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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your

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Speaker 1: host today Emily Simpson with my sidekick Shane Shane. So

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Speaker 1: we are going to discuss it is a new series

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Speaker 1: on Hulu called Friends Like These and actually I was

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Speaker 1: thinking when I watched it, I kind of love that

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Speaker 1: we're doing it now as far as the timeline is concerned,

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Speaker 1: because if you didn't listen to our last episode, we

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Speaker 1: did it on what was called The Scream Murders, which

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Speaker 1: really focused on these teenagers and Idaho. And now this

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Speaker 1: new Hulu series is called Friends Like These and it's

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Speaker 1: the Murder of Skylar Nice, and again we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: teenagers and a heinous teenage murder, but we're moving over

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Speaker 1: to West Virginia. So I think it's interesting that we're

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Speaker 1: doing these podcasts back to back because really there's a

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Speaker 1: lot when I was watching it and researching it and

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Speaker 1: thinking about it, there's a lot of contrast. So let's

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Speaker 1: get into it. So Skyler Nice was a sixteen year

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Speaker 1: old from Star City, West Virginia, and she disappeared on

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Speaker 1: July fifth, twenty twelve, after sneaking out of her bedroom

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Speaker 1: to meet some friends. Four months investigators believed that she

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Speaker 1: may have run away, but the case took a shocking

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Speaker 1: turn in January of twenty thirteen when one of her

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Speaker 1: best friends her name was Rachel Schoff, confessed that she

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Speaker 1: and Skuyler's best friend from childhood, Sheila Eddie, had murdered her.

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Speaker 1: The two teens had lured Skyler to a remote wooded

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Speaker 1: area in Pennsylvania and stabbed her to death. All Right,

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Speaker 1: So that's the brief synopsis of what we're dealing with here.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about sixteen year old girls and a lot

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Speaker 1: of this documentary and a lot of their in the documentary,

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Speaker 1: their relationship. You could see it play out on social

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Speaker 1: media because I've never been a big fan of Twitter,

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Speaker 1: Like I've never really I've tweeted a couple things. Now

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Speaker 1: it's not Twitter, it's ex But during this time period,

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Speaker 1: I guess these teens really communicate. They used to like

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Speaker 1: a diary, like they would just play We're in twenty twelve, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then in twenty thirteen, when is when it solved.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's when Twitter was you know, is

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Speaker 2: that when it first came out, I was picking up

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Speaker 2: a lot of traffic traffic, so maybe it was, you know,

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Speaker 2: they just caught onto it and they were kind of easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So these girls were all using it. To me,

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Speaker 1: it was almost like a like a diary because it

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Speaker 1: would just be lots of entries during the day, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, like feeling sad, she's a bee,

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Speaker 1: I can't stand her lived there and they would always

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Speaker 1: post their emotions. So anyway, let's get to let's get

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Speaker 1: to a timeline. Let's talk about Skyler. So Skyler was

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Speaker 1: born on February tenth in nineteen ninety six, and she

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Speaker 1: was born to Dave and Mary Nice. Now, both parents

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Speaker 1: are interviewed in this documentary, which I I give them

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Speaker 1: so much credit for being able to not only live

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Speaker 1: through what they lived through, not knowing for so many

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Speaker 1: months what happened to their daughter living through a tryll,

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Speaker 1: and then now having to resurface it all in a documentary.

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Speaker 2: Interview for them, or maybe they feel that they're keeping

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Speaker 2: their daughter's name, you know, kind of out there and

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Speaker 2: kind of what she went through.

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Speaker 1: You know, I will tell you Dave, the father, Skuyler's dad, Dave,

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Speaker 1: he reminded me very much of when we talked about

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Speaker 1: child that was adopted, and then we talked about how

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Speaker 1: you could see the physical and mental decline of his dad,

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Speaker 1: and then when they interviewed him, you could tell him

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Speaker 1: it took a toll on him. Dave reminded me that

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Speaker 1: was a very that was similar to me too, because Dave,

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Speaker 1: when they showed earlier photos of him, he just looked

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Speaker 2: He was only like twelve years ago, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just you could tell that it's just

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Speaker 1: taken such a toll on this man, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's just so horrific. But anyway, I could see the

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Speaker 1: grief and these two fathers and mothers, the mothers. The

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Speaker 1: mother said too. But I don't know. Maybe it's because

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Speaker 1: I maybe because just personally I didn't have a dad

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Speaker 1: these fathers that are so I don't know, grieving so

