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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and it's just us today. And that's okay because

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Speaker 2: we're just gonna be sitting around rapping about one of

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Speaker 2: our favorite things to talk about.

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Speaker 1: That is movies. Let's go to the movies.

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Speaker 2: You had a little Katherine Hepburn thing going on there,

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Speaker 2: ethel Merman, it was Katherine Hepburn singing ethel Murmy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's how I think that. Yeah, we are going to

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Speaker 2: go to the movies, Chuck, and in particular specific kind

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Speaker 2: of movie that the more I dug into, the more

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Speaker 2: I realize is one of my favorite types of movies.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, disaster movies. I had no idea, but

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Speaker 2: remember we were talking. This whole thing was kicked off

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Speaker 2: by me watching The Day After Tomorrow a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, And I was like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite movies. And the reason why is

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Speaker 2: because I love disaster movies. Love them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a lot of these. It's not my

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Speaker 1: favorite gen overall, but like I found myself saying like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, that was pretty good. I like that all right,

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Speaker 1: But generally, if we're in this, this is a subgenre

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Speaker 1: of action movies, and I think I prefer action movies

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Speaker 1: overall more than disaster movies.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well, yeah, we'll get into that because

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Speaker 2: it is a subgenre of action, and that makes a

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Speaker 2: lot of sense. Disaster movies are packed with action, and

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Speaker 2: there are some that are like, Okay, this is definitely

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Speaker 2: a disaster film, like The Towering Inferno.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'd be okay, But then.

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Speaker 2: There's also movies like Speed, and Speed checks off a

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Speaker 2: lot of the boxes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a disaster movie.

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Speaker 2: You would not call it a disaster movie, even though

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Speaker 2: it really could. If you really wedged it in there,

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Speaker 2: it will qualify. But there's just a couple of little

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Speaker 2: things that are different that make it definitely an action movie.

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Speaker 2: And then you have other ones like The Birds. Alfred

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Speaker 1: Birds not a disaster movie to me.

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Speaker 2: It ends up on lists. It's part of the animal

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Speaker 2: attack subgenre of disaster films, which is a subgenre of action. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I'm sure you did the same thing

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Speaker 1: when reading off some of these. It's sort of like

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Speaker 1: it just a gut feeling sometimes and you can't say

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Speaker 1: exactly what it is that you feel personally like doesn't count,

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Speaker 1: but someone you know, someone else might think it counts.

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Speaker 1: It's not like this is something you can say is

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Speaker 2: And because of that, I looked everywhere on the internet

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Speaker 2: to try to cobble together this list of like basically

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Speaker 2: the basic defining characteristics of disaster films. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 2: was hard. Nobody's ever seen sat down and said here

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Speaker 2: they are right. People have kind of piecemeal but people

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Speaker 2: don't talk that much about disaster films, which I find sad.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe this can be that, and maybe you can,

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Speaker 1: like I don't know, start a website. Josh defines disaster

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Speaker 2: I'll just put this article on there and that'll do that,

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Speaker 2: all right?

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Speaker 1: Should we go through some of these? Because you did

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Speaker 1: a bang up job, thank you. The first thing you

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Speaker 1: needed in a disaster movie is a disaster. Sure, but

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Speaker 1: this can be a lot of different things. A lot

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Speaker 1: of time it's a human made thing. Then that varies

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Speaker 1: from climate change movies, which we've seen a lot more

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Speaker 1: I guess some things like Towering Inferno or a bit

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Speaker 1: but it might be brought upon by like a fire

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Speaker 2: Nobody said you can pin down disaster movies pretty easily.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: What else there's like, extraterrestrial is a big one. It

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Speaker 2: can be an alien attack, it can be a comet

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Speaker 2: people love screwing up like cruise ships and trains and

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Speaker 2: other things about it too, The disaster is ongoing, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, impending or in in what.

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Speaker 1: It, Yeah exactly. But what am I looking for in process?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one end of the spectrum, the world can actually

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Speaker 2: a little tunnel collapse, the rest of the world just

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Speaker 2: going on business as you care. Exactly let them die,

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Speaker 2: There was like a debate TV show, like on the

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Speaker 2: It's way funnier in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, surviving the disaster is a big part of

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you tease something just now. Some people will

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Speaker 2: definitely not survive. And one of the things about disaster

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Speaker 2: And the reason why is because the stereotypes are pervasive

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Speaker 2: Like to this day, disaster movies are sexist. I could

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess more recently they may throw your

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Speaker 1: like commissioning the team of men to usually solve the problem.

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Speaker 2: Good point, right, So you know very quickly who the

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Speaker 2: You know they're going to die a very bad death.

