindo, looks at c 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: Cellino's extraordinary life and they're going to attempt to unravel 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: the mystery of his death. In collaboration with Mexico City 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: based Sonorro Media. This is Idolo, the Ballad of Cellino 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: Sanchez and just a warning, there are mentions of drug use, violence, 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: and graphic language in this episode. And now here's Eric Gallindo. 14 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: It's May fifteenth, nineteen ninety two, a hot, humid night 15 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: in Kagan, Sinaloa, and Chelino Sanchez is in a crowded 16 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: nightclub wearing a suit. Chelino almost always wore some kind 17 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: of suit, along with cowboy boots, a matching velve, a 18 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: white tajana. Like the good guys, wore an old American 19 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Westerns and most of the time a loaded gun. He's 20 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: with his band Losa Mables de Noe, and they're about 21 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: to perform in front of a capacity crowd. They're at 22 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: a place called Salon Bugambilias, a large old school show 23 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: haul like the one your sister Scintignetta might have been 24 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: held at. 25 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: I'm Gonna Bird. 26 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: It's a momentous night for Cellino. He's about to sing 27 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: on a big stage in his hometown for the first 28 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: time in his seven year career. But Nacho Hernandez, Chelino's bandleader, 29 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: notices that something's off. Nacho says, Challino's on edge and 30 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: he's wearing his gun on stage, which he hadn't done 31 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: in some time. If you google Cellino's name, one of 32 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: the first things that pops up is a clip from 33 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: this show. The video is a classic nineties home movie. 34 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: A shaky hand pans, the camera lands around the pack 35 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: room Challinos standing near the side of the stage. The 36 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: two bus poppy. There's a man in a black T 37 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: shirt pumping his fist, and the crowd is going wild. 38 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: Challino finally starts to move effortlessly, as if gliding on air, 39 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: escorted by a group of models, all dressed in white. 40 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Chalino climbs on stage and nearly crashes into Nacho, who's 41 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: already tickling the accordion. As the show goes on, the 42 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: crowd pushes all the way to the edges of the stage, 43 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: so close to where Challino is standing that they can 44 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: reach out and touch him. Nacho says, it's a beautiful night. 45 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: Everyone's happy, and then someone from the audience hands Charlie 46 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: nooy note. Nacho says, that's the moment everything changed. 47 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: Here. 48 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: I'll go fail, Nacho says, the note just wipe the 49 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: smile of Chillino's face. The moment is captured on video. 50 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: It takes Chellino seven seconds to read the whole thing, 51 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: and when he finishes, his face looks pale. There's what 52 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: appears to be cold sweat running down his white tajana, 53 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: and a facial expression I can only describe as an 54 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: oh no please, no face perroel and na. But whatever 55 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: is on the note, Chillino doesn't tell Nacho. He just 56 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: rolls up the little paper and drops it on the 57 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: ground and he gets on with the show. Suddenly, Chellino 58 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: grabs the mic and turns toward Nacho to tell him. 59 00:04:51,279 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: One of his favorite sayings, I don't sing hi bart, 60 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: but the people like it. He kicks off. We were 61 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: a super group, Natcho says. Unfortunately we didn't get to 62 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: enjoy that superstardom. You can find multiple videos of this 63 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: concert on YouTube, most of them with millions and millions 64 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: of views. That's because this show has been analyzed frame 65 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: by frame by fans all over the world for the 66 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: last thirty years. This is the last performance Chelino Sanchez 67 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: will ever play, and that little piece of paper that 68 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: Chellino reads on stage, it will forever be known as 69 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: the death note. Just hours after this concert, Chelino Sanchez 70 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: would be murdered. But who killed him and why? 71 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: I know? 72 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: For Fotuno Studios and Sono in association with Seemeelo Productions, 73 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm Mery Galindo and this is Iedelone The Ballad of 74 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: Chelino Sanchez. They show about the man who would become 75 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: known as the godfather of narco corridos, whose life would 76 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: become its own kind of legendary drug ballad. 77 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 5: Chelino Sanchez is widely considered the first Narco corrido superstar. 78 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 6: He was a drug trafficker to some extent. He had 79 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 6: a collection of guns, and he used to carry a 80 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 6: gun often. 81 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 7: He survived shooting, that was the thing, and he survived it, 82 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 7: and he wasn't afraid. 