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Speaker 1: much for their daughters, and you can see the emotion

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Speaker 1: emotional toll on them. I don't know. I think also

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Speaker 1: Skyler was an only child and she grew up in

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Speaker 1: And Skyler also she had hopes of eventually becoming a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: On July fifth of twenty twelve, this is the night

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Speaker 1: of her disappearance, Skyler snuck out of her bedroom and

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Speaker 1: got into sh Sheila Eddie's car. Sheila and Skyler had

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Speaker 1: been best friends since they were eight years old. I

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Speaker 1: think that's really important to remember that Sheila, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: They treated her like family. So when we're talking about

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Speaker 1: this crime. We're not talking about like a sixteen year

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Speaker 1: about someone that she had grown up with, that she'd

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Speaker 1: known her entire life. Surveillance cameras captured footage of her

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Speaker 1: entering the car, you know, with the surveillance footage, at first,

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Speaker 1: they didn't know that it was Sheila Eddie's car, though

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Speaker 1: it was very grainy. They did find the surveillance video

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Speaker 1: of the night that she got out, She left the

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Speaker 2: From the apartment complex.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she lived in an apartment with our mom and dad,

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Speaker 1: and it showed a car pull up and it showed

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Speaker 1: her getting into a car. But I believe the surveillance video.

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Speaker 1: It was a little grainy. They couldn't tell exactly like

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Speaker 2: It would be much clearer. But this is, you know, ten,

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Speaker 1: Ago, right, so twenty twelve, it was actually fourteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: So July sixth, twenty twelve, Dave Niece discovered Skyler missing

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Speaker 1: At first, Mary niece who's the mother believed their daughter

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Speaker 1: might be staying with friends or out shopping. Concern increase

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Speaker 1: later that day when Skyler failed to appear for her

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Speaker 1: got into a car. They don't know. They haven't pulled

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Speaker 1: What would if you're if you woke up tomorrow morning

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Speaker 1: Okay, besides going back to bed, she's thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I would be worried. I'd come to you and ask

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Speaker 2: That would be very worrisome. So I'd start calling, talk

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Speaker 2: had her car. Well, our daughters have a car, but

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Speaker 1: So early in the investigation, this is around. So she

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Speaker 1: disappeared in July of twenty twelve, So July to January

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, when I was talking about the

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Speaker 1: saying a lot of the people, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: I think she did your drugs. She smoked pot with

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of photos that they were showing

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Speaker 2: Good girl works hard right, studies hard and plays hard right.

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Speaker 1: So Skyler's two best friends, Sheila Eddie and Rachel Chaff.

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Speaker 1: Rachel is the redhead in this documentary, and she ends

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Speaker 1: up so we talked, so we know Skyler and Sheila

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Speaker 1: end up meeting Rachel later. I think it's teenagers, okay,

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Speaker 2: Which you always I have always told you. What have

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Speaker 2: I told you good?

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Speaker 1: It's never good. Yes, you have to have evan numbers.

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Speaker 1: I even told you that with children. That's why when

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Speaker 1: We still have three and now I'm fifty, so that

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Speaker 1: so you know, she gets out of the car and

436
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: then both of them just they attack her.

437
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 2: I remember when this took place you do. I remember

438
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 2: the news because I remember the her disappearing at night.

439
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 2: I remember the granny, And you can't forget it when

440
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 2: you hear about two girls killing their friend.

441
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: And they're all sixteen.

442
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 2: It's not like escally, it's not like we got in

443
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: a fight. No, and then you know when it got

444
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: out of control jump, But it's not any would understand

445
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: it like, oh okay, I can picture that happening and

446
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 2: people lose the control and then you know, something horrific happens.

447
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: But this is like, no, this is she's annoying, let's

448
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: kill her.

449
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: This is mean girl stuff. This is beyond it's I

450
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: mean girls stuff, all with it.

451
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Rachel initially stated that the motive was simply that they

452
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: no longer liked Skuyler. She does claim later that she

453
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: and Sheila were having a romantic relationship, that they were lesbians,

454
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: and that Skyler knew about it, and because she was

455
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: so religious, they were afraid that she would out them,

456
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: and then you know her family. So this is what

457
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: always kills me.

458
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: The murdering. Wouldn't out them.

459
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: No, the murdering's fine. This is when people are just like, you.

460
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: Know, speculation, this is legit. They had a relationship.

