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Speaker 2: Hey Ppornation, Welcome to the latest edition of the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Vikings Podcast presented by Pepsi. We are less than two

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Speaker 2: weeks away from the start of the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft, and the speculation and anticipation is swirling as

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Speaker 2: the Vikings wagh all of their options heading into draft

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Speaker 2: might Joining us today is our friend from Vikings Radio Network,

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Speaker 2: former Vikings linebacker Benlieber, who is coming with the hot

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Speaker 2: takes on today's show. Sit back in Sutherland as we

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Speaker 2: explore the future of the Purple and Gold in this

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Speaker 2: week's NFL Draft edition of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. Yo Yo,

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Speaker 2: What is going on? Welcome to episode number two hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixty six. My name is Gabe Henderson. We have

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Speaker 2: a full room here inside the TCO Radio studio today.

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Speaker 2: To my left we got our producer Eric Davison. To

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Speaker 2: his left is Vikings dot Com statum Everett. To her

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Speaker 2: left is a guy we haven't talked to in a while,

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Speaker 2: mister Ben Lieber. And then to his left we have

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Speaker 2: our guy, mister J. Nelson from Vikings dot Com. What

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Speaker 2: a show we have for Vikings fans today, Ben, it

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Speaker 2: has been a while since we've talked to you. We

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Speaker 2: see you every day on Twin Cities Live, but when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the football conversations, I believe that's something

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Speaker 3: I miss you guys too. I mean, what the heck

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Speaker 3: is the deal here? I mean, the football season's over.

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Speaker 3: I consider you guys friends, and then nobody calls you

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Speaker 3: and we write not even a texture an email. Nothing.

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Speaker 3: I hear you guys talking about the draft all the

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Speaker 3: I used to work for the team. You know where.

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Speaker 2: You're the busiest man in the state of Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Now, see that's a misnomer.

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Speaker 4: Now you've got a full time job, You're right, hard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Twin Seas life thing is is a full

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I took something from you. I kind

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Speaker 2: I remember that you would come up with a big

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Speaker 3: Well, you know that that whole practice of doing you know,

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Speaker 1: So McCarthy, you trade, you have to trade up forward

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Speaker 3: So the Cowboys at some point in time are going

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Speaker 2: To that point, I know the how you you know, first, second, third, fourth.

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Speaker 2: I know that's all subjective, but do you risk the

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Speaker 3: I think you do, Okay, I think you do.

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Speaker 1: It's a different class, right, Like you don't normally see

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's true. I will give you that.

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Speaker 1: But then you can just set at eleven and get

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of I mean, I still haven't decided

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, and I think it's it is. It

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Speaker 3: a it is kind of a hardy like we're gonna

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 3: that's a good fit. Because of what Cliff Kingsbury does

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, think about all the weapons that we have,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure you guys are you know, really

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: When I heard that report, was that a legit report

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Speaker 3: I think that there's a team that I think is

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Speaker 3: They have pick number ten. Nobody's talking about them, sure

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Speaker 2: Time is a flat circle.

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Speaker 2: Like that is the same exact scenario Aaron Rodgers in

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Speaker 2: Done'll it'll be interesting for a short team.

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Speaker 4: He's running for office.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past him, but I think that

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Speaker 3: Think at twenty three. I mean again, all this depends

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Speaker 3: available cornerback. And as much as everybody's gonna be like

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00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 3: another corner in the first round, but the thing is

437
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 3: that we need them, and that's the reality. You can

438
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 3: scoff at it and groan about it, but that the

439
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 3: reality is the reality. And we still need not only

440
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 3: just a starting cornerback, but we need we need depth.

441
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 3: And I think if we stay at twenty three, we

442
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 3: get any one of those deals, depending on how the

443
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 3: draft falls. I would love to pick up another pick

444
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 3: in the second round, or a pick in the second round.

445
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 3: So if we could move back just a few spots

446
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 3: and pick up a second rounder, which I think will

447
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 3: be hard to do with twenty three. But if there's

448
00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 3: a way that you can acquire another pick in the

449
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 3: top one, I think you do. Yeah.

450
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: So I guess my follow up to that is if

451
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: you are picking QB at eleven, like, if Pennix is there,

452
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: that's the way you think you want to go because

453
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for you at the beginning. Is

454
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: that too high for someone like him? And is it

455
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 1: worth the way, knowing who's behind you to be like, Okay,

456
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit on this and not go him because

457
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 1: that might be a reach for him.

