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Speaker 1: Here's Matt Smith. Hey, you ready over there? Well, time
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Speaker 3: Uh, people are blaming you for the loss, just to
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Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Hardy, Paulparillo, Mike des here to
Speaker 1: break down the loss to the Jaguars in London thirty
Speaker 1: two sixteen The final, Boy, it did not appear to
Speaker 1: be trending that way early in the game. Your initial thoughts, please,
Speaker 1: Paul Parillo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought they you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of our keys had to do with getting off to
Speaker 3: a better start, and I thought they got exactly that.
Speaker 3: They have a beautiful drive to open the game. Eleven
Speaker 3: play sixty eight yards six twenty eight off the clock,
Speaker 3: seven to nothing. They respawd with a three and out defensively,
Speaker 3: then they get the ball, they drive again, twelve play
Speaker 3: field goal drive and you're like, okay, here we go
Speaker 3: ten nothing getting to play the game on your terms.
Speaker 3: Nothing after that was positive at all. This was a
Speaker 3: butt whoopan I mean, Jacksonville was vastly superior for the
Speaker 3: last three quarters of this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just I'm in shock with the defense.
Speaker 4: I think I said it before. I was worried about
Speaker 4: they just Jacksonville had their number all day long, whether
Speaker 4: they I mean when they run eighteen straight times at
Speaker 4: one point, I think that kind of says it all
Speaker 4: in a game where you know your couple scores down,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not a total blowout at that point,
Speaker 4: but Jacksonville just able to control the line of scrimmage
Speaker 4: all day long.
Speaker 5: So many of the runs it just looked like we
Speaker 5: were joking Paul in the middle of it. Where have
Speaker 5: your pick? Which hole do you want?
Speaker 4: I mean, who was the old running back from Pittsburgh
Speaker 4: used to live Leveon Bell. You know, it was like
Speaker 4: one of those where he kind of like pause for
Speaker 4: a second and you're like, would I go here?
Speaker 5: Should I go there?
Speaker 4: Dominant effort on the ground from the Jacksonville jag I
Speaker 4: thought they're attack early on, especially through the air. Targeting
Speaker 4: some of the Patriots linebackers was dead on. And you
Speaker 4: know Trevor Lawrence, I mean, he's he's a really good player.
Speaker 4: He had time and they picked them apart. However, they
Speaker 4: kind of wanted pretty much from the second quarter on.
Speaker 1: And they really didn't even have to do it in
Speaker 1: a common sense approach, you know, at a halftime, Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence I think was nine of ten on his completions.
Speaker 3: And for the game he's fifteen for twenty four hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety three yards.
Speaker 1: So you would think, oh, with that kind of success
Speaker 1: in the passing game, they must have thrown the ball
Speaker 1: a lot. No, they went out ran the ball in
Speaker 1: the second half and we're doing it at will. So
Speaker 1: why take the chance of anything going wrong in the
Speaker 1: passing game when you can run the ball too? Well?
Speaker 1: Weren't you completing a lot of throws? Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: didn't even have to just go out there and run
Speaker 1: the ball and pick up first down after first down,
Speaker 1: and just take time off the clock and build upon
Speaker 1: that lead that that you had at halftime, when again
Speaker 1: it looked like you'd jump out to that ten nothing lead.
Speaker 1: This is what we wanted from the Patriots. Play with
Speaker 1: the lead and see how that works. Well, if you're
Speaker 1: going to be so porous defensively, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: It only works when you can get stops and they
Speaker 1: couldn't get.
Speaker 3: And I have a confession to make, and I was
Speaker 3: you know, everybody that listens to the show, you know, remembers,
Speaker 3: you know, the good old days right when I used
Speaker 3: to have the nod. I was pretty close to like
Speaker 3: giving a nod today, Like I personally thought the game
Speaker 3: was over, you thought there was gonna be a nod.
Speaker 3: I thought Jacksonville looked lifeless, like we had all talked
Speaker 3: about heading in, you know, throughout the week. The first quarter,
Speaker 3: I thought Josh heinz Allen looked like he had no
Speaker 3: interest whatsoever being on the field for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: The Cisco that.
Speaker 3: Guy, he looked like he had no interest in tackling.
Speaker 1: I was pretty close, you know.
Speaker 3: The Patriots looked like they they had brought some intensity,
Speaker 3: you know, a renewed energy, and I was pretty close
Speaker 3: to saying if the Patriots could have gotten a stop
Speaker 3: on that drive and they go up ten nothing, I
Speaker 3: was like that, this is it. And then Jacksonville went
Speaker 3: right down the field and scored and it never got stopped.
Speaker 4: The hasty TD it kind of looked like, is anyone
Speaker 4: gonna tackle Let me Josh Hall.
Speaker 3: There was no interest whatsoever in tackling the Jacksonville in
Speaker 3: that first drive. And then to their credit, their defense
Speaker 3: played well the last three quarters.
Speaker 1: There's something that happened toward the end of the game.
Speaker 1: Which bugs me to no end. It bugs me when
Speaker 1: I see it in virtually any game.
Speaker 3: Something tells me that's gonna come up on the bad list.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't know if it's going to because
Speaker 1: you may defend it as as a scholar of the
Speaker 1: game point.
Speaker 3: Without knowing exactly what you're gonna say. I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: on a limit say I'm not gonna defend it.
Speaker 5: Oka all on the same page.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll see what you say, but I think we
Speaker 4: might be Do.
Speaker 1: You want me to say it now? Can I just
Speaker 1: say it right now? Going for the two point when
Speaker 1: you're down fifteen, All right, let's get the two point
Speaker 1: conversion out of the way. Now, Why why, why, why
Speaker 1: don't you make it an eight point game? And if
Speaker 1: by some miracle you make it back to the end zone,
Speaker 1: you'll have the momentum of having scored twice and everything
Speaker 1: is on your side at that point, and now you
Speaker 1: know you have it. Instead, you put yourself where you
Speaker 1: know we still got to score two more times. Well
Speaker 1: you didn't have to. If you just got it to
Speaker 1: within eight, then a touchdown and two point conversion still
Speaker 1: ties the game. Instead, we're gonna shoot ourselves in the
Speaker 1: foot early on on this and put ourselves into a
Speaker 1: position where we're playing from behind the eight ball again.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I see it. I see it
Speaker 1: all the time, and the book tells all these guys
Speaker 1: the same thing, go for too early. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the mentality. You know what you need, you know what
Speaker 1: you need.
Speaker 5: That's what everyone just says.
Speaker 3: You'd be safe at home.
Speaker 5: Do you want to do?
Speaker 6: You want?
Speaker 5: You want to go? You want me to No, you
Speaker 5: can go?
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 4: I like my mind is and we're complaining about the
Speaker 4: same thing. But even when you get to the point
Speaker 4: where the Patriots get the ball back and they're down
Speaker 4: nine points, it's like your whole team demeanor is different
Speaker 4: than if you get it back and you're down eighty points.
Speaker 4: You're like, hey man, we're one score away. Now, it's
Speaker 4: like you're down nine. Even if you go down and score,
Speaker 4: you know you're gonna have to do it again.
Speaker 5: I don't get it.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there'll be someone who calls in and dismissively
Speaker 4: just gives us the well, you want to know what
Speaker 4: you need? That that line, which I still I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 5: I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Get within one score, and like you said, Hardy, have
Speaker 4: the momentum.
Speaker 5: If you score again and then get the two pointer.
Speaker 1: And to any time you've you know, you can point
Speaker 1: to it as a success and someone will inevitably bring
Speaker 1: up the Super Bowl. Well, you know, you go for it.
Speaker 1: You go for two early enough. You see what happened.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady ain't back there. That's number one and number two.
Speaker 1: It is not a three or four score game.
Speaker 3: It's a two score the twos in the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: with necessity, they were down sixteen. They needed two touchdowns
Speaker 3: and two two's.
Speaker 1: Yes, but.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get to this a little bit more. But
Speaker 3: I will just say I understand, and this is I
Speaker 3: love the way Mike said it. Someone's gonna call in
Speaker 3: and you can disagree with me all you want. I
Speaker 3: don't care, but Mike said it perfectly. Going to call
Speaker 3: in and dismissively tell us why we're wrong, and it
Speaker 3: drives me insane. I'm not I'm not gonna dismissively tell
Speaker 3: you you're wrong, but I'm gonna give you a lot of
Speaker 3: reasons why I think it was wrong to go for two.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 3: You know again, we'll we'll get into it, but I
Speaker 3: understand it's not easier to get the two point conversion
Speaker 3: in the final seconds than it would be to get
Speaker 3: it when you get as long as you will submit
Speaker 3: for me that it wasn't easier to get it when
Speaker 3: they went for it with eight minutes and twenty two
Speaker 3: seconds left.
Speaker 1: Like that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: These analytics guys tell you, Why is it easier to
Speaker 3: get it in the final minute? Then if you don't
Speaker 3: get it, the game's over. Well I got news for you.
Speaker 3: When you didn't get that with eight twenty two left,
Speaker 3: the game was old.
Speaker 1: Game was over. Yeah, I'd rather d the game late
Speaker 1: as opposed to earlier.
Speaker 3: I would rather make the other team have to make
Speaker 3: you know this is game on the line.
Speaker 1: One play and do you believe it? Yeah? Do you
Speaker 1: believe in momentum? Do you believe it is at Mike's point? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: So this is a trickle down effective things that happened.
Speaker 3: You ended up after that with a fourth and twenty six.
Speaker 3: You still had two timeouts left about two twenty five
Speaker 3: left in the half, So you had two timeouts in
Speaker 3: the two minute warning on fourth and twenty six. Had
Speaker 3: you only been down eight at the time, hardy.
Speaker 9: Yes, you could have punted to see if you could
Speaker 9: get a three and out usually two timeouts in the
Speaker 9: two minute warning and get the ball back with two
Speaker 9: minutes left.
Speaker 1: Down eight. You can't do that.
Speaker 3: But down down nine, don nine, We got to go
Speaker 3: for fourth and twenty six.
Speaker 5: But you don't know what you're gonna need.
Speaker 3: But but the good news was they knew what they needed.
Speaker 5: I know they needed at least you knew.
Speaker 1: At least you know.
Speaker 3: And again you might put it perfectly. Someone's gonna tell
Speaker 3: us why we're stupid, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Like I get it.
Speaker 3: I just don't explain to me the reason. Like I
Speaker 3: understand what your reason is. I disagree with it, like
Speaker 3: it's Chris Rose did it during the games like this,
Speaker 3: you know at some point is there gonna be a
Speaker 3: two point conversion classic. I understand all the reasons that
Speaker 3: people say. I can live with the down fourteen thing.
Speaker 3: Down fourteen in the fourth quarter. A lot of teams now,
Speaker 3: when you get that first touchdown, you go for two
Speaker 3: because you're trying to win in regulation. If I can
Speaker 3: get the first one, then I can kick it on
Speaker 3: the second one and win. I don't agree with it,
Speaker 3: but I understand that at least I'm still within a score.
Speaker 3: The nine point thing, to me is indefensible.
Speaker 4: That's it, the nine point And that's such a difference
Speaker 4: between eight points and nine points for the team's point
Speaker 4: of view at the end of the game, like you're
Speaker 4: down by eight, you just need a play it, really,
Speaker 4: like you know you're gonna be right in it with
Speaker 4: a play. My mindset down nine is completely different if
Speaker 4: I'm an offensive player.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. I watched the last three quarters
Speaker 3: of that game. Had the Pigeons kicked the extra point
Speaker 3: and got within eight, do I think that they would
Speaker 3: have had a chance. No, I think that they got
Speaker 3: thoroughly blasted on that last drive. Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: they would have had a better chance to get a
Speaker 3: three and out if they were only down eight than nine.
Speaker 3: But I would have liked to have gotten the ball
Speaker 3: back at the end down one score instead of two.
Speaker 1: It would have been more. Yeah, got that too much,
Speaker 1: that's all. No, that's it, that's it. That's it. That's
Speaker 1: all we really wanted. So we'll get to your phone
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Speaker 1: it's the good, it's the bad, it's the injured. Were
Speaker 1: still calling it that. Now it's time for the good.
Speaker 2: But goody, pretty good, the bad, and the injured.
Speaker 3: Ah ah, you are right, guy, Good, the bad, and
Speaker 3: the injured, brought to you by the good players, the
Speaker 3: bad players, and the injured players.
Speaker 1: In today's thirty two to sixteen loss to the Jaguars
Speaker 1: in London, Hardy filling in for Matt Smith or Paul Parbrello,
Speaker 1: Mike dess as the honor of leading us off on
Speaker 1: the lengthy good list. Mike, where will you start?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start with Drake May. I'm gonna put him
Speaker 5: on there. Great start.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's more of a an overall thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, they know they lost the game, but didn't
Speaker 4: turn the ball over today. I thought there were some
Speaker 4: strides with that, and there were a couple we can
Speaker 4: probably say those a little close, which I'll take though.
Speaker 4: I'll take close, going from you know, four turnervers who
Speaker 4: was last week to none that it's just close ones.
Speaker 5: But I just was impressed with how comfortable he looked
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 4: I thought that was just to me, especially right out
Speaker 4: of the gate, it was like, man, this this kid
Speaker 4: really looks like he's settling in a little bit. Had
Speaker 4: some some nice pockets at times, you know, didn't really
Speaker 4: get himself into much trouble. I'm sure of all this stuff,
Speaker 4: we can probably go through and find a play here,
Speaker 4: play there where. It wasn't quite perfect for him, but
Speaker 4: you know, went quiet for a long time with the offense.
Speaker 4: I kind of put that a little bit more on
Speaker 4: the play calling when all of a sudden, we're trying
Speaker 4: to run the ball a little more. I love they
Speaker 4: came out, they were throwing the ball. Wanted to see
Speaker 4: them kind of pick that back up, hit a few
Speaker 4: big passing plays at the end with their with their
Speaker 4: last scoring drive that they had. So I just thought,
Speaker 4: in a bubble, Drake, may this throw You're scene right
Speaker 4: here to Hunter Henry, right on him, you know, throwing
Speaker 4: it right as he's coming out of the break. So
Speaker 4: I just thought it was a real nice developmental day
Speaker 4: from Drake. I wish that the defense could have given
Speaker 4: him some extra opportunities, gotten some more stops maybe than
Speaker 4: we would have seen even more out of him, but
Speaker 4: in the limited action that he was able to kind
Speaker 4: of sling it out there. I liked what I saw
Speaker 4: from him.
Speaker 3: So I had may on my list as well. Some
Speaker 3: of the things that Mike said of the reasons too.
Speaker 3: You know, when I was doing my chin wag, yeah
Speaker 3: on my.
Speaker 1: Shows, Yeah, on one of your shows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Gasper actually asked me, you know, what are
Speaker 3: you looking for for Drake Maye today? What kind of
Speaker 3: strides would you like to see? And you know, I
Speaker 3: dismissed like the turnover thing, because like obviously, no one
Speaker 3: wants to see their quarterback turning the ball over. But
Speaker 3: I said, I'd like to see him look a little
Speaker 3: bit more settled and comfortable, especially early in the game.
