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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. It is a Thursday, We

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Speaker 1: are live, and it is The Herd. Tom Brady will

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Speaker 1: stop by the show in a couple hours from now.

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Speaker 1: One hour exactly from now, Greg Cosell stops by. And

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Speaker 1: I was thinking this morning as we get ready for

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Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football, our second Thursday Night game. Last Thursday,

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Speaker 1: it was the Cowboys almost beating the Philadelphia Eagles, the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champs. If ceedee Lamb catches that perfect beatball

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Speaker 1: by Dak, they do beat them in my opinion. So

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Speaker 1: tonight we don't get a struggling icon franchise in the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. This Thursday, we get the best franchise in

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Speaker 1: the NFL arguably and maybe not even arguably in the

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Speaker 1: last thirty years, the Green Bay Packers, and I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about that. So the Packers are again, what

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Speaker 1: else is new at home and favored on a big

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Speaker 1: national TV game? And you know, I was thinking this morning,

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Speaker 1: I live close to Green Bay. Now I'll get up

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Speaker 1: there eventually. But they've dominated the NFL since Brett Farb arrived,

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Speaker 1: Farvin Rogers twenty five years, fifteen division titles. Now suddenly

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Speaker 1: the Lions over the last couple of years, new coach,

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Speaker 1: new GM, new culture. You know, they build that thing

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Speaker 1: up in the last couple of years. Back to back

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Speaker 1: division titles. There's a new sheriff in town. No, actually,

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Speaker 1: you watched Week one. The Lions made a mistake on

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Speaker 1: coordinator hires. They maybe third to fourth, and green Bay

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Speaker 1: is back on top. That's the way it always works.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's had good years. We always overinflate the Bears' chances. Ooh,

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Speaker 1: Detroit's really now going to own the future and green

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Speaker 1: Bays back on top. First of all, they've become the

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Speaker 1: only NFL franchise that has hit home run, home run,

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Speaker 1: get far who's a bit of a reclamation project. Rogers

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Speaker 1: first round fell to him and Jordan Love, but they

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Speaker 1: didn't have to give up massive draft capital and bought

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Speaker 1: them out to get them. That was kind of like

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Speaker 1: Danny Ainge and the Celtics, We're going to rebuild and

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Speaker 1: still be viable. And yet today and then tonight as

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Speaker 1: you watch as the league has pivoted to offense, and

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Speaker 1: franchises like the Bears and the Steelers that are iconic

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Speaker 1: can't figure out offense. No team in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five has more tight end wide receiver talent

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Speaker 1: on rookie contracts that can all play. And you'll see

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Speaker 1: it tonight. Since nineteen add it up over thirty years,

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Speaker 1: the Packers are number one in the NFL in winning

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Speaker 3: Be able to get top done and go one and

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Speaker 3: on in the North is a you know, the start

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Speaker 3: we wanted right there. But big picture, I mean it starts,

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Speaker 3: it all starts with NFC North. So to have a

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Speaker 3: just picture for us right now is you know, super

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Speaker 3: So we got to go out there and you know,

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Speaker 1: Packers tonight in a close one, so you know we do.

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Speaker 1: We do a lot of predictions on a week to week,

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Speaker 1: like Blazing five, and I got Colin right and wrong

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Speaker 1: on Monday. I usually say what I'm about to talk

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Speaker 1: about for Mondays right and wrong. But big picture predictions

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Speaker 1: the one that got the most pushback this year. As

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Speaker 1: I said, I think San Francisco's gonna finish third in

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Speaker 1: And the reason I gave was not because Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: of Fame talent. I said, this is an organization Number one,

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Speaker 1: five weeks my first NFL Macro prediction that looks right.

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Speaker 1: So you generally don't start a season with injuries and

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Speaker 1: It's hard to find, especially an offense, a Packer early

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Speaker 1: And that's what worried to me about San Francisco, not

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Speaker 1: drafting quarterbacks that can't work, draft kickers in the third round.

