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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let's ask Tom Kerr in that question, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots insider seven and ten with Mac Jones, ten and

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Speaker 1: seven with Cam Newton. If you ask Patriots fans, they

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Speaker 1: would happily, well, all right, they would rather see seven

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Speaker 1: Oh really, so do you think this is truly open

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Speaker 1: competition between these two? It very much truly is an

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Speaker 1: open competition, and it's getting closer by the day. If

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Speaker 1: it's not already a horse race. Well, what did you

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Speaker 1: see last night that would change somebody's opinion? Well, it's

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Speaker 1: Bill has put it out there beginning with the draft

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Speaker 1: that it's camp's job, Camp's a starter, and he kind

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Speaker 1: of reiterated that a second time, which I think was

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Speaker 1: reading off the Q cards at the beginning of camp.

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Speaker 1: But since then, the Patriots have divvied up reps throughout

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Speaker 1: the training camp practices, and then they did the same

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Speaker 1: thing yesterday. And what we saw last night is a

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Speaker 1: complete reflection. Dana, What we're seeing on the practice field.

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Speaker 1: Jones goes back, reads the defense, puts his foot in

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Speaker 1: the ground, decides where he's gonna go with the ball,

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Speaker 1: and puts it out on time inaccurately. Cam Newton, his

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Speaker 1: forte is none of those things. His forte is moving

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Speaker 1: with the ball a little bit, running a little bit,

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Speaker 1: throwing with great pace, and every fourth or fifth throw Dan,

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Speaker 1: you end up saying, oh my god, what was that?

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Speaker 1: My God? In a way, yeah exactly. And Matt Jones

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Speaker 1: is not having any of those throws where you're going,

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Speaker 1: throws in some tight windows and you say, wow, that

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Speaker 1: was really kind of good to fit it in there.

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Speaker 1: But he's not dropping your jaw either. But also, when

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Speaker 1: you're trying to plan this offense and you're going, okay,

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Speaker 1: we got a running quarterback and then we have a

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Speaker 1: pocket quarterback, it's kind of hard to say, hey, our

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Speaker 1: offense kind of can morph into whatever we need to

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Speaker 1: have it morph into. What are they built for? They

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Speaker 1: built for Mac Jones or built for Cam Newton. When

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Speaker 1: you look at I think a lot of people would

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Speaker 1: contend that they're built to run the ball and be

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Speaker 1: a bully because they have the two tight ends, and

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Speaker 1: they have like five very good running backs, and they

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Speaker 1: have an offensive line that can bang people around. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think any team is built to have a

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Speaker 1: guy who can be an impediment to successfully throwing the football.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Cam sometimes is. As you pointed out

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Speaker 1: to block, not to watch somebody run around. So Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones is going to extract more from those investments than

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Speaker 1: Cam will be able to. What did you make a

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Speaker 1: Belichick's postgame demeanor. I thought he was upbeat. I thought

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Speaker 1: he was, you know, kind of satisfied with what he saw. Uh,

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Speaker 1: to the challenge question asked them why he didn't challenge

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Speaker 1: a completion to Jacoby Myers, which was clearly a completion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just didn't feel like it. Those are the things you say.

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Speaker 1: At sixty nine. I brought up the comparison that Belichick

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Speaker 1: and Gregg Popovich are similar because they had their run.

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Speaker 1: They are great, their Hall of famers, you know, amongst

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Speaker 1: the greats of their sport. But San Antonio is not

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Speaker 1: like they're a few years away. You buy into that comparison. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not unfair. Just the interesting thing about football is

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Speaker 1: opposed to basketball. Not like I'm preaching to you any

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Speaker 1: great knowledge that you don't have, is a coach matters

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Speaker 1: more in football, and you can eliminate a lot of

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Speaker 1: a three and thirteen team, and Belichick was able to

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Speaker 1: I wonder how tough it is to get free agents

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Speaker 1: there's still an aura to Belichick that they're honored to

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Speaker 1: be in the system. Some guys aren't. Some guys play

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Speaker 1: here and they're like, this guy thinks me out of here.

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Speaker 1: But I think this is gonna be a really interesting season, Dan.