Speaker 3: In the pocket, Mike just talked about it. I thought
Speaker 3: we really saw that. I thought he was real. He
Speaker 3: looked really comfortable with the game plan, and I thought
Speaker 3: he didn't look like he was running around into pressure
Speaker 3: as much early, especially early in this game, as he
Speaker 3: did last week. Now, the turnover thing is is kind
Speaker 3: of circumstantial to you know, Mike alluded to it. He
Speaker 3: threw a couple of he had both about three turnover
Speaker 3: worth he plays two flat out dropped interceptions. So how
Speaker 3: much differently do you look at the game if he
Speaker 3: had two interceptions, Probably a little bit, but I would
Speaker 3: stay with the same. I thought he looked more settled,
Speaker 3: more in charge of the offense. You know, you see
Speaker 3: the difference on some of the balls downfield. You know,
Speaker 3: the ball to Booty was a really really nice throw.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I had Drake May on my good list too.
Speaker 1: I had him on there for a reason that I
Speaker 1: will I will tag here when it's my turn to
Speaker 1: go for the U for the good list. But yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty six and thirty seven for the two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy six yards, the two touchdowns, no picks, a couple
Speaker 1: that were real close, but some of the some of
Speaker 1: the game stuff that you're talking about, Paul, the ability
Speaker 1: to recognize at this point, I could just throw the
Speaker 1: ball at the at the feet of my running back
Speaker 1: here a great uh and and and and get away
Speaker 1: with an incompletion here as opposed to a loss. Stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Good, Okay, I'll take it. We'll put him
Speaker 1: on the good list, all right.
Speaker 3: Again, second game, if this is like second game of
Speaker 3: his third season, and again, all of the productions coming
Speaker 3: when the game's over. I'm not as forgiving, you know,
Speaker 3: but that play that he made right before the touchdown
Speaker 3: to Osborne, that's a really really good play.
Speaker 1: That's a savvy veteran play.
Speaker 3: I'm going to roll out here, he's going to get me,
Speaker 3: but I got to back right there. I'm going to
Speaker 3: backhand it right at his feet, live to fight another down.
Speaker 1: That was a really, really good play. I'm glad I
Speaker 1: was a student enough to recognize it and bring it
Speaker 1: up and somehow be elevated in the eyes of Paul.
Speaker 1: You got a little ball knower and thing or two
Speaker 1: about a thing or two? What's your first good Paul ball?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: So kind of in line with that is I'm going
Speaker 3: to give Alex van Pelt in the coaching staff a
Speaker 3: lot of credit for breaking the mold like they they
Speaker 3: broke that start thing that we're talking about, first drive
Speaker 3: touchdown in how many games like since Pittsburgh last year?
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I thought their opening script was was incredible. It
Speaker 3: really had Jacksonville looking like every bit the team that
Speaker 3: had to quit against Chicago last week. So I thought
Speaker 3: everything that they did, they came out throwing the ball
Speaker 3: I think they threw it on something like six of
Speaker 3: the first seven plays. Something, you know, something in that neighborhood.
Speaker 3: They got may comfortable right away in a mix too,
Speaker 3: not just like bombing away some some downfield throw, some
Speaker 3: underneath stuff, some quick, some a little bit slower developing,
Speaker 3: and you know, unfortunately, when that script was up, uh,
Speaker 3: the offense went went south. But I just thought the
Speaker 3: opening game plan. You know, they usually script about fifteen plays,
Speaker 3: and it let's see, what were the two scoring drives
Speaker 3: eleven and twelve, So that's you know, it was twenty
Speaker 3: three plays that that opening script obviously was very effective.
Speaker 3: I want to give alexaman Pelt a little credit.
Speaker 1: That was my That was my first good the the
Speaker 1: opening drive. And you know, we've seen it for years.
Speaker 1: I used to kind of lament the fact that, even
Speaker 1: when Tom Brady was here, you'd have that amazing opening drive,
Speaker 1: you'd have the scripted plays, the ten twelve plays to
Speaker 1: get you downfield score, and then things would stall and
Speaker 1: I could never wrap my head around our defenses figuring
Speaker 1: things out that early in the game. But is that
Speaker 1: really all you came in with in terms of your
Speaker 1: whole plan? That's your whole plan. Get her. You know
Speaker 1: you're gonna come out with an opening drive and not
Speaker 1: have much planned after that, but we've been lacking even
Speaker 1: that for what seems like a while. I was happy
Speaker 1: to see it return. Part of my Drake May good
Speaker 1: came on how good things looked and that on those
Speaker 1: opening two drives, and Drake may went beyond that and
Speaker 1: played well beyond that for portions beyond those opening drives.
Speaker 1: So he belongs, I think, on the good list anyway.
Speaker 1: But kudos to both Vampelt and to the Patriots offense
Speaker 1: for figuring things out and coming out with the league,
Speaker 1: which is one of the things we wanted. That's one
Speaker 1: of the things I think we universally want to get
Speaker 1: out there. Score first play with the lead. See how
Speaker 1: that works out for you. We know how it did,
Speaker 1: but you know that's another story for another time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I got Hardy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to put somebody on here.
Speaker 1: Well, the opening drive was mine, so Paul took mine,
Speaker 1: so I'll go to my second. That was Hunter Henry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry eight catches on nine target targets for ninety
Speaker 1: two yards. He has become, you know, the only thing
Speaker 1: close to dependable in terms of a target for Drake May.
Speaker 1: And you know there there was the one off side
Speaker 1: penalty that you really you can't afford, especially if you're
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. You're a veteran. You you can't not know
Speaker 1: the snap count. I get it. That was you could
Speaker 1: see drop Mail was really frustrated with Henry after that call.
Speaker 1: But in terms of being a weapon, he's he's it.
Speaker 1: He's it in terms of somebody that that Drake May
Speaker 1: can can look forward to to come down with a
Speaker 1: catch and help you move the chains little bit. So
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry was my first good yeahs almost.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a kind of a cliche, the veteran
Speaker 4: tight end of you know, supporting the rookie quarterback. But
Speaker 4: some big catches for Hunter Henry. Another big, big game
Speaker 4: for him, ninety something yards receiving.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he's uh, he's been.
Speaker 4: The safety blanket and hopefully that that relationship can continue to.
Speaker 3: Deep one down the scene that that catch was sick. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was covered like a blanket on that play. Kind
Speaker 3: of head topped Darnell Savage. Yeah yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 3: been he's been really good and he was really good today.
Speaker 1: All Right, what else he got dos.
Speaker 4: Oh, come on, kid, I got nothing else.
Speaker 1: Come on, I got nothing else. Come hold on.
Speaker 5: Usually Paul's got some nuance the second court.
Speaker 1: No, he checked out.
Speaker 3: See the list, I checked all the three off the goods,
Speaker 3: the goods over here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that was it. I mean, where
Speaker 5: else where else you're gonna point to.
Speaker 4: Joey Slide did make all his kicks though, didn't he?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put him on the good list.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess if you wanted to just sort
Speaker 3: of like, you know, individual play, you know, like Hasty
Speaker 3: makes a nice little catch and run for the touchdown,
Speaker 3: but like we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Play like play, right, Yeah, I get it's not enough.
Speaker 1: It's not enough. All right, let's get to it. Deuce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're up again.
Speaker 4: I mean, first bad take your pick on the defense.
Speaker 4: I mean I don't I don't know where to where
Speaker 4: to point the finger. I guess I'm just gonna start
Speaker 4: by point at the coaching. I just think like it's
Speaker 4: it's a it's a big thing. I'm not even really
Speaker 4: going to pick on too many individual defensive defensive players.
Speaker 4: But this is everything that's been happening in the last
Speaker 4: couple of weeks and they look powerless to stop it.
Speaker 4: They got run over for one hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 4: plus third week in a row. They just they they
Speaker 4: had no answers today. I mean, at one point we
Speaker 4: looked at Paul and he said, really, the only plays
Speaker 4: they made to a certain point were just in completions
Speaker 4: that you know, Jacksonville kind of dropped or like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Lawrence throws one off of Kyle Kyle Douglas face
Speaker 3: mask for one incompletion, Tank Bigsby drops a screen for
Speaker 3: another one. You know, Christian Kirk, you know, may may
Speaker 3: not have gotten that second footage bounds. Like, they didn't
Speaker 3: have any like failed plays, you know, until like until
Speaker 3: Jacksonville inexplicably decided not to make it a three score
Speaker 3: game and and went forward on fourth in less than
Speaker 3: a yard and then the Patriots stopped him.
Speaker 6: That was it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they nothing. I mean, a couple of those red
Speaker 4: zone stops. You could look at the stats and say
Speaker 4: those looked okay, But I mean after that first you
Speaker 4: know drive, they didn't focut the f stops.
Speaker 3: On eleven minute, twenty two second dry they don't do
Speaker 3: much for.
Speaker 4: Him, and that points to it. I mean you know
Speaker 4: that eleven minute drive. It's this is where the game's
Speaker 4: in the balance. This is where you're you're kind of
Speaker 4: scrapping your way back into it, or you're holding on
Speaker 4: by a thread. At least they couldn't make the plays.
Speaker 5: They can't.
Speaker 4: You know, were there any real like pressure, was there
Speaker 4: any you know, there's none of that. Like we said,
Speaker 4: with the run defense especially, I guess I'll put that
Speaker 4: in the crossairs at the top too. It's just you're
Speaker 4: not gonna win football games if you can't stop the run.
Speaker 1: The defense, the pass defense. You know, just as a
Speaker 1: collector may have been up there too, but Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: only attempted twenty passes. They didn't have to twenty passes
Speaker 1: one night.
Speaker 5: It was just like.
Speaker 4: It felt like at a certain point, every time they
Speaker 4: get the ball, even when it was competitive.
Speaker 5: They were getting four or five six.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like if Jacksonville decided to do what
Speaker 3: they did, you know, like there was one stage in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, I think they ran the ball something like.
Speaker 1: Eighteen straight plays.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like if they threw it eighteen straight
Speaker 3: plays the results have been the same, Probably because I do.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I mean that's all they wanted.
Speaker 4: It looked all day like that, and I mean, I
Speaker 4: just I mean, like, let's call it what it is.
Speaker 5: That looked to me like.
Speaker 4: The worst defense in the NFL out there on the
Speaker 4: field today.
Speaker 3: Like that has to hurt, Mike, It does hurt.
Speaker 4: But you know what, I'm a fan of extremes though,
Speaker 4: so it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Bad, reactionary extreme, Like I don't.
Speaker 5: Want it to just be like, well, it was bad,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't.
Speaker 4: Like if you're gonna be bad, you gotta be really bad,
Speaker 4: and they were.
Speaker 3: I agree with everything Mike said. I don't have any
Speaker 3: defensive defensively, just you have it.
Speaker 1: We have added ball. No, don't sell yourself short. We
Speaker 1: both added to it. But it's time to move on.
Speaker 1: We have a lot to get to it.
Speaker 3: This stacred and sixty four yards and like, I think
Speaker 3: it could have been more than you kept. You know,
Speaker 3: they lost a possession with the with the bunt return.
Speaker 3: Otherwise that would have been another ninety yards drive.
Speaker 4: I mean, there was four and a half a running play,
Speaker 4: but it seemed like that's low.
Speaker 1: I mean, because it got off to.
Speaker 3: A reasonable like the first couple of runs were stuffed.
Speaker 3: I thought they came out, you know, the first I
Speaker 3: think the first drive that was a three and out.
Speaker 3: They it was like run, run, and they got nothing.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden it changed, and it
Speaker 3: changed because they started throwing the ball on them and
Speaker 3: once they had success throwing the ball.
Speaker 4: I just I get the feeling that all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: we might see a shift this week, especially on you
Speaker 4: guys's shows, which I guess I'm kind of part of
Speaker 4: it now too, so yeah, on our shows, on our
Speaker 4: on our show.
Speaker 5: But it's it's it's wow.
Speaker 4: The offense, I mean, and it wasn't it wasn't an absolute,
Speaker 4: you know, disaster for Drake May. And then the protection
Speaker 4: and now everyone's going to come for the defense and
Speaker 4: what that means and why I got this bad and all.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's already I just want to make a pout.
Speaker 1: The offense crossairs a little bit.
Speaker 3: I would have wholeheartedly agreed that with Drake May playing,
Speaker 3: it's different, so I look at it different. I had
Speaker 3: Drake May on my good list. I agree with everything
Speaker 3: that Mike said about Drake May. The bottom line is
Speaker 3: the offense, this is now two weeks in a row,
Speaker 3: has been very similar in production to.
Speaker 1: What it was.
Speaker 3: Yes, they don't score, they don't move the ball like
Speaker 3: consistently for the game. Again, your sub three hundred yards
Speaker 3: of total offense this week was even I think more
Speaker 3: glaring than last week in terms of you piled up
Speaker 3: about one hundred yards that were meaningless. At least last
Speaker 3: week there was more time left when you scored. You know,
Speaker 3: this week it was kind of like you just get
Speaker 3: up an eleven and a half minute drive. You haven't
Speaker 3: done anything since the first quarter, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you have a thirty two yard scene route to Hunter
Speaker 3: Henry that he makes an unbelievable catch on, followed by
Speaker 3: a thirty three yard pass to Kaishan Boody. They did
Speaker 3: nothing basically for the last three quarters of this game.
Speaker 5: That's a great preemptive strike. I feel like everyone's just.
Speaker 4: Sick of talking, but everybody no, no, Today they're going
Speaker 4: to be like, now it's time, we're going to kill
Speaker 4: this defense.
Speaker 3: And the difference to me today from last week is
Speaker 3: today you got off to a really good start offensively,
Speaker 3: You were really really.
Speaker 1: Good in the first quarter. You set the defense up
Speaker 1: for success.
Speaker 3: The defense let you down today, whereas last week, the
Speaker 3: defense kind of got hung out to drive by the turnaments.
Speaker 5: Sure you know you didn't do that and they.
Speaker 3: But this to me was every bit as bad as
Speaker 3: last week defensively, and the offense helped them early on.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there was just nothing really good.
Speaker 5: They can't get off the field.
Speaker 3: They can't get off the field. But was it six
Speaker 3: for ten seam worse than that one drive? That eleven
Speaker 3: minute drive had like three or so right in a row.
Speaker 3: There are down conversions?
Speaker 5: Yeah, three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're supposed to be doing the good list here, guys,
Speaker 1: come on, you know we're doing the bad list. Oh
Speaker 1: that's right, the bad list. Sorry, I'm sorry, but we
Speaker 1: got off the good list so quickly I couldn't even
Speaker 1: believe we're already onder the bad list. All right, So
Speaker 1: I defense.
Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of that at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, so everything encompassing the defense, But when you're talking
Speaker 1: about offensively and and you know where things go wrong
Speaker 1: beyond that on that first drive, because on the first drive,
Speaker 1: multiple receivers targeted, you know, multiple players employed involved. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: But if you're going to start going bad on the offense,
Speaker 1: ball not that this is your first, bab, but I'm
Speaker 1: curious as to where you start.
Speaker 3: I would start with Jalen Polk, I you know, and
Speaker 3: this is he's a rookie, and I get it. And
Speaker 3: right there, I had a whole thing this week, you know,
Speaker 3: and I I'm not like the kids played now seven games.
Speaker 3: I'm not out on Jalen Polk. I'm still not out
Speaker 3: on them, but it's not trending in the right direction.
Speaker 3: And I was a little troubled Mike By and Mike
Speaker 3: and I talked about this during the weekend. I was
Speaker 3: very surprised that Mike agreed with me on this because
Speaker 3: it's something that normally we would odds and he's a contrarian.