458
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 3: You know. I think that, yes, I think that the

459
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 3: Vikings would probably get hammered a little bit in hindsight

460
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: if they take a guy like Pennix at eleven and

461
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: none of their trade deals work out, and that's the

462
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: best available guy on their board. I think you just

463
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, you just you stop flirting with the

464
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: what ifs and you just do it. And you know,

465
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 3: taking a page from what the Detroit Lions did. You

466
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 3: if you feel like you've got a guy that's a

467
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: good cultural fit, is a good X's and o's fit,

468
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: be damned with the experts say they don't know what's

469
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: going on. They don't know what you're trying to build.

470
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes is laughing at every right, and.

471
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 3: He's like, look, the general public is not making our selections.

472
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 3: This is not a popularity contest. I don't have to

473
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 3: be well liked. I just have to make the right

474
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: picks based on all the research that we did. And

475
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: if they trust, if they truly trust, that Pennix is

476
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: the guy, and he's more slotted in the twenties as

477
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: a first rounder, and you take them eleven, who cares

478
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: to me?

479
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 5: If you look at those next five teams right behind us,

480
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 5: it's the Broncos, the Raiders, the Saints, the Colts, and

481
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: the Seahawks. All of them could utilize a QB. So like,

482
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 5: if you see that eleven mark there and you're waffling

483
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 5: at all, I mean, good lord, you got to make

484
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 5: a decision then, because everybody else, somebody behind you is

485
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 5: going to make that.

486
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's the thing.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean.

488
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: I think it's debatable whether the Colts would take one

489
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: based off of Richardson from last year just coming off

490
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: an injury. Sounds like he was the real deal until

491
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: he got hurt. But you're right, I mean, after us,

492
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: it's it is. The Broncos, Raiders, Saints could go with one.

493
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 3: Colts we talked about, Seahawks could go for one again,

494
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 3: the Rams at nineteen could go for one, and who

495
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 3: knows what the Steelers are doing at this point in time.

496
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: If the Steelers are like, hey, we're just gonna get

497
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna get these two veterans, they're gonna duke it out,

498
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 3: and by the way, we're gonna draft another guy and

499
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: we're gonna have you guys all just kind of figure

500
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: this thing out their potential as well, and then obviously

501
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: us at twenty three, before we get to the Cowboys,

502
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 3: like I talked about earlier, I wouldn't sleep They're kind

503
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: of a wild card to me as well.

504
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: The Cowboys to me are the biggest wild card. But

505
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: at the same time, I just keep thinking about the

506
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and a twenty twenty two NFL draft

507
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: when everyone had Derek Stingley mocked to us right at fourteen,

508
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna get him, and then he went third overall.

509
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: So that's why I don't get my hopes up, yeah,

510
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: when it comes to things like this, But to your point,

511
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: I do believe best case scenario, if you can get

512
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: your guy at eleven, if your guy falls to you

513
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: at eleven, to trade that twenty third overall pick back

514
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: to get some additional picks because we don't have a

515
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: Day two pick right now. And now, just for an example, right,

516
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: I've told the story a few times. Twenty nineteen, I

517
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: was in Washington. Kevin O'Connell was the offensive coordinator there,

518
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: and we had the fifteenth overall pick, and then we

519
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: didn't have we had a second and a third. Long

520
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: story short, we drafted Dwayne Haskins fifteen overall, and then

521
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 2: we traded back up into the first round to get

522
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: Monte's sweat. So Kevin O'Connell is known for making some

523
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: last minute moves that ultimately fit this roster. Quays came

524
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: from San Francisco, then the Cleveland Brown So there is

525
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: a marriage here that I believe fits this Vikings team.

526
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: Is just which route are they going to go?

527
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 5: Everyone's been talking offense, offense, offense, offense, defensively, we talked

528
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 5: about the fact that we have needs that we need

529
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 5: to find in there. I just went through I sent

530
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 5: a link around for like Pro Football Focus just did

531
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 5: like their top one fifty draft prospects. But for them,

532
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 5: they have twenty two defensive players and twenty eight offensive

533
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 5: players in their top fifty, and so just doing a

534
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 5: quick breakdown, they have nine corners, seven edges, three d line,

535
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 5: two safeties, and one linebacker in their top fifty defensively

536
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 5: corner and edge list of having kind of nine type

537
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 5: top prospects and seven edge prospects. To me, I'm kind

538
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 5: of looking at it going that potentially, are those are

539
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 5: potential needs that we have towards that twenty three pick.