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Speaker 2: And the point is like it's a really simplistic way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I think we would be remiss

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Speaker 1: prickly topic for our African American listeners. It has long

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Speaker 1: been a movie trope in horror movies, disaster movies or whatever,

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Speaker 2: are women characters in disaster movies. Yeah, but like you said, similarly,

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Speaker 2: For sure. But I heard the reason. You know he

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Speaker 1: That's why he does that.

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Speaker 2: That's what I heard.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you want to vote for him even more. Huh.

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Speaker 1: I just want to hear that State of the Union.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever speech he's delivering, it would be really smooth.

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Speaker 1: I was going to try and bust out of Morgan Freeman,

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe we'll workshop it off air.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have to talk about the hero. The hero

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Speaker 1: in every man kind of character who just like Armageddon

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't even astronauts for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to train them. I only saw armagedon once,

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Speaker 1: so I'm pulling a lot of this from distant memory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more a deep impact dude.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I heard.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I'm not entirely certain I've

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Speaker 2: You just described almost every single disaster movie you ever made,

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Speaker 2: So that's disaster films in a nutshell. And I feel

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Speaker 2: So Unlike some other things, disaster films are one of

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Speaker 2: There were disaster films because there's these definitions, these characteristics

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Speaker 1: Three, Yeah, for sure. And it also sort of as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you put an exclamation point at the ada of

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Speaker 1: So I didn't know, I didn't know any of these

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it's also apparently people break into song in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like the ones as we know it

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Speaker 2: Least, sure for sure. What else? There's the day the

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Speaker 2: No, that kind of wondered what would happen if a

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Speaker 2: That is cut and dry disaster plot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I take issue with that. The Knight of Living

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question, because is a zombie apocalypse

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Speaker 2: That's an ongoing disaster. You have a group of people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I consider those sub gens. I think as soon

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Speaker 1: No, but I've heard a lot about it. Is it

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Speaker 2: No, it's great. Oh it has a great plot, great acting,

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Speaker 2: Then it's a really good movie. Again, is it a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see what Chuck says, Chuck, monster movie.

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Speaker 1: Then. Well, you know I did host a movie show

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Speaker 2: I know you did. That's why I deferred to you.

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Speaker 1: That makes me an expert. The seventies is when really

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Speaker 1: That's when they just didn't care about depicting that stuff

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Speaker 2: And no, luckily they did not and the ASPCA was

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Speaker 2: Well, there's this, there's this when the monkey dies. If

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Speaker 2: I think they used a little tiny oxygen mask to revive.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, but it's yeah, I mean that makes it

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean Airport was in nineteen seventy and

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Speaker 1: I think it was before. But Airport was a very

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Speaker 2: I love them so much. And Airport seventy five is

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll check that out. And Airport seventy seven,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And then that concord, the Airport seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: The concord, it's people keep shooting missiles at it. They

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Speaker 2: One of his things was a ton of different characters

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Speaker 2: in invertently it invented the disaster film through like his format.

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Speaker 1: like look at all these all the star power.

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00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: Right, and as time went on, the stars got a

439
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: little schlockier. In Concord, Charro makes a hilarious one minute

440
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: cameo Oka JJ Walker is one of the major minor

441
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: characters that smokes grass the whole time. Okay, I think

442
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: in Earthquake, which we'll talk about in a second, Walter

443
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: Mathow makes this inexplicable cameo a few times where he's

444
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: dressed like a seventies pimp with a curly wig and everything,

445
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: and he's drunk out of his mind.

446
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: Wow, that's his character.

447
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 2: Like, they were definitely known for cameos, but yeah, those sweeping,

448
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: huge casts of generally A List and then former A

449
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: List stars. That was a big hallmark of disaster films

450
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: that came around in the seventies.

451
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they're trying to appeal to a broad demographic,

452
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: so they would definitely bring back, like some of the

453
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: stars from like the Golden Age of Hollywood when they

454
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: were in their later years would be in these, Like

455
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: Fred Astaire was in one of them, right, Yes, I

456
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: can't remember.

457
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: I think he might have been in the Towering Inferno.

458
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, they're clearly trying to appeal to

459
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: all age groups. Another thing a lot of these had

460
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: in common, at least in the nineteen seventies was a

461
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: man named Erwin Allen, the Master of Disaster. He came

462
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: up in the nineteen fifties, but he really hit his

463
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: stride in the seventies with things like The Poseidon Adventure

464
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: aforementioned Towering Inferno. Each of those was the top box

465
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: office hit of their respective years. Poseidon Adventure very famously

466
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: was about an ocean liner that flips upside down and

467
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: sinks basically, so everybody is upside down on this boat,

468
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: on the ship trying to trying to get out while

469
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: they're underwater. Pretty great, yep.