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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine this team not having double digit wins,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be a lot better than you think.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots gave Gronk's number out that is this a

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Speaker 1: big deal? It's being made into a big deal that

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Speaker 1: somehow they're supposed to retire Gronk. Jersey Well, it was

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Speaker 1: Rochet Caldwell's number Okay, they give it to gron but

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Speaker 1: it was Ben Coates's number two. You can't retire them all.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Patriots, when they were kind of

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Speaker 1: Steve Nelson's numbers and no one will ever miss what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do, go through all hundred of them. Well, now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you see a guy running around in thirty

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Speaker 1: wonder what they probably should have retired. You can't retire

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Speaker 1: them all in football, Dan two humans. Yeah, but Gronk

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Speaker 1: real story. Yeah, well that's what that was my next question.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be him, why don't you just give me

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Speaker 1: his jersey? That would have been a bold move. White

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Speaker 1: number fifty for Mac Jones in training camp. He does

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Speaker 1: that with all the draft picks. He gives some numbers

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Speaker 1: The Matt Damon fallout where Matt Damon came on the

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Speaker 1: show and said that he doesn't root for the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: He'll root for Tom Brady. What kind of repercussions were

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Speaker 1: you using your accent there? Yeah? And I don't think

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Speaker 1: what if Mark Wahlberg said it? Boy? You know what,

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Speaker 1: those guys they know where they're bread's buttered. If they

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Speaker 1: good with Tom Tommy Tawny, Great to see you. How's

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Speaker 1: morrale here at the house. Pretty good, We're all up.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a warm weekend. Well, we have a

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Speaker 1: suppressed conference with Bill. It's already done. Uh yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: good here, We're gonna play some golf. All right. Well,

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you again. Thank you, tom all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Tommy Currn The Patriots Insider. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: us on the program, Germaine, great to see you again.

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Speaker 1: What did you unearth that you didn't know about the

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Speaker 1: mallows at the Palace? Well, first of all, Dan, it's

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Speaker 1: great to see you as well. Um, you know, a

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Speaker 1: for our success. Um you know, I was. I came

427
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Speaker 1: from a smaller market, so not a ton of people

428
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: knew about me. Coobe was was kind of in that direction,

429
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: you know, for his last two years of high schools

430
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation about him going going pro. But

431
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: the success of Garnett KG was really set the standard,

432
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: right and so if you didn't meet that level of

433
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, expectations as a high school player, then all

434
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's it's criticism. And I had to

435
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Speaker 1: go through my college one on one for four year

436
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: years with Portland and that was the hardest four years

437
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Speaker 1: of my life. Larry Bird, I think was in the

438
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: front office with the Pacers. When you were there, you

439
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: got a Larry Bird's story. Nah My, really, lady was

440
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: was really he's really quiet. Um. He didn't come to

441
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: practice and take on everybody shooting. Nah. Now he came

442
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: to practice for sure. He just kind of sit down. Now.

443
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: He's really direct and about his business, very quiet, except

444
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: for when he's playing. Yeah, you know, you know it's

445
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: some people like that though, right day on the court

446
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: and it's like that different person. And then when they

447
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: step away from the court, who was like that? Who

448
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: surprised you when they got on the court and you're going,

449
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: damn man, he's hump um, believe it or not. And

450
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: people may laugh when I say this, but if you

451
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: look at Rashid Wallace right when you look at the

452
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: technicals and you look at the screaming and yelling, and

453
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: as soon as you see him put on the street

454
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: clothes super calm, always laugh And you know people think

455
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: that he's crazy, right because you know he leading the

456
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: League of Texts every year and he's he's screaming and yelling.

457
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: But as soon as he walk off the court, he's

458
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: he's pretty pretty mellow. Could you smell pot on his

459
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: breath during a game though at any point? You're man.

