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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: Somalie. I got to say the Republicans every day, another

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Speaker 3: bad poll comes out, but they're about to blow ahead

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Speaker 3: with a budget that would slash medicaid and food benefits

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's.

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Speaker 1: Called one big beautiful bill, and it's big, it's beautiful,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to make a lot of people suffer

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Speaker 1: quite a lot. So this beautiful bell will be an

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty billion dollar cut for Medicaid over

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Speaker 1: for rural hospitals, less money for rural berths. Right, think

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Speaker 1: about all the people who will have berths covered by Medicaid.

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Speaker 1: This will be painful. This will be the stuff that

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Speaker 1: that will affect the people. A lot of these people did,

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Speaker 1: in fact bue for Donald Trump. It will affect a

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Speaker 1: lot of Red state people painful cuts to Medicaid. It

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Speaker 1: needy so that very very rich people can have their

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Speaker 2: And that's where we are here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it's going to go very well.

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Speaker 2: I think it should be very power popular.

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Speaker 1: People really like to give tax cuts to very very

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Speaker 3: I really had some hope when they started admitting that

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Speaker 3: seventy one percent of Trump's voters opposed these medicaid cuts,

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Speaker 3: according to a recent pull from Heart Research.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're going to be shocked to hear this,

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Speaker 1: do not want this. These are not popular ideas. We

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Speaker 2: You know, they got.

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Speaker 1: Elected to make bananas less expensive, right because of the

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Speaker 1: about inflation. Well, now they've solved inflation by making it

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Speaker 1: So again, this one beautiful bill is in the House.

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Speaker 3: Fun times. And you know, one of the really fun

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Speaker 1: Fraud doesn't mean fraud here, it means things that Elon

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Speaker 1: Like you may not like that NIH funding has this

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Speaker 1: If this were about cutting spending, they would have auditors.

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Speaker 1: This is not about and spending. This was never about

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Speaker 1: Jeed here as a contributor to the nation and the

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Speaker 1: host of the Time of Monsters. Welcome back to Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: my buddy, Jeed Here.

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Speaker 5: Always good to be on the program.

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Speaker 1: It really is like living over a mac lab, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: was responsible for something I actually never thought I would see,

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Speaker 5: which is the birth of a robust Canadian nationalism. You're

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Speaker 5: seeing people at supermarkets are like closely looking at labels

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Speaker 5: actually not supermarkets are like putting on big maple leafs

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Speaker 2: I never thought, Oh my god, you.

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Speaker 5: Money takes to make Canadians nationalistic.

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Speaker 2: Takes a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god. So so I.

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Speaker 5: change wars against allies. Yes, yes, they clearly want regime

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Speaker 5: Right Under classical fascism, what you have is a culture

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Speaker 5: Like just explain to people what's going on. There's a

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Speaker 1: The thing I'm thinking about that's really like sticking my

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Speaker 5: Yeah? No, absolutely, I absolutely I think that we're going

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Speaker 2: And do you agree, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that's the beginning of you know, sort of change

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you all.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be on.

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Speaker 1: Chris Kluey is a writer and former professional football player

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Speaker 2: So excited to have you.

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Speaker 6: Welcome Chris, Yeah, thank you for having me on. I

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Speaker 1: So I want you to talk about how your political

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Speaker 6: I'd say my political awakening happened in why. I can't

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Speaker 7: in your late eighties, early nineties, Like I'm not going

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Speaker 7: to lie, I told book the language like I you know,

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Speaker 7: I realized, hey, wait a minute, why am I saying

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Speaker 7: things that hurt other people? And I don't want to

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Speaker 7: hurt other people. So I make a conscious decision to change,

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Speaker 7: and then that just kind of continued. I met my wife,

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Speaker 7: You know that that helped a lot too, because obviously

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Speaker 7: she's smarter than I am.

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Speaker 6: So trying to make sure I listened to her.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, I'd say the real big part would be

444
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Speaker 7: the first time I spoke out in favor of LGBTQ

445
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Speaker 7: rights back when I was playing for the Vikings. That

446
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Speaker 7: really kind of catapulted me into I guess the public

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Speaker 7: knowledge sphere.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, that was a real interesting experience.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, if you know there's so much pressure

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Speaker 1: for professional athletes to not get involved in politics, you know,

451
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Speaker 1: speaking out for people who are LGBTQ that strikes me

452
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Speaker 1: as like a moral decision.