470
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: And it's a bunch of different people who are stereotypes

471
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: from different walks of life who are laid out to

472
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: safety by in every man in this case of priest

473
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: named Gene Hackman, hal the character's name, that's actor's name.

474
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: That'd be pretty coincidental that you had played a character

475
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: by named Gene Hackman.

476
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: Such a brutal tragic very upsetting and for such a

477
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: wonderful person.

478
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, upsetting is definitely a good word for it.

479
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't stop thinking about it.

480
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes you should probably try to. I think that would

481
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: be for the.

482
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Best I know, towering it for and O of course,

483
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: you know we mentioned there was a fire. If you

484
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: don't know this movie, you should check it out for sure.

485
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: It's one of the good ones. But faulty wiring of

486
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: course makes it catch fire. People are trapped at the top.

487
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: But you've also got you know, sometimes they can work

488
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: in other mini disasters within it, and that's the case

489
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: here where there's a flood scene because they're trying to

490
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: douse the fire and then all of a sudden, you've

491
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: got a flood to reckon with.

492
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: That's like a prestige disaster film. They played it straight ahead,

493
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: there's no shlock to it. The cast was just amazing,

494
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: and they did something that would be picked up again

495
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: in like the nineties and then today's disaster films, where

496
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: they had two heroes you kind of have to work together.

497
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: One was Paul Newman, who played the architect of this

498
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five floor skyscraper. Yeah, just totally

499
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: fictional at the time, especially, Yeah, and then Steve McQueen

500
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: was this fire chief and they had to work together

501
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: to figure out how to get the people out of

502
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: this building and keep the quench the fire.

503
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: Man McQueen and Paul Newman. Does it get any better

504
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: than that?

505
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Not really? Maybe Paul Newman and Robert Redford. Yeah, that's

506
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: whance kid.

507
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, that was great.

508
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: Okay. So yes, if you see one disaster movie, see

509
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: The Towering Inferno.

510
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. If you want to see one that's kind

511
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: of super slocky. If you want to go down that avenue,

512
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: you could start with Earthquake from nineteen seventy four. Yeah,

513
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: Old Charlton Heston was in that one. People are in

514
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: this case again trapped in a skyscraper once again, but

515
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: this time it's an earthquake. A lot of you know,

516
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: when you see these earthquake moves, they're always shaking the camera.

517
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: But what's funny is if you ever see them being shot,

518
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: obviously nothing is moving except the camera, so the people

519
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: are all just going whoa on just you know, solid grounds.

520
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: It's always fun So Earthquake did not really mean to

521
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: be schlocky. It just kind of ended up being schlocky.

522
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: They did a great job of doing it unintentionally.

523
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 2: And it wasn't the film that like led to the

524
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: end of the seventies boom, but it was definitely one

525
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: of the early signals that this is not this party's

526
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: not gonna last forever. And it's a good movie. I

527
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: watched it last night, No, I watched it early this morning,

528
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: and Charlton Heston, who's a regular in these disaster movies,

529
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 2: he did great. Everyone did really good in it. It

530
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: was just some of the premises and then also some

531
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: of the special effects. Like there's a scene where the

532
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: earthquake tremors are rocking the street in La Yeah, and

533
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: they're just pushing over the facades so you can see

534
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: that it's just this cardboard facade coming down. Stuff like that.

535
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: And then there's a very famous elevator scene.

536
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a weirdtube.

537
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: It drops like all the way down, killing everyone inside.

538
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: But the way they show the impact is they just

539
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: freeze the frame and then some animated blood splatters across

540
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: the screen for some reason.

541
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks it looks really really bad and is

542
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: so abrupting, jarring and weird. But it's, like I said,

543
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: that part is on YouTube if you just you know,

544
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: type in Earthquake movie elevator scene.

545
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: Thank you.

546
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: It's so good. You know, it's a good scene if

547
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: someone is taking the time to clip it out and

548
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: put it on YouTube.

549
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it is definitely worth But Okay, you want

550
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: to take a break now and come back and talk

551
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: about the end of the seventies or push on through

552
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: until the nineties.

553
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's maybe push on and then we'll stop at

554
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: the nineties.

555
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. So, like I said, it was kind

556
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: of clear fairly early on that this wasn't gonna last forever,

557
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: and I definitely did not make it out of the decade.

558
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: It really kind of came to it ugly and starting

559
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: around nineteen seventy eight.