460
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: I remember being at a Pistons game and Rashid passed

461
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: me in the hall and he was going out to

462
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: shoot around, and it felt like it was a Bob

463
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: Marley concert that was following him. Listen again, I'm gonna

464
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: take I'm gonna take you out for a drinking. We'll

465
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Speaker 1: have that when I come to Dallas. Then uh, we'll

466
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: go out. Well, we'll have a beverage. Well, good luck

467
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Speaker 1: with this. I'm glad that you're able to have some

468
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Speaker 1: closure with this. He went through a lot, you know,

469
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: lost a lot of money. You guys lost an opportunity

470
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: I think to win a championship that year, and you know,

471
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: a lot to go through. Thank you, Jermaine, it's great

472
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: to talk to you again. Thanks having me Dan. Fox

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Speaker 1: Tony Hawk is putting on a vert contest at the

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Speaker 1: Utah States Fairgrounds on August twenty seventh and twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: You can go to the vert alert dot com for

490
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Speaker 1: more information and Tony joins us. Now, Tony, good to

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00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: see you again. You should know that we get a

492
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: Christmas card from you every year on the show, So

493
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that, but the Foundation

494
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: sends us a Christmas card and we got one of

495
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: your skateboards in here as well in the man Cave,

496
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: so thank you. Well, hey, it's my pleasure. I want

497
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: to be represented there. You know, I'm just I just

498
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: keep trying to into my way back in. If I

499
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: would have told you thirty years ago skateboarding is going

500
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: to be in the Olympics, you would have said, what, yeah, right, sure, okay.

501
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Speaker 1: Would you have wanted skateboarding an example of something not

502
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Speaker 1: to do? What's that? Would you have wanted skateboarding in

503
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 1: the Olympics back then? Um? Sure? Yeah. I was never

504
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: against it. I obviously skateboarding gave me so much as

505
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: a youth and and shaped my identity in my way

506
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Speaker 1: of looking at things. But at the same time, I

507
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: wasn't coveting it. I wasn't like it. This is our

508
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: thing and no one else can see it. I was

509
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: always wondering why it wasn't more popular, and so to

510
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: have had it in the Olympics back then would have

511
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: been a great boost, I think, And um hey, I

512
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: would have loved to join the fun too, because I

513
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: didn't know how it felt like the X Games when

514
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: they came along. It felt like that was the anti Olympics.

515
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: But did you know there were certain sports that maybe

516
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to be in mainstream? Did you did? Sure

517
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: you understand that. But I think that there's a population

518
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: skaters to feel the way absolutely, and ones that do

519
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: coveted and don't and don't want that and and did

520
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: start skating because it was their antithesis to team sports. UM.

521
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: I just never felt that way. But I do think

522
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: the X Games. What I loved about X Games is

523
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: they let us be our sort of irreverent selves, and

524
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: so sometimes the rules were pushed in terms of letting

525
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: someone go past time, or letting someone go way off

526
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Speaker 1: script and jump off the course, or do something that

527
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: wasn't in the confines of the competitive rule book, and

528
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: we knew going to the Olympics that wouldn't fly. What

529
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: did you see in Tokyo? I saw some of the

530
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: best skating. I saw a whole new generation of skaters

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Speaker 1: that are at the top of the game. And I

532
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: saw after the fact a lot more interest in skateboarding

533
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: in terms of international embracing of it. How would you

534
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: have done at fifteen, Um, I think I would have

535
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: done pretty well. I think I turned prom and I

536
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: was fourteen. That's the thing that there's a whole there's

537
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: a whole sort of misperception that all these like what

538
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: happened all these kids are young, that that's been happening forever.

539
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I turned pro and I was fourteen. I

540
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: won my first World championship when I was fifteen. Nige

541
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: Houston was considered the best street skater when he was thirteen,

542
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: So it's not a great surprise. I didn't think it

543
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: would be across the entire podium, but it just shows

544
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: that the they not only had the skills, they had

545
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: a strategy. What did you do? Like, is there something

546
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: about being young that makes you even better? I don't

547
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: know if it's being fearless, but what is it about

548
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: being fourteen or fifteen years of age and being great

549
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: at skateboarding as opposed to if you were twenty five.