Speaker 10: He is.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: So there was a couple of things, and I mentioned,
Speaker 3: you know, he had the clips that he's like, you know,
Speaker 3: putting up about the referees of screwing them, you know,
Speaker 3: with these plays that are clearly out of bounds. Right,
Speaker 3: And then he and I went back to that comment,
Speaker 3: like he got really mad at the fans because they're
Speaker 3: not with them. You know, if they're not with us,
Speaker 3: we don't want them, you know, Like he haven't played
Speaker 3: a game yet, bro right, you know. And now the
Speaker 3: most recent thing, which at the time I made this
Speaker 3: rant that I'm talking about with Mike, I didn't even
Speaker 3: know about yet because it hadn't happened. Gerd Meos says, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's fighting it a little bit. He's
Speaker 3: got a mental hurdle he's probably got to need to
Speaker 3: get over a little bit after the drops last week.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: He responds by saying, I don't have any mental issues.
Speaker 3: I had the best hands in football. Then he goes
Speaker 3: out and drops the first two balls thrown in his
Speaker 3: direction today.
Speaker 1: Correct, So two things about that bothered me. Number one
Speaker 1: is the best hands in football thing. There's one thing
Speaker 1: to have confidence. Then there's one thing to just you know, speak,
Speaker 1: you know. And Mike Jusso ask hyperbole, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But the fact that he can't make a
Speaker 1: distinction between his head coach saying something as a knock
Speaker 1: you is you got a mental block there and him
Speaker 1: taking it as I'm not crazy, I'm out. I don't
Speaker 1: have anything meant not really soft. Yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: call me like some kind of mental defective air? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: one's saying that, Jalen. That is not at all what
Speaker 1: is being said about you but to take it so
Speaker 1: personally and to take it so seriously where he's trying
Speaker 1: to help. He's trying to help you. He's saying you're
Speaker 1: a good player. He's saying you've got good hands. It's
Speaker 1: just a little little confidence iss you get over that.
Speaker 1: You should be taking that as a positive as opposed
Speaker 1: to getting your feathers ruffled over it. To me, that
Speaker 1: really says to me that.
Speaker 3: That validated with Mike and I were talking about during
Speaker 3: the week when he had that comment about Mail, like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not Yeah, I don't have any mental problems,
Speaker 3: So I think it We figured it out last week.
Speaker 3: It was ten catches on twenty three targets or something
Speaker 3: like that. So he was zero for three today, three targets.
Speaker 1: No catches.
Speaker 3: That doesn't count the two point conversion that he slips
Speaker 3: and falls on.
Speaker 1: Yep, it was. It was a slippery field.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: It was so he's he's just not he's not been
Speaker 3: reliable for them. And I thought if there was one
Speaker 3: word I could I could put on him out of
Speaker 3: training camp. Mike knows that I'm not wasn't super super
Speaker 3: high on him. But the one thing I would say
Speaker 3: that I was oppressed with was his reliability. He was dependable.
Speaker 3: You threw it to him, he caught it. It wasn't
Speaker 3: always the biggest gains, but he caught it. Right now,
Speaker 3: we're having problems making connections with him. The off field
Speaker 3: stuff is a concern with him. He's trending in the
Speaker 3: wrong direction.
Speaker 4: What hurts is you need him right now, and that's
Speaker 4: you know, you're not going to get very far with
Speaker 4: just Hunter Henry and Sorry Douglas to catch his fourteen yards.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they gave him any specific attention.
Speaker 4: I know he was kind of in and out during
Speaker 4: the game, which is something with Douglas.
Speaker 3: Douglas, Yeah, he had an illness and I should mention
Speaker 3: that Polk ended up not finishing the game with the
Speaker 3: head injury injury and they declared him late in the
Speaker 3: game as being out for the game.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's.
Speaker 4: Going just they need that guy though, They need somebody
Speaker 4: on the outside, and I mean, you're not going to
Speaker 4: be able to get it done with just a tight
Speaker 4: end and a slot receiver, and they're waiting for one
Speaker 4: of these guys to step up. Booty's one big catch
Speaker 4: a game. That's that's not gonna. He wasn't making happen.
Speaker 3: He wasn't open today. A couple of times they looked
Speaker 3: his way. One of them was got erased by a penalty.
Speaker 3: But the one time he got open, he made the
Speaker 3: playdown the field. But there was a couple of balls
Speaker 3: thrown in his general direction. I don't know if they
Speaker 3: were necessarily targeted to him, but he didn't look like
Speaker 3: he was as open today as he was at times
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they need somebody else.
Speaker 4: They need, they need a receiver to step up.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw one out here on
Speaker 1: the bad list, and I want you guys to explain
Speaker 1: to me why it's not all that bad or why
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it the wrong way. Okay, but I
Speaker 1: have Ramandria Stevenson on my bad list today. Okay, I
Speaker 1: won't necessarily push back on it, but this is a
Speaker 1: case of you know, and we've talked about this many
Speaker 1: times over the years. Philosophically, we're looking at is from
Speaker 1: a very patriot centric standpoint of the game. If you're
Speaker 1: watching this game as a neutral observer, do you say
Speaker 1: Ramandre Stevenson had a bad game or the Jacksonville run
Speaker 1: defense was very good. I get it.
Speaker 3: He got a little existential crisis there that you got
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: Because what more did you both? What more did you
Speaker 1: want him to do today that he didn't do. It's
Speaker 1: not like you fumbled the ball, No, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's not like he was running backwards and trying to improvise.
Speaker 1: There was There were plenty of instances today. There was
Speaker 1: just nowhere for him to go.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that, Mike. Do you he wasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily on my list, but I'm not necessary. I don't
Speaker 3: think it was like a what are you crazy? He
Speaker 3: had a great game?
Speaker 1: No, Kevin seven for eighteen. That's kind of how I
Speaker 1: felt about thirty eight rushing yards total for the team
Speaker 1: to day.
Speaker 4: It was just kind of it was kind of how
Speaker 4: I felt about the defense to where it was just
Speaker 4: like eighteen of them from dr a bad effort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your running backs combined for twenty yards today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the game, which is weird because you thought,
Speaker 4: I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Look at that it's over here for me.
Speaker 5: I mean, you would have thought after they got out to.
Speaker 4: A ten point lead that they'd have more than fifteen
Speaker 4: carries in the whole game, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they couldn't they couldn't run the ball. I
Speaker 3: think that they I think they wanted to throw it
Speaker 3: to get a lead Mike and get off to a
Speaker 3: good start with Drake May, and then they wanted to
Speaker 3: sort of mix in the run.
Speaker 1: And you had mentioned in the middle of your your
Speaker 1: Drake May boosh that the play call.
Speaker 3: I didn't think there was really anything wrong with play
Speaker 3: calling today. I just don't think they executed it all
Speaker 3: in the last three quests.
Speaker 4: It might have literally just boiled down to a couple
Speaker 4: like first and second down throws on those middle possessions
Speaker 4: where they ended up having a punk where it.
Speaker 3: Just felt like he got a little wild in the.
Speaker 5: You know, there was a couple I mean there was
Speaker 5: one driver. They went backwards.
Speaker 4: I think that might have been the first punt to day,
Speaker 4: like even the field goal.
Speaker 3: The field goal drive, I thought he had borne coming
Speaker 3: across and you kind of threw a wobbler that looked
Speaker 3: like he came out of his hand a little funny,
Speaker 3: a little bit out in front of him. I thought
Speaker 3: it could have been caught, but it wasn't a great throw.
Speaker 3: I thought he got a little a little way, but
Speaker 3: yeah they did. They didn't run the ball well at
Speaker 3: all today, not all where else.
Speaker 1: You want to go on the bad list their duce.
Speaker 4: Ah God, I feel like I'm just so mad at
Speaker 4: the defense. Can I go back to them again?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I just big plays, big plays again. And
Speaker 4: that's I mean, maybe it's under the same umbrella as
Speaker 4: what I said earlier.
Speaker 3: But the bomb was a big, big play in the
Speaker 3: game momentum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just they can't stop the big plays.
Speaker 5: And that's you know when.
Speaker 4: You just you talk about fundamental defense hardy when you're
Speaker 4: team up in the pregame show, and that's you know,
Speaker 4: it's one thing to be bad at tackling, but then
Speaker 4: if you start giving up big plays, it's just it's
Speaker 4: pick your poison right now. In a bad way for
Speaker 4: the Patriots defense, they can't get off blocks, they can't
Speaker 4: make tackles for losses in the run game, you know,
Speaker 4: they can't really put the offense in it, you know,
Speaker 4: in bad situations. Everything just felt like the whole game
Speaker 4: from that first possession on was Trevor Lawrence and the
Speaker 4: Jags kind of dictating what they wanted to do. And
Speaker 4: oh yeah, they got a penalty, so all right, a
Speaker 4: little all right, but they just made it right back okay,
Speaker 4: in another eight yard run.
Speaker 5: So so big yard big plays.
Speaker 1: The bomb the past to Thomas fifty eight yards, okay,
Speaker 1: which which set up the second.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's put Gonzo in there. Maybe we can
Speaker 5: put gonzwn I.
Speaker 3: Had zero bomb, you know, you know that whole that
Speaker 3: whole sequence, because that's a six play, eighty eighty two.
Speaker 1: Yard drive something like that. Watching it in real times
Speaker 1: for eighty two, I had the same thought that you did, Paul,
Speaker 1: which was the coverage wasn't bad on that? Yeah? Then
Speaker 1: I saw the replay and then you see that Tomas
Speaker 1: he gets he gets behind him, and let's let's give
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence credit here. Throw what a pass? Yeah, good
Speaker 1: throw in good catch, Yeah, good throw, good catch. But
Speaker 1: that is the momentum changer for that game. You jump
Speaker 1: out to a ton nothing lead, and after that pass,
Speaker 1: you put the Jags in position to take the lead
Speaker 1: fourteen to ten.
Speaker 3: I agree, and that's it. That's I mean, that's a
Speaker 3: good throw too. To Christian Kirk, you know, I thought,
Speaker 3: like I said, I thought, if if Jacksonville wanted to
Speaker 3: make this, you know, like a forty forty pass attempt game.
Speaker 3: I think it would have been thirty two to sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like I just think they could have done
Speaker 3: whatever they wanted. And that was too easy, by the way.
Speaker 1: That was that the.
Speaker 3: First touchdown, the one to thomasin right in the middle,
Speaker 3: that was way too easy. He was wide open right
Speaker 3: off the snap. You could see it on the on
Speaker 3: the television screen.
Speaker 5: You didn't need the ALL twenty two.
Speaker 1: I didn't need the ALL twenty two.
Speaker 3: I just needed two eyes and needed too, not twenty two.
Speaker 5: There it comes there.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 3: So like you watch that, you see like like see
Speaker 3: here's where you can see how much he gets beat by. Look,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of separation right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two folds, you know. And if I think if.
Speaker 3: The throw the throw was the throw was pretty good,
Speaker 3: but I think if the throw was more toward the
Speaker 3: middle of the field, he might catch that in stride.
Speaker 4: And uh, it's a lot on Gonzalez right now, but
Speaker 4: they need they need more from him, I mean the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks. I mean, if they're going to
Speaker 4: be this bad on defense, you just have to be
Speaker 4: able to count on something and right now he's just,
Speaker 4: you know, a little bit off.
Speaker 5: With these really good receivers.
Speaker 4: Digs last week on the touchdown, similar kind of plate
Speaker 4: this week. Brian Thomas, who's the youngster. Brian Thomas just
Speaker 4: kind of had the edge on them all day.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately for Gonzales, it's not like things got easier
Speaker 1: for him within the division this pass.
Speaker 4: Why did someone get a new star receives.
Speaker 1: He's a couple of couple of teams, a couple of
Speaker 1: guys worried about that.
Speaker 3: And I keep saying the same thing with Gonzales, And
Speaker 3: I know people think I'm a broken record, and I am,
Speaker 3: But when I see the locked up one on one,
Speaker 3: I see that a lot, and I wonder if that's
Speaker 3: why they don't lock him up one on one with
Speaker 3: the other team's best receiver. I know the announcers say
Speaker 3: it every week, but Evan comes in every Tuesday and
Speaker 3: tells me that that's not the case. He comes in
Speaker 3: with numbers of how many times he's man to man
Speaker 3: on the other team's number one receiver, and it's not
Speaker 3: anywhere near as often as it's sort of made out
Speaker 3: to be. In the aftermath of these games, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you had someone on Twitter today claim that
Speaker 3: Michael Winnu allowed his first sack of the season as
Speaker 3: a tackle. I'm like, I'm sorry, that's not true. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't care if you credited him with giving up
Speaker 3: a tackle. He's given up tons of pressures and tackle
Speaker 3: in sacks.
Speaker 1: I thought it was his year. I was pronounced I knew,
Speaker 1: which is how I heard on the telecast today or
Speaker 1: something else along with City Sue.
Speaker 3: So, so, do you have a bad that you would
Speaker 3: like to contribute to this?
Speaker 1: I got a special teams. I mean, ninety six returns not.
Speaker 3: Great, So I would add to that ninety six yard
Speaker 3: part return, which obviously is completely unacceptable. But then you
Speaker 3: go offside on the extra point which allows them to
Speaker 3: go for two.
Speaker 1: I that's a that's quite a little.
Speaker 5: That's a a double whimmy.
Speaker 1: Quite a little double whimmy. That's pop pop bang. It's
Speaker 1: I miss Hardy. Sorry Matt. By the way, Matt Smith
Speaker 1: calling in today for the pregame. Great to have him here.
Speaker 1: And Matt Smith will of course return and we will
Speaker 1: have the interim host back next week presonably. Matt Smith
Speaker 1: is the internmost that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: No, in all seriousness, I know he's not listening, but
Speaker 3: I'll say it anyway. He's doing a great job and
Speaker 3: we're having uh, we're having some fun. Mike and I
Speaker 3: have pull the fun out of him, you know what,
Speaker 3: he wanted to be really serious at first. We're trying
Speaker 3: to rip the fun right out.
Speaker 1: Of Let's rewind a little bit. Let's put Matt Smith
Speaker 1: on the good list. You know what, he gives good phone.
Speaker 5: What was that?
Speaker 4: I don't have any other bads? No, I mean, oh,
Speaker 4: you have any other bads. I could spend the next
Speaker 4: hour talking about how bad the defense was.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so yeah, we I think we exhausted the
Speaker 3: decision to go for two, right, Oh yeah, I think
Speaker 3: I think that I hated the game with eight twenty
Speaker 3: two left, I think.
Speaker 1: That doesn't even necessarily belong on this show talking about
Speaker 1: in the game because I hate it in general and
Speaker 1: eate hate it.
Speaker 3: Fourth and three from their own thirty seven early in
Speaker 3: the second half.
Speaker 1: I believe they do the fa coctai. We're going to
Speaker 1: try to draw him off.
Speaker 5: Nobody's buying nesting anymore?
Speaker 1: Oh that old gag? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it? No? No, we're not doing it. We're not
Speaker 1: doing it all right. Injuries, Robinson went down early.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he went out. Gibson was out.
Speaker 3: Gibson came back, but he was out quick. I don't
Speaker 3: think Robinson came back though.
Speaker 1: I think it looks like an ankle so so soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, daniel Lequale, I wouldn't be surprised if we're hearing head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did he ever come back?
Speaker 5: I didn't see him.
Speaker 3: He took a good There was that eleven minute drive.
Speaker 3: He was involved in one of those run stuffs at
Speaker 3: the end inside the ten and.