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Speaker 1: That's why. By the way, the Lions last year had

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Speaker 1: time decisions. Mac Jones will be the starter, Yes, that

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Speaker 4: Mag knows how to play the position. He can play

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Speaker 4: a lot of good film from the NFL. With experience

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Speaker 1: So Green Bay tonight favored, as they should be. Greg

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Speaker 1: Everybody. After the Kleb Williams loss on Monday in a

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Speaker 1: pretty bad second half is opining on Well, it's not

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Speaker 1: tried to be optimistic. I thought he outplayed JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: for the first two quarters, absolutely and maybe the third.

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Speaker 1: He got out played in the fourth, the most important quarter, obviously.

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Speaker 1: But the numbers are not playing the Kleb Williams favor.

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Speaker 1: So I read this in Yahoo Sports this morning. In

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Speaker 1: the last take last year and Week one of this year,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams leads every NFL quarterback with fifty two incompletions

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Speaker 1: due to overthrows, so too much horsepower overthrowing the ball.

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Speaker 1: He's forty eight percent higher in one year, in one

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Speaker 1: worst in the league in the operational stuff. You gotta

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Speaker 1: have a good foundation before you build a cool kitchen.

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Speaker 1: Pre snap penalties they had four eight offensive penalties. Here's

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Speaker 1: more damning news. A lot of people in Chicago were saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, it might as well just be justin fields. No,

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Speaker 1: Completion percentage is sixty two for both. Passing yards about

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Speaker 1: it's not working well for me. He completed just sixty

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Speaker 1: more Brian Flores for a while, but all the numbers

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Speaker 6: He really struggles with the operation still and the getting

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Speaker 6: And this is year two. I still believe in Caleb

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Speaker 6: Williams's long term, but I think it is going to

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Speaker 6: be a much slower process than I had hoped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen, short passes, overthrows operation former Bears

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Speaker 1: comp is not good. And to make it worse, Detroit

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Speaker 1: just got humiliated in week one at Green Bay. And

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Speaker 1: what is our rule on this show. Teams with competent

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Speaker 1: head coaches and quarterbacks that gets humiliated almost always have

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Speaker 1: of practice. And Jared Goff at least has the operational

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Speaker 1: stuff down. Here's j Mack with the news. Turn on

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Speaker 7: Let's get started with Aaron Rodgers, the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. Hey,

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Speaker 7: he had a good game, so we'll continue to talk

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Speaker 7: about him. However, he is playing the Seahawks this week.

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Speaker 7: It's gonna be tough. Rogers spoke about that Jets performance

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Speaker 7: and said there was one area he hopes to improve.

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Speaker 8: better job. But using my legs. You know, I might

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Speaker 7: Spry in the pocket. Colin, come on, Hey, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I like Seattle, it's not it's not one of my

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Speaker 1: He's washed. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: It was one gig.

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Speaker 7: Next movie on Big Game on Fox.

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Speaker 7: Ben Johnson, your guy heads back to Detroit to take

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Speaker 1: As soon as Ben walks in there we're booing him.

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Speaker 7: Like that?

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Speaker 1: Is not you? Dog? Like? I know you?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 10: Stop acting like this, man, Bro, I want to be

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Speaker 1: Noah, Bro, you don't Ben Now, Bro, it's all turn Bro,

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Speaker 7: And I'm sorry Bears fans, that's true, there is a disconnect.

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Speaker 7: you that Tyler Dunn story, Like, if you read that,

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Speaker 1: Are you sure, well, it's interest because Ben was the

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Speaker 1: Rabel was going to go back to New England. Jets

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I said before, they're very rarely. Like

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Speaker 1: Those are like way better than that Nick Seriani got.

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Speaker 1: You know Howie Roseman. Five out of six head coaching

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Speaker 1: So you didn't think quarterback was the issue. You thought

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Speaker 7: I'll just say this, I'm on the Lions this week.

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Speaker 7: on Detroit. If somehow the Lions lose this game and

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Speaker 7: are now zero to two, Colin, I think you can

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Speaker 7: officially start like, hey, you know, maybe Dan Campbell wasn't

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Speaker 7: I think there's some low key pressure on Detroit to

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Speaker 1: Better look good, Colin.

