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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast believes in your franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe not that guy.

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Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It is Around the

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Speaker 2: NFL Bonus episode. He and Alf Dan Hans is here,

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Boys, this is something that we've

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Speaker 2: been wanting to do. We were just looking for the

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Speaker 2: right window to do it. And at the quarter pole ish,

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Speaker 2: it feels like a good time to check in with

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Speaker 2: the QB Index, which is a column for NFL dot

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Speaker 2: com that has been in very good hands through the years.

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Speaker 2: In fact, on today's program, I'm the only one that

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Speaker 2: hasn't written the QB Index writing it next year, Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: over my dead body. But I've done power rankings. But

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Speaker 2: it was a Chris Westling joint rip, it was a

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, It then was a Mark Sessler joint, and

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Speaker 2: then this offseason he handed the reins to a man

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Speaker 2: we're gonna welcome in right now. He needs no introduction actually,

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Speaker 2: because you see him every Sunday night on the Flagship program.

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Speaker 2: He just got in a pump and he's a busy man.

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Speaker 2: He's getting work to depth. We're gonna talk to Eli

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Speaker 2: about that. By the way, in the newsroom.

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Speaker 3: Nick Shook.

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Speaker 2: He is the man, the myth, the writer of the

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Speaker 2: NFL QB Index.

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Speaker 4: Hi buddey, Hello, fellas, how are we doing today?

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Speaker 5: I was very damaged seck of you. Hello fellas.

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Speaker 6: I love that we got you at the quarter pole,

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Speaker 6: because that was the week when I would do the

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Speaker 6: QB Index year after year that I would officially like,

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Speaker 6: I would put it in the notes that you take

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Speaker 6: away any previous thoughts of like how good this quarterback

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Speaker 6: is and it's just about twenty twenty three alone, and

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Speaker 6: it's a lot. It's a big enough sample size that

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Speaker 6: it's like, Okay, now I don't feel so bad like

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Speaker 6: this year, for instance, totally burying Joe Burrow behind him,

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Speaker 6: nobody's you got a just evaluate it on this year

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Speaker 6: and this year it's not pretty.

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Speaker 2: A little shot below the knees, right, It shook before

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Speaker 2: you could say a word.

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Speaker 4: Now this is you're to see a ton of that

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Speaker 4: this week. I felt the same way. I look back

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Speaker 4: and I was like, you know what, Look, it's been

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Speaker 4: a month. They haven't done anything offensively with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: It's time to bury him. So I'm glad that you.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I would have even MARB. But we'll get

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Speaker 5: to that writer.

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Speaker 3: So shook.

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Speaker 2: The assignment itself, by the way, before we get into

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Speaker 2: the top ten. Yeah, with power rankings, the criticism could

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Speaker 2: be withering from outside. Dude, and quarterbacks people are very

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Speaker 2: very It's a very personal subject a quarterback for a

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Speaker 2: sports fan and their favorite team, So I would imagine

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Speaker 2: it gets pretty personal in your timeline. People don't take kindly,

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Speaker 2: like maybe Bengals fans of a guy that's a Browns

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Speaker 2: writer of the QB index burying one of the generational

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Speaker 2: players at QB.

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Speaker 3: At this stage of the season, you get a lot

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Speaker 3: of heat for this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's too bad that I don't have a better

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Speaker 4: professional picture of me actually doing my job other than

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Speaker 4: when I was with the Browns and our great photographer

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Speaker 4: there it's dark. He shout out to him, because that's

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Speaker 4: my banner foot all on my Twitter page. And I

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Speaker 4: can't tell you how many times people get to mentions

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Speaker 4: you go, look at this guy, he's a Browns fan.

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Speaker 5: You gotta change it. I got to change you.

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Speaker 7: Do you have to change?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Instead you're doing a pump and you'll get a

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Speaker 6: lot less.

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Speaker 3: Don't.

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Speaker 2: Don't because everybody wants to now pretend that they're not fans.

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Speaker 3: I like that you're a fan, not a shot at you. Mark.

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Speaker 7: I'm not pretending anything, but I would say, Shook. The

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Speaker 7: other problem you have is proud. She's also five years old.

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Speaker 5: That guy.

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Speaker 7: You got to update it when you're burying it, like

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Speaker 7: someone like.

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Speaker 3: Who me check? I think I gotta update mine as well.