461
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: No, they did. There's some there's some evidence. I don't

462
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,239
Speaker 1: know there was. In the documentary it talks about how

463
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: they did fool around, they were sexually involved with each other,

464
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I mean, it's hard to

465
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: tell when girls are sixteen, is it. Are you just

466
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: experimenting and just you know, you did some drugs and

467
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: drink too much Alcohulst being wild and crazy things too.

468
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: Are you, you know, legitimately in a relationship and committed

469
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: to one another? I don't know. But initially during her confession,

470
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: she says they just didn't like Skyler, that's why they

471
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: killed her. And then later in court when she was testifying,

472
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: she claims that she's a lesbian and that they were

473
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: in a relationship ship and Skyler knew about the relationship,

474
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: and they were afraid Skyler would out her because she's

475
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: religious and her family would disapprove. But that always kills

476
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: me when you go to the like but murder, but

477
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: murder's better, Like murder's the better. That's a way to

478
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: cover it up, right, Like when you're saying I'm deeply religious.

479
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: And I know I'm guessing her family was and she

480
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: didn't want them to find out. I don't think it

481
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: was her own personal like, I'm guilty, I'm doing something wrong,

482
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: so I'm going to hide it with you know, another

483
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: wrong act. You know, my parents are going to get

484
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 2: mad at me, so I'm going to hide it. That's

485
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: what I'm guessing it was.

486
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: No, I agree with that, but I'm saying what I'm

487
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: saying when someone is so concerned because her family is

488
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: very religious and.

489
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it's like then saying they might find out,

490
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 2: they might get win that you kissed a girl, but

491
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: they won't get win that you might have murdered.

492
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so you skip your your.

493
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: Well, they did dry far away.

494
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: They went to Pennsylvania, right, they brought a shovel. After

495
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: things became known with the relationship, there was tension between us,

496
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Rachel said in her twenty twenty three testimony.

497
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: Wait, they crossed state lines. Yeah, they went to Pennsylvania offense.

498
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hostile and violent, and our teenage minds,

499
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: we didn't know how to handle the conflict and we

500
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: just wanted it to stop. So I guess in her

501
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: teenage minds, the only way that they can deal with

502
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: the conflict between Skyler, and the two of them is

503
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: just is to get rid of her. The revelation that

504
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: Rachel and Sheila had committed this act shocked investigators and

505
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: the niece family, who had trusted both girls, especially Shila.

506
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: I think that was what was so sad.

507
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: You know.

508
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: I watched the dad, you know, Skyler's dad, Dave, and

509
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: in his interview and he's saying, even after Skyler disappeared,

510
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: Sheila would continue to reach out to the family and

511
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: you know and be supportive and.

512
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: Like as if she didn't murder Skyler, right, and you.

513
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: Know, like I miss her so much, I love her,

514
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: you know. And even on Twitter it would show Sheila

515
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: posting things like come back, baby girl, and I miss

516
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: you and can't wait to see you.

517
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: Against they help them remembre like Chris Watts when he

518
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: was talking to the camera he needed acting classes. Oh yeah,

519
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: he was just like come home. Well, I would say

520
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: that he was used against them.

521
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: The two girls, these two sixteen year olds. Yeah, we're

522
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I think we're very convincing. I don't think any I

523
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: don't think people. Maybe the investigators were onto them a

524
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: little bit, but they not.

525
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: In the beginning, your first instinct is not to look

526
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: at a.

527
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: Sixteen year old girl, Yeah, who's been a friend of

528
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: the family right since they were eight years old.

529
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just female alone. Men are going to be

530
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: more of the aggressor. So you're going to look at

531
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: these drug addicts or drug dealers or whatever they were,

532
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: whoever they're partying with. I mean, you're gonna look at that.

533
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: So Rachel agreed to wear a wire and try to

534
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: get Shila to confess, but didn't get.

535
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: Why didn't she just give up her phone and show

536
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: all the texts that probably say don't forget the shovel.

537
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, I was wondering they didn't really go into

538
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: the forensics of the phone, and I kept waiting for

539
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: that part in the documentary because I thought, once they

540
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: get all this information back, there has to be text between.

541
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: Two of them then that they probably used it.

542
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: But they never said in the documentary, and I couldn't

543
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: find it when I did further research if there was

544
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: any any incriminating evidence in texts they did. They did

545
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: find blood in Sheila's car, and that's what allowed them

546
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: to arrest her because first they try the wire. So

547
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: Rachel agrees to wear a wire, so she has a

548
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: wire on and their video recording. It's at her house.