83 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: He lived a life without a care or without being 84 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: scared of anybody. Already thing. He was a bad guy 85 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: trying to be a singer. It's the morning of May sixteenth, 86 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: just hours after the biggest show of his life, and 87 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: Chelino Sanchez is lying in a ditch with two shots 88 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: in the head. At age thirty one, the self made 89 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: music mogul, rumored cartel hitman, a clean singer, songwriter, and 90 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: beloved father of two, is dead. And the mystery surrounding 91 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: this ghastly murder is about to turn this poor immigrant 92 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: from a tiny Mexican pueblo into the most famous Mexican 93 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: America and singing outlaw that ever lived. Imagine if Frank 94 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Sinatra went on stage every night with a gun in 95 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: his waistband or if Tupac got into a shootout on 96 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: stage at a rodeo. Imagine if Billy the Kid could 97 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: write his adventures into songs with the skill of Bob Dylan. 98 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: That's who Chelino Sanchez was. Chelino's legend is so big 99 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: and brash that it's hard to separate back from fiction. 100 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: I'm going to be hosting the English language version of 101 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: this podcast and reporting on the US side, and Alex 102 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: Mendoza will be hosting the Spanish version and reporting from Mexico. 103 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: We're telling Tellino's story on both sides of the border 104 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: because he died in Sinaloa, but he really mattered to 105 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: people on both sides. He was born in Sinaloa and 106 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: moved to California as a young man, escaping the law, 107 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: possibly after committing to murder. He hustled and spent time 108 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: in prison. Eventually he became a singer who pioneered the 109 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 1: form that would later evolve into the Narco corrillo. He 110 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: spin on traditional Mexican guitar based songs full of bravado 111 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: that detail the bloody escapades of Mexico's drug bosses and criminals. 112 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: But Challino didn't just sing about cartels, shootouts and revenge. 113 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: He lived it. When Challino died in Mexico in nineteen 114 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: ninety two, at thirty one years old, it just seemed 115 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: like the inevitable conclusion of his modern day Wild West life. 116 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: The rumors about how it happened, started almost immediately that 117 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 1: he had faked his debt to escape a hit on 118 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: his life, that the American or Mexican government had him killed, 119 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: that he was secretly a hit man for the cartels 120 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: and finally got his due. Challino's story, his own Narco Corrido, 121 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: is the ultimate ride through the drug cartel world, the 122 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: underbelly of the Mexican American music ind and a murder 123 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: mystery for the ages. I'll never forget that day in 124 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two when Chellino died. News of Chellino's death 125 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: came with a figurative and literal shock for my older 126 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: brother Paul, a tough ass teenage outlaw on his own right, 127 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: who idolized him. I remember him coming home that day. 128 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: He didn't say anything, but he was clearly upset and 129 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: wanted to play a Chelino Sanchez cassette tape in our 130 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: jammed family boombox. But Paul forgot to unplug the portable radio. 131 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: When he tried to dislodge a stuck Gladiatreric cassette tape 132 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: with the filed down screwdriver, a small electrical current knocked 133 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: him back all the way out for what felt like 134 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: an eternity. After he recovered, he came into the living 135 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: room and announced, through hard fought tears, they killed Chelino, 136 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: as if he had lost someone close to him. I 137 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: just sat there on the floor of a near empty 138 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: room in our little yellow house on House Street, just 139 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: a few blocks away from where Cheleino lived with his 140 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: wife and two children my age, and I wondered who 141 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the they that killed him were. I never thought one 142 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: day I'd be sitting across from Chelino's best friend and 143 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: band leader, Nacho at Nandez, trying to find answers to 144 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: that question. 145 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 4: Gotakina. 146 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: Nacho says everyone went their separate ways after that last 147 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: show in. 148 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 4: Kulakan Yosa Amia. 149 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 8: Imi Compa. 150 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: He says each band member went home. Nacho left with 151 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: his wife, and Chelino took off in a car with 152 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: his brother and some women to an after party. Then 153 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: Nacho tells me his story he heard and that has 154 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: basically become one of the biggest legends out there. 155 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 4: And they weren't a roundabout when they were ambushed by 156 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: three cars, including a suburban with government plates. 157 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 5: I get through. 