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Speaker 7: It's time go ahead, Mark, I wasna say when you

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Speaker 7: have Burrow like way down there, it's like people don't

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Speaker 7: read the intro to these articles or any context around

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Speaker 7: what's happening. They just didn't think that you're out of

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Speaker 7: an outer space, dropping like an all pro level quarterback

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Speaker 7: in the middle of nowhere, and it's like it is

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Speaker 7: based on what's happened in these recent weeks my friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's a rough existence.

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Speaker 4: I considered writing an intro about Kirk Cousins a couple

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Speaker 4: hate for not including Kirk Cousins in the top ten

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Speaker 4: when he was near the top of the league. And statistically,

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Speaker 4: I've had people in my Instagram mentions or my dms

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Speaker 4: calling me ignorant, telling me, I should be fired going

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Speaker 4: to length's beyond that for my opinions on this thing.

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Speaker 4: But look, guys, most of you aren't watching every game.

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Speaker 4: You're watching your favorite teams game. I'm watched every game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of got

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Speaker 2: to bite your tongue because so many of the so

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Speaker 2: much of the criticism comes from dumb naive.

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Speaker 6: Again, but we have been watching all the games, and

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Speaker 6: we're gonna come at you with flamethrowers.

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Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this will be honest, honest criticism, but with respect

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Speaker 2: for the man that does the work, watches the game

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Speaker 2: and then compiles the list thoughtfully. Let's start with the

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Speaker 2: top ten and we'll work our way downward. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a look at it right here, Josh Allen. Yes, that

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be a surprise, because who's playing better than this

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Speaker 3: Week one, a oberration.

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Speaker 2: Here you go, Number two, Tua, number three, Pat Mahomes

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Speaker 2: even after a clunker on Sunday night, Lamar Jackson four,

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Speaker 2: and look at that.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? Why don't we start there?

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Speaker 2: Jared Goff and Matt Stafford back to back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three in the QB Index. Mark, I'd be curious

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Speaker 2: your thoughts about this because you were writing this when

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Speaker 2: GoF had kind of his reinvention with the Lions. GoF

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Speaker 2: is an easy guy to put in the top ten

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Speaker 2: because who's been more consistent than him this year?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think Goff last year when he

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Speaker 7: different version than you had to like separate everything you

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Speaker 7: kind of think about Jared Goff into what you're actually seeing,

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Speaker 7: you're gonna get flamed no matter what you do with

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Speaker 7: the Jared Goff, someone's gonna dis disagree with these Nick.

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Speaker 4: I think so much of this is, at least the

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Speaker 4: oddly enough, how the first month usually looks until you

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Speaker 4: get to this point. But Jared Goff has consistently outperformed

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Speaker 4: his reputation. I mean, even going back to Week one,

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Speaker 4: I was surprised to see so many people I mentioned

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Speaker 4: Goff played. He didn't lose them the game. In fact,

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Speaker 4: he put them in multiple positions to win the game.

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Speaker 4: That's what he's done for the majority of this year.

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Speaker 4: The only big mistake he made was turning the ball

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Speaker 4: over in that overtime loss to the Seahawks. Otherwise he's

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Speaker 4: operating this offense. He's probably playing some of the best

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Speaker 4: football of his career. Yeah, it's not spectacular Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: football games because of it. So I feel pretty good

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Speaker 6: It's clean. I think he's played better this year. Unbalanced

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Speaker 6: because I think he's been more consistent to your point

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Speaker 6: than he did a year ago. But I would have

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Speaker 6: him in Stafford still quite separate when I looked at

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Speaker 6: the pack, and now now you've you've bumped him up

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Speaker 6: to nine. He's someone and I know you're not doing

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Speaker 6: enough stats because his stats aren't great, like touchdown interception.

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Speaker 6: It's why I never like passer rating. Touchdown interceptions just

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Speaker 6: not great. I mean, it's it's a it's a bullet

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Speaker 6: point to pay attention to. But if you're watching Stafford

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Speaker 6: week after week as you are, I'm just so impressed

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Speaker 6: hard in this exercise to divorce him from the situation.

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Speaker 6: But I think in just terms of high level quarterbacking

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Speaker 6: what he's doing, he's a top five quarterback to me

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Speaker 6: so far this year, even before last week. I know

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Speaker 6: he had the okay, too bad Bengals game, but in

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Speaker 6: the way he's played, and in that week he is

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Speaker 6: a little bit higher.

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Speaker 5: But I'm glad. You'm glad you got him into the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the funny thing, greg Is. I don't even

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Speaker 4: that bad Week three game, he'd be up there right now.