549
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: So she calls Sheila and says, Hey, I'm like, I'm

550
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: feeling nervous. I don't feel like people believe us. I

551
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: don't you know, we need to get our story straight.

552
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: She's like, can you come over? So then Sheila drives

553
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: over to Rachel's house and you see her walk in

554
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: and Rachel's sitting on the couch and Sheila walks in

555
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: and they're talking to each other and they're recording it.

556
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: There's a hidden camera and she's wired. But the problem

557
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: is she's sixteen. She's not savvy enough to know like

558
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: the questions to ask or the conversation to go into

559
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: to get her to implicate her.

560
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was the one that ran out ran away Rachel. Yeah,

561
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: of course, she's not in a right mind, probably emotionally

562
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: to kind of.

563
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Carry I mean out, she tries, So she does wear

564
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: a wire. She calls Sheila. Sheila comes over to her house,

565
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: and really, the conversation, I mean to me watching it,

566
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the conversations incriminating because she's like, I don't think they

567
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: believe us, and she's and Sheila's like, just stick to

568
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: the story, just say what we omination.

569
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it was.

570
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: But I think they wanted They wanted wanted.

571
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: To be like, I'm the one that stabbed her.

572
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: They wanted her to be like, you know, well.

573
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: They want to get as much as they can. They

574
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: got one shot, right, so they.

575
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: Got very little. They basically got her saying like, don't worry,

576
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: don't stress out, just stick to the story. You know

577
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: they'll believe us.

578
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: Right, you're right. That isn't admitting or you know, she

579
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: still has an out because if they say, well, then

580
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: that means you murder, she'd be like, no, sticking the

581
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: story was right. We did some drugs and then she disappeared,

582
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: and we didn't want our family know we did drugs,

583
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: so we stuck to the story of whatever.

584
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted her to say, we got knives and

585
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: we stabbed her in the back and we killed her

586
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: and then we hid the body.

587
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: And I know, I wonder do we know what Rachel

588
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: said then, because I would think things like like, well,

589
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: it's wrong that we murdered her, we shouldn't have done that,

590
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: and then then they might start talking about the murderer

591
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: like it's fine, we'll never get caught and things like that.

592
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I was wondering because

593
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: they didn't really go into detail to this part. They

594
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: just basically were like, Rachel confessed and then Rachel agreed

595
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: to wear a wire. But I was wondering how much

596
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: they prepped her before she wore a wire so that

597
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: she was better. But they also kept telling it. They

598
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: also kept telling her to act natural, you know, because

599
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: I get it. They you can't be like, sit there

600
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: and let me let's check about QEW cards. Yes, She's

601
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: like waituh go.

602
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: On the back of it says police department, official, police

603
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: department exactly.

604
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: So it's like, on one hand, they're coaching her and

605
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: they're telling her just be organic, be natural, just like

606
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: what would you normally do because they don't want her,

607
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want Shila to catch on. But

608
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: then with the whole act natural part, like they didn't

609
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: really get much right.

610
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: That's when they should have bugged the phones or something right,

611
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: or taped the phones, because then you can have like

612
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: in Scott Peterson and stuff, they were tapping Amber Fray's

613
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: home phone, and so it was over a period of time.

614
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: Because you're not on one phone call going to get

615
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: the he may not get the confession, so maybe it

616
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: should be over a period of time. I don't know,

617
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: but maybe they also didn't want her running around free.

618
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: And well, the thing that's interesting is after Rachel confesses,

619
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: it still takes another four months before they actually arrest

620
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: either girl. And I felt like they're so immature that

621
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: I feel as if Rachel thought, just because she confessed

622
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: and then it took four months before they arrested them,

623
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: that she probably during those four months thought that she

624
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: was just free.

625
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would think so, because.

626
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: I think she just went on with normal life and

627
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: continued to go to school and was still posting on

628
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: Twitter and like, you know, getting dressed for prom and

629
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: like doing all the things, even though she just confessed

630
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: to murder. But they were building a case and they

631
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: were getting more information, and they were waiting for forensics

632
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: to come back in Sheila's car because they found some

633
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: blood in her car and so they sent it to

634
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: be tested because they wanted it to come back as

635
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: Skylar's right, because then now you've got some DNA evidence.

636
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: So they were waiting on all of that before they

637
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: made any arrests. So it was really interesting to me

638
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: in that documentary to watch Rachel confess to murder and

639
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: then where why and then just have four months where

640
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: like in her mind, nothing's happening.

641
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: Maybe they told her, Okay, we're gonna doar investigation. You

642
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: gotta lay low.