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Speaker 7: If they don't, I'm just telling you, the Lions could

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Speaker 7: be the show opener on Monday for losing the Caleb

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Speaker 7: Final story. New York Giants rough Week one and there

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Speaker 7: Look at the video and listen, Neighbors can say what

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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

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Speaker 9: My eyes don't lie.

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Speaker 10: I was trying to get the offense going. I was

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Speaker 10: the lights was on, the game was on. You know,

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Speaker 10: it's something to play. I feel like they just got

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Speaker 10: It's just I got an NBAF, I got a natural phase.

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Speaker 7: This is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that. That's funny.

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Speaker 7: But Colin, you can't deny it. He looks at his

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Speaker 1: Look at it. Well on Brian's a lot. I think

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Speaker 1: I mean he gets worked up.

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Speaker 7: Way, we're in a lying era where people just say

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Speaker 7: was like, yeah, there's nothing to see here, with urts

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Speaker 7: like come on, stop, don't lie to me, Brian Dabele,

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Speaker 7: like neighbors, there was something there. It'd be like Tyreek

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Speaker 7: Hill and I think we may talk.

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Speaker 1: About him later.

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Speaker 7: Like he's on the sideline complaining and then he's trying

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Speaker 1: No uh Jmack with the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by the line news. Sometimes you know,

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, we all know this. It's really a

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Speaker 1: GM's important. So it was a left tackle and an

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you go back to you know, you

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Speaker 1: go back to Elway and Shanahan and Aikman and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Because my take was Tom was so precise and so

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Speaker 1: City right now, obviously there's going to be potentially AJ

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Speaker 1: Brown on the market, Tyreek Hill in the market. Usually

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Speaker 1: I'm not great at predicting acquisitions, but tyreek Hill a veteran,

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown a veteran. Could I see New England going

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Speaker 1: after him? Now? I think AJ Brown to New England

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Speaker 1: with Rabel's a better fit. They really need a number one.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at Kansas City's regression, it is

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Speaker 1: starting to feel like Steph Ann Brady struggling to implement

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Speaker 1: young people with a smart coach Belichick and Steve Kern

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Speaker 1: and Andy Reid and a very meticulous veteran quarterback. For

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Speaker 1: the record, when Lebron went to Miami, who do you

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Speaker 1: want to play with? Old d Wade, old Chris Bosh

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Speaker 1: or older? He went to Cleveland, he didn't want to

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Speaker 1: play with Andrew Wiggins. He wanted to get Kevin Love

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Speaker 1: in the building. You know. When he went to the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis had been in the league. He wasn't a

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Speaker 1: fan of Kyle Kuzma. He wasn't a fan of Lonzo Ball.

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Speaker 1: These old, high functioning players with incredibly high standards. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Lebron's one of the smartest players. Mahomes, Brady, Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: they struggle. They often struggle with young teammates. So it's

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Speaker 1: interesting when I'm sitting there looking for Brett Veach, I'd

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Speaker 1: probably get Tyreek killing AJ Brown. I'd probably get their

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Speaker 1: agents on the phone. I know those will work. I

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Speaker 1: know those guys will work. I would keep your eye

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Speaker 1: keep your eye on AJ Brown in New England. They

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Speaker 1: need a one. By the way, they're a very young team.

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Speaker 1: They could use some veteran leadership or veteran presence in

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Speaker 1: the locker room with AJ Brown. Just a thought. Diana

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Speaker 1: Russini around the corner, Greg Cosell. Top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady stops by as well. We're live. It's the Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon eastern non a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: All sorts of things to talk about. Greg Cosel started

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Speaker 1: next hour. Diana Russini is joining us, the athletics senior

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Speaker 1: NFL insider is joining us, and we are grateful for that.

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Speaker 1: On a Thursday. So let's start with the Brock party

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Speaker 1: situation with Mac Jones. Now, remember Shanahan liked mac Jones

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Speaker 1: at a college and they went and got him in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: So that's not the issue. He likes this quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: the Brock pretty stuff, and he's been dinged up toes, elbows, shoulders.