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Speaker 4: And you know it's funny because you say you try

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Speaker 4: to divorce them from the situation, but you have to

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Speaker 4: consider the situation which he's operating right and look at

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Speaker 4: his receivers. It's pukinnakua and it's two two at well,

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Speaker 4: And most importantly, he's healthy. He looks really good. He

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Speaker 4: looks like old Matt Stafford. He's pushing them to victories

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Speaker 6: Just better, maybe in some ways better Like I I

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Speaker 6: think he's like kind of taken the things he's learned

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Speaker 6: over the years, and physically he's still great right now.

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Speaker 5: At least we'll see about the hit.

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Speaker 6: But uh, like, I think he's playing as well as

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Speaker 6: he did in the twenty twenty one playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Put it that way, Mark throwout in this top ten.

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Speaker 2: Someone whose placement surprises you, well, you've mentioned the Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 7: I can I actually give you credit for brock party

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Speaker 7: because I feel like other people would take brock Party

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Speaker 7: and just because of the offense that he's in the

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Speaker 7: environment like that, we all get it. It may inflate

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Speaker 7: the Jimmy Garoppolos of the world and other quarterbacks like

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Speaker 7: Rock Purty. I don't know what else he needs to do.

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Speaker 7: He may not be as physically impressive as the person

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Speaker 7: above him, justin Herbert, But what more at this level

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Speaker 7: do you need to do to produce? He was twenty

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Speaker 7: for twenty one a week ago. He distributes the ball

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Speaker 7: all over the place like he's I think to be

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Speaker 7: a seventh round pick and to be what he's done

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Speaker 7: since week fourteen last year. This is like a pristine

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Speaker 7: performance by a quarterback. No one expected it at number seven.

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Speaker 7: I think other people just sort of drop him out

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Speaker 7: of the top ten because of the I guess certain

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Speaker 7: things that you just assume coming in, like brock Party

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Speaker 7: deserves seven.

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Speaker 2: And to kind of dovetail off that show. It kind

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Speaker 2: of is in terms of what you do. It's interesting

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Speaker 5: No, no, and I'm not so that's why.

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Speaker 6: And I think you can look at Purty and I

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Speaker 5: I would even throw Cousins. I would actually throw Gino

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Speaker 6: This is where it gets murky and stroud, and you think,

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Speaker 2: We got twelve minutes into the show until Greg sai,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you gotta make the list.

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Speaker 6: Run though I thought, like that's the thing. I to me,

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Speaker 2: You said one big I just mean from numbers statistically,

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Speaker 5: No, I'm impressed yet, Gino at six going into week four.

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Speaker 3: So I love you for that same.

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Speaker 2: How about this, Texans fans, you got a new world

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Speaker 2: because CJ. Stroud is up seven spots to thirteen. Sam

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Speaker 6: back end of the top ten, even just on this season,

436
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Speaker 6: because I think it's more the offense and what's been

437
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Speaker 6: around him that's hurting his numbers.

438
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Speaker 4: And you know, the other product this is too, because

439
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Speaker 4: that's essentially where he was prior to this week. It's

440
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Speaker 4: the re shuffling of the other guys that just knocks

441
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Speaker 4: some guys down, you know, moving Stafford up, moving hal backup,

442
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,560
Speaker 4: who's been the most voluable player in this entire group

443
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Speaker 4: so far. Eventually, guys just kind of slide down and

444
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 4: then you look at it your reorder a little bit

445
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 4: more and you think, okay, after a month, that's kind

446
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,560
Speaker 4: of where they are. Even though I know Trevor's a

447
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 4: better player than that ranking.

448
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 2: Right now, I think this, I think he did a

449
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 2: really good job here with what you call the middle

450
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,439
Speaker 2: class to the upper middle class. I would maybe personally

451
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 2: have Richardson a little higher because I think he's shown

452
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,159
Speaker 2: himself to be a playmaker, but durability is part of

453
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Speaker 2: the gig as well.

454
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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say you wanted Richardson lower.

455
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Speaker 3: I like that.

456
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Speaker 2: I mean, like this is Dan Scoyem, Yeah, I mean

457
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,400
Speaker 2: I mean up around Cousins and Gino's okay, I think

458
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 2: he should be just I just think he's done a

459
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 2: lot in a little amount of time. But the playing

460
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 2: time is in part because he's been hurt, and that's

461
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Speaker 2: a problem as well.

462
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Speaker 6: I love Howell Mayfield Russ back to back to back

463
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 6: because they're all comps for each other, right right. They

464
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Speaker 6: all remind me of each other and it's interesting to

465
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 6: look at them. That is your Dalton line right now.