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Speaker 2: Talk me through how you got there.

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Speaker 6: Sure.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So at that point, I've been prettiest published as

456
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Speaker 7: the Viking's punner, had set most of the team records

457
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Speaker 7: for punning, and you know, I was feeling pretty pretty

458
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Speaker 7: good in my position there. During the off season, I

459
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Speaker 7: had been approached by a group called Minnesotans for Marriage

460
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Speaker 7: Quality and they were working to overturn the state was

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Speaker 7: attempting to pass a state amendment that would have banned

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Speaker 7: same sex marriage. And so they had seen my Twitter account,

463
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Speaker 7: you know, where I posted like things I agreed with,

464
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Speaker 7: things they disagreed with, and they're like, hey, you know,

465
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Speaker 7: we think this guy might help us out. So they

466
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Speaker 7: got in contact with me and said, would you be

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Speaker 7: interested in helping us try to defeat this amendment. I

468
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Speaker 7: was like, well, yeah, of course I'll help you. I

469
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Speaker 7: don't think states should be in the business of entraining

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Speaker 7: discrimination into the state constitution. That seems somewhat Unamerican or

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Speaker 7: very American if you know.

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Speaker 2: Your history right exactly.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, so started working with them.

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Speaker 7: It was pretty low key at first, like it was,

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Speaker 7: you know, a couple of radio appearances, doing talks, you know,

476
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Speaker 7: just meeting people, trying to get them to understand that like, hey,

477
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Speaker 7: gay people, they don't want to ruin your life.

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Speaker 6: They just want to be free to live their own. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So so they continued that way for the most part,

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Speaker 7: and I made sure to talk with the team's legal

481
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Speaker 7: department beforehand. I'm like, hey, like, you know, what are

482
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Speaker 7: the rules on this? From your perspective?

483
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Speaker 6: What can I do? What can I not do?

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Speaker 7: Like, as long as you're on your own time, you

485
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Speaker 7: can do whatever you want, you know, just just don't

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Speaker 7: do it like at a you know, team facility, or

487
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Speaker 7: like during a game or something like that.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, that's fair, I can do that.

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Speaker 7: All my advocating was on my own time as a

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Speaker 7: private citizen, which everyone should be able to do. Right,

491
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Speaker 7: We're all human beings, we're all American citizens. We should

492
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Speaker 7: all be able to advocate for the society that we

493
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Speaker 7: want to live in. But then I went super viral

494
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Speaker 7: when I wrote a letter called they Won't Magically turn

495
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Speaker 7: you into a lustful cock monster, and somehow that picked

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Speaker 7: up some attention. From that point there was like, okay, yeah,

497
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Speaker 7: now the national organizations they're interested, you know, feeling calls

498
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Speaker 7: from all over and the yeah, that's that's what it

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Speaker 7: became a big deal.

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Speaker 1: What I think is so important about being a professional

501
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Speaker 1: athlete who speaks out, you know, against discrimination, because that's

502
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Speaker 1: really all you're doing here, right, is saying it's bad

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Speaker 1: to discriminate against.

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Speaker 2: People for who they love.

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Speaker 1: As a professional athlete, you really do have a lot

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Speaker 1: of power in American society. So I mean, did you

507
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Speaker 1: feel like the other athletes, did you feel supported by them,

508
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Speaker 1: or did you get criticism or did nobody notice in

509
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Speaker 1: your work world?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So in the locker room, it was a really

512
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Speaker 7: interesting mix because I had about like sixty percent of

513
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Speaker 7: the guys came up to me and said, you know,

514
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Speaker 7: we fully support you, like, you know, we support everything

515
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Speaker 7: you're standing for, And then about forty percent were like,

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Speaker 7: you know, we don't really agree with you on the

517
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Speaker 7: same sex marriage issue, but you know, we appreciate you

518
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Speaker 7: speaking out for first amendments, like, you know, everyone should have.

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Speaker 6: The freedom to speak.