158 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: Iman dressed like a Mexican federal he told them get 159 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: out of the car. Chelino responds, Hey, I have money, 160 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: thinking this was just a shakedown for a bribe. The 161 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: federality responds, no, no, no money, get out of the car. 162 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: Ya. 163 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: That's as far as Nacho knows. Chelino's body was found 164 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: the next day, shot twice in the head. Nacho says 165 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: he personally never looked into his best friend's murder because 166 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: he's just a musician, not a gun slinger or someone 167 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: with power. Even the people with power, like the police, 168 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: never really investigated Chelino's death. To this day, the authorities 169 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: refused to release the file on Chellino's cold case, but 170 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: Nacho thinks he has an idea of why Chelino was killed. 171 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: In a roor ma. 172 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: Nacho says, Chellino made a fatal error by being a 173 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: musician who announces shows and tours, telling everyone where he's 174 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: about to be on any given night, all while moonlighting 175 00:13:50,480 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: as an outlaw. That outlaw vibe is part of what 176 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: made Chellino resonate with people like my brother and for 177 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: many of the people in my community who traditionally feel 178 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: like the law does nothing to protect them. I mean, 179 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: most of us grew up much more afraid of the 180 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: police than of criminals. Someone who is brave enough to 181 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: break the law to earn a living for their family 182 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: gets a certain level of respect in my hood. Chelino's 183 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: narco identity is seductive for better or worse, and it's 184 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: also what has contributed to his long lasting popularity, even 185 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: if you've never heard of him. Celino Sanchez's impact on 186 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: pop culture and on the music business was astronomical. His 187 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: fingerprints can be seen on the flamboyant style choices of 188 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: characters like the Salamancas and breaking bad better costs out, 189 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: or in the way Luis Guzman's character in Netflix is 190 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Narcos rocks at the Hana to prove his love of 191 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: Mexican culture. You can hear Tellino's influence on the thousands 192 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: of Grammy winning, Billboard topping acts that followed in his 193 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: image and then made it their own, like the late 194 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: Jenny diveda Yours, What's that Regular? And even Snoop Dogg 195 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: is bumming Cellino to this day Friday music from Uh 196 00:15:49,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Charino Scianchez. You can even feel the seismic multi million 197 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: dollars shifty cause when he helped turn Los Angeles into 198 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: an epicenter of the Mexican regional genre. Now, three decades 199 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: after his death, more than two million listeners still tune 200 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: into his Spotify channel each month. His biggest hit, a 201 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: seminode to Unrequited love called lasnieva Zanetto, which roughly translates 202 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: to the Snows of January, has been streamed nearly one 203 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: hundred million times on the popular music platform as of 204 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: June twenty twenty one. That's more times in Selena Kintania's 205 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: BDBD Bomb Bomb, Bob Dylan's Mister Tambourine Man, Frank Sinatra, 206 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: Strangers in the Night, even Biggie's hypnotic party anthem Get Money. 207 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: I fell in love with Chelino for the same reason 208 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: I love Tupac and Biggie, because they were real and 209 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: they sang about real shit. When Chelino saying about being 210 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: a badass, it wasn't because he was flexing materialistic things. 211 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: He was talking about surviving against the odds and bad situations. 212 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Like in a Guy as a La he talks about 213 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: a man who is pursued by death and the police, 214 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: but still manages to get away and live his best life. 215 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,239 Speaker 1: Then there are songs like Oscar Barasa about a man 216 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: who works hard for his family and loves life even 217 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: though he lost his young son. Challino's music made people 218 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: like my friend Rood roblest Ill seen. 219 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 6: We were all into easy, we were into rap and 220 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 6: w a of course being West Coast too short I 221 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 6: s Q. 222 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: But then Chellino came along and we flipped like that 223 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: was it. Challino Chelino Sanchez was powerful because he was 224 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: just a regular person, an immigrant who came from poverty, 225 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: who became a symbol of greatness for people who saw 226 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: themselves in his story. Even though his lifetime was defined 227 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: by violence. I mean, Chelino was internationally famous, and still 228 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: he was killed basically in broad daylight, and his murder 229 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: was never solved. To my community in La Chelino was 230 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: really like a tupac or a biggie. His death mattered 231 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: to us on that level, and it sparked all these theories, 232 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: all these legends about who he was, why he died, 233 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: who killed him, and what was on that death note, 234 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: And each theory creates branches of Chaelino's legend, like the 235 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: buzz was and they killed him and for being a 236 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: big dog dealer. 