Speaker 1: He took a good hit. Pop Douglas. Watch is that's
Speaker 1: not it?
Speaker 5: I don't know what happened with Douglas.
Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't that's not out of broadcast either.
Speaker 1: He was sick, and then he wasn't sick because he
Speaker 1: was in the game, and then he got sick again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know, Like i'd be curious to
Speaker 3: see what his snaps are, the snap total. I don't
Speaker 3: think that will be out yet. But yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: really notice that he was because the Patriots possessed the
Speaker 3: balls so infrequently in that sort of stretch from the
Speaker 3: second quarter through the ten minute mark or the fourth quarter,
Speaker 3: they almost never had the ball, so I didn't realize
Speaker 3: how infrequently Douglas was on the field, but I guess
Speaker 3: he was dealing.
Speaker 1: Steve Weisch said he was dealing with an injury. You
Speaker 1: think about Jalen Polk we mentioned and how much time
Speaker 1: they possessed the ball on their on their first two
Speaker 1: possessions which went for scores and then crazy, the time
Speaker 1: of possession ends up being thirty three fifteen versus twenty
Speaker 1: six forty five for the Patriots, So that tells you
Speaker 1: how much they possessed the ball after those scoring drugs.
Speaker 5: Just figure that out. That was something you were like,
Speaker 5: this is great there.
Speaker 4: The time possession is crazy on the Patriots side, and
Speaker 4: then it just completely swung.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my watch him like I'm going to
Speaker 1: be I'm going to be a home in time for
Speaker 1: a late lunch.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: No, okayr it is souper weird?
Speaker 5: Is supper on Sundays?
Speaker 1: No, we don't do that. Supper dog has suppered for
Speaker 1: some reason. We call it supper for the dog. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: breakfast and supper? Did she ever supper? All right? Because
Speaker 1: it's early, it's five o'clocks, you know, what that little
Speaker 1: SCAMPI start asking for her supper thirty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's too early.
Speaker 1: Elder dog dog gone, No, she's not elderly. How dare
Speaker 1: you what a card? Mike? You're an absolute caution.
Speaker 3: Paul, You're a panic and I hate when I'm not involved.
Speaker 5: But we just haven't gotten to buy you quote. That's
Speaker 5: the only thing we haven't. We haven't checked that one yet.
Speaker 1: But oh well, I got the booty ran by you
Speaker 1: though I did it. I was gonna say, but I
Speaker 1: was watching the game separately from YouTube. Uh Tamara and
Speaker 1: I went in and watched it on an actual, big
Speaker 1: size television. But I did hear the service of not
Speaker 1: making the buy you joke. When you know what that
Speaker 1: she did chat Hunter Henry passed on the scene. You
Speaker 1: know what that allowed me to do, Mike, is to
Speaker 1: end my streak, oh of playing the trend.
Speaker 4: Oh there you go, good one.
Speaker 11: Pa.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you on that one, because I don't know
Speaker 5: we you did? You did? I'll I owe you, I
Speaker 5: owe you one.
Speaker 1: Let's take some phone calls here eight five five pats
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Speaker 1: Nashville to get us started here on the Patriots postgame show,
Speaker 1: which is presented by DraftKings. Go ahead, what do you
Speaker 1: got for us? Kevin?
Speaker 12: Hey?
Speaker 13: Can I just rip like two or three tanks real quick?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Already took the tea back. You're way better than that nofense, Matt, No,
Speaker 13: that's not it is true anyway, Jalen Polk can't catch
Speaker 13: a ball. That's very unfortunate. Also, Juwan Bentley being out
Speaker 13: is apparently the biggest thing ever because they can't stop
Speaker 13: the run, so that's an issue. And then also Drake
Speaker 13: May it seems like whatever he does well, the team
Speaker 13: just is not ready for what he does.
Speaker 1: Team is not I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I understand that last point.
Speaker 14: Kevin well, well, it seems like he's like even if
Speaker 14: he plays well well. Also, the popped out was thing
Speaker 14: spas me out today because I was like trying to
Speaker 14: figure out what was going on. I was like, why
Speaker 14: is he not on the field? All was chaking Twitter
Speaker 14: and they're like, oh, he's sick. And then why do
Speaker 14: you play the first five reps of the game and
Speaker 14: then not come back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, sometimes this kind of gets a
Speaker 1: little inside football, and you know, we've had former players
Speaker 1: tell us, you know, they can they can do things.
Speaker 1: They can do things for you to get you ready
Speaker 1: to play the game. And those things have a shelf
Speaker 1: life in terms of how long they're gonna make you love.
Speaker 14: I would love to try those drugs.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm just saying, even if, even if
Speaker 1: it's like a dehydration issue and that there was talk
Speaker 1: of ivs going on for whatever he was dealing with,
Speaker 1: after a while, it wears off, and if you know,
Speaker 1: you come back out after halftime you're like, I can't go,
Speaker 1: Then he can't go. I'm not put it on Pop Douglas,
Speaker 1: But I think I know what you're saying, Kevin about
Speaker 1: Drake May. I don't think he's playing beyond you know,
Speaker 1: what his his teammates and receivers are willing to do.
Speaker 1: He's certainly not there as a rookie star.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's not ready for that. He's not he's not
Speaker 3: ready for it.
Speaker 14: But and that's what I'm saying. I think he's playing solid.
Speaker 14: But it's like if it pops not on the field,
Speaker 14: who does he have to throw it to? Because Bolt's
Speaker 14: gonna drop it. He's got kJ Osborne that will catch
Speaker 14: a wide oven pass.
Speaker 1: But I mean Hunter Henry that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they obviously need more weapons. But can we
Speaker 3: agree that he had opportunities to make some places that
Speaker 3: he made bad throws on too?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: Like I think he was really good based on this
Speaker 3: was his second career start. Yeah, like not really good,
Speaker 3: Like in terms of NFL quarterbacks, he was good for
Speaker 3: where he is in his development, right right.
Speaker 14: He misses a lot of throws, but he also makes
Speaker 14: throws that just get dropped or sticked. And it's like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't really see that all that often. To be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I didn't see it. I mean Pope dropping it.
Speaker 1: Pulpe dropped two passes. Who else dropped one?
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 3: Because it didn't happen. This is my point. Like he
Speaker 3: had Born coming across the middle wide open and overthrew him.
Speaker 3: You know, like there's there's like I said, Drake may
Speaker 3: is right where you want him to be as a
Speaker 3: guy who's making a second career start. But let's not
Speaker 3: like you know, one of and one have pulled all
Speaker 3: on everybody else that they're not more more productive.
Speaker 1: Part of it is on him.
Speaker 14: I'm not trying to annoy him as no.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you're not. I know you're not.
Speaker 12: Kevin.
Speaker 1: I know it.
Speaker 14: Seems like he's getting a little bit let down, but
Speaker 14: he's like he's also a fault too. But I mean, honestly,
Speaker 14: the main thing was I was just blown that Douglas
Speaker 14: just was gone after the first it was.
Speaker 1: It was surprising. I'm not gonna lie to you, I
Speaker 1: was shocked. I want to understand in the aftermath, Kevin, thanks.
Speaker 5: For the call. I just real quick.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you already said this, but Andrew
Speaker 4: Callahan talked to Pop in the locker room, said he's
Speaker 4: been vomiting all day, could stand up a focus, said
Speaker 4: it got worse throughout the day, so he's he's sick.
Speaker 4: He was fighting through lamb like they said it on
Speaker 4: the Oh, that's a great Mutton.
Speaker 1: I don't know what has got nothing on this?
Speaker 5: Not something in your crumpet?
Speaker 1: Do you want me the crumpet? I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Stuck with the Mutton.
Speaker 4: Mutton Mutton was working, probably more likely the Mutton play.
Speaker 5: I overthought it.
Speaker 1: That Super Cops story that was working one of the
Speaker 1: polk drops was that across the middle where the ball
Speaker 1: was out in front of him a little bit and
Speaker 1: he had his arms extended.
Speaker 3: Was that, Well, no, he had one. I think we're
Speaker 3: going to see the first one right here. That's a
Speaker 3: drop like and I know that the defensive back comes
Speaker 3: over and he comes in and rapes in between. You
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta catch that ball. The second one I
Speaker 3: put on May. The second one he was open and
Speaker 3: the ball was a little.
Speaker 1: Bit late and short.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and allowed I think your guy to don dunk
Speaker 3: dounk to come over and break it up.
Speaker 1: Right this one? Oh no, not that one.
Speaker 3: That play was whistled for a penalty that was passing
Speaker 3: appearance the.
Speaker 5: Like instant like the instant throw the flag.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I say.
Speaker 3: I think that's how I think that was the pass defance.
Speaker 1: I don't don't quote me on that.
Speaker 3: Every once in a while the all twenty two does
Speaker 3: get me. So I think that was the past inference.
Speaker 1: But and deuce. The players only do that to help
Speaker 1: the officials. Sometimes they don't see the past. Thank you. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize you should be throwing a flag, Just
Speaker 1: so you know, I don't want you to be embarrassed.
Speaker 4: There was some cheating going on there, and you need
Speaker 4: to call it exactly.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to Cameron in North Carolina. Hello, Camera,
Speaker 1: thanks for being on the Patriots postgame show with Hardy
Speaker 1: and Paul and Deuce. What do you got cam com
Speaker 1: com All right, my.
Speaker 3: Hm, David, this is the one I was talking about.
Speaker 3: I thought that, yeah, this one. I think you see
Speaker 3: how he's backpedaling, he's open, and I think this a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of a.
Speaker 3: Problem that I put that on both Polk and May.
Speaker 3: I thought cover two shots timing. The timing was a
Speaker 3: little off there. I thought he was open settling in
Speaker 3: the in the hole and the ball wasn't there in time.
Speaker 3: By the time it was, the guy had come over,
Speaker 3: And I mean, yeah, like you could call that a drop.
Speaker 1: I think that's tough.
Speaker 4: That's to catch.
Speaker 1: Dad what happens when he works, David. I apologize for
Speaker 1: making you wait, oh sorry, go ahead, David. That will
Speaker 1: be my fault. It's like, how you guys doing good?
Speaker 15: So you want me to start with the positive or
Speaker 15: the negative?
Speaker 1: Take here a positive? Please?
Speaker 15: All right? So the positive I've come away with these
Speaker 15: last two games is that May is not mac Jones,
Speaker 15: and that is at the very least really good. He
Speaker 15: does not need the situation around him to be He
Speaker 15: doesn't need two top ten receivers to put up two
Speaker 15: hundred and fifty yards. He can do it with the
Speaker 15: guys we have, and that's good to see, you know.
Speaker 15: I'm glad he, you know, limited some of the turnovers today,
Speaker 15: although he had a couple that probably should have been
Speaker 15: picked off. But you know, I think he's doing I think,
Speaker 15: like Paul said, he's right where you want him to be.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 15: So for the negative side, is it fair to say
Speaker 15: this might be like the worst defensive showing since the
Speaker 15: wild card game? Because what did they have one stop
Speaker 15: in the last three quarters?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think this has been consistent of the way the
Speaker 3: defense has played this season.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4: I get they did force two punts and seventeen.
Speaker 5: They didn't get any the fact.
Speaker 15: That we've we've lost by more sixteen or more points
Speaker 15: in four of our last five games. And I have
Speaker 15: to also mention, like I understand the circumstances and everything
Speaker 15: of what happened. It's you know, but of the four
Speaker 15: guys that were supposed to be running the defense, I
Speaker 15: honestly think we kept two of the worst ones, Steve
Speaker 15: and Bill, where I think the ones who sort of
Speaker 15: brought the whole game plan together. And I feel like
Speaker 15: Mayo and Covington were the ones who communicated it to
Speaker 15: the players. But I feel like they're not. They just
Speaker 15: don't have a game plan for the defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying to myself or anyone else who cared
Speaker 1: to hear me, I can't remember seeing a Patriots defense
Speaker 1: look like this for seven games.
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm saying. I think this isn't and
Speaker 3: I agree with I agree with David. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think this has been indicative though, like the scores, like
Speaker 3: for as many points as they have allowed, they've been
Speaker 3: kind of fortunate to only allow what they've allowed. You know,
Speaker 3: like Christian kirk Bailey being out of bounds on that play,
Speaker 3: and I would like to see a replay again to
Speaker 3: see if that first foot when he caught it was down.
Speaker 3: I think the foot that came down out of bounds
Speaker 3: might have been the third foot. Obviously, they go for
Speaker 3: eleven minute drive and come away with no points because
Speaker 3: they they failed to block on the fullth down play
Speaker 3: like the Seattle game, all those drop passes that the
Speaker 3: Seahawks had in that game, Like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stops quote unquote that the Patriots
Speaker 3: have gotten that they didn't have a whole lot to
Speaker 3: do with and their struggle, this struggle. I think David's right.
Speaker 3: I think this this is like wild Card, Like you
Speaker 3: know that that twenty twenty one Wildcard game.
Speaker 5: Like can I can.
Speaker 15: I point out something that you had on your your
Speaker 15: good list real quick?
Speaker 1: Okay? Sure, uh you had.
Speaker 15: I think you had a VP on your good list
Speaker 15: for a bit.
Speaker 3: I feel like, well just for the start they got out.
Speaker 15: For the start yet start, but like what what? I
Speaker 15: feel like we were running a lot of plays that
Speaker 15: are not what's the word like related to Drake Me's
Speaker 15: skill set? Like why are we running so many line
Speaker 15: it like screen passes behind the line of scrimmage? Why
Speaker 15: are we running so much when we can't we don't
Speaker 15: have a run game.
Speaker 3: I don't think you ran the ball as often as
Speaker 3: you think you did today.
Speaker 15: It felt like it's still I think I think they.
Speaker 3: Attempted twelve runs and I would say that the first
Speaker 3: touchdowns of screen like it's a that's that's a blitz
Speaker 3: beating screen to Jamichael Hasty, like when they don't work,
Speaker 3: you're like, why are you calling that? When it does work,
Speaker 3: you know and listen. I would say that Alex van Pelt,
Speaker 3: I gave him some credit for coming up with a
Speaker 3: good game plan, a good script. Well that's only part
Speaker 3: of it, Like, you got to figure out what's going
Speaker 3: on the rest of the game. Once the game declares,
Speaker 3: you have to figure out how am I going to
Speaker 3: adjust and move the ball? And they had no answers,
Speaker 3: So I by no means am I saying Alex van
Speaker 3: Pelt painted a Picasso today. They got off to a
Speaker 3: good start and then they went They went south for
Speaker 3: a while, and that's that's unacceptable. You've got to be
Speaker 3: better than that.
Speaker 1: Thanks, David, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: UH just a little nuanced, I think, Paul, to feedback
Speaker 4: on something that you've been saying a lot about the defense,
Speaker 4: was that you thought, because hear a lot of people
Speaker 4: going like, how do you go from a top ten
Speaker 4: defense to the worst?
Speaker 5: I think that they didn't quite start at that position.
Speaker 4: Is as you've pointed out, many times they you know,
Speaker 4: I think the last couple of years, there probably were
Speaker 4: plenty of.
Speaker 3: Exams yet to play a backup quarterback of Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: They played one Bill.