466
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Speaker 6: That is kind of the middle, at least of the

467
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Speaker 6: NFL right now. Shook, you nailed it, Howell, Mayfield Wilson

468
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Speaker 6: and how about c J.

469
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Speaker 5: Starta.

470
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Speaker 6: I know, I don't think anyone's arguing I'm not that

471
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Speaker 6: that seems perfect for his spot.

472
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Speaker 7: But what a I'd put him above Gino even so.

473
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Speaker 5: Yeah, what a money out of him?

474
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Speaker 3: I'm too low and Kirk similar I think put him

475
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Speaker 3: right on the end doorstep at the top ten. That's glorious.

476
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Speaker 5: It's funny.

477
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Speaker 6: Those three actually remind me of each other a little

478
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 6: bit stylistically too, just in terms of how they win,

479
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 6: what they do well. Tell us what you've just seen

480
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 6: in CJ. Stroud, Just what you liked about him?

481
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,640
Speaker 4: Accuracy, poise, confidence in an offense that suits him perfectly.

482
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 4: He's throwing guys open. He looks like he's been in

483
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 4: the league for five years. They're winning because of him.

484
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 4: He looks way better than even I anticipated. And the

485
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 4: Texans are a fun watch because he's playing quarterback right now.

486
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 4: And you know that was a big jump to move

487
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 4: him up there, but I felt he completely earned it.

488
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Speaker 4: And the only difference really, like you kind of get

489
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Speaker 4: a Stroud and Richardson sandwich here with those three guys

490
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Speaker 4: that are similar comps in between, and the only reason

491
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Speaker 4: is is because Richardson hasn't been in every game and

492
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Speaker 4: you know the durability thing. That's it. That's the only

493
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Speaker 4: reason otherwise CJ Stroud right now, like we've talked about,

494
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Speaker 4: you know, this week leading candidate for Offensive Rookie the Year,

495
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Speaker 4: and I think Richardson's going to make a strong play

496
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Speaker 4: for that. If if Richardson continues to play like this,

497
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Speaker 4: they're gonna be neck and neck in these rankings throughout

498
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Speaker 4: the year.

499
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Speaker 2: The only one I'm seeing here that maybe I'm bumping

500
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Speaker 2: up against a little bit before we move on, Jordan Love,

501
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Speaker 2: you have at twenty, I would imagine for you he's

502
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: been a kind of a tough evaluation because he's shown

503
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Speaker 2: really exciting moments and moments of leadership and playmaking, but

504
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Speaker 2: also he's had a lot of his core missing and

505
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 2: there have been some dry spots. Thursday night against the

506
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Speaker 2: Lines last week was not great shakes. Has he been

507
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 2: a little tough for you to play so far?

508
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just hasn't played a complete game yet. You know,

509
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 4: there's been flashes where he's gone out there and led

510
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 4: them back to victory against the Saints and done some

511
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 4: really good things, some exciting things, but watching him is

512
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 4: kind of an unhinged experience because he doesn't quite have

513
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Speaker 4: everything together underneath him, and he'll try to make the

514
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 4: superhero play a little bit too often, and then he

515
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 4: kind of settles down shorter passes, gets into a rhythm,

516
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 4: and then suddenly that offense is unlocked and you find

517
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Speaker 4: success just not complete and consistent over a four game

518
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Speaker 4: stretch so far. But I like what I see from him.

519
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Speaker 4: I think he's got a bright future.

520
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Speaker 2: And I'll just make a quick note before we move

521
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Speaker 2: to the back end that we'reding this ahead of TNF

522
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: kickoff week five, So don't get fired up about fields

523
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Speaker 2: and Howell's placement if they do something marvelous or terrible

524
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Speaker 2: on Thursday.

525
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Speaker 5: Very possible with those two quarterbacks.

526
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Speaker 3: Yes, so this is.

527
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Speaker 2: All through week four, and now let's move to the

528
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Speaker 2: bottom of Now, bottom of the barrel is not fair,

529
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Speaker 2: but this is the bottom third of the QB index.

530
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: Ryan Tannehill up eight spots, so he was buried, but

531
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Speaker 2: he moves up to twenty one. Derek Carr drops one

532
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 2: spot to twenty two. Joe Burrow, that's the conversation that

533
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: we hinted at it early on and we should get

534
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Speaker 2: back into it. Down eleven to twenty three. Eight In

535
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Speaker 2: O'Connell the Raiders rookie twenty four.