550
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: I think the resilience that you can bounce back from

551
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: from big falls maybe a little easier. And in terms

552
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: of the park event, which is more of the ball

553
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: transition skating that it's it's the size of that is

554
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: not the usual size, Like what I skate a vert

555
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: vert ramp is about thirteen to fourteen feet tall. Those

556
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: ramps are closer to ten and if your size is

557
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: suitable for that, you can actually utilize it better. And

558
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: so the younger kids have a slight advantage in terms

559
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: of how they can go much higher because they can

560
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: ball up and get up there. If this was a

561
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: game of operation where we got to see your body,

562
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: how many broken bones would we we have? And that

563
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: that game of operated? Do we have a hot spot

564
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: on your body that uh a little bit more surgery? Um, well,

565
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: knees with surgeries, but not nothing broken on my knees. Luckily,

566
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I broke my elbow, I broke my pelvis um and

567
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: dislocated my fingers um last year. That's why these are

568
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: so fat. Okay, but at what point do you not

569
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: get on that skate You're you're gonna be fifty three

570
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: or you turn fifty three. I think, okay, so at

571
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: what point do you go? I don't know if I

572
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: can get on the skateboard here. I think I don't

573
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: know if I'll ever reach that point. I may reach

574
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Speaker 1: a point where I don't want to do it in public.

575
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: So there's probably a moment where I think, you know what,

576
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: maybe today's not the day to go show off. Well,

577
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: I was wondering how old is too old to get

578
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: on a skateboard? But you're saying as long as nobody

579
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: sees it, then I can get on at the rest

580
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: of my life. If an elderly man steps on a skateboard.

581
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: There's no one around the sea. It doesn't actually happen.

582
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Did you attend high school? Yes, yeah, like a way

583
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: through Oh you did, yeah, but you're to public school. Yeah,

584
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: but here in San Diego. It was a little tricky

585
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: in my junior senior year because I was requested or

586
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: required to travel for my job as a skater, and

587
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: I tried to make up my work. My grade's definitely

588
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: suffered in my senior year. What do you make in

589
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: at age fourteen? When you turn pro? You're gunning for

590
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars first place prize money in the professional competition.

591
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: That was it? That was it? Okay? But how who

592
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: decides or how do you declare I'm going pro? You

593
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: just that means you can qualify for the prize money? Yes, well,

594
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I had reached the top of the amateur rankings, and

595
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: so at the next event, I was filling out the

596
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: entry farm for the event, and there was one box

597
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: that said amateur and there was one box that said pro,

598
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: and so I took the pro box and that was it.

599
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: There were there were no you know, birds were not singing.

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00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: There was not a big celebration. Um, it was more like, well,

601
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: now you're in the big leagues and you're gonna be

602
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: skidding against guys that are four to five years older

603
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: than you. Who gave you the nickname birdman? Um? Someone

604
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: on ESPN, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably guess it was

605
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: Selema Masekela. Okay, and you're okay with Birdman. I mean,

606
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: I've just come to embrace it. It's okay. I mean

607
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: there could be much worse. Hey, when I was a kid,

608
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Tony Hawk ryn with Bony Cox, so um, birdman is

609
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: much more flattering. That's a tough childhood tone. Was that bullying?

610
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: I guess just they just called it being picked on? Yeah,

611
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: but you people, I love that they go up to

612
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: you and they go you look like Tony Hawk And

613
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: every day your response is, um, I've heard that. My

614
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: last response is I've heard that quite a bit. But

615
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: you're the first today. And also who else are you're

616
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: mistaken for? Um? As of lately? I got I got

617
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong and then I got Tom Brady. Believe it

618
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: or not, I mean, hey, whoa ever? It takes whoa um.

619
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Speaker 1: But I think it's just more that it was it

620
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: was in their mind. It was like, Oh, that's an

621
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Speaker 1: athlete t t to Tony Tom tom Brady, that's it,

622
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I don't think it was about the looks.

623
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: If you had to get out of the house with

624
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: one piece of memorabilia, what would you take? Oh? Wow,

625
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: um that is that? That was a difficult question. Um.

626
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I do have the skateboard that I did the first

627
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: nine hundred on from X Games nineteen ninety nine, and

628
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna go Rebellia, it's probably that one. Where

629
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: is that right now? It is actually at my office

630
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: where my ramp is. But um, let's just say, if

631
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: there's a fire at the office, that's what I'm taking.

632
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Tell me about what's going to go on in Utah

633
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: the Utah State Fairgrounds there. Well, like I said, the

634
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: halfpipe vert discipline is something that was not in the Olympics,

635
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: but I think it's something that still is thriving. And

636
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: it's a different style of skating because it's more aerial base,

637
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 1: so it's more of the of the big jump stuff

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Speaker 1: you solid the X Games, and so I'm, you know,

639
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: on the heels of the Olympic success, I'm trying to

640
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: bring back the whole vert discipline and We're taking my

641
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: ramp that you've probably see me skate indoors at my office.