560
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, one person's great disaster movie is

561
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: another person's shlock. It all kind of depends because some

562
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: of the ones listed here is sort of being the

563
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: lazier versions. Avalanche and Meteor are that's not one movie

564
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: that would be pretty great though. Actually sure it'd be

565
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: Media or then Avalanche probably, but those are two different movies.

566
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: The Hindenburg I thought that was okay from being a

567
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: kid and watching it. I haven't revisited. But then Roller Coaster,

568
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: I as a child loved, loved that movie about a terrorist.

569
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: It's you know, again, I don't know if it holds up,

570
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: but it's about a terrorist that's going to blow up

571
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: a roller coaster. You know, he's targeting amusement park.

572
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: So are the people on the roller coaster like having

573
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: to go on it or stay on it over and

574
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: over again, like it can't stop or something like that.

575
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Oh, but like there's the bombers

576
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: in the park and I just you know, I'm having

577
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: these fleeting memories. It's probably terrible, but you know, as

578
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: a you know, ten or eleven year old, it was great.

579
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. And then there's Flood with an

580
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: exclamation point.

581
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: Shout out to Laura who helped us with this, who

583
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: came up with this list of lazily named disaster movies,

584
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: kind of like they were phoning it in.

585
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, roller Coaster isn't the best name.

586
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna watch that one though. All right,

587
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: But a lot of people who think about this kind

588
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: of stuff point to The Swarm from nineteen seventy eight

589
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: as the one that was like, yeah, this is over.

590
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: Not only was this over, but Irwin Allen's career was

591
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: over because he had not one, not two, but three

592
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: disaster film flops from nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty

593
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: and that really ended the boom.

594
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pretty much the Swarm kind of. I

595
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: don't know if Nicholas Cage if they were referencing or

596
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: paying homage to that with the bees thing later in

597
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: The Wicker Man. It became a very popular meme the bees.

598
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know.

599
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, from Nicholas Cage. But in this movie, in

600
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: The Swarm, there's a pilot that yells bees, bees, millions.

601
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: Of bees, right, and the bees take down an air

602
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: force helicopter.

603
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: Of course they do.

604
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: And the way that they're overcome is somebody figures out how.

605
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: I think it's Michael Caine leading the cast. He's the hero.

606
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: He figures out that they can lead these bees out

607
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: to an oil slick in the ocean and then set

608
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: the oil slick on fire and no more bees.

609
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: That's hey, I think that's a pretty decent, you know,

610
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: disaster movie solution.

611
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. But I was reading a criticism of

612
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: that movie by Tyler Sage, I think, on a site

613
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: called Ultimate Classic Rock of All Things, and Tyler Sage

614
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: says that the cast seems either faintly embarrassed by the

615
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: proceedings or confused about what's supposed to be actually happening. Yeah,

616
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's all you need to know. Like, that's

617
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: not supposed to happen in a movie, you.

618
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: Know, No, it's not. So Alan had a black mark

619
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: on his record with that With a Swarm and then

620
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: Beyond the Poseidon Adventure, they tried to recapture that magic

621
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine movie released seven years later, even

622
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: though it took place the very next day of the

623
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: original movie.

624
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was Michael Kane too, but also Sally Field,

625
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: Telly Savalis, Peter Boyle, and like, if you're cast like that,

626
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: can't keep a movie, Yeah, like make it good, then

627
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: there's something really wrong with it.

628
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh I thought you were about to say afloat.

629
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: You almost did, and then I was like, no, Josh,

630
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: do not say that.

631
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: He did produce perhaps one of the worst entries Irwin

632
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: Allen did of the genre with I don't think it

633
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: was his swan song, but it was definitely the end.

634
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty a movie called When Time Ran Out

635
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: that did have Paul Newman. It was about a volcano

636
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: at an island resort, but he was very much forced

637
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: into this movie because of his contract. I don't think

638
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: he had all wanted to make it. They cut the

639
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: budget Warner Brothers did, so they didn't even have the

640
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: money to make it look okay, and it was just

641
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: it was really bad. There's a pretty good quote in

642
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: here too.

643
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that the eruption when it finally comes, is

644
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: a wonderfully cheesy amalgam of wobbly back projection, bathtub title

645
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: wave and scared expressions from the cast.

646
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Oh man.

647
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: So then because of all this, because these movies has

648
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: got worse and worse, but then also like the high

649
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: drama that was played straight, it was just ripe for parody.

650
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: And like you said, Airplane was the one that you

651
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: really don't need to mention any other parody. It's it

652
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: as far as disaster film parodies go. It just completely

653
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: captured it perfectly.