536
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Speaker 3: Look at Joe Burrow just ahead of Ader O'Connell. What

537
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Speaker 3: a world.

538
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Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs twenty five, up three spots. Zach Wilson, after

539
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Speaker 2: showing signs of life on Sunday Night Football, up six

540
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Speaker 2: to twenty six. Bryce Young the first overall pick at

541
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, down one spot. Mac Jones takes a nosedive

542
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Speaker 2: after the Cowboys debacle, Down nine spots to twenty eight.

543
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Speaker 3: Can he pick it?

544
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Speaker 2: Down seven spots after a rough one against Houston to

545
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Speaker 2: twenty nine.

546
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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones another.

547
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: Dirt nap, down seven to number thirty after a wipeout

548
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: on Monday Night Football. Desmond Ritter more or less stays

549
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Speaker 2: where he is at number thirty one, rightfully so and yeah,

550
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: Dorian Thompson Robinson shook. He watched that game yesterday and

551
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: that was that was a tough debut for dtr Get

552
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: well soon. Deshaun Watson. Where's Deshaun Watson? So he's off

553
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: the list because he so?

554
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 7: Can I like I don't shook? Or they hope they're

555
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 7: helping you out here more last year, like when Jalen

556
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 7: Hurts went out for this week and Minshew came in

557
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 7: two weeks, you have to like you act like Jalen

558
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Speaker 7: Hurts doesn't exist, and suddenly Gardner Minshew comes into the lineup.

559
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Speaker 7: And I'm sure they've corrected this because I had to.

560
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Speaker 7: It would cause me a four or five days of

561
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Speaker 7: utter havoc. But you know, Jalen Hurts was hanging out

562
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Speaker 7: at one or two and then he goes out, and

563
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 7: it's like they put out Mark Sessler's top ten QB

564
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Speaker 7: list and Jalen Hurts isn't even in the time ten

565
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 7: and there isn't like an asterisk that says like injured

566
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 7: players not shown. And just like suddenly everyone east of

567
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 7: the Mississippi is like taking out like a verbal machine

568
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 7: gun to take me out. So I hope for your

569
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 7: saying that's not happening.

570
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Speaker 2: I just say, and I'm sure it is happening. Shook still,

571
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: but I mean a little how the sausage gets made.

572
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Speaker 2: But I would say maybe a conversation with Ali Bompuri.

573
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Speaker 3: No, he he met these guys into the list.

574
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Speaker 7: He was very receptive. So this isn't like me a

575
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Speaker 7: year later trying.

576
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Speaker 3: To I'm saying, let's get the shot just because he

577
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 3: missed the week.

578
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Speaker 6: But you know, so you can blame me because that

579
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Speaker 6: was you know, I started, and this was my policy.

580
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Speaker 6: But you could change the policy because I wanted to

581
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Speaker 6: write about who has played.

582
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Speaker 3: I get it.

583
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Speaker 6: You want to like if a rookie you waited till

584
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Speaker 6: the week after, but if you have a rookie play

585
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Speaker 6: in his first game, you want to write about how

586
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Speaker 6: he looked, and so you would.

587
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Speaker 7: And when you're writing about these guys like eighteen nineteen

588
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 7: weeks in a row getting a fresh rice and there

589
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 7: is not that that was part writing twenty twos about

590
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Speaker 7: Derek Carr. You I'm ready to like jump off a

591
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Speaker 7: cliff at some point. This is definitely an offline converse.

592
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, no, no, yeah, guys, you're what you're doing

593
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: is I'm taking a lot of bullets every week with this,

594
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: and he shouldn't be part of the job. But you

595
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: just gave me like a handful of smokernades, incredible cover.

596
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm moving from one bunker to the next right now.

597
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: Thank you, you guys.

598
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Speaker 6: I couldn't believe how low Josh Dobbs was this is

599
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 6: where I think, if you're getting to week five, maybe

600
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 6: more than any player on this list, you're just valuing

601
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Speaker 6: how he's played on a week to week basis.

602
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Speaker 5: He's taught.

603
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 6: I think he's number two in the NFL espn QBR

604
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 6: in terms of rushing value. He's like middle of the

605
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 6: pack overall, but rushing value isn't that crazy. He's been

606
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 6: a great runner, great decision maker, I would say, been accurate.

607
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 6: You know, he doesn't have all the pop in his

608
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 6: arm and all that, and the production has been good,

609
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 6: not great. To me, he's up there in the hot

610
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 6: maybe a head even of the Dalton line in terms

611
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Speaker 6: of how he's.

612
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: On your lengths, on your rankings just then.