Speaker 5: Bellichick out scheming a backup quarterback.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's a big piece of some
Speaker 4: of their defensive success over the last couple of years
Speaker 4: was getting favorable matchups against backup quarterbacks, like you said,
Speaker 4: on more than a few occasions. And you know, give
Speaker 4: Bill credits. Certainly he knows the right game plan to
Speaker 4: go against those guys. But I just I don't know
Speaker 4: if if the drop off has been quite as dramatic
Speaker 4: as some people will make it out to be because
Speaker 4: of what their rankings were. But I think that they're,
Speaker 4: you know, they're a defense right now that that's really struggling.
Speaker 4: And I mean in a variety of areas.
Speaker 1: From hyperbole to nuance and this du this deuce kid
Speaker 1: range my autobiography.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just trying to I don't know the nuance.
Speaker 4: Paul is the one who points out the nuance all
Speaker 4: the time, which is just you know that they're that
Speaker 4: you know, you'll just look at the numbers and you say, wow,
Speaker 4: this was a great defense last year.
Speaker 5: Was it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Would that be the title of your autobiography from Hyperbole
Speaker 1: to Nuance? Well, it talks about your development as a human.
Speaker 5: I already got the title, I just I don't want
Speaker 5: to share it yet.
Speaker 1: Though, Diary of Indignities. Oh, I like it? Uh Isaac
Speaker 1: in South Dakota here on the Patriots post game show
Speaker 1: high Isaac II.
Speaker 12: Guys, so.
Speaker 16: Talking about like wide receiver ones, like wide receivers, what
Speaker 16: if we did like a trade for like Cooper Cups? Maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 16: like a late route like some draft picks for Cooper Cups,
Speaker 16: like not like early on, but somewhat cheap because I
Speaker 16: feel like he's going to be a cheap since he's
Speaker 16: gotten injured in the past two years, he hasn't played
Speaker 16: very much.
Speaker 1: And then why do the Rams want to make that trade?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 16: What do you guys? Would you guys consider making that
Speaker 16: trade for?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 3: I would absolutely I would. I were the Patriots, I would.
Speaker 3: If I were the Rams, I wouldn't. Why would you
Speaker 3: want Why would the Rams want to trade Cooper Cup?
Speaker 16: Because? I mean, because he's been injured the past two
Speaker 16: Like it's just because he's been so injured the past
Speaker 16: two years.
Speaker 14: He hasn't really played that much.
Speaker 16: I think Pukah's coming back, I believe. And then there
Speaker 16: I don't know why that. Why wouldn't they take draft
Speaker 16: picks for Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: Because he's good and he's good. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: something else, Isaac, I'm not giving up a third round
Speaker 1: or for anybody right now because I think you can
Speaker 1: go find receivers in the third round.
Speaker 3: Well, I just would look at it and say, the Rams,
Speaker 3: you know, they have a veteran quarterback. They're not looking
Speaker 3: to get rid of guys, you know, especially guys that
Speaker 3: are under contract.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys that are under contract and injured or not
Speaker 1: have shown to be Yeah, he's a good player, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, there's a guy that can catch the
Speaker 1: ball from our veteran quarterback. We're going to keep him.
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Speaker 1: Matt Smith is that he's in London. He called in earlier.
Speaker 1: It's great to hear from Matt.
Speaker 5: Hope he didn't have the mutton.
Speaker 1: Oh man, there's a bad case the Mutton's going around,
Speaker 1: Maybe for Mario Douglas, who knows who else. Maybe they
Speaker 1: would explain a lot of things, maybe a lot of
Speaker 1: the defensive players and they just played through it. But
Speaker 1: uh no. The Patriots suffer a loss today to the Jaguars,
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Speaker 1: talk to John who is in South Beach. Are you
Speaker 1: in South Beach? Are you on South Beach? John? I
Speaker 1: remember asking you this question before, but I just want
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Speaker 8: It's an important question. I am in South Beach, not
Speaker 8: currently laying on the beach. I'm fortune okay.
Speaker 1: And you've called into this program before, yes, I have.
Speaker 8: And Paul even give to me the nickname Johnny South Beach,
Speaker 8: which I have embraced wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: That's a cool nickname. That is accurate. Man is good
Speaker 1: already Southpeach, John? What do you? What do you got
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Speaker 8: A couple quick things. First of all, hearing your Dulcie
Speaker 8: tones today, Hardy makes the lost hurt five percent less
Speaker 8: o no no shade, no shade to Matt. But Hardy,
Speaker 8: Hardy is the one that got away. I was just
Speaker 8: I kind of want to swear something before you know,
Speaker 8: everybody starts like discussing on Twitter, fighting about it on
Speaker 8: the radio on that near pit Row to Osbourne. Immediately though,
Speaker 8: is like screaming that Osborne didn't run a good route,
Speaker 8: and then everyone on Twitter is like made and throw
Speaker 8: the ball quick enough to pass break up. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 8: What from your guys' perspective, actually happened on that play
Speaker 8: and who's the most to blame.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see, can we put it up?
Speaker 5: I'll break it down for you live. Maybe we could
Speaker 5: get the chick.
Speaker 3: I really look forward to this.
Speaker 1: Can you get a telestraight her off from my No,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna look at it here hopefully, and uh, well,
Speaker 1: we'll come to a consensus here among the three of
Speaker 1: us as to whether or not it was a bad pass,
Speaker 1: a bad route, or just bad luck. I my gut
Speaker 1: tells me that the route maybe was a little bit off.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember in my mind's eye, but I'm
Speaker 1: hesitant to to say one way or the other. Without
Speaker 1: looking at it again, I can tell you it was.
Speaker 8: Zoe was streaming saying that Osborne is supposed to cut
Speaker 8: more towards the quarterback on that route, and I was like,
Speaker 8: I love though, but he's a little QB oh.
Speaker 3: Wide receiver right that route, right, especially this QB Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think you would have been as forgiving if
Speaker 3: it were.
Speaker 1: We're set making the same throw. Now. The good news is,
Speaker 1: I'm sure uh Drake May who will hear from here
Speaker 1: in a little while, did not put the uh the
Speaker 1: onus on his receivers a la Aaron Rodgers last week
Speaker 1: talking about here the red line line. You got a
Speaker 1: red line and it has nothing to do with uh.
Speaker 1: I think it was Andrew Kantllahan who said, maybe take
Speaker 1: some accountability for throwing a no look past forty yards
Speaker 1: down the field, and uh, you know that maybe takes
Speaker 1: some of it on yourself. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: these are all part of the It's part of the
Speaker 1: learning curve for these guys getting together and and getting
Speaker 1: first team reps for only what the third week now
Speaker 1: second third week, you know, getting the majority of them
Speaker 1: and figuring things out. It's his second start, and I
Speaker 1: don't get Maybe something else that Zoe has said, which
Speaker 1: I happen to agree with, and if you go back
Speaker 1: and look at starts from quarterbacks, there's something to it.
Speaker 1: You need three starts before you can really make any
Speaker 1: kind of real determination. Let that quarterback have the game
Speaker 1: plan for a week. Let them get the install let
Speaker 1: them develop some rapport if there is any with the receivers,
Speaker 1: and then you start making decisions on what he's good at,
Speaker 1: what he's bad at. You can't do it after a game,
Speaker 1: and if you do it after two games, you're doing
Speaker 1: everybody a disservice, you know, after three games and then
Speaker 1: and then maybe we'll be able to make a better
Speaker 1: determination on specific things like that. John, it's a good question, though.
Speaker 1: We'll take a look at it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we'll break the film.
Speaker 1: We'll let you know. I'll let you know anything else.
Speaker 8: John, Well, since since you're on Hardy, I've been waiting
Speaker 8: to share my favorite Hooper quote or when Austin Hooper
Speaker 8: has a good game, But I just don't think that's
Speaker 8: going to happen, so I'm just going to share it anyway.
Speaker 8: It's when Hooper standing in front of the boat and
Speaker 8: he says, don't give me any of that working class
Speaker 8: bureau crap. I think, yeah, basically, yeah, that's the most line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're they're not in front of the boat.
Speaker 1: I believe they are in the shop. They're in Quinn's shops.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was boiling with the Hooper U S O. B.
Speaker 8: Line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 5: I like the subtle underspreath. I don't think so you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you think you know it all salty dog fishermen.
Speaker 4: But I have a degree. Yeah, and I'm going on
Speaker 4: the aurora.
Speaker 1: It's a floating asylum, is what it is. John, Thanks for.
Speaker 3: The call, which still doesn't really what not like it
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense, like it it's a floating asylum.
Speaker 1: What missus Brodie thinks it's hysterical.
Speaker 4: She is in the book They got after it together.
Speaker 4: That's it, That's it right.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know that until you told me
Speaker 1: about it. And now watching her react to him, I
Speaker 1: wonder if there's something in the back. There was something there,
Speaker 1: there's something there.
Speaker 4: I mean, miss Brodie, she you love you love. She
Speaker 4: was already feeling it earlier. She was like, Chief, you
Speaker 4: want to fool around and was like sure. He didn't
Speaker 4: really seem that much into it. So you could see
Speaker 4: where they're parent seeds of you know, Miss Brodie, she's
Speaker 4: she's looking around for a little action.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah.
Speaker 3: And then two, there's a clear inference. There's a clear
Speaker 3: inference to me that the hotel guy, you know, the
Speaker 3: business you know, the hotel business guy, and you know,
Speaker 3: and and Ellen is like the pr person.
Speaker 1: You know, there's something there.
Speaker 4: Right right, And then in four she's I don't know
Speaker 4: what we do without you know, it's like Brodie's body
Speaker 4: isn't even dry. She's jumping to Michael Kine playing around
Speaker 4: the which I mean, credit.
Speaker 1: To Michael Kine for still being willing to make time
Speaker 1: with her with that haircut, because that haircut climb against
Speaker 1: humanity that was bad.
Speaker 3: And credits to Michael Kine for still accepting checks for
Speaker 3: these roles.
Speaker 4: I mean, she stabbed the shark with the boat.
Speaker 5: All right, all right, you guys say.
Speaker 1: So Matt, and I'm with us, now go ahead, Matt,
Speaker 1: thanks for calling Patriots post game show.
Speaker 20: Hey yeah, thanks for having me. So just a couple
Speaker 20: of questions. First, so, how when was the last time
Speaker 20: you thought that the defense really looked like this consistently bad?
Speaker 16: I mean, and then the.
Speaker 20: Next question is, Drowd Mayo attreats this a lot to coaching,
Speaker 20: and when do you think that at what point can
Speaker 20: we actually like say it's not working, we need to
Speaker 20: shake something up with coaching, because I mean, if it's
Speaker 20: this consistently bad and we're having all these mistakes week
Speaker 20: after week after week. I mean, it can I mean,
Speaker 20: when when can we expect to get better? I'll take
Speaker 20: it off here, all right.
Speaker 5: I mean I'm looking back at twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's and then we always talk about
Speaker 4: twenty twenty is kind of a year where.
Speaker 5: Like hitting the reset button on the defense.
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone was really expecting that.
Speaker 1: Now, you're right, it was a bad defense.
Speaker 5: They were a bad defense. Just looking at some of
Speaker 5: some of their scores, just a bad u.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when can it get better? I really think
Speaker 3: it could be better next year, Like how much better?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think you can sort of make
Speaker 3: the jump from obviously where you are right now, which
Speaker 3: is not very good. I think you can make the
Speaker 3: jump from that to competitive in one year. And I
Speaker 3: think I think that it's going to require a good
Speaker 3: draft and some shrewd free agency moves. You can't just
Speaker 3: do one, you know, I know, this whole notion of
Speaker 3: like we're a draft and developed team, Like yeah, that's great,
Speaker 3: and I like that philosophy. I think they need to
Speaker 3: do better with their young players than they have, you know,
Speaker 3: in terms of developing but you can't just do that.
Speaker 3: You need to spend some of that money and get
Speaker 3: some talent in as well, some some proven talent. And
Speaker 3: I don't think that they've taken an enough advantage of
Speaker 3: those opportunities. But I think that they can. Listen, you
Speaker 3: draft a left tackle, you know, in the first round.
Speaker 3: Maybe you pick up a veteran receiver and draft a
Speaker 3: receiver that hit, and all of a sudden, you can be,
Speaker 3: you know, a competitive team next year. I don't think
Speaker 3: you're going to be necessarily a playoff team overnight, but
Speaker 3: it can happen quickly.
Speaker 1: It can happen quickly. I don't think it has to
Speaker 1: be just you know, over because they're rebuilding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were the worst run defense according to TVA
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty thirty, second twenty sixth overall, but you
Speaker 4: still look at points seventh and points fifteenth in yards.
Speaker 5: I mean they were.
Speaker 4: Still they still had a little something. So I think
Speaker 4: that there's probably somewhat an argument to be made this
Speaker 4: this defense is the worst one in a long time.
Speaker 1: Do Shawn and Virginia on the Patriots post game show?
Speaker 1: Height does Sean what's going on?
Speaker 11: Hey, how you guys doing good? Good, good, big. What
Speaker 11: I wanted to say is that I think John Gotsen,
Speaker 11: that's gonna be the same weekend and week out because
Speaker 11: there's a talent efficiency problem, mainly in the trenches. They
Speaker 11: can't rush the passer, uh, nor can they stop the running.
Speaker 11: On the other side, you can't protect the quarterback. So
Speaker 11: as long as that keeps happening, it's gonna be more
Speaker 11: of the same. You know. Like people talk about Gonzales
Speaker 11: and I look at the way of how they play them,
Speaker 11: I don't I'm not really a huge fan of it.
Speaker 11: The outside technique, not putting the hands on the guy
Speaker 11: or whatever. I mean, I think you should really utilize
Speaker 11: the skill set. I think they really don't you do
Speaker 11: that or whatever. So there's certain things as the coach
Speaker 11: maker is the problem, and there's a talent officiency problem.
Speaker 11: So those get addressed, won't They probably will never be fixed.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the the talent up the middle right
Speaker 1: now defensively, and Paul talked about it in the pregame show.
Speaker 1: That's not going to be fixed overnight. Uh. When you're
Speaker 1: talking about Gonzales and how they're playing things, you know,
Speaker 1: schematically in the secondary, maybe that's something that can be addressed.
Speaker 1: But again, personnel issues, Uh, if you're talking about more
Speaker 1: than two positions, U uh, this is this something that's
Speaker 1: going to be a process.
Speaker 3: Now, I agree, And it's yeah, it's you can't just
Speaker 3: like snap your fingers and be done. And I know
Speaker 3: people look at this and I do too. I'm guilty
Speaker 3: of it like, well, it's post Brady, so it's year
Speaker 3: five like and it is.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you you're wrong for thinking about it
Speaker 3: that way, but it's it's a little unfair to Girod
Speaker 3: Mayo and Elliott Wolf to look at it that way
Speaker 3: because they're just getting the opportunity right now to do
Speaker 3: this on their own. And we'll see if they if
Speaker 3: they end up doing it doing it right now, it's
Speaker 3: not off to a great start. I think that there's
Speaker 3: been so I think there were opportunities lost last year
Speaker 3: and resigning all of their players like they did. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to kill that, but like they didn't augment
Speaker 3: it with really anything. What did like what did they
Speaker 3: bring in like Antonio.
Speaker 4: Gibson, Yeah, Antonio, I mean like how much?
Speaker 3: I mean maybe Jalen Hawkins a little bit.
Speaker 5: I mean, I can run it right down for you.
Speaker 5: I mean most of them just.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about contributors, and no I know in the
Speaker 3: draft has not like really yielded anything.
Speaker 4: Beyond Austin Hooper.