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Speaker 1: I mean yesterday it was oh no, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be five weeks. Like what are you hearing in terms

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Speaker 1: of timeline in return, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: It's definitely a form of turf toe.

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Speaker 11: Apparently there's different definitions of it. But he's expected to

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Speaker 11: miss at least two games. I was not told that

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Speaker 11: it would be up to five. Of course, it could

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Speaker 11: always be. It's all based on that recovery. But it

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Speaker 11: was a bit of a surprise injury on Monday when

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Speaker 11: that popped up. And I can tell you know, it's

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Speaker 11: interesting you talk about insiders and chatter around the league.

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Speaker 11: I talked to the Saints on Monday, and they already

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Speaker 11: knew about it. They were already prepping for mac Jones.

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Speaker 11: So we're spreading around the league quickly. And then of

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Speaker 11: course Kyle Shanahan came out and spoke to the media publicly.

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Speaker 11: And you know, he's always been very transparent about what's

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Speaker 11: going on with his team in terms of injuries. He's

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Speaker 11: probably the best at it in football. But you know,

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Speaker 11: he's dealing with the shoulder. But the foot is excuse me,

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Speaker 11: the toe is the issue. So we'll see it and Colin.

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Speaker 9: We've we've seen it before.

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Speaker 11: We've seen quarterbacks get shot up before, you know, before games.

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Speaker 9: It's pain.

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Speaker 11: But also you got to look at the forty nine

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Speaker 11: ers situation, right now, George Kittle is on IR. Christian

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Speaker 11: McCaffrey was dealing obviously with a little bit of that

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Speaker 11: calf situation last week. The injury bug is swarming them again,

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Speaker 11: and it's only you know, week two here, So I

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Speaker 11: think the fact that it's so early in the season

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Speaker 11: is at least keeping them calm there.

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Speaker 9: This isn't ideal, you know.

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Speaker 11: I someone in football asked me, you know, you've been

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Speaker 11: around the Niners a lot, You've seen them in training camp.

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Speaker 11: You know what do they do different? It seems that

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Speaker 11: injuries hit them all the time, and I don't I

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Speaker 11: don't have an answer, Like, I don't know why it's

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Speaker 11: the forty nine ers, but lately it just seems like

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Speaker 11: they're the ones dealing with a lot of situations.

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Speaker 9: A quarterback that just got paid a boatload of money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the Niners and the Ravens have had injuries

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Speaker 1: over the last five years, and they're two of the

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Speaker 1: most physical run games. So maybe some of it's that

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Speaker 1: they have harder practices. And I want to pivot to

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Speaker 1: this though, there is something with the Chargers. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: if the Chiefs lose at home to the Eagles, they're

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Speaker 1: ower and two, it's not in desperation time, but the

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Speaker 1: numbers drop down to only twelve percent of oh to

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Speaker 1: two teams make the playoffs. Okay, so my take is

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown one target in Week one, Tyreek Hill in Miami,

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Speaker 1: I think is unsolvable and they have a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: issue is I mean, it seems to me Howie Roseman

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Speaker 1: gets Tank bigsby a wide receiver before the season, they

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Speaker 1: went and got dots in last year when the AJ

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Speaker 1: drama was heating up. I feel like Howie Roseman is

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Speaker 1: creating depth in the offense by last year to today,

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Speaker 1: knowing he may have to move Aj Brown. So Aj Brown,

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Speaker 1: I'm Tyreek Hill in the Chiefs. Can I connect the

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Speaker 1: dots at all?

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Speaker 8: There?

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Speaker 9: It's a cute idea.

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Speaker 11: I don't necessarily think it's true, though, I know what

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Speaker 11: you're thinking.

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Speaker 9: Right, So Howie moves with purpose.