613
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Speaker 7: But he reminds me i'd like to see he's like

614
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 7: this year's Jacoby Brissette, who like people were like, no,

615
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 7: I'm not believing what I'm seeing.

616
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 6: Right, it's not as high as maybe I'm making it sound.

617
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 6: I had him seventeen, so a little higher, seventeen sixteen,

618
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 6: right near russen Baks.

619
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Speaker 3: You have him at twenty five.

620
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Speaker 5: So to me, he's he's right in that group where man,

621
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Speaker 5: he's playing some good ball.

622
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 4: He would have sat there if he hadn't had accuracy

623
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: issues in the first half in Week four. That was

624
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 4: the biggest drawback to me, was that he missed a

625
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: number of open guys over the middle early in that

626
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: game as they fell behind. He was he was erratic

627
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 4: and and in the win over the Cowboys, he did

628
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 4: his job well. The rushing value really showed in that game,

629
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Speaker 4: but it wasn't necessarily a game where he had to

630
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Speaker 4: go throw them to victory. As much as he did

631
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Speaker 4: his job, did it well. So I think that if

632
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: he were to put together a type of game that

633
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Speaker 4: he had in the second half against the forty nine

634
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Speaker 4: ers in a full game in the week ahead, you'll

635
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Speaker 4: see him rise back up. He's the one guy where

636
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: I want to keep nudging him. I just just come out.

637
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Speaker 6: I mean, there's no way Joe Burrow's played better than

638
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 6: him this year for instance, No or car or Tannehill.

639
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying.

640
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: It's a tough assignment though it is.

641
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 5: No, No, it's not. He knows it's not personal.

642
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: How about so Bryce Young?

643
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: I feel like this is shaping up as a tricky

644
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: one triggering for Panthers fans, For Bryce young. You're probably

645
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: feeling a lot of frustration because there are quarterbacks in

646
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: your class who are thriving that were taken right behind you.

647
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: Not only can you, are you dealing with injury issues.

648
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: The surrounding talent is not at a high level. Is

649
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: he a difficult evaluation again because of the injuries and

650
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: the supporting cast? Like, what are you seeing from him

651
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: as a quarterback so far?

652
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: Yeah? Its situation does matter. I also think this is

653
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: an uninspired offense under Frank Reich and his staff so far.

654
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Speaker 4: They're not doing him a lot of favors. But he's

655
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 4: also not doing himself a lot of favors. You know,

656
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: he's playing too much superhero ball, trusting his physical attributes

657
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: that found success at Alabama that are not going to

658
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 4: create the same positive plays in the NFL. I mean,

659
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: I think about that stripsack that he gave up, you

660
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 4: know that basically swung the game on Sunday against the Vikings.

661
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: It was a play where you just take the sack.

662
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 4: You know, you see the rush in your face, you

663
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: take the sack. He tried to get rid of the ball,

664
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: tried to evade the tackler, He fumbled his return for

665
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: a touchdown. Those are the types of mistakes where he

666
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: just thinks he can do everything and he can't quite

667
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: do everything, hasn't learned it yet. And then the situation

668
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 4: also matters as well. Doesn't have the best supporting cast.

669
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Speaker 4: So I think that he has a positive, bright future.

670
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: It's just that, you know, you gotta understand, you got

671
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: to play a little bit more within yourself.

672
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Speaker 7: At this point, I look at the bottom and I

673
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 7: forget dtr here, but Bryce Young, Mac Jones, Canny Pickett,

674
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones, Desmond Rider. I wish I could come at

675
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 7: you with something, but I don't have a huge problem

676
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 7: with that at all. This is where these guys belong

677
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 7: right now.

678
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Speaker 4: Well, A couple of those guys have bad offensive lines

679
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: and poor schemes, Kenny Pickett being one of those. It's

680
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: a combination of the two. In Pittsburgh, it feels like

681
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 4: every third down they face is third and twelve or longer.

682
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: I think he's starting to see ghosts because he doesn't

683
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: trust his offensive line. Daniel Jones was mauled on Monday night.

684
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 4: I felt bad for him because you do see glimpses

685
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: of him, but overall he has not lived up the expectation.

686
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: And then Mac Jones, another guy who tries to do

687
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: a little bit too much, throwing a pass across the field,

688
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: getting picked off, throwing an ugly interception, later getting stripsack

689
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: from behind trying to evade. It was a really rough

690
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: game for him. It wasn't as ugly as I thought

691
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: it was going to be statistically speaking, But then I

692
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: look back and I was like, ah, man, this is

693
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: not a good trend for him right now. He has

694
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 4: not settled in at all.