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Speaker 7: And what I thought was interesting was that that breakdown

521
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Speaker 7: kind of mirrored the public support breakdown for same sex

522
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Speaker 7: marriage at the time. It was, you know, it was

523
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Speaker 7: pretty close to sixty forty at the time in favor

524
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Speaker 7: of allowing same sex marriage. I think what it goes

525
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Speaker 7: to illustrate is that, rightly or wrongly, people put athletes

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Speaker 7: on this pedestal. Right, you know, we do have a

527
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Speaker 7: large platform, we do have a large voice, But at

528
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Speaker 7: the end of the day. We're people just like everybody else,

529
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Speaker 7: and we come from a very broad array of backgrounds,

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Speaker 7: especially the NFL, like the you know, you get guys

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Speaker 7: from all over the country. Sometimes you get guys from

532
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Speaker 7: outside the country, and so a locker room is not

533
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Speaker 7: this homogeneous thing. It is a very diverse workspace. Hopefully

534
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Speaker 7: President Trump doesn't try to get rid of it because

535
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Speaker 7: it's a divis workspace, because that might negatively influence the NFL.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think he's a fan of the NFL anyway,

537
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Speaker 7: So we'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernack was so incredibly careful about the way he

539
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Speaker 1: focused on Neil laying and you know, every single bit

540
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Speaker 1: of resistance he picked was set up in a way

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Speaker 1: to be as respectful as possible while still being political.

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Speaker 1: I noticed you doing some of that in your most

543
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Speaker 1: recent speech to talk about that and then also what

544
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Speaker 1: that means to you, right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So obviously, from my personal perspective, I believe Colin

546
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Speaker 7: Kaepernick got blacklisted from league. I'm not going to say

547
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Speaker 7: he's the best quarterback that was playing at the time,

548
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Speaker 7: but he certainly was one of the thirty two that

549
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Speaker 7: should have been on the tee. There's no question about that,

550
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Speaker 7: and that is my professional opinion as a former football player,

551
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Speaker 7: like he deserved the r team. The problem with the

552
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Speaker 7: NFL is the majority of the owners are old, rich,

553
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Speaker 7: white guys who donate to Donald Trump and vote for

554
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump, believe a lot of the same things as

555
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump, and they're the ones who signed the checks.

556
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Speaker 6: So until management makes a decision that things are going

557
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Speaker 6: to be different, labor can't really do a whole lot

558
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Speaker 6: because labors at risk of losing their job. So I

559
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Speaker 6: think what Kaepernick did was very brave, very necessary because

560
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Speaker 6: obviously it sparked a conversation that we still haven't finished

561
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Speaker 6: having right. Police brutality is still a problem in the

562
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Speaker 6: United States, but you know, at least it's higher in

563
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Speaker 6: the level of the social conscious than it was before.

564
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Speaker 6: But yeah, my wife and I were talking about how

565
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Speaker 6: if I hadn't been blacklisted for LGBTQ rights, I definitely

566
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Speaker 6: would have been for taking any I would have been

567
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Speaker 6: right there with him, because again, like I think that's

568
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Speaker 6: an important thing to talk about because if in our society,

569
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Speaker 6: if one person isn't free, then none of us are free,

570
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Speaker 6: because eventually they're going to come for you, and like

571
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Speaker 6: we're seeing that right now with the Trump administration, Like

572
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Speaker 6: trans people are just the start. He's trying to erase

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Speaker 6: trans people. Then he's gonna move on to the rest

574
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Speaker 6: of the LGBTQ community. Then he's going to move on

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Speaker 6: to the people that support them.

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Speaker 7: And so if you want to keep that from happening,

577
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Speaker 7: you've got to speak up for trans people.

578
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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: So when you spoke up at this meeting, talk to

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Speaker 1: me about sort of how you pick that place and

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Speaker 1: what that was like, and also sort of how that

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Speaker 1: reflects your activism.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 7: Basically for me, this isn't my first city council meeting

586
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Speaker 7: with the hunting Commut City Council.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly.

588
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Speaker 7: Yes, I've been showing up to these meetings for I

589
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Speaker 7: think over like two two and a half years now,

590
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Speaker 7: because they've been trying to mess with the library for

591
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Speaker 7: about two and a half years now, And it started

592
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Speaker 7: with one of our council members at Gracie Vandermark. She

593
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Speaker 7: wanted to ban a bunch of books from the children's section.

594
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Speaker 7: They were all LGBTQ books, and so the community was like, hey,

595
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Speaker 7: wait a minute, that's that's a book ban can't do that.