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Speaker 11: I think he's proven that, right, nine trades in twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty five, Right, he's done that, And every afternoon I

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Speaker 11: feel like we're reporting something new and he's doing it

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Speaker 11: with positions that I didn't even know there was a

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Speaker 11: need for, you know, in the latest trade that he

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Speaker 11: made recently, He's never worried about winning the trade either.

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Speaker 11: I think that's important to state, right because I've had

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Speaker 11: a lot of conversations of the years with organizations who

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Speaker 11: are obsessed with winning the headline the next day, and

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Speaker 11: we both know how that works out.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't matter, nobody cares. It's are you.

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Speaker 11: Able to get the players immediately step in and make

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Speaker 11: a difference and put your team in a position to win.

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Speaker 11: Now that being said, I know there were teams calling

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Speaker 11: about AJ Brown during the off season. Okay, so they

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Speaker 11: the teams are told they're not moving AJ okay, And

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Speaker 11: it wasn't like a hey, let's keep talking, is.

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Speaker 9: A no thanks? This is AJ Brown.

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Speaker 11: He's one of the top five wide receivers in football,

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Speaker 11: top three. We're not moving him. I have a hard

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Speaker 11: time imagining Howie Roseman moving him. Tyreek Hill, different situation.

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Speaker 11: Are they moving Tyreek Hill right now?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 11: TUA needs him, Mike McDaniel needs him. This offense needs

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Speaker 11: Tyreek Hill. But depending on what happens come October, right

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Speaker 11: before the trade deadline, the first week in November, all right,

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Speaker 11: then we'll talk about that because things will possibly change there.

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Speaker 11: But I think in terms of these Ace receivers. Both teams,

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Speaker 11: both offenses need them right now.

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Speaker 1: So I know it's early, but outside of Miami, the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants were the toughest watch and next year's

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Speaker 1: quarterback draft class looks like there's four minimum five to

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Speaker 1: six potential first round quarterbacks. So my opinion would be,

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Speaker 1: you better figure out if Jackson Dark can play, you

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Speaker 1: better figure it out. And I made the argument, I

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Speaker 1: think Monday or Tuesday, if the Giants trail fourteen to

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Speaker 1: nothing in half and have four three and outs, you're

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Speaker 1: going to start losing the locker room. And now, now,

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Speaker 1: if they go to Dallas and they play well, all

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Speaker 1: bets are off and Russell buys himself time. But when

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Speaker 1: the Giants say Russell is quarterback one, do you buy it?

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Speaker 1: What's the runway look like here?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I did buy it because I was around them and

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Speaker 11: the offense looked good with Russell in training camp, and

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Speaker 11: the coaching staff felt good. This wasn't a scenario where

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Speaker 11: remember when Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes was there, and

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Speaker 11: remember all the chatter about Patrick at practice.

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Speaker 9: It was like you got to see this kid, like,

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Speaker 9: I think he.

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Speaker 11: May play, right, Look, I think Jackson Dark has impressed.

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Speaker 11: There is no doubt. I think his personality, his fiery energy,

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Speaker 11: he's understanding of Brian.

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Speaker 9: I think they're a wonderful Matt. I think they're a

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Speaker 9: perfect match. In fact, I.

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Speaker 11: Just think for the way training camp went, they're trying

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Speaker 11: to get Jackson Dart as prepared as possible and Russell

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Speaker 11: Wilson is able to do the job from there, you know,

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Speaker 11: from from their perspective right now, he can run the

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Speaker 11: offense they're looking for. They're of course missing their left tackle.

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Speaker 11: Right this is the biggest part of this story. Why

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Speaker 11: are you going to roll out Jackson Dart if you're

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Speaker 11: not going to give him the best protection because he's

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Speaker 11: just gonna get hit and it's not gonna look good.

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Speaker 9: He's not even gonna be able to run the offense.

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Speaker 11: Just has Daniel Jones right look at him and Indy,

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Speaker 11: but he's got some protection. Uh you know, he lights

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Speaker 11: it up week one. So look, I think Jet we're

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Speaker 11: going to see Jackson dark Collin. That is no doubt

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Speaker 11: we're going to see them, especially if Russell Wilson continues

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Speaker 11: to play.