695
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's circle back to Burrow because I think, again,

696
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Speaker 2: being a veteran at listicles here at NFL dot com,

697
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: it's kind of a good one for you because that's

698
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: the headline. Burrow drops into the bottom tier or whatever

699
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: in the nether world, and you can back it up statistically,

700
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: you can back it up with the eye test. And

701
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: before people can, you know, get on you, including Bengals fans,

702
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: you say, listen, you're seeing it. This is not Joe Burrow.

703
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean, his name is Joe Burrow. He still looks

704
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: like a full grown Macaulay Culkin like. He still looks

705
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: like Joe Burrow. But the player robbed of his athleticism

706
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: is not the same player, and you could even argue Shook,

707
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: you could argue you could put him lower because of

708
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: how stilted and really doa this offense is with this

709
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: type of quarterback right now, I've been vocal about you

710
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: he should be out of the lineup until he gets

711
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: a little bit better or a lot better. But they

712
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: see I determined to have him play through this tough one.

713
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Speaker 4: We are bordering on gross negligence in the part of

714
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: the Bengals right now with Joe Burrow because he is

715
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: not physically capable of being the player that he wants

716
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: to be that he's gotten to this point in his

717
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 4: career by being He can't move. He's a statue in

718
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: the pocket. He's like Tom Brady in the pocket, except

719
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: he doesn't have tom Brady's priestnappabilities and cannot deliver the

720
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: same way tom Brady did without getting out and running.

721
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Speaker 4: It's not that Joe Burrow is a mobile quarterback per se,

722
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: but his ability to extend plays, navigate the pocket, and

723
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: then pick up rushing you know, positive gains when he

724
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: needs to is part of what makes him great. And

725
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: instead he's stuck behind an offensive line. That's okay, that's

726
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: not great, but is okay is not doing him any favors.

727
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: Neither is the fact that the Bengals for some reason

728
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 4: don't want to run the football with Joe Mixon other

729
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: than on the first drive of the game. Their play

730
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: calling has done him no favorites. They're asking him to

731
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: do way too much right now, and that's why you're

732
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Speaker 4: getting the stagnant offense where Joe Burrow looks rather mortal

733
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Speaker 4: instead of some superhuman deserving of the highest contract in

734
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Speaker 4: the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Backing up where he puts him, I like it.

736
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Speaker 6: That was very I don't know if you happen to

737
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: hear the a flea like baseline or something that was

738
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Speaker 6: in the background there, but shook Us went through it like.

739
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: That was flee. We actually paid him four hundred dollars

740
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: to lay that down.

741
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: Underneath that was a phone vibrating on the table.

742
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 5: That's what that was.

743
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: Suck. It's about the illusion, my friend. Yeah, show, I.

744
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 6: Thought it was great. That was It was like C. J.

745
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 6: Stroud ignoring the pressure in the pocket. I just want

746
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: to say a shout out.

747
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: I'm with you on where you put Tannehill.

748
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: But just by the way, that was Nick Westling calling

749
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: you angry about Joe Burrow.

750
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 5: And also seeing I was right about Stroud.

751
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 6: The Westlings were high on high on Stroud, but they're

752
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 6: high on every Ohio state.

753
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: Can we talk Tannehill real quick?

754
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

755
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm gonna call him now from

756
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: now on Diet Kirk Cousins, because you know he's not

757
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: as delicious as a classic Coca Cola. You know, he's

758
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: more he just gets the job done. When you want

759
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: the taste of coke, but you don't want the calories,

760
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: they're all the sugar. That's Diet Kirk Cousins. Ryan Tannehill,

761
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: who's been very up and down this year. When he

762
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 4: has time to throw and they're able to build out

763
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: of the run, you know, play action, he's good. Yeah,

764
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: never gonna be great. When he doesn't have time to throw,

765
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: he's a nightmare. It's a disaster so far.

766
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: Like that Browns game.

767
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 6: I actually when I rewatched, I was like, I don't

768
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 6: put much of this on Tannehill. I actually think he

769
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 6: played like okay in that game. He was a bit

770
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 6: of a disaster week one, but he's been strong since.

771
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 6: And I have a soft spot in my heart because

772
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 6: QB in Decks started it was my first year at

773
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 6: the NFL.

774
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 5: I was still living in New York.

775
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: Qban Decks started as a project to watch the great

776
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 6: quarterback class of twenty twelve. Coaches film every week and

777
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 6: rank them and just go through their games every week.