654
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that movie holds up pretty well. I have

655
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Speaker 1: to say, it's still a fun watch, Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think we've made it to the end of

657
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Speaker 2: the seventies. The first real disaster boom has come and gone,

658
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Speaker 2: and things quiet down throughout the eighties. And we'll let

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Speaker 2: you think about this quietly through this ad break.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're back, and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the resurgence of disaster movies in the nineteen nineties. And

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Speaker 1: I may have mentioned it on this show before. I'm

663
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Speaker 1: not sure, but this is one of my legendary predictions.

664
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Speaker 1: My friend I can't remember it, but it was one

665
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: of the very, very very early nineties disaster flicks came out.

666
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Speaker 1: I wish I could have pinpointed which one it was,

667
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: but I remember very distinctly at the time in college

668
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: telling my friends, I was like you watch I was

669
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: like they're going to start making all of these movies again,

670
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: just like they did in the seventies, and there's gonna

671
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: be a ton of disaster movies. And it literally happened

672
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: like starting that year.

673
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: Man, did you hear that from the Ghost standing in

674
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: the middle of the street.

675
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that we've whispered it to you.

676
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: It's probably pre Ghost. But yes, Sharknado, Jared from Subway,

677
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman, and disaster movies the only four things I've

678
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: ever predicted.

679
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think some more are going to

680
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: come to the four over the coming years.

681
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: Chuck Stradamus could it could.

682
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: Only have been one of just a few movies, because

683
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Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was. Yeah, this whole, this

684
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: nineties disaster boom started and peaked and within a two

685
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: year period, and it got started off. You could say

686
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: in retrospect it was started off by Outbreak, which came

687
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Speaker 2: out in nineteen ninety five. It's an epidemic disaster movie.

688
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that counts.

689
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: I think most people don't point to that and say

690
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: that kicked it off. It's more like they say Twister

691
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: or Independence Day in nineteen ninety six picked it off.

692
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: And then yes, you would definitely lump Outbreak into it,

693
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: but it was probably one of those two movies.

694
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there was a movie called Avalanche in nineteen

695
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: ninety four, so they were dabbling in that world, but

696
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: it was not a big movie at all. As far

697
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: as like capturing attention. I think Twister for sure, And

698
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: that may have been the one actually where I was like,

699
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: oh man, you because that is what I think of

700
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: as like typical disaster. I don't I know this is controversial,

701
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure I put Independence Day in disaster movies.

702
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: There's something about when you add like zombies or aliens

703
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: and stuff, it just tweaks it slightly for me from

704
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: classic disaster. But again just my opinion.

705
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so even if you accept and not with

706
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Speaker 2: an A, but at ex Independence Day from this list,

707
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: then you still have Twister.

708
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: I think it was Twister.

709
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Speaker 2: I remember the entire country was talking about Twister.

710
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Speaker 1: Yeah it's I famously said Emily's favorite movies of all

711
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: time or every independent film ever made in Twister.

712
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean it's a really good movie. Bill

713
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: Paxson's amazing in it. Helen Hunt does great too, Like

714
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: it's a good movie and One of the reasons I

715
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: think that it did kick off that that second Boom

716
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: and disaster movies was that you could take the disaster

717
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: formula but then apply emerging CGI computer assisted special effects

718
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: that were at the time. It was like, holy cow,

719
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: we can do this now, like the White House being

720
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: blown up by the alien ship and Independence Day, Like

721
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: you just had not seen stuff like that before. This

722
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: was all very new, and they were using it sparingly

723
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: enough too that it didn't look fake.

724
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it was like those are really great

725
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: special effects. At the time, Twister looked really, really good.

726
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: We should also mention too. I know we didn't go

727
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: over this, but the it's just now occurring to me.

728
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: Philip Seymour Hoffman and Twister is also a kind of

729
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: a classic disaster movie trope character, which is sort of

730
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: a side character to the guy in the Chair. You

731
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: ever heard that, like the computer expert that just literally

732
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: sits in a chair the entire movie and figure stuff out.

733
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and usually has a smart mouth always.

734
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: This is sort of an adjacent thing though Philip Symore

735
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: Hoffman's character, which is sort of he's not in a chair,

736
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: but it's the wise, cracking, irreverent kind of you know,

737
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: he's wearing the Hawaiian shirt when everyone else has on

738
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: like tactical gear. That's you know, but super smart and

739
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: figuring stuff out. I'm not sure what they call that

740
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: in disaster movies, but it's their version of guy in

741
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: the chair.

742
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Speaker 2: I think. I don't think people have written enough about

743
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: disaster movies for anyone to name it. So call them,

744
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: call them what you want.

745
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: A Hoffman.

746
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: There you go. That's thet He was the Hoffman of

747
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: the movie and maybe one of the first.