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Speaker 9: Like whatever that was. And I have to tell you

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Speaker 9: I was a little surprised. Look We've had a million

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Speaker 9: conversations on the show.

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Speaker 11: Together about Russell Wilson, whether it was in Denver and

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Speaker 11: Pittsburgh last year, but there were times where we did

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Speaker 11: see good things and I understand what New York was

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Speaker 11: seeing out of Russ. They love that qu quarterback room.

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Speaker 11: They love putting Jackson Dart around, Jaenis around Russell. Apparently

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Speaker 11: it's a type of quarterback room of let's get the

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Speaker 11: young guy ready, which which you know is a good

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Speaker 11: way to be knowing that he's going to play.

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Speaker 9: It's just going to be a matter of when.

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Speaker 11: And Colin, whenever we talk about this stuff, it's not

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Speaker 11: just in a vacuum of who's going to be the

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Speaker 11: best quarterback out there. You have to count the fact

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Speaker 11: that Brian Dable is on the hot seat, Joe Shane

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Speaker 11: is on the hot seat. John Merrick came out last

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Speaker 11: year and it pained him to bring these guys back

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Speaker 11: because he didn't want change. So you have to imagine

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Speaker 11: some of this is a factor in when you pull

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Speaker 11: the trigger and say, because look, Brian Dabele calls in

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Speaker 11: Jackson Dart at the second half against the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 11: because they.

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Speaker 9: Need a spark.

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Speaker 11: Any bombs or they have to stick with him who

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Speaker 11: knows what happens, right, So I think all of this

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Speaker 11: you have to take into consideration for a team in

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Speaker 11: the last ten years, you know, is one of the

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Speaker 11: most losing organizations, you know, outside the Jags, which is

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Speaker 11: hard to It's hard to think of that, right because

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Speaker 11: you think Giants, and you think that they've had success,

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Speaker 11: but it was so long ago at this point, you know,

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Speaker 11: and then you just take a look at the body

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Speaker 11: of work with Brian Deable there and outside of just

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Speaker 11: that first season, it's just not great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Diana Rassini, senior NFL insider of The Athletic got

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Speaker 1: a podcast too. It crushes good senior.

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Speaker 11: Thanks yeah, Colin. Check out my column too on the Athletic.

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Speaker 11: I drop it at ten am Eastern on Saturdays.

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Speaker 9: I love.

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Speaker 11: It's my favorite thing I do, just right about all

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Speaker 11: the stuff going on in football.

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Speaker 1: I will, we will thank thanks love you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Greg co Sell top of the hour. You know,

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Speaker 1: J Mackett, I want to throw this up again. So

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Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, I think you and I

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Speaker 1: both would rather be positive than negative, especially with young

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks because when you watch Cam Ward play against Denver,

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Speaker 1: it's exciting. Like I was like, oh, we got another team.

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Speaker 1: I mean they've had Marcus Marioti and you know the

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Speaker 1: late Steve McNair. I mean they've they've had guys that

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Speaker 1: can move the change. Ryan Tannehill had a couple of

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Speaker 1: good years. But you watch cam Ward and it was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my, I think I think Tennessee has a chance

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Speaker 1: to upset the Rams this weekend. So people will be

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Speaker 1: watching this game now because you know the Rams are,

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Speaker 1: you know, fairly high profile. Stafford McVeigh. But I remember

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Speaker 1: saying this on the air. I didn't think. I was

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Speaker 1: not a fan of Mitch Trubisky as a draft pick.

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Speaker 1: I've told the story. Greg Cosell told me to watch

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Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky his last year at North Carolina. He goes,

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Speaker 1: he's going to get drafted, He's moving up the board.

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Speaker 1: What do you think. I was in Hawaii with my family.

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Speaker 1: I watched and I texted Greg Cosell. I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't get it. Bald dies at twenty five yards. He's

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Speaker 1: kind of athletic. I don't see it. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But I always defended Matt Nagy, the head coach, and

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Speaker 1: I said time out. Stafford, Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: were in their prime in that division, and Trubisky twice

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Speaker 1: got to the playoffs with Matt Naggy. So I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't like Trubisky, but I think Matt Naggi can coach.