643
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: Also, Rachel did lead the police to the body. So

644
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: even though they drove I don't know, I'm thinking it

645
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: was like two hundred miles or something, they drove to

646
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to commit this murder. And then they did try

647
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: to dig a hole because remember I told you they

648
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: brought the They brought the shovel because they were going

649
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: to bury her.

650
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: They could they couldn't. They couldn't dig a hole.

651
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: Well, it was cold and we're talking about like West.

652
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: Virginia ground frozen. Ye, she should have brought a pick.

653
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 1: Well, it was July, so I guess it wouldn't have been.

654
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that it's not that easy to dig

655
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: a hole. It depends on the terrain and stuff.

656
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Remember when I bought a shovel because.

657
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: I know, I bought you a shovel because you kept

658
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: insisting that you were going to I don't know, dig

659
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: a trench in the backyard or something. So I bought

660
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: a shovel and it was brand new for years in

661
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: our ground.

662
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: So I tried. I couldn't. I couldn't dig. I couldn't

663
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: dig like a couple inches below. It was like the

664
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: dirt was so packed. I was like, I give up.

665
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: I think I was going to plan out a rose

666
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: bush and I couldn't even do it. I couldn't dig

667
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: a hole big enough to plan.

668
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: Now, you were going to dig a trench to lower

669
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: the terrain so our dog couldn't jump the wall.

670
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was up to I was like, we

671
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: just need to dig that area out and make it

672
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: more level. Yeah, that didn't work. I couldn't even like

673
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: get the shovel through the ground. So anyway, these girls,

674
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: they brought a shovel. They were going to bury the body.

675
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: They quickly learned that it is not easy to do

676
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: what they do with the body, so they could hit it. Yeah,

677
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: they didn't wear like where they stabbed her. They stabbed

678
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: her in like a remote area, in like a wooded area.

679
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: They just they covered her with leaves and stuff. So anyway,

680
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Rachel does lead the investigators to where the body is

681
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: and they do recover the body. She remembered I don't

682
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: know how she remembered it, because she wasn't the one driving.

683
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Sheila was driving, but she must have known the area

684
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: well or something, because she could lead them to exactly

685
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: where they as.

686
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: I'd probably something you don't really forget. But did do

687
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: we know of anything like how they conversations they had,

688
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: like when they got her out of.

689
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: The car and then the woods they got out of

690
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: the car. I believe it was just the pretend of

691
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: like they were just going to like hang out and

692
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: smoke pod or something. But she got out and they

693
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: were behind her, and then they just both attacked her

694
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: at the same time. They stabbed her over fifty times.

695
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: So as far as we know, she didn't know until

696
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: she was attacked.

697
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she knew it was them. I mean, she

698
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: didn't die quickly because then Rachel said, no.

699
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: I know, I wasn't trying to lessen it. I was

700
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: just saying, like she didn't become aware, not until that

701
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: was our plans, until they started to attack.

702
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, but Rachel's chaff did say,

703
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: because I believe they asked her what were her last words,

704
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: and she said that Skyler just kept saying why why.

705
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: It's very true we had the same question why, like

706
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: just say get out of our way. We're going to

707
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: be friends now. We only anything to do with it, right.

708
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Why couldn't you just tweet I don't like you anymore,

709
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: go away. I'm never talking to you.

710
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: Also, if they wanted to be meaner, that's pretty mean.

711
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: That is mean. At least she would be alive and

712
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: she couldn't move on and find a new group of friends,

713
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: better of friends. So, after Skylar's remains were located, remember

714
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: I told you, Rachel took the police to where the

715
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: body was. They found it and they recovered it and

716
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: DNA evidence was found which connected the crime to both suspects.

717
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: The teens were both arrested in May of twenty thirteen.

718
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: This is four months after Rachel's initial confession to me.

719
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Sheila is the driving force behind everything. She seems to

720
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: be to me, not that the two girls aren't both evil,

721
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: but to me, Sheila Eddie is the more evil of

722
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: the two. She was arrested and I believe it was prom.

723
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: She was getting ready for prom, and like they're literally

724
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: taking her away in a police car and she just

725
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: keeps asking about her hair appointment later because she's going

726
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: to promt like that. I mean, you're arrested for first

727
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: degree murder and you're put into a police car and

728
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: you're driven to a police station, and she just keeps

729
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: asking about her hair appointment.

730
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: Well because she knew she.