596
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Speaker 7: And so then she came back and tried to install

597
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Speaker 7: an oversight panel. They would judge the you know, the

598
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Speaker 7: content of all books in the library, and the bad

599
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Speaker 7: ones would go to their own special place and you know,

600
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Speaker 7: you need permission to check them out. And then the

601
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Speaker 7: community is like, that's just a book banning, Like you're

602
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Speaker 7: just talk about banning books again. So we started a

603
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Speaker 7: community petition, got well over like fifteen or sixteen thousand signatures.

604
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Speaker 7: Then she tried to privatize the library, and the community

605
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Speaker 7: is like, no, we don't want our library privatisa you

606
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Speaker 7: can take control, We want you to leave the library alone.

607
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Speaker 7: Started another petition that one got over fifteen or sixteen

608
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Speaker 7: thousand signatures. By the way, the council meeting where I

609
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Speaker 7: got arrested, both of those petitions were on the agenda

610
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Speaker 7: as well, and the council is trying to ignore them

611
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Speaker 7: because they don't care about our community. All they care

612
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Speaker 7: about is accumulating power for themselves. So then that brings

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Speaker 7: us to the Maga flat, which is where I was

614
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Speaker 7: like at this point, I'm like, okay that these people

615
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Speaker 7: clearly don't care about us as a community. They don't

616
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Speaker 7: care about what the community wants. And so I was like, Okay, well,

617
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Speaker 7: if your intent is to put MAGA front and center

618
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Speaker 7: on this public library, which public library supposed to be

619
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Speaker 7: a political anyone should be able to go in. If

620
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Speaker 7: that's your intent, I am going to tell you exactly

621
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Speaker 7: what MAGA stands for, because I'm a history and police

622
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Speaker 7: ion ager, and the parallels are really clear.

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Speaker 6: So but I also.

624
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Speaker 7: Knew they have a habit of tuning us out and

625
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 7: like just ignoring everything that he does, So I knew

626
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 7: it needed to be something more. And Huntington Beach is

627
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 7: kind of a microcosm of what's happening in our nation,

628
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 7: and that this is what it looks like when MEGA

629
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 7: gets controlled. They don't care about the community, They don't

630
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 7: care about people. They care about what they can do,

631
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Speaker 7: what power they can wield, and how they can get

632
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Speaker 7: more of it. And that's what we're seeing play out

633
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Speaker 7: right now on the national level. So the point of

634
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Speaker 7: my protest, the peaceful civil dos obediance was twofold. It

635
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 7: was one, Hey, this is a local matter that you know,

636
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 7: I really care strongly about, but two, this is also

637
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Speaker 7: a national matter, and this is what I want to

638
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 7: see our democratically elected officials doing like they they should

639
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 7: be the ones leading the charge in this. And I

640
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 7: think it really feels like there's a giant round swell

641
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 7: of anger towards our elected officials that why aren't you

642
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 7: doing anything? Like we can see what's happening. We know

643
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 7: you can see what's happening. Why aren't you stepping up?

644
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 7: Like where is John Lewis?

645
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Speaker 6: Like? Right, who's causing good trouble?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

647
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Speaker 1: I mean what you're talking about is the same thing

648
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Speaker 1: that Jane Fonda was talking about at the.

649
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Speaker 2: SAG Awards, right that this is the moment? Are you

650
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Speaker 2: going to be brave?

651
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Speaker 6: Right? Yeah, we're living in a documentary right now, like

652
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Speaker 6: you don't get a second chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My grandfather was jailed for the House and an American activities.

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Speaker 1: And I often think, you know, who's blacklisted under McCarthy,

656
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Speaker 1: And I often think about, like what do you do

657
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Speaker 1: when this is the only choice? So I'm wondering, do

658
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Speaker 1: you think that you'll run for office? I mean I

659
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Speaker 1: think you should. No, I'm sorry I did tell you.

660
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Speaker 1: I know how fun that is, and I just had

661
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Speaker 1: my own problems with it.

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Speaker 2: But talk to me about that, right, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I've had a ton of people ask me

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Speaker 7: that I've had local Democratic clubs reach out and you know,

665
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Speaker 7: I've spoken at a couple of them, just you know, kind

666
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Speaker 7: of to like help transpire people. And my main concern

667
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Speaker 7: is being as effective as I could be, Like, you know,

668
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Speaker 7: I don't want to be a figurehead that runs for

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Speaker 7: some office that already has a Democratic official in it,

670
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Speaker 7: and then I'm just taking someone's job who's already doing

671
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Speaker 7: it well.