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Speaker 1: But when I put those numbers out, we can put

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Speaker 1: a up again. Through the first eighteen starts of Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams and Mitch Trubisky, they are, outside of sacks, the

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Speaker 1: same player as athletic, but you don't trust their accuracy

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Speaker 1: on big throws. I mean, it's in dispute. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I've only got one game of Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: give me five to six more. But I mean, when

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Speaker 1: I looked at those numbers this morning the staff handed

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Speaker 1: me those numbers, I was like, forget Justin Field's come.

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Speaker 7: I mean, listen, some of that is that cheery picked maybe,

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Speaker 7: but you're right, this is alarming. I mean, Maserati, Mitch, like,

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Speaker 7: I know you said he got to the playoffs twice. Listen,

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Speaker 7: he never really won from the pocket.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 9: He's a run around guy. That was the era when

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Speaker 9: everybody wanted running.

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Speaker 7: Quarterback, and I think we got to look at like

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Speaker 7: a guy like Kim Ward, like he is mobile, but man,

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Speaker 7: he can win from the pocket.

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Speaker 2: I like him a lot.

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Speaker 7: And there's another guy starting this week, Matt Jones for

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Speaker 7: the for the forty nine ers. Remember I'm in college,

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Speaker 7: but I was like, oh, he's dominant from the pocket,

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Speaker 7: but he's kind of a statue. He's like slow, So

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Speaker 7: I didn't personally like him. And you're seeing now he's

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Speaker 7: getting a shot with the Niners. So this idea of

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Speaker 7: having a running quarterback is great. But number one, they've

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Speaker 7: got a process and win from the pocket. And I

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Speaker 7: haven't seen that from Caleb yet. I'm not saying we won't.

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Speaker 7: I just haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's what Nick Right and I talked about yesterday.

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Speaker 1: You have to be operationally buttoned up, like I thought.

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Speaker 1: Bone Nicks and Sean Payton took the blame on this.

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Speaker 1: Bone Nicks operationally for Denver in Week one did not

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Speaker 1: look It looked like he was rushing everything. And my

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Speaker 1: take Monday was, I think they put way too much

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Speaker 1: on his plate. They have not put that much stuff

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Speaker 1: on the plate of Caleb Williams. I mean, Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: has a legendary reputation of just stacking. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: if he thinks you can learn it. Remember, he and

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson had a problem because Russell didn't want to

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Speaker 1: wear the armband. He didn't want to wear that, and

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Speaker 1: Shawn's yet wear it, and Russell didn't like. You know

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Speaker 1: why didn't Russell want to wear it. Probably because it

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Speaker 1: looks like he doesn't know the play. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but he pushed back and Sean's like, wear it, so

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Speaker 1: and Brady wore it. I don't have a problem with it.

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Speaker 1: But if you can't get the nuts and bolts and

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Speaker 1: the operation down, it doesn't matter, you know. You know what,

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Speaker 1: when I watched Caleb in that first drive, it was

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Speaker 1: very much Cam Newton. Cam Newton was jaw droppingly talented,

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Speaker 1: and I watched that Roma Dunze throw and he ran

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Speaker 1: for a touchdown. I said, that's Cam. Like, Cam was

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Speaker 1: like the best college quarterback I've seen, maybe ever in

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Speaker 1: terms of total dominance, and Caleb had a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: But man, there's a reason that Cam never had back

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Speaker 1: to back winning seasons as mechanics and operations and self

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Speaker 1: indulgence and distraction, and this this position is so hard,

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Speaker 1: and there are so many boxes to check.

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Speaker 7: And you know what the Lions want to do. They're

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Speaker 7: gonna be blitzing Caleb heavily. Get him off the spot,

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Speaker 7: get him running around like a chicken with his head

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Speaker 7: cut off, and let him make stakes.

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Speaker 1: Greg coach Shell Our two bits to hurt

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