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Speaker 1: we nothing changed. We It's called civil disobedience. We civilly

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Speaker 1: disobedience is the most powerful tool of change. But I've

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Speaker 1: I I appreciate you taking the time, and uh like,

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Speaker 1: so we'll push for mass adoption and build this alternative system.

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Speaker 1: you thanks so much. By hey, if you this episode

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Speaker 1: of the Market Disruptors podcast, please help us take this

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you listening and I'll see you next

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