748
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: We got to talk about Titanic. It's a disaster movie,

749
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: but it's got so much story and romance. It's definitely

750
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: a subgenre within it.

751
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: I think Bill Paxson was in that too.

752
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, b man, what a great guy.

753
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot he was gone.

754
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: That was so sad.

755
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was sad. So one of the other things too,

756
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: that fueled this nineties resurgence of the disaster broom is

757
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 2: that these movies, some of them Titanic, Independent, State, Twister,

758
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: they're among the highest grossing films of all time.

759
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: So just like in the seventies, studios were like, we

761
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: can spend lavishly on a production, but we're still going

762
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: to make back ten times or more what we put

763
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: into it. So they're like, good, let's start making disaster films,

764
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: and very quickly after some of these really creative original

765
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: disaster films you could see in theaters virtually at the

766
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: same time disaster films about the exact same topic.

767
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing for a little while. I

768
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: think I was still getting Premier magazine at the time,

769
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: and I remember they started writing about, you know, these

770
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: product auctions being kind of out trying to outrace one

771
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: another to get to the box office first, maybe to

772
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Speaker 1: their disadvantage as a production. But very famously the two

773
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Speaker 1: biggest examples, or I guess four are Armageddon in Deep Impact,

774
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: about a meteor striking the earth, you know, to basically

775
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: wipe out humanity, right, and then Dante's Peak and Volcano.

776
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: Neither of those were that great.

777
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: No to me, weren't. I don't was Volcano with Tommy

778
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: Lee Jones? Is that the one?

779
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? And Ann Hesh Yeah, ip again.

780
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Dante's Peak was Pierce Brosnan and Linda Hamilton.

781
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: Oh, Linda Hamilton, that's right.

782
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: And that's a really good example of like just how

783
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: disaster films like minimize women and their contributions. Linda Hamilton

784
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: was well known by this time as a female action star. Yeah,

785
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: like she was in the Terminator movie. She was a

786
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: total b a.

787
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sarah Connor.

788
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: Right, and but and in this movie, apparently she's she's

789
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: like a single mom who's totally dependent on Brosden to

790
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: help her and her kids. She's like kind, she whimpers

791
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: at times, like, Yeah, that's just one of the big

792
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: problems with the genre. Like if you can just kind

793
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: of hold your nose and make it through stuff like that,

794
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: then you're you can enjoy them. But if you focus

795
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: on things like that, you're probably not gonna like disaster films.

796
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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, What a waste of Linda Hamilton. What a shame.

797
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: I got to shout out a few more that weren't

798
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Speaker 1: listed here from the nineties Hard Rain, remember that one

799
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: Christian Slater and Mini Driver. No, it was a it

800
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: was a flood movie. But you know what was it about.

801
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: It's about a very hard rain. Okay, I just won't

802
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: stop raining. Friend shout out a friend of the show

803
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: Mini Driver. Listen to her wonderful podcast on our own network.

804
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: Many questions, very nice, I don't know if you remember

805
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: this one Firestorm with NFL legend Howie Long. No, Yeah,

806
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: that was one of the bad ones. I think he

807
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: was a like a forest fire, like a fire jumper

808
00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: kind of guy.

809
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: Are these ones you're shouting out sound like riff tracks? Candidates?

810
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: They probably are? And then also some of the one

811
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: word titles. There was a movie called Tornado. There was

812
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: a TV movie called Tornado Warning that starred Jerald McCraney

813
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: from Simon and Simon.

814
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Nice. I love that kid.

815
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: There was another movie called Flood, a second movie called Flood,

816
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: and then there was one from nineteen ninety nine, which

817
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: is sort of when things started to peter out, called

818
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: Storm with Luke Perry and Martin Sheen.

819
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: Wow, that is that's some nineties casting is a mini

820
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: driver in Christian Slater that screams nineties pretty.

821
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: Hard too, Yeah for sure.

822
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Speaker 2: But like you said, there's one other thing. The nineties

823
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: definitely contributed to the hero scientists where it wasn't it

824
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily some you know, tough dude. It was a

825
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: guy who had the smarts to figure out how to

826
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: deal with this or knew what was coming. That's another

827
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: trope from Disaster films, especially now, Usually the hero is

828
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: the only one who can see the impending disaster. You

829
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: believe him, and then he ends up having to save

830
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: everybody Else's took us because no one believed him and

831
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: didn't take any measures to thwart the disaster from happening.

832
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: Right, And once again you were saying he because all

833
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: of these movies failed the Bechdel.

834
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Test for sure.