Speaker 1: Hooper drives the boats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean between Leverett didn't work out, armand
Speaker 4: Watts didn't work out, a corps for it didn't work out. Uh,
Speaker 4: Taki Taki was a healthy scratch today he got you know,
Speaker 4: a two year deal.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: And a lot of these guys that you extended, I
Speaker 4: mean Born you're just starting to see him. But when
Speaker 4: you hasn't had a great year. kJ Osborne has kind
Speaker 4: of been an afterthought. Uh, Stevenson's been in out of
Speaker 4: their lineup and had some fumble issues. David Andrews is out,
Speaker 4: Gibril Peppers is out. I mean, gotcha looks pretty good.
Speaker 4: I mean that that you know, that's one piece that
Speaker 4: like a piece of it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just talking overall guys that you made
Speaker 4: an effort to give new contracts to over the last
Speaker 4: you know, six months.
Speaker 5: Not not a lot of them have have worked out.
Speaker 5: And a lot of them that you you know.
Speaker 3: I was just talking about like free agent additions, like
Speaker 3: they they made a decision to retain a lot of
Speaker 3: their own players, and that's fine, and I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: I mean, some of them, I've just talked about this
Speaker 3: all all off season. Some of them I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: brought back. But you know, individually, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: stand on a mountain and scream like, how did you
Speaker 3: resign that guy? But they didn't bring anything in to
Speaker 3: augment that, right, No, and you went forward to thirteen.
Speaker 3: I argued with you at Evan a lot like they're
Speaker 3: basically running it back with the same team, only they're
Speaker 3: changing the quarterback and they think it's going to be
Speaker 3: a magic fix. I didn't think it would be a
Speaker 3: magic fix.
Speaker 1: Right, And I don't know how much credit you're you're
Speaker 1: going to get from people, from critics and fans of
Speaker 1: life for resigning guys that have proven themselves even a
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, yeah, that's what you should do. The
Speaker 1: guys who can play you keep here unless there's someone
Speaker 1: out there, and in many cases there are someone else
Speaker 1: who could truly augment that position, then you bring them in.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So how about Eldred in North Carolina talk about sight
Speaker 1: for sore eyes or sore ears? Aldrid good to talk
Speaker 1: to you there. It is my man.
Speaker 21: He tell us, hey, hey, Hardy, how you doing.
Speaker 1: Good to hear from you.
Speaker 21: Yeah, Paul, Uh excuse me, Matt, Hey, uh, I want
Speaker 21: to piggyback off the other guy. But uh, Paul, you're
Speaker 21: right too. You can't kill Rod and Elliott. I can
Speaker 21: kill Ellie for part just draft, but the other five
Speaker 21: I put it on the building in this GM. And yeah,
Speaker 21: you know, but Gunso was a good corner, but guns
Speaker 21: can't cover speed.
Speaker 12: And Brian Thomas was.
Speaker 21: The third wire receive. I wanted Pope was nowhere near.
Speaker 21: I wanted Harrison or a d Mitchell or Brian Thomas,
Speaker 21: but we got Pope, you know, And which go against.
Speaker 3: What Brian Thomas off the board in the middle of
Speaker 3: the first round.
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, he didn't go to the middle, did he.
Speaker 3: I think he was a first round pick, right, Yeah?
Speaker 12: I thought he was.
Speaker 21: Okay, maybe yeah, mitchelluld have stuck around.
Speaker 3: Pa Mitchell if there was something happen with Mitchell. I
Speaker 3: don't know what the story is. But he dropped in
Speaker 3: the draft like he he went like a full round
Speaker 3: or so round and a half later than he was projected.
Speaker 1: Picked twenty three for Thomas. Thomas was twenty three, Yeah
Speaker 1: he was, he was longer three.
Speaker 21: Okay, well don't go Well my thing is this. Everybody
Speaker 21: pumped the break. This is a rebuild just to really
Speaker 21: the rebu start supposed to start with Bill, but he
Speaker 21: didn't do it right. So this is it. So we
Speaker 21: just out of talent, just like I've been saying it
Speaker 21: for years. If I would just to shoot me down
Speaker 21: and say we need some day sometimes you gotta get
Speaker 21: to afleet not the blue.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. Alters. Yeah, years and Aldred you've
Speaker 1: got you've got the right attitude about him. A lot
Speaker 1: of people that are not willing to accept the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, the rebuild wasn't done correctly, going back several
Speaker 1: years now and it's kind of like, okay, now it
Speaker 1: begins like, well what have we been doing? Uh, you
Speaker 1: were supposed to be doing it, but you really said.
Speaker 3: I don't think people that say that it's five years
Speaker 3: or wrong because it has been. Yes, and a lot
Speaker 3: of these guys were here too, like Elliott Wolf and
Speaker 3: mac growe were true were part. I mean I understand
Speaker 3: Bill had final say Bill, this the roster, the makeup
Speaker 3: of the roster is on Bill. I understand that, but
Speaker 3: these got the guys were part of the personnel department.
Speaker 4: Right and they had input on some of these draft
Speaker 4: picks that missed you.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
Speaker 21: To me, he's still drafting like Bill. To me, he's
Speaker 21: still drafting like Bill. That's why I say that doing
Speaker 21: that draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I don't know if Bill would have drafted May, but.
Speaker 21: No, he would. Yeah he had you could need a quarterback.
Speaker 21: If he did, he was crazy and running with day
Speaker 21: and death. That insanity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he Yeah, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: a good point. I know what Mike is saying, because
Speaker 3: Bill wasn't overly complimentary of May in the draft, but
Speaker 3: that was also maybe an ulterior motive involved there. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying knowing that he was going to the page.
Speaker 5: Now, that doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 1: Uh, Eldrick. Great to hear from you, my man. Thank you,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I love that dude for the Dolphins just recovered to
Speaker 3: fumble without a helmet.
Speaker 1: That's good. Cela Zach Seeler, big play. I think David
Speaker 1: Montgomery got u strip sacked in the in the Lions game,
Speaker 1: which is something you don't see all that all running
Speaker 1: gets through the line and and I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was one of the linebackers
Speaker 1: from Minnesota like took the ball away from him and
Speaker 1: came down with it on the ground before Montgomery even
Speaker 1: knew what happened. Like huh, all right, so I know,
Speaker 1: just real quick, like to Elder's point, like, I just
Speaker 1: I'd like to feel good about something other than Drake May.
Speaker 5: I feel pretty good about Drake May right now.
Speaker 1: I do too.
Speaker 5: I don't feel good.
Speaker 4: About anything else right now that I don't like. As
Speaker 4: much as you want to tell me about Gonzalez and
Speaker 4: Key and White and you know, Pop Douglas and and
Speaker 4: all that. I you know it, it's not consistent, and
Speaker 4: it certainly isn't getting better right now. And at some
Speaker 4: point they've got to turn the tide and put some
Speaker 4: places together. And it's just right now.
Speaker 1: What you got Halloween coming up? About that?
Speaker 5: Not like I used to.
Speaker 4: It's not fun with it when I was a kid
Speaker 4: or when my kids were little. Now it's just about
Speaker 4: where are my kids going they're gonna run around.
Speaker 3: The sweet spot was when the kids were like middle school,
Speaker 3: a little older than that it became like a neighborhood thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you get the rid solo cups going, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, but.
Speaker 1: Now you find that Halloween Central Street.
Speaker 3: And you know what really like, I don't know, like
Speaker 3: the neighborhoods you guys live. I don't know one comes
Speaker 3: to my like on my street because I live on
Speaker 3: a small street. There's only a handful of houses. Oh
Speaker 3: not only that your boy got hurt, David Montgomery's great,
Speaker 3: there's uh, there's not there's not a lot. There's only
Speaker 3: like eight houses on my street. There's like four on
Speaker 3: each side of the street. So no one really comes
Speaker 3: down my street.
Speaker 1: Aristocrat.
Speaker 4: Maybe if you get big, I didn't get it medium, right,
Speaker 4: get them big candy bars. Perlo's got the king size.
Speaker 3: Because a lot of times, you know, do you do
Speaker 3: the full size candy at your house?
Speaker 21: Uh?
Speaker 4: No no, because that's why no, because we don't roll
Speaker 4: the pennies for you.
Speaker 3: If we got popcorn balls, if we got the if
Speaker 3: you know, candy corn if we get.
Speaker 1: I've got the full time. If we've got the full full.
Speaker 3: Sized candy bars, and then no one shows up, who
Speaker 3: do you think eats it?
Speaker 11: Me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like I don't want that. Let me tell you. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you boys two things, and then I swear
Speaker 1: we'll get back to the postgame. Number one, candy corn.
Speaker 1: If you're out, you're out. But if you like it
Speaker 1: and you're just okay with it, here's what I say.
Speaker 1: You get a can of planters, salted shelled peanuts, okay,
Speaker 1: dump those in a bowl, and then you dump about
Speaker 1: half a bag of candy corn in there, and you
Speaker 1: just grab a handful. It is, and it's about a
Speaker 1: three to one mixture. You need three to four half
Speaker 1: nuts or nuts with one candy corn provide. Some people
Speaker 1: prefer more like a two to one. It's too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much candy corn, too much, it's delicious. And
Speaker 1: number two, I'm gonna throw this one at you. I
Speaker 1: was at a friend's last night and the woman brings
Speaker 1: out these Oh look at these ritz crackers. They're dipped
Speaker 1: in chocolate. Aren't these delicious? We all tried one, and
Speaker 1: we said, you know, we need peanut butter to dip this.
Speaker 1: I went across the street because I may peanut butter
Speaker 1: in this house. So readiness brought my peanut butter back
Speaker 1: over it. And that is a delightful treat. I don't
Speaker 1: think you want to hand him out for Halloween, but
Speaker 1: just for yourself. Good Cracker, Yeah, delicious? You get that?
Speaker 1: Do you get that reference? Ritz Cracker? Good Cracker, Eddie Murphy,
Speaker 1: Andy Griffith. Oh wow.
Speaker 3: So that's why that's why I went to you. Mike
Speaker 3: pretends he's.
Speaker 1: Not as old as I am, so I'm not. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know to Mike. You know that Andy Griffith
Speaker 1: show is one of my top three TV shows of
Speaker 1: all It's a great show. And if you're going to
Speaker 1: up to Pilot, could you get me a new pair
Speaker 1: of scissors? Mark in Providence on the Patriots postgame Hello, Mark.
Speaker 1: Mount Pilot.
Speaker 12: Looked at last year's season. To me, it didn't seem
Speaker 12: like a re building a team that needs to be rebuilt.
Speaker 12: I mean they lost seven games by less than seven points,
Speaker 12: in another game by seven points, so eight games by
Speaker 12: a touchdown a lot.
Speaker 3: Do you think when you go four and thirteen you're
Speaker 3: not a team that needs to be rebuilt. When you
Speaker 3: lose to Tommy DeVito and Trevor Simeon.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 12: And any if you watched all the games, Mac Jones
Speaker 12: was a huge problem. So I mean you're going to
Speaker 12: change the quarterback. You had to receive a left tackle
Speaker 12: and keep adding to the defense. Now, this team, that's
Speaker 12: a lot needs to be completely rebuilt.
Speaker 3: But you needed all those things that you just said,
Speaker 3: that's a that's that's a that's a rebuilt, Like you
Speaker 3: need a left tackle, a receiver in adding to the defense, like.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of stuff. That's a lot of stuff, Mark.
Speaker 3: And that's not even taken into consideration. Does the quarterback work?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 1: Did he? Did it pan out?
Speaker 3: Like we knew you took the quarterback at three, But
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean it's gonna work. A lot of teams,
Speaker 3: you know, find themselves in that quarterback carousel.
Speaker 12: Okay, but you've moved down from the three and you
Speaker 12: address your offensive line, and they got a ton of money,
Speaker 12: they could have brought in a couple of skilled guys.
Speaker 12: Still the other holes and you still had all them
Speaker 12: other drasticks.
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you do a quarterback? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, mar I'll just say this.
Speaker 3: I just don't know how you watched last year and
Speaker 3: you deceived yourself into thinking they only lost ten to
Speaker 3: seven to Tommy DeVito, so they weren't that far away.
Speaker 1: Well, this comes from years of sitting at the.
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew's ten to six. We're right there, Like they
Speaker 3: lost to one backup quarterback after another, right, and yeah,
Speaker 3: the games were closed because the other teams were all
Speaker 3: playing their backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And Deuce, maybe maybe you've fallen under the city, you know,
Speaker 1: the same spell that I did, now that you've been
Speaker 1: with Paul for as many years as I was. One
Speaker 1: of the things that just you know, gets drilled into
Speaker 1: you and you absorbed by osmosis is a team's record
Speaker 1: at the end of the year is the best indicator
Speaker 1: really of what they are. You can say theirself and
Speaker 1: Paul taught me this. You can talk to yourself and ah,
Speaker 1: they're really better than their four and thirteen record would
Speaker 1: indicate that. Almost every single time you look at the
Speaker 1: record at the end of the season, it's like that's
Speaker 1: what they were.
Speaker 3: See I could say, like, well, you were you were
Speaker 3: seven and ten or eight and nine, but you know
Speaker 3: we were a little better than that.
Speaker 1: We got you buzzards lucked.
Speaker 3: You know, we missed a couple of field goals that
Speaker 3: would have won games. When you're four and thirteen or
Speaker 3: thirteen and four. It's hard to say you're not that
Speaker 3: good or you weren't that bad. Like that's a really
Speaker 3: dramatic you know, one way or the other. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: I agree with Hardy, like you're four and thirteen, okay,
Speaker 3: so maybe you should have been you should have been.
Speaker 1: Six and eleven. Yeah, yeah, it's it's tough to convince Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to convince me that because of all
Speaker 1: those close games, you're really more like a nine and eighteen. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: A bunch of emails here there which Now.
Speaker 5: I are you gonna read the emails this time?
Speaker 1: The electronic mail? You know what, I'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: say anything. I'm not gonna say anything. I was gonna
Speaker 1: do it. He was gonna do it. No, I was
Speaker 1: gonna do it earlier and disrespect and now this was
Speaker 1: all on me. I wasn't gonna say it. Matt, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Left us and usually forwards hard of the emails I
Speaker 2: forgot to do.
Speaker 1: That is everything, all right? Yeah, he had something to do, okay,
Speaker 1: it was it was a nice event.
Speaker 4: He had to go apple picking.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't apple He had to go do a
Speaker 1: little fo somebody else was that? Somebody else was apple picking?
Speaker 1: I saw on the Instagram during the game. Did you
Speaker 1: see that photo?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, Jim Murray.
Speaker 12: No.
Speaker 1: Who is right now is in the process of courtship,
Speaker 1: and it has to go do things like apple picking.
Speaker 1: Oh god, even though he doesn't even though he doesn't
Speaker 1: have young children, he has to go apple picking?
Speaker 22: Is it?
Speaker 5: Bill b Wow?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: Look it up to be from yesterday.
Speaker 4: There's no way she got him out there on a Sunday.
Speaker 1: Probably not, but oh boy, is it? Is it fun
Speaker 1: to look?
Speaker 4: At least he can afford it, you know, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Pick it ain't cheap.
Speaker 5: Got five hundred apples for seven hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: I can't really think of very many things I would
Speaker 3: rather do less.
Speaker 4: Than my buddy. Kyle Brandt had a good rant on
Speaker 4: it the other day. Abou Kyle brand it's my buddy,
Speaker 4: But it is. It's just like obscenely priced and you
Speaker 4: get way more apples than you're ever gonna need.