731
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: So the evidence included Skyler's blood which was found inside

732
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Shila Eddie's car, and both suspects were charged as adults

733
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: in January of twenty fourteen. This was interesting. So Sheila

734
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Eddie goes in to court and no one knows what's

735
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: going to happen, right this whole town, like all those students,

736
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: like people are all there. They bring Shila Eddie in,

737
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, and she pleads guilty to first degree murder. Good,

738
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: she received a life sentence. Good. But with the possibility of.

739
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: Parole, what year can she is she eligible for pearol?

740
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: I think it's fifteen. Yeah, it's fifteen.

741
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: I think California's but yeah, fifteen.

742
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: So this is what I was thinking about when I

743
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: was when I was learning about this case and that

744
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: they're both eligible for parole. It was very interesting to

745
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: me because we just did the screen murders and let's

746
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: just be.

747
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: Clear, eligible for parole doesn't mean they will be released

748
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: at year fifteen. If they didn't, if they were good

749
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: in jail. It means that they're eligible, so they can

750
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: be interviewed, it can be refe you, it'll be considered

751
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: by the parole board and they'll either release her or

752
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: center back in until the next year when they meet

753
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: again with her, or whatever it is.

754
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: Right, But in this prior episode when we talked about

755
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: the screen murders, it's basically, I mean, you have very

756
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: similar set of facts. You've got two boys with premeditated

757
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: murder ages. They were I think they were sixteen ish

758
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: right high school. They were friends with the girl a

759
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: horrific crime with knives and yes, Cashe and Cassie Joe Stoddard,

760
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: they were friends with her. They snuck into her house

761
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: and they both attacked her with knives and murdered her.

762
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: And I think and kind of boasted about it, right, right,

763
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: They made up videos about it.

764
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: They weren't like, oh my gosh, I can't believe we

765
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: did this. We got to hide the body. It escalated

766
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: too far. No, it's premeditated. They did it, they wanted

767
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: it done. They were almost proud of it.

768
00:36:52,600 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Yes, and they were all friends. So in January twenty fourteen,

769
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: Shila Eddie pleaded guilty to first degree murder, so she

770
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: did not go to trial. She pled guilty. She received

771
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: a life sentence with the possibility of parole. They were

772
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: tried as adults. But she got the possibility of parole

773
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: because we were talking about West Virginia and I read

774
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: West Virginia abolished life sentences without parole for minors. OK,

775
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: so she has the possibility of parole. In February of

776
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, Rachel Chauff pleaded guilty to second degree murder.

777
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: She had a lesser sentence because she was the one

778
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: who confessed and took them to the body, and she

779
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: was sentenced to thirty years in prison. But because both

780
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: defendants pleaded guilty of full trial was avoided for both

781
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: of them. Skuyler's parents delivered emotional statements during the sentencing hearings.

782
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: That's hard for me to watch. I have a hard

783
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: time with that to just do you watch it? Yeah,

784
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: you know, especially the dad, Dave. I don't know, he's

785
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: just you know, only had one child. I always think

786
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: about that too, not that it I.

787
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: Don't know if it no, but it makes it so

788
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: like if they had a few children and one was

789
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: murdered in this fashion, then they could kind of pivot

790
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: and find some comfort in your other children and your

791
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: other children and kind of occupy yourself by caring for

792
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: the other children, right and protecting them. But you're right,

793
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't make it any less of a loss.

794
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Right, But it just made me think, you know, when

795
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: you only have one child and then someone takes that

796
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: child from you, who murders that child, then you cut

797
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: off grandchildren like you've just you've cut off the spring,

798
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: the offspring that you know these parents aren't going to

799
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: be grandparents now.

800
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: It's just well, yeah, there's nothing else to look forward to,

801
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: like wedding or graduation or accomplishments or just Thanksgiving dinner.

802
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I also know I did. I did

803
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: find some solace in the fact that Dave and Mary

804
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: were still together, because I do know that something like

805
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: that causes divorces. There's so many times that something horrific

806
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: happens and a family a tragedy like that, and then

807
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: the parents don't stay together. I think it's just too much.

808
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't they say there's some rule when there's a

809
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: death in your immediate family, there's some guidelines to you

810
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: don't move, you don't change jobs, Like there's certain things

811
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: you don't want to do for a year or two

812
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: or something because it's too stressful. Yeah, so then it's

813
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: going to be added strain on your relationships. The idea

814
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: is to remain where you are and kind of rebuild

815
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: yourself that way, and then you can make some type

816
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: of change.