540
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 5: Is there anyone for you that would jump out as

541
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: far as who if they're available, again, run to the

542
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 5: podium and throw in in the card in order to

543
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 5: get whatever defensive top prospect would be the biggest impact

544
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 5: player for the Vikings at eleven, at well twenty three.

545
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: Twenty three, Oh, I know. I mean, there's a lot

546
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: that can shake out, but if Lat two is there

547
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: from UCLA, then then I think that that makes the

548
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 3: most sense. And I've said all along my own personal

549
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: take is when you're building a defense, you better build

550
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: it from the inside out. And I know that we

551
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: need corners, and I know that corners can help, but

552
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer in rush helps out the coverage

553
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: more than the coverage helps out the rush. So we

554
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: need it's a it's an area that we need. I

555
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: know that we had a good free agency, but I

556
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: think it's it is kind of like others. So it's

557
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: kind of like defensive backfield. I think you can never

558
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 3: have too many guys up front, and if they if

559
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: you feel like a guy that's six foot five, almost

560
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty pounds, has quick twitch, has a

561
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: relentless motor, if you feel like, look, he may not

562
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: be he may not fit this particular position, but we're

563
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: going to find a place for him. Then you go

564
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: after a guy like that and you're so happy that

565
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 3: you get him at twenty three.

566
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: I've been told by numerous people that Leatu Latsu is

567
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: the Aaron Donald of this draft. As far as the

568
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: edge rushers, he is the most prolific pass rusher in

569
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: this draft. And when you turn on the film, that

570
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: is the first thing that you see when you look

571
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: at some of the defensive backs per se because granted,

572
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: and we know this, Brian flor Eschime thrives on defensive

573
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: backs that can play. Manda, Man, are there any guys

574
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: that stand out to.

575
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: You on the on the defensive backfield? You know, not

576
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 3: not a ton. I mean you are looking. You're looking

577
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: for true, true bump and run guys. I think you're

578
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 3: looking for that physicality Arnold from Alabama. I mean, if

579
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: he's there, then I think that you can definitely go

580
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: after him. I think Quinnon Mitchell is still to me

581
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 3: a little bit of a wild card. I know that

582
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: everybody's talking about how he was the darling of the

583
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl and all this other stuff, and he tests

584
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: out this and that I do I do have I

585
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: do have an issue with playing at a mid level

586
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: Division one school going against mid level Division one wide

587
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 3: receiver talent. How that really translates into NFL wide receivers.

588
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: A lot of people like him, A lot of people

589
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: think that he's the number one, but I think Arnold

590
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: probably gives you, gives you everything you're looking for. And

591
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: then in was it Cooper de john yep as I

592
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: say last his last name. He has just like fun

593
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: freakish athletic ability that I would just like to see translate,

594
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: uh with the Vikings and look, we would everybody would

595
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: have a lot of fun with the fact that what

596
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: he's he's one first in a long time to play

597
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: that position and played at a high level.

598
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, we've talked a lot about the draft. One thing

599
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: we probably should have started off talking about this, but

600
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: it wasn't a hot topic. But Vikings free agency. I

601
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: mean there's over a dozen guys signed to this Vikings

602
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: team in the past month. Have you had time to

603
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: gather your thoughts on what the type of player, what

604
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: type of player the Vikings are looking for based off

605
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: of the selections that they have or I guess the

606
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: acquisitions that they've signed this this offseason.

607
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: Well, I like the fact that they recognized, like I

608
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: was saying five minutes ago about about working from inside out,

609
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: they know that they need pass rush, they know that

610
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 3: they need defensive defensive line help, and obviously, you know,

611
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: losing losing our superstar he Man and kind of making

612
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: a swap with Houston, we know that we're going to

613
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: have to address that position. And I think we all

614
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: understand we weren't going to bring him back. I like

615
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: the idea that we're looking at this from a team approach.

616
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: We're not looking to say that we have to have

617
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: one one rock star edge rusher and then everybody else

618
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: can just be secondary players. To me, it's like, no,

619
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: we got we got kind of a one A one B.