642
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: We're taking the whole thing to Salt Lake City and

643
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: putting it up and it's a free public event. Some

644
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: of the best vert riders. We've got a Legends skate

645
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: session on the twenty seventh with people like Steve Caballero,

646
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: Christianosy and myself, Mike Fraser and McDonald. So I'm excited.

647
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been trying to push for something

648
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: like this for the last few years. Obviously it got

649
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: shelved over the last year and a half and now

650
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: we're going for it. It's great to talk to you again, Tony.

651
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time and have fun in Utah. Thank you, yeah. Thanks.

652
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: So be sure to catch the live edition of The

653
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am

654
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app

655
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams. Last night in Iowa, Kevin Costner was

656
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: there coming out from the corn. You had the Yankees,

657
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: you had the White Sox. It was great TV. And

658
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: Paulie goes we need to get we need to get

659
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: Frank Whaley on My Buddy. I go all right. Well,

660
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: he of course played the young Archie Moonlight Graham and

661
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams. Of course he was in pulp fiction

662
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: as well. We've been on the show a couple of times.

663
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: Good to have you back, Frank. When people bring up

664
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams, what did they ask? Uh? Can I

665
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: spare a few dollars? Oh my family? Yeah? Um? Should

666
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: you get paid for that role? Um? It was? It

667
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: was many many years ago. Probably, I was probably and

668
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: I was young. I was probably paid the Screen Actors

669
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: Guild minimum weekly, which in those days was a few

670
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. But I was happy. I was happy to

671
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: have the gig. What were you told in the audition? Uh?

672
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: I I remember not. They didn't give me the script.

673
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: They just had this, uh some pages from the scenes

674
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: that I was in. So I had to kind of deduce,

675
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, myself. But they just told me to you know,

676
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: to be to keep it natural, as I recall, and uh,

677
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to remember. That was many, many

678
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: years ago, but I was a lot of actors, um

679
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: in my age range at that time wanted that role

680
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: because it was you know, it was talked about. You know.

681
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: What did you think though, when you read the script.

682
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I mentioned it yesterday. When you look at

683
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: that and you go, okay, um, hey, this is the

684
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: premise for the script, and you're going really like they're

685
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: going to make a movie out of that. I mean,

686
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: Costner said it's the most dangerous movie you ever made,

687
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: because he didn't know if people were going to laugh

688
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: at it and spit it back out at him. What

689
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: did you think when you you heard the premise for it?

690
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: I felt the same. It was it was a different

691
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: obviously a different kind of sports film that than you know,

692
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: we're used to, although I guess The Natural had that

693
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: sort of same same kind of feel to it. But yeah,

694
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: what I wasn't sure what to make of it at all.

695
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Um And and you know, I felt the same way.

696
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: It was hard to It was hard to really know

697
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: how it was going to come out, although it was

698
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: a really good script and obviously had a great cast,

699
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: so there was it was there was some high hopes

700
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: for it from my perspective. When do you meet const

701
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: We all got together before we started filming in California

702
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: for for a read through, and it was it was

703
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: it was every everybody in this inn, in this sort

704
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: of loft on Hollywood Boulevard assembled around this table, and

705
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I was a nervous wreck. Burt Lancaster was there, James

706
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Old Jones, and I couldn't believe what I was. I mean,

707
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: I not not long before I was. I was selling

708
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: like various bodily fluids and tubsocks on the streets of Manhattan.

709
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: And then I am in this room and there's Burt Lancaster,

710
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: and they put me across from Burt Lancaster at the table,

711
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: and and Cosner was there, and and everybody's really nice,

712
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: in Phil Robinson and and the the part you know,

713
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: leading up to my first line, which is when I

714
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: introduced them myself to them, and when they picked me

715
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: up on the side of the road, and and I

716
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: was really nervous because I knew my my time to

717
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: speak was coming up. And I said, I said, the

718
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: line is something like I'm Archie Graham and Burl. After

719
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: I said the line, Burt Lancaster stopped the reading said

720
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: hold hold on, hold on, hold on, oh boy, and

721
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: he said that's the wrong that's the wrong pronunciation. And

722
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: I was mortified, um that, and he he explained that

723
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: it was Graham. It's just sort of three syllables instead

724
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: of Graham, which is one the way I was saying

725
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: my up to state of New York swang and he corrected.