835
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Speaker 1: And there's also a thing that pops up in the nineties,

836
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: which was the like the rival scientist. If there was

837
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: a hero scientist, a lot of times there was an

838
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: ant well not anti hero, because that's still a hero.

839
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: Just the anti scientist show was still a scientist. I'm

840
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: clumsily working my way through this. But they thwart the hero.

841
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: It's you know, like usually a government scientist or something,

842
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: or maybe an official and they dismiss everything like that.

843
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: The hero scientist is.

844
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: Saying, right, that's it can also be a government official.

845
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: Very frequently they get their come up, and pretty commonly

846
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: in nineties on disaster movies.

847
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you call it? Diehard? That's not a

848
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: disaster movie, is it.

849
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: I've seen it listed.

850
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it could be.

851
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: To me, it's just a straight ahead action film.

852
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: I totally agree, but it does splash Christmas movie.

853
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: Like you would say, all the people in all the

854
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: people in Nakotomy Plaza, that's a disaster to them.

855
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the world's going.

856
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: About its business as usual, but to them inside, they're

857
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: in the midst of a disaster. They have to survive.

858
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think just I don't know. I

859
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: think so. The same thing with Speed. In Speed, Keanu

860
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: reads the hero was a.

861
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: SWAT member, right, Not in every person right die.

862
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: Hard John McClain. He's a cop, even though he's off

863
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: his beat, he's still a cop. Like the hero has

864
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: to be some sort of everyman who or may not

865
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: possess some special sort of skills or knowledge that help

866
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: him overcome this problem. And then his medal that he

867
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: may not even have known that was there is tapped

868
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: and he leads other people the safety.

869
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. But you know, as the nineties wore

870
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: on with things like Luke Perry's movie Rip once Again

871
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: in ninety nine, things really kind of stopped. In the

872
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: wake of nine to eleven. It just wasn't something that

873
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: people wanted to see for a little while, so there

874
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: was a lull. You knew it would come back. Early

875
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: two thousands had a few of them here and there.

876
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: There was one called the Core in two thousand and three,

877
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: where the inner core of the Earth ceases to rotate

878
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: and scientists once again have to vomit to get that

879
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: thing kickstarted, just like using the paddles in the er,

880
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: right clear?

881
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeh? What was the two thousand and three So yeah,

882
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: the very next year was the Day after Tomorrow, and that,

883
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: to me is the bridge between the nineties YEA disaster

884
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: films and the ones that kicked off in the twenty tens.

885
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Agreed, It is awesome.

886
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: It's got a great cast. Scientists are the heroes. There's

887
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: a bunch of different stuff going on. The world is

888
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: being threatened. There's amazing special effects of things just going haywire.

889
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: There's wolves.

890
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: There's wolves, yep. And then that scene of the tsunami

891
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: flooding New York. There's a shot that's the exact same

892
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: shot in Deluge of the tsunami coming.

893
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: To no interest.

894
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: So I've read that it was probably an homage to that.

895
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's kind of cool. Yeah, so too. Two thousand

896
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: and nine was a pretty big year, just when they

897
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: really started to come back. You know pre twenty ten's

898
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: with the movie the Mayan Calendar anxiety movie twenty twelve

899
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: came out.

900
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Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

901
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? That was rolling emerick right, yes.

902
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: No, But I mean, do you remember living in that

903
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 2: time where people were actually like a little nervous about

904
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: it was like y two k light.

905
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we did a podcast on it.

906
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: We totally did.

907
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

908
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I remember correctly, we told everybody it's

909
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: totally fine. The Maya Calendar doesn't actually say the world's

910
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: gonna end, a new calendar starts.

911
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: That's right, and we're all here right now. So thankfully

912
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: that came true. Twenty twelve was not a great movie,

913
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: but it did because of the scope of like just

914
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: the world ending. They could be they could be like, hey,

915
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: let's just do any disaster we want anywhere, all across

916
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: the world.

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00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: Not a great movie. I watched that one yesterday too.

918
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was very good.

919
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: Oh I liked it a lot, I think to me,

920
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: and I know you know this, but to me, twenty

921
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 2: twelve is basically up there with The Towering Inferno as

922
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: far as the best examples of a disaster film. Go, okay,

923
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Speaker 2: there you go.

924
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Speaker 1: My favorite disaster film is not listed here, but it

925
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Speaker 1: is from the twenty tens. As far as being an

926
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: actual great great film is Steven Soderberg's twenty eleven film Contagion.

927
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good one.

928
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Speaker 1: It is. I mean, it's a disaster movie, but it

929
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: doesn't play like one because it is so realistically scary

930
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: and doesn't have that sort of summer movie kind of

931
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: schlocky appeal. But it's it's a disaster movie for sure.