620
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna marry that up with you know,

621
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: one of the best blitzing safety or blitzing linebackers in

622
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: the league, and and he's gonna have a great year

623
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: in year two. I still think that we again need

624
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: to address a pass rushing three technique, and I think

625
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: that the whole thing is is is complimented. But I

626
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: just I can see I think sometimes in free agency

627
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: we don't see the plan. And I think with the

628
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: Vikings this offseason, they saw a plan and we're seeing

629
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: it as fans like, Okay, I see what they're doing. Here.

630
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: I absolutely see what they're doing here. I can jump

631
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: on this plan. I like it. It's it's not scattershot.

632
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: It's like, not like what are they doing here, It's like, no,

633
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: I get it. And they they seem like Flores type

634
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: of guys. And that's the other thing that seems to

635
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: me a little more trans parent. Again, I don't know

636
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: if it's one hundred percent transparent, but we talk about

637
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: the they talk about the collaboration and the front office

638
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: working with the coaches and YadA YadA, And I think

639
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: that when you see some of these guys that they

640
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: pull in from from free agency, it's like, well, those

641
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: aren't those actually makes sense to what we're doing on defense.

642
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: So clearly there's been dialogue and deep dialogue about who

643
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: the defensive staff likes in free agency, and then Quasi

644
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: and his staff are going to make the numbers work

645
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: and try to go after these guys. So I think

646
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: we're seeing that collaboration take effect. Yeah.

647
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 5: I think more than anything when it comes to that though,

648
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 5: is the idea of you have to have a defensive

649
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 5: coordinator who knows what he wants, right, and so looking

650
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 5: at the fact that basically you lost both of your

651
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 5: starting edge blitzers and outside linebackers. I think there was

652
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 5: kind of a need on their end to say, you know,

653
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 5: we have to address this. And knowing that he knew

654
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 5: what was in the cupboard there in Miami, you know

655
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 5: you saw him going and for lack of a better term,

656
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 5: poach what he wanted out of there and be able

657
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 5: to bring him in. I think having things like NFLPA

658
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 5: serve saying how great this place is and everything too,

659
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: that helps.

660
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're trying to recruit.

661
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 5: Guys versus no offense the old Winter Park, when guys

662
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 5: would walk in and say I had a better high

663
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: school than this place sometimes. But I think for me

664
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: when I was watching free agency that you're seeing some

665
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 5: of those that get plugged in, but then also knowing

666
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: that you still have you know, nine draft picks at

667
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 5: this point. I believe that idea of being able to

668
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 5: go the flexibility of you might liquidate a bunch of

669
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 5: those assets on the front end to go get your

670
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 5: offensive player. But then after that, how heavy do you

671
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 5: think they need to be defensively when they're making these

672
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: kind of picks, because not only do you have unsigned

673
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 5: free agents and everybody else that you're going to try

674
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: to court how much of that do you think on

675
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 5: the back end with those other seven picks that they

676
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 5: might just have to say, you know, we got to

677
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 5: bet a giant chunk of the farm here on defensive

678
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 5: players to help build that depth.

679
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again going back to just our secondary help,

680
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: we still got to look at corner. We're going to

681
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: still have to look at depth, a nickel, We're still

682
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: going to have to look at safety. I mean, all

683
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: three of those positions in the defense backfield. You need

684
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: to plan for the future, and you need to plan

685
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: for injury because that is something that has happened what

686
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: the last four or five years. Here, we get to

687
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: the end of the season, we're.

688
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 6: Like, who do we have? Who do we have planned

689
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 6: right now? In the secondary? Like, who's this guy? Where

690
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 6: do we get this guy on Tuesday? I know that

691
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 6: he just came off the bench and came off the streets,

692
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 6: but who is this guy? You know, getting yourself familiar

693
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 6: with defensive players late in the season is not is

694
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 6: not a good thing. So I think I think building building.

695
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: Up a stockpile, and I get that you can only

696
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: dress a certain number and the roster set. I think

697
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: we need to have a big time emphasis on guys

698
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: in the defensive backfield.

699
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Do you feel confident in what the defense can build

700
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: upon and bringing that depth in from the free agency signings?