237 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 7: He died for practicing his art form, and it had 238 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 7: something to do with some ladies that he got mixed 239 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 7: up with. 240 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 9: Was it a fan, was it a situation with a 241 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 9: family member? Was it the narco culture in the city. 242 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 6: And immediately people started saying that one of the cartels, 243 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 6: Sinaloa Cartel, had sent a hit man. 244 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: Challino's life is really hard to pin down. There are 245 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: so many rumors that it's hard to separate fact from fiction. 246 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: But this season on Ilo, Alex and I will be 247 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: taking a deep dive into some of the main theories 248 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: about his death, where they come from, how they are 249 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: shaped by an intersection of urban legend and real life events, 250 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: and also how they fueled Challino's legacy and help them 251 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: bridge cultures across generations. 252 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 9: I think it also gave a lot of people, especially 253 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 9: Sina luences in La especially people from small towns in Mexico, 254 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 9: this sense of being themselves and being proud of where 255 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 9: they were coming from and wearing it proudly. 256 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: And we'll tell you how Challino helped invent the narco 257 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: corrido and for better or worse, how he was part 258 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: of the evolution of narcocodura today. 259 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 7: He was still towards the end of that early quote 260 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 7: unquote glory period where narco corrillos were about drug they 261 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 7: weren't about violence. 262 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: We are going to take you on a journey through 263 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Challino's life and across those generations by talking to musicians, 264 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: writers and artists who were inspired by Cellino, and hopefully 265 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: in that process we're gonna find some answers that untangle 266 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: the myth from the man. 267 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 9: You know, he's become this like folk figure. 268 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: You know this legend. I'll tell you right now. We 269 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: never found out what was on that death note, but 270 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: ultimately it didn't even matter. Like some character in a 271 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: narco corrido he might have written, Chelino Sancho seemed destined 272 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: to die, and this season on Ilo, we're gonna tell 273 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: you why. Coming up next episode of Ilo, Challino's story 274 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: starts in the nineteen seventies in Mexico, in the narco 275 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: capital of the world, Juliacan, Sinaloa, where shootouts were so 276 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: common that a fifteen year old kid could throw down 277 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: with the local mob boss. This leads us to the 278 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: first legendary theory about Challino's murder. 279 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 6: And then there's a field of which Charlino took part. 280 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 6: You have family fields that have lasted generations. 281 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 5: Rumor has it that Charlino shot and killed the man, 282 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 5: so with a bunch of other run ins and problems, 283 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 5: he ended up having to flee his hometown. So he 284 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 5: ended up going to La. 285 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: That's on the next episode of Idolo, The Ballad of 286 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: Chelino Sanchez. Oh, by the way, hear this theme song. 287 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: We did something kind of dope. We had a corrido 288 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: about Challino Sanchez made for the show, and each episode 289 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: there will be a different verse summarizing each theory about 290 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: his death. Make sure you stay to the end of 291 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: each episode to hear it. 292 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: Boy Daru Corrigo, the Norem El Renarco Corrigo sus. 293 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 8: Casiona cants go lad Love Begin Love, Aula sin al 294 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 8: Dalia present, Hey, look around, they look at I came 295 00:22:46,880 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 8: out unable Arma Losander's na. 296 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: This podcast is written and recorded by Eric Lindo, Alejandro Mendoza, 297 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: and Juan Diego Ramirez. It's edited by Marlon Bishop and 298 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: Godman Gratol with help from Rodrigo Crespo. Editing helped this 299 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: episode from Sophia Balisa Carr's produced by Juans and Leanna 300 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: Ruiz with help from Nicole Rothwell, Evelen Rive and Angelina 301 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: Masher Salazar. Executive producers for Sondo Media by Jazmine Rometo 302 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: and Joshua Weinstein, for Potudo Studios by Marlon Bishop and 303 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: for Sinmelo by Eric Delendo. Sound designed and mixing by 304 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: Manuel Barra. Original music by Hector Fernandez with the help 305 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: of Alex Mendoza, Carmen Graterol, Jazmine Rometo, myself, Eric Lindo 306 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: and Juan Diego Ramirez. Performed by Simon de Mosle, Javier Zavalletta, 307 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: Junior Arismendi, Heardo Alberan and Leonardo Cano. Ak Quinto Surdo. 308 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: Music supervision by Big Sink Special thanks to Morgane Chappo 309 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: and the King of Corrido's documentary and Simon de Moxle. 310 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: Aschelino Sanchez, I'm your host, Eric Lindo, He's out.