Speaker 5: And you know it's silly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're silly.
Speaker 4: But she like pies, making pies for your friends. Maybe
Speaker 4: then that's it ends up being a deal.
Speaker 1: But here's here's ken. When we are dealing with a
Speaker 1: lack of performance on both sides. The ball remind me
Speaker 1: of how much we are under the salary cap? How
Speaker 1: much are how much are we under the salary cap?
Speaker 1: You guys know a lot of you are gonna have.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a good amount of cap space next year.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're under it right now. That's
Speaker 3: probably a Miguel question. But they're gonna have a lot
Speaker 3: of room next year for sure. And I just I'm
Speaker 3: skeptical that they're going to use it on weapons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got to use it on something, and they've
Speaker 4: kind of extended everybody that's going to be extended. I
Speaker 4: feel like at this point, there's not you know, most
Speaker 4: of this offense is going to come back. There's not
Speaker 4: really you know, a lot of pieces. Jonathan Jones, he
Speaker 4: could maybe say, was is somebody that that you would
Speaker 4: look at, But they did the heavy lifting last year.
Speaker 1: That's tough to look at. I'm not gonna lie. Sorry, sorry, Mike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to a corn maze too, because you know
Speaker 1: sometimes they have corn maze. I mean we've all been there,
Speaker 1: but with our kids, right, I can't get out of here
Speaker 1: and there. Steve, he's got the headphones.
Speaker 4: Ernie, Ernie, I need am app of this maze right now.
Speaker 1: Email from Jordan's He says, this team is an embarrassment
Speaker 1: through and through. Worst team in the league by a mile.
Speaker 1: I think we could beat Foxboro all high. The coaches, fully,
Speaker 1: Drake may is out there doing his level best with
Speaker 1: no support. Team isn't playing hard. They're undisciplined. They don't
Speaker 1: play me a little bit. Well, hold on, I'm not
Speaker 1: even done their selfish. They're constantly infighting when they talk
Speaker 1: to the media. All the things are product of a
Speaker 1: head coach and the culture he installs. Wow, now it's
Speaker 1: on the mail at this point. How why I and
Speaker 1: his whole staff the one to be done? Play calling?
Speaker 1: Culture is bad? Scrap it, tear it down. Wow, this
Speaker 1: is so this.
Speaker 3: We've heard a lot of this, you know, Mike and
Speaker 3: I get, you know, some periodic emails about it, and
Speaker 3: people just like out on the new regime, like they
Speaker 3: they just feel like it's not working and they need to,
Speaker 3: you know, they need to make a change. I don't
Speaker 3: think there's much of a chance of that unless there's
Speaker 3: something really significant off field that happens. But that's not
Speaker 3: a completely unique take.
Speaker 1: I've heard.
Speaker 3: I've heard that from time to time, which kind of
Speaker 3: surprises me.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what happens when you lose six in
Speaker 4: a row. It's first time in what thirty years that
Speaker 4: that's happened.
Speaker 3: I think they said on it it was kind of
Speaker 3: half listening to at the end, I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 3: I was sort of in lala land.
Speaker 1: First time since before before Craft's ownership.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jews first, they lost a bunch of games in
Speaker 3: a row that year the bill, and they finished strong
Speaker 3: that year, they won the last four. So maybe if
Speaker 3: they can get something like that, it could be uh,
Speaker 3: you know, at least some some hope moving forward if
Speaker 3: they finish the second half of the season. Like, I
Speaker 3: think part of the problem is this, there remains like
Speaker 3: a level of expectation that I don't think is commensurate
Speaker 3: with what they have. Like I heard people saying, you know,
Speaker 3: they could easily fit, they could easily be six and six,
Speaker 3: Like you're one in five and you think this team
Speaker 3: is capable of rattling off five out of the next six, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't care who they're playing, but you'd think a
Speaker 3: one in five team can reasonably expect to win five
Speaker 3: of the next six. I don't care who are against,
Speaker 3: you know. And I heard that on the on the radio.
Speaker 3: I heard, you know, finding a way to win six, seven,
Speaker 3: eight games for the season. Come on, like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but like the more likely situation is another four and thirteen,
Speaker 3: you know, and the way it's going.
Speaker 5: Where those next three comes, I don't know what you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like this was one that I thought you had
Speaker 3: a reasonable chance to win. This is another part of
Speaker 3: the whole expectation thing. How many gofas.
Speaker 1: Did you hear this week?
Speaker 3: Jacksonvill was favored by five and a half.
Speaker 1: I was one of them.
Speaker 3: I was one of them, and I just looked at him, like,
Speaker 3: if you're matching up, if you know, we're talking about
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk and kJ Osbourne and Kendrick Bourne and Tomrio Douglas,
Speaker 3: and everybody is like, they need a receiver, they need
Speaker 3: a receiver. Which one of those guys is better than
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas, Christian Kirk or Gabe Davis. Which one of
Speaker 3: those four guys that the Patriots had as wide receivers
Speaker 3: today are better than the three guys that Jacksonville had.
Speaker 5: None of them. I would take all three of those guys.
Speaker 3: Over, you know, and I think Drake may can be
Speaker 3: better than Trevor Lawrence, but it's not reasonable to expect
Speaker 3: him to be in his second career start. So I
Speaker 3: don't understand where this sort of righteous indignation came with
Speaker 3: the fact that they were underdogs today. I picked the
Speaker 3: Patriots to cover. I thought that they would put a better,
Speaker 3: better effort forward today than that.
Speaker 1: So I was wrong.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want me to tell you?
Speaker 3: I missed it, just like everybody else. But I didn't
Speaker 3: think they the whole, like the roster on paper for
Speaker 3: Jacksonville is better than that of the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wrong. I thought the Patriots would cover today.
Speaker 1: I missed it.
Speaker 4: Not great stuff coming out of the Patriots locker room either, today.
Speaker 4: Daniel Aqualley, with a quote via Andrew Callahan Jirog just
Speaker 4: said postgame everybody got to check their ego when they
Speaker 4: come in, and I agree with him. I feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of guys think too highly of themselves and
Speaker 4: have to check their ego and come in and just
Speaker 4: play as a team. I feel like if we play
Speaker 4: as a team, nobody can stop us. But if we
Speaker 4: go out there and do our own thing and play
Speaker 4: outside of the scheme. That's when we get beat. A
Speaker 4: similar message kind of from what we heard from Devon
Speaker 4: Godshaw a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: Also Alex Barts just pointing out.
Speaker 4: Thatch and ray Quon mcgillan played just eleven snaps each,
Speaker 4: so there was a little bit of a pullback on
Speaker 4: them from terms of defensive changes.
Speaker 1: Well, you got your hipster tablet pulled up there? Could
Speaker 1: you also go on to the Instagram because uh Sam
Speaker 1: from North Carolina says, uh polk has me wondering his
Speaker 1: Insta post after the game was odd, wondering if he
Speaker 1: dropped his phone while posting.
Speaker 4: Now he just posted a simple peace sign. I don't
Speaker 4: know what that means, peace out piece, I'm okay, but
Speaker 4: just simple.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm okay, just a piece emoji read from that
Speaker 3: one too for two drops.
Speaker 1: And I completely I completely understand.
Speaker 5: Maybe he's getting meat all sandwiches.
Speaker 1: You talk, give me two I completely understand.
Speaker 3: You know that I'm one hundred years old and I
Speaker 3: didn't grow up with all of these apps that you
Speaker 3: incessantly have to post every one of your last every
Speaker 3: last thought on I just don't know what would possess
Speaker 3: a player going through what he's going through right now
Speaker 3: to immediately say.
Speaker 1: You know what I think is a good idea. Let
Speaker 1: me get on Instagram? Right?
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, no again, I understand I'm out of touch.
Speaker 3: It's not you know, I get it. Oh big run
Speaker 3: for your boy, Jamier Gibbs.
Speaker 1: He gone, he walks, right, he gone. There we go, well,
Speaker 1: red zone hardy as the Lions are on the scoreboard
Speaker 1: here at ten seven against Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Okay, I just I don't really know harmless and it's
Speaker 3: probably a nothing thing. It's probably like peace. I'm okay,
Speaker 3: you know, peace London whatever, like. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: like any negative peace posts. Why are you posting anything?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: You already deleted it, No, did he, which tells me
Speaker 3: it wasn't harmless.
Speaker 1: You'll find your soulmate too, Pitho.
Speaker 5: It's just.
Speaker 1: That was just to Kip dynamite.
Speaker 3: That's all it was.
Speaker 1: All right. Let's let's hear from the I love doing.
Speaker 3: The Uncle rito when I'm sitting here like this just
Speaker 3: looking at his arms. Even I have arms I have,
Speaker 3: I would have give yourself biceps.
Speaker 1: Let us hear from the head coach here, Gerrod Mayo,
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Speaker 6: Look a disappointing game. Disappointing game. We came out, we
Speaker 6: started fast y. What I would say is, look, we're
Speaker 6: a soft football team. Across the board. We talk about
Speaker 6: what makes a tough football team. That's being able to
Speaker 6: run the ball, that's being able to stop the run,
Speaker 6: and that's being able to cover kicks. And we did
Speaker 6: none of those today.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 6: They controlled the ball for most of the day. You know,
Speaker 6: their run game average over four and a half yards
Speaker 6: to carry our run game. Not sure what the average was,
Speaker 6: but it wasn't good. Look back to the drawing board.
Speaker 6: I mean, we can't sit here and pout. We just
Speaker 6: we just gotta put a game together. Do you explain
Speaker 6: the talent to run meet I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: That's something that you have to watch on you know,
Speaker 6: watch on film. What I will say is it's a mentality.
Speaker 6: It's an attitude. And here as of late, our run
Speaker 6: game just hasn't been able to do anything offensively and
Speaker 6: then defensively. I mean, the players like, we just gotta
Speaker 6: play better, we gotta play better technique, gotta lock our
Speaker 6: guy out in front of us, and really just I mean,
Speaker 6: that's what it comes down to, locking the guy out
Speaker 6: in front of you, dominating, dominating him and making a tackle.
Speaker 1: What do you do with balls? Just to be.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I mean, that's something that you know,
Speaker 6: I have to I have to think about. You know,
Speaker 6: we have a long flight back, and I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: It's not like all of a sudden, you know, we
Speaker 6: did something different and now we're a soft football team.
Speaker 6: It's just the mentality that we got to get back in.
Speaker 6: The guys, do you think.
Speaker 18: You need to consider a change the.
Speaker 5: Look?
Speaker 6: Once again? Well, I'll go back over I'll go back
Speaker 6: over the film and yeah, from where I was standing, like,
Speaker 6: even when you're in a right call, in the right call,
Speaker 6: they're still not doing their job. So that's on me.
Speaker 1: The decision to go for the two point conversion after the.
Speaker 6: Touchdown, yup, yup, So that that decision at some point
Speaker 6: in time, you have to go for two, and I
Speaker 6: just wanted to at least know what situation we were
Speaker 6: gonna be and with more time on the clock, so
Speaker 6: we went for two on the first one. You know,
Speaker 6: s I'm sure other people see the different ways, just
Speaker 6: the philosophical thing.
Speaker 1: What uh what'd you see on the punk of your touch?
Speaker 6: I saw guys getting out leveraged. I saw a punt
Speaker 6: down the middle of the field, which is always difficult
Speaker 6: to cover. And look, he has a strong leg and
Speaker 6: he out kicked his coverage and we weren't disciplined in
Speaker 6: our lanes.
Speaker 1: Is at the.
Speaker 6: Start, I thought, Drag you know, did a good job,
Speaker 6: especially starting the game off fast. He made some good throws,
Speaker 6: he made some plays with his legs. Uh. But again
Speaker 6: I have to go back to the film and really
Speaker 6: just study that draw with the.
Speaker 9: Straight loss or worried that the players at all?
Speaker 6: No, I'm not worried about that. Look, the guys, they
Speaker 6: understand every week is its own weekend. You know, it's
Speaker 6: my job, you know, we'll get there on Wednesdays, is
Speaker 6: to change the page.
Speaker 10: So you.
Speaker 1: Feel farther away than maybe even you.
Speaker 16: Wow took his job?
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
Speaker 6: You know, look, I don't wanna go back and say
Speaker 6: we should have won this or should cause we should
Speaker 6: have lo I mean we could have lost all of
Speaker 6: the games. And saying that we just gotta keep working,
Speaker 6: going out there with the players that we have and
Speaker 6: and get better.
Speaker 1: Offensively.
Speaker 8: What do you think that having success?
Speaker 6: I mean that kind of goes back to what I
Speaker 6: said earlier. It's a mentality. It's a mentality and it's
Speaker 6: about re establishing the line of scrimmage. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: we need more from Polk, We need more concentration. Uh,
Speaker 6: he'll be a a good player in this league. Just
Speaker 6: gotta continue to work at it.
Speaker 1: Offensively.
Speaker 4: You had ten points on the first two drives, But
Speaker 4: what did you see change after that?
Speaker 6: Again, I'll go back and look at the film. Uh
Speaker 6: it it would be easy to say, you know, the
Speaker 6: you know, the vibe on the sideline was down. It
Speaker 6: wasn't down. It was still Ugh it wasj I. It
Speaker 6: always comes back to execution in my eyes, and just
Speaker 6: didn't do it. It wasn't like a big adjustment that
Speaker 6: was made or anything. Like that. We just wanna make
Speaker 6: in the place.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you wish you had brought the team
Speaker 1: are earlier.
Speaker 6: To get like that? Nah? H. Look, once again, we
Speaker 6: started the game off fast and they felt you know,
Speaker 6: they felt good. I asked multiple players and we just
Speaker 6: didn't finish. But usually word.
Speaker 1: Concentration when you were talking.
Speaker 6: Is a almost growing toward the Oh. I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I think every single week is its own weekend.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: You gotta hit the reset button.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: And that includes concentration, attention to the details, all of
Speaker 6: those things.
Speaker 1: How that concern?
Speaker 11: How do you use how do you motivation?
Speaker 6: What do you struggle like to Well, first, I have
Speaker 6: to remind him he's a young football player, and I'm
Speaker 6: not using that as an excuse, but I mean, this
Speaker 6: isn't the last iteration or evolution of Jalen polp. He
Speaker 6: She says, to get back in the in the in
Speaker 6: the uh the meeting rooms, and then go back out
Speaker 6: there on the field and get better.
Speaker 1: A message to them.
Speaker 6: Every time I talk to you guys, I I n
Speaker 6: understand that the players read all of that stuff. So
Speaker 6: I always use this vehicle as a way to reinforce
Speaker 6: a message or get a message out to those guys.
Speaker 6: Do you think there's always a way to be harder.
Speaker 6: I think there's there's always a balance in doing that. Again,
Speaker 6: like we you know, six straight losses. I mean they
Speaker 6: they feel bad about it as well as a professional player,
Speaker 6: like you feel bad about losses just like everyone else.
Speaker 6: And it's about just going back to the drawing board
Speaker 6: and trying to put some stuff together.
Speaker 3: They describe a team as a soft and me, how
Speaker 3: would you.
Speaker 6: Describe the coaching staff?
Speaker 16: Uh?