726
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: He worked with me like three times on saying the line.

727
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: I just could I wasn't getting it because I was

728
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: so nervous, and finally said, all right, A right, I

729
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: just keep going. And then I sat there the rest

730
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: said the you know, the reading, mortified, feeling like an idiot.

731
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: You didn't think you were going to lose the job,

732
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: did you. Of course, you always feel like you're gonna

733
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: lose the job no matter what. And and but you

734
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: know that whole I think that was the beginning of

735
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: everybody sort of being annoyed with me. Um. I still

736
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: to this day, I believe Kevin Costner just says it

737
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: really annoyed. He was annoyed with me from the very beginning.

738
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: Why because I was a wise ass and and uh,

739
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah not what not was you still are? Yes, yes, yes,

740
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: I began very early. And uh, and I just think

741
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: there was a there was a couple of incidents on

742
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: the set where you know, I crashed a golf cart

743
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: into the side of a camera truck. There was all

744
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: these golf carts around, and you know, I had a

745
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: lot of time, and I was always speeding around into

746
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: golf carts and I slammed into the side of this

747
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: camera truck and and I remember that was one of

748
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: the earliest moments where Costner was like, he like it

749
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: was this if it was his camera truck. He was

750
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: so he was really annoyed with me, And I was like,

751
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: what's you They don't they haven't shown should they have insurance?

752
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: Which was the wrong approach, but um, I mean that

753
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: was sort of my you know, I was this kid

754
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: running around. Yeah, he's Frank Whaley, the actor, film director, screenwriter,

755
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: and uh he of course was in h Field of Dreams.

756
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: He was Archie Moonlight Graham, the younger version of Archie

757
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: Moonlight AM Graham am apparently uh pulp fiction The Doors JFK.

758
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: You've you worked with Brando Costner, Samuel Travolta, Val Kilmer,

759
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, who was the most intimidating actor out of

760
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: that group. Uh, probably Samuel just because of that the

761
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: context of that scene. It was pretty scary. He was.

762
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: He was so good. I mean, he's he's a sweet,

763
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: wonderful man. But in that in that in that scene.

764
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: Filming that scene, he was pretty scary. So let me

765
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: let me let me play a portion of the of

766
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: that scene to let people revisit that that anger that

767
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: was there. Check out the big brain bread. You're a

768
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: smart mum. That's right. How many takes in that Uh,

769
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: let's see, many, many, many many takes. Um Tarantino as

770
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: a you know, as a perfectionist, and there was, there was,

771
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: There was a long couple of days. And I remember

772
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: the gun, the gun shots which are these like electrical

773
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: they calmed squids, these electrical charges they put all over you.

774
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: We did that a number of times. I ended up

775
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: with all these bruises on my on my chest, and um,

776
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: there was some question about how close they held the

777
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: gun to my you know, and to the guns to

778
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: my face, Samuel's gun to my face, because there's you know,

779
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: there's a certain you know standard to which the stuntman

780
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: will allow. And Tarantino was like, no, it's gonna be closer.

781
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be closer. So it was all pretty pretty

782
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: wild and scary but fun. But since the scene is

783
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: basically you and Samuel, do you do you talk about

784
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: the scene just you two? Oh yeah, yeah, No, between takes.