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Speaker 6: Because for the most part, aside from our local city council,

673
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Speaker 6: I'm fairly happy with our representatives. Like I wish, yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 7: They were doing a bit more, but on the whole,

675
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Speaker 7: like they've been pretty good, and I'm not going to

676
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Speaker 7: take someone's job that a I don't want to do.

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Speaker 6: That they're already doing well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, So I'm still in the sort of, I

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Speaker 6: guess exploration phase of trying to figure out what will

681
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Speaker 6: be the most effective way to go forward and help

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Speaker 6: people become aware that we are in an existential crisis,

683
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Speaker 6: like our country is in a crisis, and that we

684
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Speaker 6: need to decide whether we are Americans or we are

685
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Speaker 6: someone who bends the need to a king, because those

686
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Speaker 6: two things cannot coexist.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to people who are like, yeah,

688
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Speaker 1: Democrats are always hysterical. This is just meant to be.

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Speaker 1: You know, this isn't as bad as they're saying. It

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Speaker 1: is in my mind. I you know, did a YouTube

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Speaker 1: series on Project twenty twenty five, so all this, you know,

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Speaker 1: I knew they wanted to expand executive power, strip the

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Speaker 1: federal government of any sort of autonomy it had, and

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Speaker 1: made it make it an arm of the presidency. So

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Speaker 1: what they're doing to me is not so surprising. But

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Speaker 1: when you talk to people who are low news consumption people,

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Speaker 1: how do you explain it.

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Speaker 7: One good resource actually that just came out recently, I

699
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Speaker 7: would say the watch Governor Pritzker's speech, because he does

700
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Speaker 7: a really good job of playing out beat by beat,

701
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Speaker 7: you know what, here's what Nazi Germany did.

702
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Speaker 6: Guess what, here's what we're doing.

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Speaker 7: And I think for me, one thing I found that

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Speaker 7: that helps get a lot at traction is asking people like,

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Speaker 7: you know, as an American, are you okay with a king?

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Speaker 6: And most people will tell you.

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Speaker 7: No, right like, because a you know, we all learn

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Speaker 7: in like first or second grade the founding of America.

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Speaker 7: You know, that the founding father is fucking George, like like,

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Speaker 7: we don't, we don't have a king, and so then

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Speaker 7: you you know, then you tell them, Hey, the official

712
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Speaker 7: White House government account posted a picture of an American

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Speaker 7: president with crown on his head and referred to him

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Speaker 7: as a king, like that's frankly the most Unamerican thing

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Speaker 7: I can think of. And it regardless of your political affiliation.

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Speaker 7: We have to be able to come together as American

717
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Speaker 7: citizens that say no kinks because other way, like I said,

718
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Speaker 7: we're not America anymore. It can be tough to make

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Speaker 7: people care about it, but if you can get them

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Speaker 7: to understand that, like, really, this is about who you

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Speaker 7: are as a country, I think that goes a long

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Speaker 7: way towards getting them interested and sort of been nitty

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Speaker 7: gritty of like, okay, what do these individual actions mean,

724
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Speaker 7: because because let's be frank firing the three JG's like,

725
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Speaker 7: that's a really bad sign.

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Speaker 6: That's what you do when you're preparing to order the

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Speaker 6: military to take illegal action.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like there are so many people who

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Speaker 1: are not standing up for us. There are so many

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Speaker 1: people in our government on the right, but also some

731
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Speaker 1: on the left who are not being brave you have

732
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Speaker 1: been really if you got arrested, you went to jail,

733
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Speaker 1: right like Jane Fondo who went to jail all these

734
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Speaker 1: times and is eighty seven years old, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: pretty good. But like when you think about it, how

736
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Speaker 1: are you brave? Like what is it? And you were?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever like freak out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Well so, I mean I was.

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Speaker 7: I was nervous going up to the podium right, like,

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Speaker 7: like it wasn't the most nervous I've been. That was

741
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Speaker 7: probably my first NFL game, Like it's probably the most

742
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Speaker 7: nervous I've been. But yeah, this one, I was like okay,

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Speaker 7: like yeah, this because again you're you're preparing to break

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Speaker 7: the law because what you feel is so strongly, like

745
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Speaker 7: you feel so strongly about it that you're willing to

746
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Speaker 7: break the law to show other people that this is important.