932
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: Did you like me detect a note of hostility when

933
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: the medical examiner pulls Gwyneth Paltrow's face like roughly off

934
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: of her skull during her autopsy?

935
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember that.

936
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: It seemed like they that was gratuitous, like they there

937
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: was like Soderberg had a problem with Gwyneth.

938
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: Palkwyneth Paltrow maybe.

939
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: So Yeah, that was a really good movie too, And

940
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: that would be an example of some of the highbrow

941
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: ones that started to come out in twenty ten, like,

942
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: like we said, The Impossible, there was a Korean one

943
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: called Pandora that came out in two thousand and seven

944
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: about a nuclear meltdown. Solly about Captain Chelsea Stulemberger's landing

945
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: in the Hudson River where not one person died. I

946
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: have seen a plane I should say landed a plane.

947
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Yeah that was Hanks, right, yeah, yeah.

948
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: He was in every single movie that was out at

949
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: one point. I think.

950
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went through a string of playing real life

951
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: characters here and there. That's right. Some of those weren't great,

952
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: but I did like the one about the Somali pirates,

953
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: Captain whatever his name.

954
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: Was, Captain Hoffman.

955
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it.

956
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: So one of the other things that the two thousand

957
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: and ten Onward Disaster films did was at the very

958
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: least the studios figured out, like, hey, these are kind

959
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: of like easily translated internationally, and we don't mean the

960
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: dialogues translated easily, although it definitely is, yeah for sure,

961
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: And because everything's so morally cut and dried, people anywhere

962
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: can get what they're seeing, even though it's an American

963
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: made film about Americans. But also in these movies that

964
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: are like a worldwide catastrophe, you have the opportunity to

965
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: take down landmarks all over the world. So in France

966
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: they can see like the Eiffel Tower going down, they're like,

967
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: whoa France, you know. And then one of the other

968
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: things too. Is because of these huge, huge all star casts.

969
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: You can easily cast foreign actors or actors who are

970
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: really big in the country they hail from, and that'll

971
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: up the box office too in the country.

972
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all a formula. The Rock started being in

973
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these. That was one of the few

974
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: moves I've ever walked out on was San Andreas in

975
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen with Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I did not

976
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: think it was very good at all. He followed that

977
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: a few years later, you liked it.

978
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: I didn't see it in theaters, though. I think if

979
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: I had paid twenty bucks to see it, I probably

980
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: would have been upset.

981
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he was in Skyscraper, not to be

982
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: outdone by San Andreas, another not so great movie a

983
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: few years later in twenty eighteen. But again, some people

984
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: love all the Rocks stuff. Sure, it's just my dumb opinion.

985
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: I had an idea or a thought that I wanted

986
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: to share, Chuck, let's hear it about the twenty ten's boom.

987
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: It didn't burn out in one decade. It's still they're

988
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: still making straight ahead twenty ten style disaster films. And

989
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: I was thinking that the reason why is because there's

990
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: so many more studios now putting out so many different

991
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: types of movies that it hasn't become a glut of

992
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: so so movies, or even if there are so so

993
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: disaster movies, there's still room to make other good ones

994
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: rather than just three or four studios going all in

995
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 2: on disaster films for the same few years.

996
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, just spacing them out as you know, like

997
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: just something you can return to. That's a pretty dependable release,

998
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: but not like, hey, let's release nine of these in

999
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: the next two years exactly.

1000
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: There's a wider variety. So it's been allowed to just

1001
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: kind of continue on, and in my opinion it's gotten better.

1002
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: Like Leave the World Behind was really good. The wave

1003
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: of Norwegian one that came out in twenty sixteen was

1004
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: like highly acclaimed. Don't look up, did you see that?

1005
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: The satire from Adam McKay, Yes, I did. It was

1006
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: pretty good. Actually liked it a lot. But it's it

1007
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: satirizes government and people not taking climate change seriously. But

1008
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: and it's a disaster film, but it's not a parody

1009
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: of disaster films, right, it uses disaster films to satirize

1010
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: that stuff.

1011
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is. That's an interesting take for sure.

1012
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: You know you got anything else?

1013
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: No, I feel like I need to watch more. I

1014
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: didn't actually watch any full disaster films again in preparation

1015
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: like you did. So this has inspired me to go

1016
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: back and watch some of those from the seventies that

1017
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I never saw.

1018
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: Definitely watch Earthquake and watch Airport seventy.

1019
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Five seventy five. And I still haven't seen Towering Inferno.

1020
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely see that too.

1021
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, done, Okay, great.

1022
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, since Chuck agreed to see some movies that I

1023
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: thought he should see, we've unlocked listener mail.

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