701
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: I think so. I mean everything that Jay was saying,

702
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: I think. I think once the dust settles, I mean,

703
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: we're in it right now. We're in We're in this

704
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: free agent loll right now where there's some good players

705
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: out there. You know, Xavi and Howard is a guy

706
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: that everybody keeps talking about. Is like, well, why is

707
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: he scarting with the Vikings? It makes the most sense

708
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: and babblah like, well, because all the teams are basically

709
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: taking a collective deep breath, they're focusing on the draft,

710
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: and they're going to see what they address in the

711
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: draft before they go back to this second tier free

712
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: agent period. So that's where we are. I still expect

713
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: them to make some moves. And then once we go

714
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: through the draft and like, oh yeah, we didn't address

715
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: that cornerback spot like we needed. Let's reach out to

716
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: a guy like Xavi and Howard if he wants to

717
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: come here, and then everything that Jay was talking about,

718
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: you know, not only is he gonna be familiar with

719
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator, then he checks all the other boxes. Sorry,

720
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: we're not going to have South Florida weather here. That's

721
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: the only thing that we're not going to have kind

722
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: of this winter exactly. But we're gonna have everything else

723
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: that you're looking for from a player, from all the

724
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: creature comforts. So in an organization that's that's first class.

725
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: So hopefully all of those things do play a part

726
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: in free agency. But yeah, this team will continue to

727
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: build even after the draft.

728
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: It's definitely interesting the way that this roster has just

729
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: completely turned over in the last two or three seasons,

730
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: which you would expect because you know, the front office

731
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: wants to put their thumb on things and make get

732
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: their own their own but uh yeah, I just kind

733
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: of feel like there's a lot of just question marks

734
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I think going into this season for that unit in particular,

735
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: and then obviously the under center part's huge. Yeah yeah,

736
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like that's what I'm questioning, Like, Okay,

737
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: so who's going to run the show? And then how

738
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: is the Stefens going to play together with all these

739
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: new faces?

740
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: Right?

741
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: And the thing is if we get really every team

742
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: can get really nitpicking. I don't think there's one team

743
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 3: out there that's super comfortable with every single position across

744
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: the board. We have absolute areas of need, and then

745
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: you have to start looking you have to start looking forward,

746
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: like do we have to address right tackle at some

747
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: point in time? You know?

748
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 5: Do we?

749
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: You know, I know that we get Hawkinson on a

750
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: big deal, but why not elevate some of the play

751
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: in our depth at tight end? If this is a

752
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: type of offense we're going to be. We still need

753
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: to address running back. I know that we have Aaron Jones,

754
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: but it's like, you know, we still have to find

755
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: a guy that can that can maybe get in there

756
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: outside ty Chandler and maybe push them and compete. So

757
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: you're you're always looking for things. You're never totally satisfied.

758
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: Wide receivers another spot that we're gonna have to address

759
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: at some point in time as well, via free agency

760
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: or the draft. Again, so again, there are some immediate

761
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: holes to fill, and then there's obviously spots that we

762
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: can nitpick at and say like, okay, we it makes

763
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: sense to get a guy there, or maybe two man.

764
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: We we're going to close with this. Just understanding the

765
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: Miller Lite Draft party is two weeks away, April twenty fifth.

766
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: You've you've done that, You've been on stage every year.

767
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: That just seems to be one of the highlights of

768
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: the season. This year. The energy around that is palpable.

769
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: Everyone knows to your point that the Vikings have to

770
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: address the quarterback situation at some point. What are you

771
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: excited about heading into the draft party.

772
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: I'm excited just for the unknown, you know, I'm excited that.

773
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: You know, in the years ever since I've been doing it,

774
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: you know, we've never we've never had a top five pick,

775
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: and to be in a situation where we're gonna walk

776
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: in and it's like it's like showtime the second you

777
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: walk in, you know, you know in years past you

778
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: kind of you walk in, you're kind of geeked up,

779
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: You're ready to go.

780
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: It is.

781
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: It is a fun live event. But you know that

782
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: we've got some time to talk and like do what

783
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: we're doing right now and flush out these opinions. You

784
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: kind of settle in on opinion. You're like, Okay, well

785
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: the Vikings pick at twenty three, and we got all

786
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: this time and you know, we're making comments and just

787
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: kind of building up to like we're like narrowing down,

788
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: like we're narrowing down the available first rounders and who

789
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: we're gonna pick. And that's fun. But to walk in there,

790
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: the second I walk in there, it's gonna be like

791
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 3: game on. You know, pay attention to your phone, everybody,

792
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: because who knows what's gonna happen. What if they go

793
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: all the way up to number three and it's like

794
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: we're all talking about number four or five, and it's like,

795
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 3: what if the Patriots really are going to be sellers

796
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: and they're gonna get on that number three spot, Like

797
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: we've got to be ready to go from the jump,

798
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be awesome. And then my gosh, for

799
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: the drama of it. Can you imagine? Can you imagine though,

800
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: if like we don't we trade back to thirty two,

801
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: and like what if we trade eleven, we trade back.