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Speaker 7: And for me, a big inspiration along those lines is

748
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Speaker 7: you know, the mainteen sixties American civil rights protest Like

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Speaker 7: this this was where we as a nation, you know,

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Speaker 7: kind of had to decide like are we are we

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Speaker 7: a segregated nation or are we a nation that like

752
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Speaker 7: truly is freedom for all? You know, equality for everyone.

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Speaker 7: The Vietnam protest. That's another one, right, Like, that's again,

754
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Speaker 7: this is an unjust war that's killing tons of our

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Speaker 7: young people. Why are we doing this?

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Speaker 6: Right? And you have a bunch of brave people standing

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Speaker 6: up to that and not fighting, but showing that they

758
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Speaker 6: won't comply and that this means so much to them

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Speaker 6: that they're willing to break the law to make that statement.

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Speaker 6: So for me personally, it's not so much a matter

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Speaker 6: of bravery, but it's what would I want someone else

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Speaker 6: to do if I was in the position of being oppressed,

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Speaker 6: And so if I want someone else to speak out

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Speaker 6: for me, I have to speak out for them. If

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Speaker 6: I want someone to get arrested for me, I got

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Speaker 6: to get arrested for them.

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Speaker 7: Otherwise the whole thing doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's more of this kind of bravery

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Speaker 1: in sports world now or do you think now?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, we'll see, right.

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Speaker 7: I know there are a lot of well educated football players,

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Speaker 7: you know, stereotypes to the contrary. I know there's a

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Speaker 7: lot of guys who care about their communities and care

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Speaker 7: about what happens in this country.

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Speaker 6: The question is is are you willing to give up

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Speaker 6: one of like the dream jobs in the world in

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Speaker 6: order to take that stands, and that's a really tough

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Speaker 6: ask and it's a really tough decision to make within

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Speaker 6: yourself because you've got to provide for your family, right

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Speaker 6: like you got to provide for kids. And on the

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Speaker 6: other hand, if society starts falling apart, well it doesn't

782
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Speaker 6: matter that you're going to play in the NFL. It's

783
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Speaker 6: going to become really hard to provide for your family

784
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Speaker 6: and kids. So yeah, I think I think a lot

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Speaker 6: of guys are probably.

786
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Speaker 7: Having that internal question right now, and I would hope

787
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Speaker 7: to see more people speak out and call out what's

788
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Speaker 7: happening because they do have the platform and they can

789
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Speaker 7: make people aware because again, I think that's another thing

790
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Speaker 7: that a lot of people don't understand. Donald Trump won

791
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Speaker 7: with a plurality and half the country didn't vote, So

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Speaker 7: that means whatever mandate they're claiming is twenty five percent

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Speaker 7: of the population, and that's not a mandate. That's okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: we had a lot of disinterested people in this election.

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Speaker 7: We need to find a way to get them interested

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Speaker 7: because obviously this is what happens when you're not interested

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Speaker 7: in your country. But to say that, like this is

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Speaker 7: what the people want. No, this is not what the

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Speaker 7: people want. This is what a very racist my minority of

800
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Speaker 7: the country wants, most of the rest of the countries, like,

801
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Speaker 7: just leave me alone so I could live my life

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Speaker 7: and hopefully my Medicare covers my hospital bills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're a hero, But do you regret

804
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Speaker 1: opening the door to this as someone who, like I

805
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Speaker 1: grew up with a mom who wrote about me all

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Speaker 1: the time, so I never you know, I never knew

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Speaker 1: what it was like to be normal, so I never

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Speaker 1: had the chance to like not be this.

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Speaker 2: But I wonder, like, do you ever want to like

810
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Speaker 2: undo it?