778
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 6: So it was RG three, it was Luck, it was

779
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 6: Russ who's still on this list. It was Tannehill, it

780
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 6: was Brandon Whedon and then Nick Fole snuck in there

781
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 6: with a couple starts in the mix too, and Tannehill.

782
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 6: I really love him because I think he's really developed

783
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: so much as a quarterback. Back then he was just

784
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 6: sort of a guy who threw the ball straight in,

785
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 6: a big, strong athlete and a barely played the position.

786
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 6: And now here we are, how many seasons later, fourteen

787
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 6: to twelve seasons later, and he's still kicking on this list.

788
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 6: Russ is still kicking the columns, still kicking in much

789
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 6: different form with a much bigger, stronger writer behind the

790
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 6: helm is doing.

791
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 5: Great job, good job shooking.

792
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, I appreciate you. That was real nice.

793
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: Any other thoughts, gentlemen, Well, I think.

794
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 7: Part of this exercise, because you're just people are just

795
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 7: gonna look at the list that's it. They get all upset,

796
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 7: they run around their farmstead or wherever they live. But

797
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 7: like the actual it's thirty two like boiled down thick

798
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 7: graphs on each player that come from a lot of

799
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 7: film study. It take a lot of work goes behind it.

800
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 7: You got to prove your point like you just did

801
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 7: on Burrow, but you got to add a little spice

802
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 7: to the writing. We got to know who Nick Shook

803
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 7: is versus the last writer or the writer previous, or

804
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 7: who cover comes next? And Shook I've read, I've read

805
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 7: each one of these and I just want to say

806
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 7: the writing and your like whimsical nature with some of

807
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 7: the entries is part of the delight. So don't just

808
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 7: look at the list, read the whole thing.

809
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Speaker 3: Good reader, Well.

810
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: Sad, that's a good sales pitch. I appreciate you.

811
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Speaker 2: Well, so got it. He's just a kid from Akron.

812
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: Don't change your Twitter photo.

813
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 6: I mean, but at some point it's false advertising. You

814
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 6: don't want to be one of those guys that's you know,

815
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 6: got the like five year old picture.

816
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, but look at look at his buy and look

817
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: at anybody on the on the left sleeve.

818
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: So he's interviewing who's the player he's interviewing there, it's

819
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: Larryjobi okay Ogum Joey three teams ago.

820
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry, you're interviewing a guy named Larry.

821
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: And look on the left arm, the way the sleeve

822
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: hugs the buy in the try. Now, do we want

823
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: to if we want to get some people off your back,

824
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: do you want to photoshop the browns helmet off, off

825
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: the off the breastplate there. Sure you can do that,

826
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: but I would not get away from the photo because

827
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: it really checks a lot of boxes.

828
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: Otherwise, I'm not gonna lie.

829
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 4: I have a backpack that I got from the Browns

830
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: when I still work for the team, and I've thought

831
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: about sewing an NFL patch over it on multiple occasions.

832
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: For this very reason, Shook never changed.

833
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: Thank you for this, and we really did want to

834
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: highlight the brain work you're doing and and the NFL

835
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: QB indexicus who doesn't love chopping up the quarterbacks? And

836
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: uh check out Shook on on Twitter at the Nick Shook.

837
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Uh hell check out his Twitch handle the Knick Shook.

838
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and nim.

839
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 6: Check him out in a big spot. While we're in

840
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: London bringing that Sunday Night weeks six Recap Home with Patrick.

841
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm glad that we can add more work to

842
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 7: your plate. It sounds like you're not doing enough fixed,

843
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 7: So good job.

844
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 4: Thank you for giving me a platform to defend myself

845
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 4: before they come out. It's the game day graphic. By

846
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 4: the way, the NFL Game be account say, that's the one.

847
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: That's the I'm still getting notifications on.

848
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you.

849
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: And last but not least, check out Nick Shook every

850
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: Sunday night on the Flagship podcast, where he does a

851
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: great job helping us out with the game coverage.

852
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: See you later, but all right, guys, see you all right,

853
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: there goes Nick Shook again.

854
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, NFL dot com slash qb index read it every

855
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: week and that is a bonus app of around the NFL,

856
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: no cost.

857
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 6: And a nice little part of ATN history here atn

858
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 6: when it was a blog for a news thing, and

859
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: we used to have a lot of QBNX arguments right

860
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 6: here on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a dynasty and it's in Shook's hands until

862
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: next time.

863
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Speaker 3: Hey, a call