Speaker 6: Look, the coaches it well, first it starts with me,
Speaker 6: and you know, it's about just the mentality of going
Speaker 6: back to having a tough football team and I just
Speaker 6: have to do a better job. And like I said,
Speaker 6: I'll you know, I'll uh think it through on the
Speaker 6: playing right home, the fun where you just feel close challenging.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: Look, it's hard to win football games in the NFL,
Speaker 6: and I I totally understand that. I've talked to season coaches,
Speaker 6: head coaches around the league and they say the same thing.
Speaker 6: It's tough. It's tough. And then once again, uh, every
Speaker 6: week is its own week. Coach what last process school?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 18: So of the most successful begin up one six second
Speaker 18: off the season. What's what goes to people in the
Speaker 18: place to the least can shoot.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be something this team.
Speaker 10: Yup.
Speaker 6: I think the main goal is the next week, thank you,
Speaker 6: and there you go.
Speaker 1: There's your head. Coach. Drob Mayo asked about Jalen polk
Speaker 1: Uh softening a little bit, saying that he will be
Speaker 1: a good player in this league. He just needs to
Speaker 1: continue to work at it. Didn't say anything about his
Speaker 1: mental issues. Also asked about the decision to go for it,
Speaker 1: go for two after scoring the touchdown, and uh, you
Speaker 1: know what, he brought up something that we hadn't mentioned before.
Speaker 1: If that way they know what they need. So I
Speaker 1: think I think he's I think he's brought me around
Speaker 1: on this. He he did say it's a philosophical decision.
Speaker 1: Other people disagree.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't like if it was just about knowing what
Speaker 3: you need, right, Why wouldn't you just kick a field
Speaker 3: goal on third down?
Speaker 1: Save some time? Well, now you know what you need,
Speaker 1: right right?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 3: He set it down nine with down twelve.
Speaker 1: Knowing what you need, knowing what you have, knowing what
Speaker 1: you can do without. That's inventory. I don't I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I just don't get it either.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of analytics stuff that is sort of
Speaker 3: taking the league over that I think has been for
Speaker 3: the better. I think more teams are willing to go
Speaker 3: forward on fourth down, even in uncon unconventional spots on
Speaker 3: the field, which I think is smart. I think it's
Speaker 3: good football. I just can't understand why you would rather
Speaker 3: be down nine so you know you need two scores
Speaker 3: with eight minutes left from the game, rather than be
Speaker 3: down eight no one, you only need one score.
Speaker 1: I know it's a philosophy. I don't know why I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why it's better because you know what
Speaker 3: you need. I don't understand that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd say too on Polk, Like, I don't think
Speaker 4: I've ever seen anything like this. I mean it's not
Speaker 4: that extreme, but like I've never in my time here
Speaker 4: watching all the training camp and seeing a player and
Speaker 4: thinking like, all right, this guy's going to be pretty
Speaker 4: good to just see kind of a mental block. I
Speaker 4: don't know that's the tweet or I guess the ig
Speaker 4: story that he put up with just the peace sign,
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I just I've never usually can
Speaker 4: get a good sense of how player is. And you know,
Speaker 4: we've seen plenty of receivers over my time. Year man,
Speaker 4: that guy just can't get open. He's inconsistent, he has
Speaker 4: drops or he gets hurt. And with Polke it he felt. Man,
Speaker 4: he looks pretty solid and somehow he is. Uh, he's
Speaker 4: just I've never seen a player kind of fighting it
Speaker 4: like this before.
Speaker 1: All right, what did Drake May have to say after
Speaker 1: his performance today in the thirty two to sixteen loss
Speaker 1: to the Jaguars in London. Let's hear from the quarterback
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 8: Character.
Speaker 22: Yeah, No, We've been preaching fast start, you know, VP
Speaker 22: he want us to start fast.
Speaker 1: He said it last week. We didn't do it.
Speaker 22: But I feel like, you know, we did that today
Speaker 22: and just didn't sustain it long enough. You know, had
Speaker 22: some chances down in the red zone that second drive
Speaker 22: that wish I have back. No other than that, I
Speaker 22: think what coach Mayo's preaching me have to run the football,
Speaker 22: and when we do throw it on first and second down,
Speaker 22: then we gotta I gotta find some completions to get
Speaker 22: us in you know, third manageable. You know, third and
Speaker 22: longs hard in this league.
Speaker 5: And I thought.
Speaker 22: The guy's battle, you know, especially up front. This guy's
Speaker 22: playing their butts off those guys a lot up front,
Speaker 22: and I feel like we made some plays just not
Speaker 22: good enough.
Speaker 16: What do you think.
Speaker 1: Fast start?
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think yeah, But I think other than maybe
Speaker 22: one or two other games this season, we just you know,
Speaker 22: we hadn't fast started fast in a while. It was
Speaker 22: kind of it was something new for us. So you know,
Speaker 22: probably the guys were starting fast. I think I had,
Speaker 22: you know, KB open and you know the third down
Speaker 22: down there, you know, in the second drive, maybe punch
Speaker 22: one in, you'll punch another one in, and you know,
Speaker 22: maybe a different ball game, so maybe you know, a
Speaker 22: couple of throws here and there, you know for me
Speaker 22: as well. And then other than that, we just gotta,
Speaker 22: I guess, just find out your ways to you know,
Speaker 22: get first downs. And I feel like the Jackson nice
Speaker 22: job of you know, time possession shoot we had for
Speaker 22: a while there in the second half, one drive the
Speaker 22: whole half until the end, so.
Speaker 1: Uh, no credit him.
Speaker 22: And then just gotta, I don't know, work harder, Uh
Speaker 22: find something different, you know, find something different.
Speaker 21: Here.
Speaker 1: And several times and you say that.
Speaker 22: To yeah, I mean, coach Mayo's not gonna come in
Speaker 22: here and say something he hasn't said us in the
Speaker 22: locker room. You know, I think you're not tough. You
Speaker 22: always preach being tough. He appreachies today. You know, being
Speaker 22: tough is you know, running the football, stop in the
Speaker 22: run and covering kicks is what he said. So I
Speaker 22: think he does a great job of leading the leela
Speaker 22: and the messages and then the guys know, you know,
Speaker 22: John Jones gave speech after the game saying, you know
Speaker 22: you gotta find it. You know, you gotta find something
Speaker 22: and uh, you know what we're doing is not good enough,
Speaker 22: and you've got a man up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 22: I think the little things. I think little things like
Speaker 22: you know, the false stars that falls off on me.
Speaker 22: We gotta be more, you know, clearing up front with
Speaker 22: the cadence, with the line and and those guys. But
Speaker 22: other than that, I took care of the football maybe
Speaker 22: one time, uh one, two times endangered it and then
Speaker 22: on that last one the fourth down just it's just
Speaker 22: football there. But uh than that, I feel like I'm
Speaker 22: seeing it well, make a few different throws. But other
Speaker 22: than that, I think you do a better job on
Speaker 22: the sideline sometimes pumping the guys up or you know,
Speaker 22: really in some messages to different guys that may you
Speaker 22: may see this, Hey what are you thinking, and and
Speaker 22: little things like that. But you know, I thought we
Speaker 22: you know, had some some bright spots again today, but
Speaker 22: like I said, not good enough. Yeah, they uh guys,
Speaker 22: it's the hot you know, we're hot to the back
Speaker 22: and they ended up bringing I think back are in
Speaker 22: safety and you know, they dropped out the guy the
Speaker 22: defense vent on the opposite side. So just find a completion,
Speaker 22: you know it third and Timber already field goal range
Speaker 22: and then Hasey made play. I think they'll do more
Speaker 22: of that of getting her guys the ball and let
Speaker 22: him make plays. And I thought I tried to do
Speaker 22: that today. I found the checkdowns you know, uh uh,
Speaker 22: you know, besides that last drive just when they're playing deep.
Speaker 22: You know, I found some checkdowns earlier on in the
Speaker 22: game that helped us. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 22: a little plays like that in the first second down.
Speaker 22: Can you'll go a long way for us.
Speaker 1: This week?
Speaker 5: As do these feel.
Speaker 22: Weel, yeah, I think more and more, you know, more
Speaker 22: and more you're out there and you've seeing different things,
Speaker 22: seeing different fronts, seeing different cover coverages and uh getting
Speaker 22: a better feel. You know, I think the Jags, you know,
Speaker 22: did some different stuff of playing guys a different spot
Speaker 22: in the same coverage and then other than that, you know,
Speaker 22: I'm here to help the football team win and we're
Speaker 22: not getting that done, so you gotta do something different. Yeah, No,
Speaker 22: I think you know, JP's a great player. You know
Speaker 22: he's making plays. You know that it's a little slick
Speaker 22: out there. Sometimes the ball's on the paint and you know,
Speaker 22: the paint all over the ball, so it's I think,
Speaker 22: you know, it's just the field a little bit better
Speaker 22: than that. I gotta find ways to get the football early.
Speaker 22: You know, I can get him in the game early.
Speaker 22: I think that will help help him. You'll feel involved.
Speaker 22: Gotta make a better throw to him on the corner
Speaker 22: out on the first drives, you know, little things like
Speaker 22: that to get him involved. Cause you know, he's a
Speaker 22: good player for us and you know we need him
Speaker 22: out there. So it's on me to you know, kind
Speaker 22: of get him going. And throughout the week he's always
Speaker 22: asked me to watch film and and little things like that,
Speaker 22: and I guess so after practice he's always there, so
Speaker 22: you know, maybe You've got to do more. You know
Speaker 22: what we're doing is that, you know, do more.
Speaker 1: Guys starting to how.
Speaker 22: Game the last Yeah, you know, Pop's a great player
Speaker 22: for us, and you made a great you'll play on.
Speaker 22: You know, a couple of good players in the first drive.
Speaker 22: But you know it's next man up. You know this
Speaker 22: is the NFL. You know, some big dudes clodding into
Speaker 22: each other out there on the field. So you got
Speaker 22: the next man up. And you'll credit to Pop for
Speaker 22: battling through and being out there as much as he can.
Speaker 22: He's a great player for us and hopefully have him back.
Speaker 1: Thank You'll all right, there goes Drake May after his
Speaker 1: performance today thirty two to sixteen the final from London,
Speaker 1: where uh he himself played well early on, certainly during
Speaker 1: the uh the opening driver to ended up twenty six
Speaker 1: at thirty seven on the day for two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy six yards, two touchdowns, no picks, but certainly not
Speaker 1: enough after things just kind of stalled and the defense
Speaker 1: couldn't get a stop. I didn't even know it, I
Speaker 1: didn't even plan on doing it, but I think I've
Speaker 1: just kind of encapsulated my thoughts on.
Speaker 4: Today's game that's pretty much it, right, I mean, you
Speaker 4: just you'd love to see what would happen if they
Speaker 4: had a little bit more of a running game, if
Speaker 4: they got some stops on defense, if they got forbid,
Speaker 4: got some takeaways on defense, things like that that can
Speaker 4: affect the game positively for the Patriots offense and put
Speaker 4: them in a better position.
Speaker 5: So, you know, they did a little bit, but not.
Speaker 4: Enough, and they certainly didn't get much help from them
Speaker 4: more to special teams.
Speaker 1: There's been another explanation of the decision to go for
Speaker 1: too early from Ben Volin. He says it's probably the
Speaker 1: right decision. There's still down nine, but now they know
Speaker 1: they need two scores and have a twenty two left.
Speaker 1: Had they waited until the end of the game to
Speaker 1: go for two and failed, they wouldn't have had enough
Speaker 1: time to make it up. One of the first comments
Speaker 1: after that post was the quote, it's better to be
Speaker 1: down two scores than one score in a game you've
Speaker 1: struggled to score points in with with the guy with
Speaker 1: the guy with uh what's his name from the hangover? Yeah, yeah, doing.
Speaker 4: The the ra beautiful mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's like no, no, you're you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get I need something in all seriousness, so we've had
Speaker 1: some fun with the whole nine thing, right, I need
Speaker 1: somebody to give me something.
Speaker 3: Other than you know what you need. I need another reason,
Speaker 3: another factor.
Speaker 1: Give me some give me. Give me a stance as
Speaker 1: a percentage of success for teams that have done it
Speaker 1: both ways, where are you more likely to succeed but
Speaker 1: to situations? How about that to me? Like that's see.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of the problem is too much
Speaker 3: of the analytics is completely results oriented. It's not you know,
Speaker 3: I've seen a million bad decisions that worked. It doesn't
Speaker 3: make it right just because it worked. So I would
Speaker 3: like I just scoreboard. I get yeah, thank you Felger,
Speaker 3: perfect scoreboard perfect because I don't know if you know,
Speaker 3: but Patrick Mahomes didn't play as a rookie and he
Speaker 3: turned out to be a great quarterback. So that means
Speaker 3: if he had played is a rookie, he would stink
Speaker 3: right scoreboard, scoreboard. So I can't point you're trying to
Speaker 3: make it. My point is maybe if he played as
Speaker 3: a rookie he'd be even better.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He never played as a rookie, so
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: Really prove that, but scoreboard tells me that he's a
Speaker 3: really good player and absence of scoreboard, Right, that's what
Speaker 3: you said, So I need something other than.
Speaker 1: That way you know what you need?
Speaker 3: Because I like, why is it better? Like so there's
Speaker 3: eight minutes left and I know I need one score? Like,
Speaker 3: what's wrong with that?
Speaker 4: Because all I hear is I'd rather know I'm down
Speaker 4: by two scores than be down by one score.
Speaker 1: No, but like that way, you know what you need.
Speaker 3: If you kick it and you're down eight, you don't
Speaker 3: know what you need, Like I need something other than
Speaker 3: you know what you need?
Speaker 1: That is all that's the you know what you just
Speaker 1: you saved it for the end, but that's the best point.
Speaker 1: If you kicked the extra point, you know what you need.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm That's why I'm harping on that phrase
Speaker 3: so much, like why is it better to know you
Speaker 3: need two scores than one?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Either way, you know what you need? Do see need
Speaker 1: anything else? Do you have any other final thoughts?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 5: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: It was a tough loss and I'm not really Yeah,
Speaker 4: the Jets coming in with Devanta Adams will see how
Speaker 4: that looks with them and you know, it's a rejuvenated offense.
Speaker 4: The defense they just got to find something. They gotta
Speaker 4: find ways to get stops, makefield. They don't know the
Speaker 4: players really to go to. I'm not sure how they're
Speaker 4: gonna pull it out of a hat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this I totally agree with Mike. If you cannot
Speaker 3: find a way to play better defense, it's not really
Speaker 3: gonna matter.
Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, it's been an absolute uh giggle fest being
Speaker 1: back with you. Thank you so much for having our
Speaker 1: three coming out. It's been a gas. It's been a gas.
Speaker 21: No.
Speaker 1: No, as a matter of fact, there is no hour three.
Speaker 3: I really do appreciate you coming. Yeah, I would it
Speaker 3: would have taken away our fun if Mike, if you know,
Speaker 3: I would have made my coast. So it would have
Speaker 3: taken some.
Speaker 4: Time when you have like a brief fling with your
Speaker 4: ex and they get, God, what do we have?
Speaker 5: Work?
Speaker 1: Work?
Speaker 5: Why couldn't we make this? Well, we're in love with
Speaker 5: different people now, so what.
Speaker 10: Do you want?
Speaker 1: If I stuck around for a third hour, it'd be
Speaker 1: painfully obvious why it didn't work. But no, I I've
Speaker 1: watched the show every week with you and Matt, and
Speaker 1: it's been great, so thank you for having me back
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Speaker 1: Patriots Postgame Show, the final score for the final time
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