802
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: From eleven, it would yes, stadium implodes.

803
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: For one for one for one nine one. Not only

804
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: it would be awesome.

805
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: I think, I know, breaking chairs over the table.

806
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: In the in the little handed dandy tripod on the

807
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: counter and just record the whole thing because it's just

808
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: gonna be blood and mayhem everywhere.

809
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 5: It's gonna be like Cloverfield movie where it's just like

810
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 5: found footage.

811
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 3: It's gonna be it would be, it would be great.

812
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: But that's I think that's the fun about this year's

813
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: draft is like anything goes, anything could happen, and and

814
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: that's that is the funny thing. The reality is like

815
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: we could very much intentionally try to move up and

816
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: it's just not enough, and somebody else leverages their complete

817
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: future to move up and we're sol and we're like,

818
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: what do we do now? I mean, you gotta have

819
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: a dance partner, right exactly? Yeah.

820
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: Well here's the other thing, Ben, am I misremembering this?

821
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: But were you behind the stage when Adrian was picked

822
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 5: at seven?

823
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: Back in seven?

824
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: Were you there?

825
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: Okay?

826
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 5: Because I was standing backstage with Greg Coleman and some

827
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 5: other people and we were watching as the drama was unfolding,

828
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 5: and the Cardinals were the team you had to get pasted,

829
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 5: and we're just like Dennis Green, he's going to take

830
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: Adrian Peterson. They're going to do that. And when they

831
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 5: took the offensive lineman, everyone just looked at each other one, Oh,

832
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 5: this is happening, this is amazing. And you heard the

833
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 5: entire draft party explode when the Cardinals made their pick

834
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: because it went pin drops silence, going like please no,

835
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 5: please no, please no. And then they made the offensive

836
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 5: line pick and the entire building exploded, going this is

837
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 5: gonna happen, And it was just that's the fun drama

838
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 5: side of this whole thing of if you all of

839
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 5: a sudden see the thing that pops up and it

840
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: says trade vikings, Yeah, and you have that time in between,

841
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 5: like the entire building is going to go nuts. So again,

842
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: the fun part about Draft Party is the unknown and

843
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: when you have these kind of potential blockbuster moves that

844
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 5: you are going to make, that is the fun anticipatory

845
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 5: part of this of this night. So yeah, for fans

846
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 5: in general, I know that, like the ticket sales for

847
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 5: that have been robust, so like tickets are getting really

848
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 5: tight on that kind of a thing. So if you

849
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 5: have any inkling at all to try to go to

850
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: Draft Party, go buy those tickets.

851
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: At this point almost sold out, almost sold out, just.

852
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: Like being it's really fun to just be like the

853
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: team that matters, right, Like people want to know what

854
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna do.

855
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: Are you gonna wear a purple cocktail dress?

856
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to be in Detroit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

857
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: Hopefully much better than the last trip I made. And

858
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: we traded back to thirty two and then draft of

859
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: the guy.

860
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: Who wasn't there wasn't there.

861
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 4: I was like, cool, I just waited three and a

862
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: half hours for this.

863
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: I'll be like all right, and I gotta take a

864
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: six am flight back to Minnesota.

865
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 5: Super fun, well as opposed to some of the drafts

866
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: were you've traded out of the first round and then just.

867
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: Like right, so yeah, So I think that's that's the

868
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: only appeal for me.

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Speaker 4: You know, I Detroit, it's a fine city.

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Speaker 1: I don't really only ever stay in Troy well, you know,

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Speaker 1: never ever been before. But I'm actually really excited about

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Speaker 1: it this year because I feel like it's for the actions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you should, We're gonna They're.

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Speaker 1: Like, it's gonna be a it's gonna be a memorable draft.

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Speaker 1: I think for all Vikings fans.

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Speaker 2: Well, after pick number two, the Vikings will be on

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Speaker 2: the clock. Whether that's picked three or pick thirty two,

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Speaker 2: we will see. But Ben appreciate your time today. This

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Speaker 2: was a pleasure having you here. Don't don't wait too

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Speaker 2: much longer to join a stranger.

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Speaker 4: Not at all. I already have plans for you. Ben,

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Speaker 4: don't worry, Okay.

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