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Speaker 7: So the thing is like, yeah, obviously I wish I

812
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Speaker 7: didn't have to be the one to do this because

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Speaker 7: the people in power aka are elected officials, and I

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Speaker 7: know I complain about our democratic elected officials a lot,

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Speaker 7: but like, the Republicans are just being treason thiss cowards

816
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Speaker 7: right now. The whole purpose of our separation of powers

817
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Speaker 7: is so that when you have a president wants to

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Speaker 7: be a king, Congress shuts him down. And right now

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Speaker 7: Congress is abdicating that duty. And it is solely on

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Speaker 7: the shoulders of the Republicans because they hold a majority

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Speaker 7: in both houses. That being said, I don't want to

822
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Speaker 7: have to do this, but the problem is I have

823
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Speaker 7: to do this because otherwise the country I want to

824
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Speaker 7: live in will cease to exist. Like I was happily

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Speaker 7: retired up to this point, like my life was pretty quiet.

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Speaker 6: I was a day with it. I would rather be

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Speaker 6: home playing video games. Yeah, that's what I want to do.

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Speaker 7: But because this is where we're at, I need to

829
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Speaker 7: step up and do something because if we keep going

830
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Speaker 7: down this path, things will start getting worse and worse

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Speaker 7: and worse.

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Speaker 6: And I do not want things to reach that point.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And I think, as much as I hate to say

835
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Speaker 1: this to you, because I feel like it's really mean,

836
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Speaker 1: you should run for office.

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Speaker 6: I.

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Speaker 2: Know no one does. That's the problem, is it. That's

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Speaker 2: how we're here, you know, right?

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, like I said, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to figure out what the most effective way

842
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Speaker 7: forward is because again it's it's going to take all

843
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Speaker 7: of us to get through this and survive.

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Speaker 6: I'm not being hyperbolic about that. It really will take

845
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Speaker 6: all of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Chris, Yeah, thank you for having me on

848
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Speaker 6: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And now we have a special bonus excerpt from our

850
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Speaker 1: interview with former Vice presidential and Minnesota governor Tim Walls,

851
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: where he talks candidly about what went wrong and what

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Speaker 1: went right. I feel like you and I have been

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Speaker 1: through it, not together, but the twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Cycle serendipitous in a very strange way. Like I met you,

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Speaker 4: I was, you know, like forty eighth out of fifty

856
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Speaker 4: governors if people knew or something, and you had me out.

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Speaker 4: We went to correspondence dinner.

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Speaker 8: Yes for me, that was really fun, big deal.

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Speaker 4: And we have watched this evolution and the heartbreak of

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Speaker 4: not finishing this damn job. And I think you and

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Speaker 4: I and certainly the Vice president and others knew what

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Speaker 4: the result of not winning was going to be.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it is when we talked through this and

864
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Speaker 1: we talk about what it looks like the sort of

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Speaker 1: federalist I mean, you guys have a lot more power.

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Speaker 1: Like one of the things that I always fault Democrats

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Speaker 1: for is that, or at least I looked at Republicans,

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Speaker 1: you know, during Biden's we saw Texas really and Florida

869
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Speaker 1: really just be like we're doing our own thing now,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats can do that to a certain extent, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean they may be punished. Yeah, So talk us

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Speaker 1: through that, yes.

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Speaker 4: And look, I hear the thing out there is is

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Speaker 4: that when we get back, which we will, we'll fight.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what people are gonna expect is they're

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Speaker 4: not going to expect us to tinkle around the edge

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Speaker 4: with the ACA. They're going to expect universal health care.

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Speaker 4: And if there's a lesson here, I always said this.

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Speaker 4: We had a one vote majority in Minnesota. When we

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Speaker 4: move clean energy, we move reproductive rights. We moved, We

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Speaker 4: moved a whole slew of progressive very popular including things

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Speaker 4: around guns and gun safety, very popular thing. We moved

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Speaker 4: it with a one vote majority. And people ask, well,

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Speaker 4: what do you call a one vote majority a majority?

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Speaker 4: Simple as that these guys have learned that lesson and

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Speaker 4: governors have that ability. I'm in Europe trying to foster

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Speaker 4: what I can on the trade.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: Look, if they cut our funding, it's two billion nine,

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Speaker 4: you know, out of a roughly thirty billion dollars state budget,

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Speaker 4: So in a hole that we can't fill alone. But

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Speaker 4: there are things that we can do. There are things

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Speaker 4: that we can push back on. There are things that

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Speaker 4: we can separate. Now. The irony of this is Republicans

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Speaker 4: being all about state rights until they're not about state rights.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you're still establishing ourselves. You know, we're sub

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Speaker 4: federal level of government, but we have a lot of autonomy.