785
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: It was fine. It was just you know, it's when

786
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: somebody's that good and that and that charged and and

787
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: and impassioned in their and their work and their acting,

788
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know, you kind of you kind

789
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: of really feel it, and so you know, but but

790
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, he and Travolta we you know, well,

791
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, we laughed and drank coffee and talked. Did

792
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: you understand how big that scene was going to be

793
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: in the moment now? And people people ask, you know,

794
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: the same with Field of Dreams. I mean, it's hard

795
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: to know that. I mean, you kind of feel the

796
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: sense that there's something, you know, kind of big going

797
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: on um and you know, there's a there's a sense

798
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: of that in the air, but it's hard to predict,

799
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: you know. I was. I was away in both. In

800
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: both instances, I was away working on something else when

801
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: those films were released, and and I got kind of peripherally,

802
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, notified of you know, like, this is great,

803
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: this is great. Have you seen it? You know? And

804
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: I was I was when Pulp Fiction was released. I

805
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: was actually in Europe and I came back. I was

806
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: living in New York City at the time I suddenly

807
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: was recognized on the subway, people were like, you know,

808
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: looking at me and talking about me, which which was

809
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: frightening for me. Did they call you Brad? There was, Yeah,

810
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: they were, they were they were saying, they were quoting

811
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: the film, and and just kind of people in New

812
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: York they kind of you know, just kind of look

813
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: at you, and which is a little bit you know

814
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: for me at the time was was frightening and and

815
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: odd because it hadn't happened up to that point. And

816
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: so but there was quite a bit of that after

817
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: that film was released. I mean, it's quite a resume

818
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: that you have here with pulp fiction Field of Dreams.

819
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: Jfk Uh. You were in the the Door, you were

820
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: Robbie Krieger in the in the Doors right the Freshman

821
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, with with Brando born in the

822
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: fourth year July, with Tom Cruise. These are these are

823
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: these are all high end movies. There do you still

824
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: get you get residual checks from all of these, Yeah,

825
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: but they're only at this point they're like six cents, yeah,

826
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, three three dollars and eighty four cents or

827
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I I will often like you know,

828
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: get checks from like films like Little Monsters that I

829
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: did for like like minus three cents. I owe them.

830
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: It costs you. Yeah, I have to pay, you have

831
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: to send you So my wife was like, okay, we

832
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: all we all seventeen dollars or Rocky end. Did you

833
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: keep anything from the set of any of these movies? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

834
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: Field of Dreams I have. I have a whole bunch

835
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: of cool stuff, like, um it was the film was

836
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: really called Shoeless Joe. Actually have a Shoeless Joe cast

837
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: and crew t shirt. Um. Uh, like these old Field

838
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: of Dreams hats that I think they gave out, like stuff.

839
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: You know. I have a storage room that I didn't

840
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: visit for a long time, and I went over there

841
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: and open the box. I was all this really cool stuff.

842
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: Um do you think about jackets at the end of

843
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: these films like Castacruit Jackers. They stopped doing that now.

844
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: And I have like like a whole bunch from that.

845
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: Um like a bunch of a lot of doors stuff

846
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I'm I always I tell my

847
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: kids that it's there. When after I'm gone, you can,

848
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Speaker 1: you know, have a have a yard sale. That's what. Yeah,

849
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: that's what it's for. I was wondering if Val Kilmer

850
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: stayed in character when he was Jim Morrison in The

851
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: Doors in between takes. Did he stay in care He

852
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: strikes me as he was staying in character. Yeah. He everybody,

853
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was instructed to call him Jim. Um.

854
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: I defied that rule, and and he wore the same

855
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: leather pants I think for the entire the entire production.

856
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, he was. He was very much that

857
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, he's very much cut from that mold of

858
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: the method. Uh. And you know, stays in character and uh,

859
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: which is you know what is what we love about him.

860
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: But also you know, you see that documentary that he

861
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: has out now, which is fascinating. And and you became

862
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: really good friends with Val. Yeah, we became really good friends.

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00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: We became really really tight on the set of The Doors. Um,

864
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: we're you know, it's it's it's it was kind of

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00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: a thing where we're sort of opposites, and but we were,

866
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, very close, and I loved him. He he

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00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: played uh in the first film that I wrote and directed,

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00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: Joe the King. Um. He played a character which is

869
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: loosely based on my father and so we became even

870
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: even more close on that and he uh in that film,

871
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: I think he gives one of his best performances. And

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00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: Joe the King, and but he's great in the doors

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00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: and um, I love val Um and and you know

874
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: he's he's an exceptional person and brilliant actor. And yeah,

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00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: that documentary is something else. Yeah, I was watching some

876
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: of it last night. Frank. It's great to catch up

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00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: with you again, hope the family as well. And thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us sharing some memories. Thanks for having me