817
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: So Rachel's s Chouf has been denied parole twice. So

818
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: she's been up for pearl twice, in May of twenty

819
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: twenty three and July of twenty twenty four. I also

820
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: read so she was denied parol twice. Then she came

821
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: up for a pearol again and she took a.

822
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: Waiver like she was like, she didn't show up.

823
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: No, I don't know the reason why. I couldn't find

824
00:39:53,800 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: any information on that. But she chose to not just

825
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: a participator where everyone are. She waved, she waved her right. Yeah,

826
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: so I don't know what that was about. I don't

827
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: know if she's just thriving in prison. She's like, I

828
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: don't know, I enjoy it here.

829
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: So it's pretty sweet. I want to give it up.

830
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: She will become eligible for parole again in June of

831
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, so we must follow that because that's

832
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: coming up. We'll see if she actually goes before the

833
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: parole board or whether she waves her right to do that.

834
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: And Sheila Eddie will not be eligible for parole until

835
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: May of twenty twenty eight. I can't imagine that she

836
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: would be given parole even when she goes up for

837
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: Pearl and May of twenty twenty eight, because I know

838
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: Dave Niece is going to be there. I would be

839
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: there right, and so I can't imagine that she would

840
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: get parole. But just the fact that she's eligible, it

841
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like a lot of time and a

842
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of punishment for what those two girls have done. Also,

843
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: I read that the facility that they're at, I forget

844
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: the name of it, but they call it like it

845
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: has like a nickname. It's called like cupcake something, because

846
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: it's not the facility like the chip. I'm sorry, said

847
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: it's called cupcake, So say what, Well, it's like it's

848
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 1: it's like a term, it's like a cupcake something because

849
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: it's easy. It's not it's not like a maximum maximum

850
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: security prison with like lockdown and no I guess they

851
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: have iPads.

852
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: And I know why she passed up the prole Board review.

853
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just saw like a recent photo

854
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: of both girls of Rachel and she'sa are in the

855
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: same location, yes, okay, and both of them were looking

856
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: good like it looked like they had makeup on. Rachel's

857
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: hair was like bright red, her eyebrows were red, like

858
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: she just like dyed her hair and her eyebrows. And

859
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I was like, well, what do these girls do it?

860
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: They're just like they're just using iPads and.

861
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: Probably in separate prisons, but these two are in the same.

862
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I mean, the Meninda's brothers are

863
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: currently together, but they spent twenty years.

864
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: Because of everything that's surface also and they got together.

865
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe because it's West Virginia, there aren't

866
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Speaker 1: a lot of options. I don't know. But anyway, they're

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Speaker 1: in some facility that apparently isn't all that bad. I

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Speaker 1: guess that's why Rachel denied her right to go to

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Speaker 1: before the parole board. She's like, I'm fine here, I

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Speaker 1: got cable, I pad, I get my hair dyed.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I want to feel like, you know, I want

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Speaker 2: to be committed. Go to Cupcake. You want to go

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Speaker 2: to the Cupcake Hospital or Cape prison cake prison.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. West Virginia eliminated life without parole sentences for juveniles

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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, which is the same year the girls

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Speaker 1: were sentenced.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they got lucky.

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Speaker 1: Then it might have been retroactive, though I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think they do that. No, allowing individuals

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Speaker 2: right before the deadline.

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Speaker 1: They yeah, they're like, if we're going to do it,

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Speaker 1: what we got to do it now? Grabber today, allowing

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Speaker 1: individuals who committed defenses under age eighteen to become eligible

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Speaker 1: for parole after serving fifteen years. The law applies retroactively.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right, the law applies.

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Speaker 1: Retroactively, requiring parole boards to consider factors like youth.

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Speaker 2: Oh it goes like even to those in prison, not

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Speaker 2: just who's on trial. Yeah, wow, okay, that's rare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it requires parole boards to consider factors like youth, maturity,

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Speaker 1: and rehabilitation. I don't know, those seem like very broad terms.

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously youth, I mean they're young. That's why

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Speaker 1: it's they're you know, minors. Life without Pearl is effectively

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Speaker 1: abolished for minors in West Virginia. So that's why these

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Speaker 1: these teams ended up with life, but with the eligibility

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Speaker 1: for pearl within fifteen years at least that's for Sheila

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Speaker 1: Eddie And again Rachel Shof only got thirty because she

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Speaker 1: plea bargain because she confessed and also showed them where

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Speaker 1: the body was. So just a little distinction from the

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Speaker 1: juvenile sentencing in Idaho when we were talking about the

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Speaker 1: Scream murder, life without pearl for minors is allowed. Is

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Speaker 1: the case for Brian Draper and Tory Adam Chick. Judges

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Speaker 1: often consider mitigating factors during a separate sentencing hearing for

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Speaker 1: the most serious crimes. The state doesn't have a standardized

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Speaker 1: process for reviewing the sentences of current juvenile lifers, so

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Speaker 1: it's typically up to each inmate to file for a resentencing.