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Speaker 4: Like I can be invited to the Netherlands to speak,

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Speaker 4: and I said this, Molly, that I'm a rule follower.

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Speaker 4: That used to be politics ends at water's edge means

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Speaker 4: right with the unified voice to that. I recognize that

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Speaker 4: the position right now, official position of the federal government

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Speaker 4: is that we're not going to support Ukraine. That's not

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Speaker 4: the major of Americans. And you can walk that line.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's what we need to do more of.

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Speaker 4: We need to push back. And again, I hope everybody,

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Speaker 4: and I hope Republicans know this. You are teaching us

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Speaker 4: a lot of what happens when we get back and

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Speaker 4: control these You know that we need to we need

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Speaker 4: to deliver for people because and that's their downfall in

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Speaker 4: this Where are they delivering for people other than just

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Speaker 4: angst and anger and taking it out on immigrants or whatever.

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Speaker 4: No egg price is down right, folks, that lost their jobs.

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Speaker 4: Now you've got confusion with our neighbors. So I have

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Speaker 4: to tell you a saying I always said was is

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Speaker 4: do you lead with good policy and good politics will

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Speaker 4: follow that. And the inverse of that is true, bad

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Speaker 4: policy will lead to bad politics. And I think Democrats

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Speaker 4: got caught in the wilderness that our policies are popular,

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Speaker 4: but for whatever reason, we didn't articulate it in a

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Speaker 4: way that turned to good politics.

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Speaker 8: So I have a theory of the case that I've

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Speaker 8: shared with Biden World, and they're very mad at me

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Speaker 8: that the thing they did wrong was this cautiousness, this

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Speaker 8: fearfulness about interfacing with media, social media, mainstream media. You know,

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Speaker 8: if it's scary, shut it down, if it's too popular,

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Speaker 8: like calling someone weird, shut it down. Talk to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And look, it far be it from me to

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Speaker 4: critique because I own you know, I own this, that

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Speaker 4: it was my responsibility to help get this thing one

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Speaker 4: and so I'll take my shortcomings on this. But I

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Speaker 4: do think there is a cautiousness around that. I think

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Speaker 4: that we should be more willing to speak to people

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Speaker 4: where they're at. I don't think we should be so

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Speaker 4: worried about are we putting ourselves out there and going

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Speaker 4: to be asked hard questions. We should be asked hard

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Speaker 4: questions right then we should lead and talk about the

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Speaker 4: things that make a difference in people's lives. And I

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Speaker 4: think people did not know how much better our economy

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Speaker 4: was because they weren't feeling it. I think we left

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Speaker 4: avoid that they're going to fail.

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Speaker 1: To hear more of this interview, please head to our

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Fast Politics by Mollie Jong Fast.

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Speaker 2: And a Moment Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 5: Miley Jung Fast.

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Speaker 3: Earlier in the show, we discussed that Doge is not

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Speaker 3: really about spending and that a lot of the cuts

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Speaker 3: they're claiming they're doing are not real and they're not

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Speaker 3: really adding up to the math they've said they're doing.

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Speaker 3: And now he's made an admission about the productivity email

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Speaker 3: his group sent to federal workers.

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Speaker 1: You'll be shocked to know that all of this is

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Speaker 1: a big smoke show. So Elon says that the productivity

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Speaker 1: email his group sent to federal workers he wanted to

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Speaker 1: test whether they were capable of replying to an email.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember that, like a lot of other Trump officials,

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Speaker 1: actually said not to respond to the emails. So this email,

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Speaker 1: what did you do last week? Failure reply would be

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Speaker 1: taken as a resignation. Well twenty four hours before the deadline.

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Speaker 1: Musk hinted that the emails were simply a ruse to

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Speaker 1: ensure federal employees were capable of responding to his correspondence

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Speaker 1: in the early hours of Monday morning, which when everyone

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Speaker 1: should be tweeting as opposed to sleeping must reply to

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Speaker 1: American venture capitalist Gary tan On x that he shared

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Speaker 1: a post claiming that Doge wouldn't be capable of reading

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Speaker 1: all of the federal workers' responses, calling the initiative stupid

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Speaker 1: and performance hard.

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Speaker 2: Okay again, sure.

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Speaker 1: This seems like a huge waste of everyone's time and

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Speaker 1: I feel like instead of doing this, Elon should be.

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Speaker 2: Hanging out with his many children.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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