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Speaker 1: So I guess as far as those two and the

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Speaker 1: Scream murders Brian and Tory, they have to take a

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Speaker 1: completely different route. It would be like a resentencing route.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's the difference there. I just want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about. This is called Skyler's Law. So,

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Speaker 1: following their daughter's murder, Dave and Mary Nice focused on

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Speaker 1: keeping Skyler's memory alive and advocating for safety reforms so

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Speaker 1: Skyler's Law was passed. In twenty thirteen, West Virginia passed

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Speaker 1: legislation requiring faster Amber alert responses for missing children. Skyler's law,

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Speaker 1: children who are merely proven to be in danger, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to only victims of an abduction, are eligible for

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Speaker 1: an alert. At the time of her death, niece did

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Speaker 1: not meet the criteria for an Amber alert because she

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Speaker 1: was considered a runaway as she had snuck out of

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Speaker 1: her house to meet her friends. So instead of just

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Speaker 1: being abducted, it's children that are missing or could be

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Speaker 1: in danger. So basically, they couldn't use an Amber alert

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Speaker 1: when Skyler was missing because she didn't fall within that criteria.

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Speaker 1: So Skylar's Law has broadened it to be more than

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Speaker 1: just being abducted. So a scholarship was also established in

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Speaker 1: Skyler's name to help support West Virginia University law students,

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Speaker 1: honoring her dream of becoming a lawyer. There we Are

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Speaker 1: That is on Hulu. It's called Friends Like These You

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Speaker 1: know what? Also, it made me think of it as

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Speaker 1: a no there's three parts, I believe. Yeah, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: in depth. I'll tell you I have watched so many

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Speaker 1: crime documentaries because that's what we do, right, And I

933
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Speaker 1: have come become numb to them because you obviously know

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Speaker 1: you're watching a crime documentary. You know the outcome, right.

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Speaker 1: But I would say this is the first one that

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Speaker 1: I watched where I actually cried. I became very emotional.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I think it was just I

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Speaker 1: think the parents and just Dave and like him giving

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Speaker 1: his impact statement, and just how like Sheila Eddie.

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Speaker 2: Showed No, how was that different than the scream now

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Speaker 2: that that was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was very sad for me. I didn't

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it was because it was girls. It may maybe it

945
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Speaker 1: made me think about Annabelle and her friends, and it's like,

946
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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. It just it made me

947
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Speaker 1: realize that as parents. I don't know what the answer is,

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Speaker 1: but it just seemed very real because you're talking about

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Speaker 1: three average teenagers, going time friends, longtime friends, going to

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Speaker 1: high school in West Virginia, doing all the things that.

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Speaker 2: Teenagers doing at Wendy's, you know, working at.

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Speaker 1: Wendy's, making good grades and you know, having tips with

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Speaker 1: their girlfriends. But that happens, I mean, that's pretty normal.

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Speaker 1: I would say, you know, and then to just go

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Speaker 1: from that to escalate to the point of murder and

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Speaker 1: a premeditated murder. It was just so so diabolical and

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Speaker 1: sick to me and I I don't know, I saw.

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Speaker 1: I was able to distinguish between Rachel's chauff and Sheila

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Speaker 1: Eddie to me. Sheila Eddie to me, seemed like a psychopath.

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Speaker 1: Like just in Nate, we talk about nurture versus nature.

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Speaker 1: I think she was just born evil. She is probably

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Speaker 1: nately evil. Why can you not be born evil? I

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Speaker 1: think Sheila Eddie was born evil?

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Speaker 2: How were you born not evil?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I was a perfect person, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not doing what they were doing.

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Speaker 2: So we can agree on at least that, Yes, we

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Speaker 2: can agree on that.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's called Friends Like These. It's on Hulu

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in watching it, and also let me

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Speaker 1: know your thoughts on it. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: Legally Brunette. Again, we also have episodes that go into

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Speaker 1: two teas, but we also have our own feed where

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Speaker 1: all of our episodes go, so make sure you follow

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Speaker 1: us and also tell your friends and family. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening.