1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: The volume. All right, coming up in ten minutes. I 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: have yet to bring him on, but about nine months 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: to a year ago we hired Snaps. It was an 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: SEC college football show. Aaron Murray is the former Georgia 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: quarterback and then T Bob Abar. His dad played in 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: multiple leagues USFL, NFL, was a quarterback professionally for fifteen 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: years Falcon Saints, and T Bob a bear a wildly colorful, outspoken, 8 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: hysterically funny, thought provoking host. He's I think he is 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: really the most compelling voice of college football in the South, 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: and I feel so goddamn lucky we have him at 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: the volume. But I'm going to give you thirty minutes 12 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: of his world view on Brian Kelly, ed orgeron Nick Saban, 13 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, Texas, Oklahoma coming in, and something on his dad. 14 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: So his dad was the quarterback for the Falcons the Saints. 15 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: That jumps out to me went to a small school. 16 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Great story, and I want to introduce you to him. 17 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: I introduced you a couple of years ago to Jason Timph, 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: three years ago to John Middlecoff. T Bob is truly 19 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: one of a kind. He is just a remarkable talent 20 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: and he joined us in ten minutes. But first I 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: want to address something. Unlike college basketball, where a player 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have to go to college, he can go to 23 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: the G League, he can go overseas. College football players 24 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: have to go to college for a minimum of three years. 25 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: Most go four, and some red shirt and go five. 26 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: And at some point during that college career, I presume 27 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: at least some of them took econ one oh one, 28 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: an economy class. I understand being upset, but it's basic. 29 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: Supply and demand. Rule changes have made it more of 30 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: a passing league, so receivers, quarterbacks, tight ends, and left 31 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: tackles have never made more. And because the supply and demand, 32 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: especially the demand part for running backs is on the 33 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: low side and there's a pretty good supply of them 34 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: in college, they're not making the money they did. Folks. 35 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: It's analytics. 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: These running backs are all upset, guys. It's business. Offensive 37 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: players are getting paid those directly connected to passing. For 38 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: the record, the highest paid running back is also the 39 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: best receiving running back in the NFL, Christian McCaffrey. So 40 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: for years and years in the NBA, players were often 41 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: dissuaded from shooting threes. Now they're persuaded to shoot threes. 42 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: It's called analytics. In baseball, strikeouts were bad, keep the 43 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: ball in play. Math analytics says, no, strikeouts are not 44 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: the worst thing. Ground Balls are hit it out of 45 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: the park. Walk strikeout. Don't hit ground balls. And in 46 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: football we have all sorts of players that have never 47 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: been more valuable. Again, left tackle, tight end, wide receiver, quarterback, 48 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: great corner, edge rusher, interior lineman, Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, 49 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox. But there are positions because the middle of 50 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: the field now is an offensive player zone, not a 51 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: defensive player that the dominating, intimidating safety less valuable. The 52 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: linebacker who's off ball and can't cover in space of 53 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: very little value, interior old lineman less valuable. Running Backs 54 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: unless they're great at catching the ball and running it 55 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and are healthy, not as valuable. It's supply and demand complicated. 56 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: Their running backs can be upset, And I feel bad 57 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: for a guy like Austin Eckler who got drafted loan, 58 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: never made big money, and now is left without the 59 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: contract he desires. I feel bad, But Saquon Barkley was 60 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: a top ten pick. He's made more money than all 61 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: but Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry in the entire league. 62 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: At his position, he made his money early. Some guys 63 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: make it late. That's the way pro sports works. Cultures, 64 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: analytics change, business changes. I saw a study the other 65 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: day where airline pilots thirty five percent admit napping during flights. 66 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: That's because the cockpit is more automated. I mean outside 67 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: of the first three minutes. In the last eight they 68 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: don't do much. You still need a pilot in case 69 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: of an emergency, but they're not as responsible for the 70 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: safety as the passengers as they once were. So you know, 71 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: people are getting very emotional about this. I've worked in 72 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: local and national TV radio podcasting for a long time. 73 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: I started my career doing local sports. It basically got eliminated. 74 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Then I did local sports talk radio. ESPN radio went 75 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: all in. That mostly got eliminated except major markets. Then 76 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: I did syndicated radio ESPN. Not that it got eliminated, 77 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: but if you didn't have an accompanying television simulcast, it 78 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: wasn't as valuable. That's why I went to Fox. And 79 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: now cable TV is eroding, so cable TV my career 80 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: in cable TV could be ending here in the next 81 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: six or seven years or whenever. There's no guarantees. I've 82 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: constantly been trying to pivot to retain employment. I'm not 83 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: bitter about it. Running Backs can absolutely enhance themselves by 84 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: being better receivers, Christian McCaffrey, being better run blockers. I mean, 85 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: cam Aker's got in the doghouse for the Rams why 86 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: he refused to pass block and he gotten Sean mcvay's doghouse. 87 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: He improved in the second part of last year, got 88 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: back on the field. So there's where it's to enhance 89 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: your status, enhance longevity. But some of it for running 90 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: backs as luck, they're the last player you can tackle 91 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: viciously from any angle. Everybody else is protected in football 92 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: on offense except the running back. He remains the pinata 93 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: of the league. So some of this was inevitable and 94 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,559 Speaker 1: I can feel bad, But like any other career, doesn't 95 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: matter if you're a banker or a running back or 96 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: a media personality. Side hustles constantly trying to add value 97 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: to your career. It's part of the game. Twenty years ago. 98 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: If you didn't pay I don't know if Gail Sayers 99 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: was a pass blocker or Oj Simpson, but it was 100 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: a running league. Now it's a passing league, and the 101 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks making forty seven million dollars a year protect him. 102 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: So I can feel bad for running backs. They still 103 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: get paid, not as much as they used to. Sports 104 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: tend to be cyclical. Maybe it comes around. Let's be honest. 105 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: Now it was a small ball NBA about thirty years ago. 106 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: Now yokicha title, Yannis a title. The Lakers were a 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: big team in the bubble of title biggs are coming 108 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: back around as long as they're highly skilled, can pass 109 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: you to jumper and defend. So it's cyclical. The league 110 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: will never be the CFL. The league may get so 111 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: finesse and pass happy with continuing rules to help offense 112 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: that a big, strong running back that can control the 113 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: clock and keep it away from Mahomes and Lamar and 114 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Herbert may emerge and we may move 115 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: into a different cycle of the power running back who 116 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: can keep it away from Mahomes. Maybe that will be 117 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: the future. But guys, supplying to man econ one oh one, 118 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: you have to go to college for three years to 119 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: be in the NFL. Most played four years. Somewhere there 120 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: five you had to take an Econ class somewhere. 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I'm a huge, huge Brian Kelly fan. 140 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 141 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: And when he got called out by the media, he's 142 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: never been he's a little grumpy, a little rigid, and 143 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't have you know, he's kind of got that 144 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: uh Tom Coughlin face turning plumb screaming. I always thought 145 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: he was tough on quarterbacks, but I think once you 146 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: do it four times, four quick turnarounds, you know what 147 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: the hell you're doing. So he goes out and does 148 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: a couple of cringy things on social media and everybody 149 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: crushed him. How did that play though in LSU? How 150 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: did it plan Baton Rouge? How did it play in 151 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: among your fans? 152 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, right because right now he has a 153 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: near one hundred percent approval rate. But that's what beating 154 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: Alabama and winning the SEC Western year one will do, 155 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: Like especially in a year where you were picked to 156 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: finish last like a lot of days, I think else 157 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 2: you win total last year was like six and a 158 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: half and they end up going ten and four, And 159 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: you think about a colin. You know this better than 160 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: anyone in sports. What actually decides a fan base's happiness 161 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: level is not the results themselves, it's where do they 162 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: land in relation to expectations? Right, So, Brian Kelly vastly 163 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: exceeded expectations, but even at the time, even pre wins, 164 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: there was a belief at LSU that they had a 165 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: special guy and that wasn't hard to get there. I mean, 166 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: if you looked at Kelly's resume, it's on parallel, well 167 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: without unparalleled, without a nattic, right. I mean, he's the 168 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: winning his coach in all of college football. He's just 169 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: missing that crown jewel. He left a Notre Dame team 170 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: that was on the edge of the playoff to join 171 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: a six and seven LSU team with thirty nine scholarship players. 172 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: So that tells you what he thought about the but 173 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: of LSU, and I think that played with a lot 174 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: of the local people and more than that, man is 175 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: he wasn't Notre Dame Brian Kelly. Everything you just said, grumpy, 176 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: impersonal authoritarian, that's all melted away. He's one of the 177 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: most personable people I've ever seen. I was blown away. 178 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: One of the first sights when he got the job. 179 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: I was invited up to the stadium for a little 180 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 2: meet and greet bunch of alumni boosters, you know, one 181 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: of those type deals, and watching him work to the room, 182 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this dude's different, Like this is 183 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: I love Coacho. That's my boy. Like I just said, right, 184 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: I played for less miles for many for five years. 185 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: LSU hadn't had anybody like this since Nick Saban. His 186 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: political acumen. As he worked that room, It's like he 187 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: had a whirlpool of influence around him. He had people 188 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: kind of subtly feed him information, cracking jokes. Getting it 189 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: just felt like watching like a fortune five hundred CEO 190 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: work room. He just carries himself with a granitas. 191 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: That is yeah. And I think sometimes the media does 192 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: a poor job of hiding their agendas, is that Brian 193 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: can be gruff. The Notre Dame job is one of 194 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: the unique jobs in college football where the media still 195 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: believes it's elite. But the truth is they can't recruit 196 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: with LSU, Bama, Georgia or even I would say Lincoln 197 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: Riley or Ohio State or Harball when they're really rolling. 198 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: There's an academic umbrella. It's a small, rural, cold weather 199 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: town Notre Dame now is a hard job. Now, by 200 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: the way, his three predecessors, Ty Willingham, you know, Bob Davey, 201 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss illustrated how damn Howard is right. So it's 202 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: like people don't understand everybody wins at LSU. In the 203 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: last twenty years. One guy has won it, Notre Dame, 204 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: and so when he took the job, I said, I 205 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: get it. LSU in my opinion, and I really I've 206 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: said this before, maybe the best job because Louisiana, the 207 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: state gives you thirty Division one players. You can get 208 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,239 Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen year class, especially interior linemen. The size 209 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: is in so important California. You can't find an elite 210 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: defensive tackle. You guys have like six to eight a year. 211 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: Y'all, y'all get but y'all got the quarterbacks, dude. Everybody 212 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: still goes out west to farm them quarterbacks. But we 213 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: got yeah, we got your skills. We got some size 214 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: down here for sure. 215 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: So I guess I think this is the best team 216 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: in the country. I like Jayden Daniels. He elevated pretty 217 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: marginal talent in Tempe. Give me your takeaway on my 218 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: proclamation they can win a title. What worries you about 219 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: LSU and where do you think they can? They can 220 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: be even better than Georgia. 221 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: So I think what worries me is still what Brian 222 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: Kelly Deck's has been talking about is listed recentable media 223 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: tour where he's kind of saying, look, we're in year two, 224 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: We're not at We're not as fleshed out as a 225 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: Kirby Smart in Alabama or excuse me, a Kirby Smart Georgia, 226 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: Nick Saban Alabama, unless you still have some filling into 227 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: the corners to do if you like now now, frontline 228 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: starters they're twenty two is as good as anybody, right, 229 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: Jane Daniels second highest heismanodge you're turning the entire offensive line. 230 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: You had true freshman started tackles in the SEC last 231 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: year and they did well. So frontline starters, yes, but 232 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: there may be a little brittle, right, a couple of 233 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: key injuries, and I don't know that they have the 234 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: ability to absorb it in a way that Georgia would, 235 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: in a way that Alabama would. Now quarterback, ironically, they 236 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: might be all right. Garrett Nolsmier's probably about as frisk 237 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: give a backup as you're gonna find. But to me, 238 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: like the thing, it's interesting as Kell's been going around 239 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: and saying, you know, I think in year three will 240 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: be in an even better spot. And as a head coach, 241 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: it's probably true when it comes to the overall health 242 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: of the program. They're still taking transfers where they'd like 243 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: to get more high school development. But to your point, Colin, 244 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: there is a sneaky good window right now in year 245 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: and um two, nobody has a quarterback. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, 246 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: they're all working in you guys. But LSU, between the 247 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: coaching staff and the players, has more returning than nearly 248 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: anybody else. And they do have the talent win a championship. 249 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: It's just that they're not as complete as Georgia and 250 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: Alabama right now. Like the secondary answer questions, don't know 251 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: who the starting corner is gonna be. You have talent there, 252 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: you know who'snna win that job. Edge defender is probably 253 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: the biggest weakness on the team. Or now you don't 254 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: have a true dominant pass Rusheran you're probably talking about 255 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: relying on a true freshman and Sean Womack to play 256 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: that role. So so very very good championship potential. I 257 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: still just see little imperfections that when you're talking about 258 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: what decides these things, that may be the thing that 259 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: holds them back. 260 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: So Saban the South is can be insular and protective 261 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: of its history. So Sabin is a combination of feared, 262 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: beloved and hated in the South right, it's a very 263 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: the trifecta that they're very proud of what he has created. 264 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: The greatest football dynasty ever collegiately. And I look at 265 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: it now and he goes up against He's going to 266 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: go up against Sark and Lane Kiffen and Kirby Smart 267 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: and Brian Kelly. And I've said this for years. Part 268 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: of the success of Lebron James and that Eastern Conference 269 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: was so a lot of bad owners, a lot of 270 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: bad coaches in the Eastern Conference. I mean some of 271 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: it was the West had the dynasty, the KD Steph Dinasty. 272 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: Lebron wouldn't get to the finals through the West in 273 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: those years. And so when Sabin first came into the conference, 274 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: the first eight nine years has a lot of bad 275 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: coaches and a lot of the big dogs, the Georgia's, 276 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: the Tennessees, sometimes the LSUS, they just Florida. They just 277 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: couldn't get their act together. Now, ad Sark's gonna be 278 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: a handful. Is there a sense Nick's aged doesn't work 279 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: the recruiting trail quite as much people have stolen some 280 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: of the secret sauce. Is there a sense now that 281 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: Alabama on any given Saturday, you guys last year is 282 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: much more beatable? 283 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's data to back up the more 284 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: beatable things, So there is some measure of decline there, 285 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: and that isn't credit to the HighRes I mean, what 286 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: about shoe freeze at open Like that's a perfect fit. 287 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: Maybe not here in year one, but like there's only 288 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: so much oxygen to go around the room. I don't know, 289 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: it's all gonna break. The only thing that worries me 290 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: not Alabama, and I'm being worried in terms of those 291 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: who have suffered at the hand of the crimson Emperor 292 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 2: in the past, who have felt that boot heel of 293 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: oppression on our neck. The only thing that worries me 294 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: is everybody's kind of talking down to him. Nick Saban 295 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: very famously used to have to fight against rat poison, right, 296 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: you have to fight against what Kirby Smart's trying to 297 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: fight again to now, complacency. Now he has more legitimate 298 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: bulletin war material than he has ever had previously. And 299 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: in shocking Colin, but blue chip ratio have you heard 300 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: about that Bud Elliott puts it together and basically it 301 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: looks at okay, what percentage of your roster are blue 302 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: chip prospects? No team since they started doing this about 303 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: seventeen years ago has ever won a Natty with less 304 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: than fifty percent bluechip ratio. Alabama leads the country once again. 305 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: I think they're at like high eighties right now. So 306 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: they still are even though they have questions, who's gonna 307 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: be the starting quarterback? If you didn't win with Bryce Young, 308 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: how are you gonna within this guy? Like, they have questions, 309 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: but they still have the most talented roster top to bottom. 310 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: And where it becomes concerned is that if they figure 311 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: out quarterback, if one of these new guys hit, if 312 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: Ty Simpson, maybe Jaylen Miller, maybe one of these freshmen, 313 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: if they hit, they're immediately as much of a championship 314 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: contender once again as anyone. I mean, go look at 315 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: all the computer models, whether it's Austin Bots model at 316 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: the f I think Bill Connolly's at ESPN. All the 317 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: computers love Alabama, love Alabama's humans are like these question 318 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: So I think I feel like Nick's thanks to Kirby's rise, 319 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 2: Nick is in the spot that he's never been before, 320 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: where he's kind of laying a relative underdog relative to 321 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 2: what Alabama has been. This is as doubted as they 322 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: have ever been. 323 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: So Oklahoma and Texas after the season will enter the SEC. 324 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: It's a good news bad news. The good news is 325 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: the SEC will extend its dominance in college football and 326 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: its status. The bad news is, you know, if you're 327 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: off week is playing Oklahoma at home, it's just going 328 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: to be impossible to go undefeated, like you just two 329 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: more teams to face, and Sark, for all the misgivings 330 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: about him, is an elite recruiter and they got big, 331 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: big bodies on the Owen d lines. Yeah, how are listen? 332 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: SEC fans the ones that call a Paul Feinbaum show 333 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: think you know, Alabama's never going to lose, But when 334 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: you talk to your realistic fan in the South, is 335 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: there some concern that shit? Man? How many top fifteen 336 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: teams can you play? I mean Texas, I watched them 337 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: play Alabama last year. Yeah, athlete the athlete, they looked 338 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: like the same. I can argue Texas had the better roster, 339 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: Bama had the better coach. I mean, I'll watched that game, 340 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, you needed Bryce Young That's 341 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: why it was the number one pick. Texas looked bigger 342 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: and stronger. So not just your fanboy, but is there 343 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: some concern that guys like it's a gauntlet forget the playoff? 344 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: How do you get there? 345 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: Well, that goes back to like the only so much 346 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: oxygen in the room, right, Like, how in the world 347 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 2: are all these teams going to breathe? All these teams 348 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: fans again, to go back to expectation levels, it's to 349 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 2: be in the playoffs now. Now for Texas, that may 350 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: be a bit underd B. Oklahoma, that's the winningest program 351 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: in the last twenty five years. All they did was 352 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: win ten games every year, like last season was an 353 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 2: aberration for them. So, but in terms of what the 354 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: realistic SEC fan is expecting, Honestly, Colin, I don't I 355 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: don't think at this moment, I don't think they're very 356 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: intimidated by Texas Oklahoma and the reason being are a couple. 357 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: First Off, Texas been down since that Mac Brown National championship, right, 358 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: They've been pretty consistently down. And it's interesting to hear 359 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: you talk about Sark because I'm a bit of a 360 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 2: Stark down or here where Sarks never won ten games. 361 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: I need Stark to prove to me that he can 362 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 2: win ten games. I need to start to prove these 363 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: things before I give them a bit of the I 364 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: likes an elite recruiter, But how does that team go 365 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: eight and five last year when they're more talented than 366 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: every other Big twelve team that they're facing. How does 367 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: Oklahoma under Bret Mintabals go six and seven when they're 368 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: more talented than every Big twelve team that they're facing. 369 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: And so I think for now this is this is 370 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: likely Hubris right, but that's what we do as people. 371 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: But I think for now, as the Sea fans, it's not, 372 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: oh man, we don't know what we're getting into them doing. 373 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 2: I think I se Seed fans will get Texas at home, 374 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: but say, you don't know what you're getting into you 375 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: and Oklahoma's being able to just run through the Big 376 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: twelve for a decade now and just kind of have 377 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: their way as Texas kind of flounders and tries to 378 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: find themselves once again. So honestly, I even think kind 379 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: of irrational fans here aren't overly concerned. That's why this 380 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: year is so important for Texas right start needs to 381 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 2: prove it that he's the guy going in there. So 382 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: important for Oklahoma fans that they can believe in print 383 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: Vinnables because we've never seen Brent Fvinnables be a head 384 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: coach and even as a coordinator. He's in that Dado 385 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: Sweeney environment, which isn't really representative of their environments around 386 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: the country. Oh have recruited at or elite levels. Right, 387 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: I didn't think Vinables can recruit. He already proved me 388 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: wrong there. Now they got to prove it, prove wrong 389 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: and feel like answer me this con Texas and Oklahoma, 390 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: what's they have to finish one two in the Big Twelve? 391 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: Like they are arkedly more talented than any other team 392 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: the Big Club, Why should it they? 393 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: Kansas State returns like eighteen starters. The feeling is this 394 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: is the best Kansas State team in forever. So they 395 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: got picked second. They return a ton. But I agree 396 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: with you, Oklahoma doesn't look at seventy percent of Kansas 397 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: State players. They don't recruit them, They're not even interested. 398 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: So to your point of here's my concern about Brett Venables. 399 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma missed on their head coaching higher. And 400 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: by the way, even schools like Alabama have missed several times. 401 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: USC has missed several times, Michigan has missed several times. 402 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: Notre Dame has it happens. The first thing I always 403 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: look at, does the coach you hire is his side 404 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: of the ball locked up? Cinched up dramatically better immediately. 405 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley took a four win team to an elite 406 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: offense Sean McVay NFL Kirby smart defense, Saban got the 407 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: defense right before the offense. Forget the Sooners offense. The 408 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: defense was an s show like that tells me. That 409 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: tells me T Bob, he's over his skiz. They got 410 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: they got a coordinator. The defense was awful. 411 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, look I I it's it's again 412 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: why I think Oklahoma this offseason they have a very 413 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: good gymnastics program. And you could tell because the fans 414 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: have been doing a lot of mental gymnastics to try 415 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: to explain why Bread Vittabules is a guy now. Granted again, 416 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: to their credit, this is like they're they're kind of 417 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: drowning right now, and they're desperate. They're looking to fight everybody. 418 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: They're looking for something to latch onto. They've latched onto recruiting. 419 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: You know, he's done well there and so that's kind 420 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: of their only comeback right now. But I'm with Yukon. 421 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: He's supposed to be an defensive coach. Again. They had 422 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: talent on the defense, Lincoln took offensive guys. He didn't 423 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: take the defense, and they were dead last and vigor. 424 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: They were awful, completely awful. They give up more first 425 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 2: downs than anyone in in in the Power five. So 426 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: I'm I'm look, I'm I'm not a Bret Vinables believer. 427 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: I've been very clear about that. I'm also not a 428 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: Stark believer. I think both these schools that have all 429 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: the potential in the world, I just think they got 430 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: a hit on the right guy. Here's Michael with Vinables again. 431 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: I think he has to win ten games. He has 432 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: to be able to try that he can compete for champion. 433 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: For Big Talf Champ's Oklahoma start. I'm giving sarka lowbar 434 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: this year. Texas win ten games with a Bowl game. 435 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: If you do that, I'll e cro I'm wrong. Vinables 436 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: kind of the same deal. You get the ten wins. 437 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: I'll allow for being here. Two. The only thing that 438 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 2: makes me a little angry. Also in the Oklahoma Venables 439 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: front is he talks about I need to change the culture. 440 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: When he got there, the culture was twenty five straight 441 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: winning seasons, stacking six in a row, Big twelve championships. 442 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: The culture is one of the most successful football programs 443 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: of all time that you took over. And like you said, 444 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: and this is where I really terrified. If I'm an 445 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: Oklahoma fan, everything college football is about the head coach. 446 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 2: He is your Roman politician general. He is the one 447 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: that's going to decide the fate of the country that 448 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: you love so much. Look at what happened to Oklahoma 449 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: when Lincoln Riley left, and look at what happened to 450 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: USC when Lincoln Riley got there. That is an elite guy. 451 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: That's the top five guy. And when you have one 452 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: of those, you kind of hold on to it for 453 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: everything it's worth. And Oklahoma never in their wildest dreams 454 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 2: would have thought that they could get one of those 455 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: guys poached. I mean, it's crazy, like that's one of 456 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 2: the most successful programs in collge football history. That should 457 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: never happen. But it shows you the power of USC 458 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: and that Trojan brand. 459 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: Here's my theory on why Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma. Unlike Louisiana, 460 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: unlike Georgia, unlike Alabama, Unlike Florida or Texas. Oklahoma's recruiting 461 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: profile the state now provides about six elite players a year, 462 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: so he looked at going to play those recruiting hotbitch, 463 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: He's not going to be able to pull players out 464 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: of lsh out of Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, and Texas. Going 465 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: to the SEC was going to make him it harder 466 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: to pull players out of Texas. It's virtually unheard of. 467 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: Oregon's an outlier though they have no national title, to 468 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: be from a state that delivers less than fifteen elite 469 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: players annually and win a title. So Phil Knight has 470 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: made Oregon geographically isolated in a state that gives you 471 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: three viable They recruit California, but Lincoln Riley looked at 472 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: the weakness of the PAC twelve, the supply of California athletes, 473 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: and said, I can put a stop sign on Big 474 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: ten teams and SEC teams get twelve to eighteen of 475 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: my players from here. My competition's weak. UCLA is a 476 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: basketball school, and I think Lincoln Riley smartly. Everybody said 477 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: he's not a man. I think his business. I think 478 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: he looked at it and went Oklahoma its best days 479 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: are over and USC is a sleeping giant. That was 480 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: my take when it happened. The day it happened. What 481 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: was your initial thought? 482 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: So the day it happened, I was one of the 483 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: I was one of the kind of poopooers running away 484 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: from competition sort of guys. 485 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: You know. 486 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: It felt like a sexy tape at the time. But 487 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: combined with that was the potential of USC. And this 488 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: is something that I actually have a lot of trouble 489 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: get through to my audience in Louisiana because I'll mention 490 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: USC and they want to act like USC is just 491 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: far away, high fluting, unthreatened, and no they don't care. 492 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: They're like, oh but they don't care that we care, 493 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, that's fine. But economically ninety percent 494 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: of the population of Louisiana buying in, Like, what does 495 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: it take five percent of LA and you match the economics, 496 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: so like, yeah, the potential of USC is it seeds 497 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: out of Oklahoma. Now, I do think you give recruit 498 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: to Okahma. I think that's been proven, Like the Texas 499 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: football economy is unbelievable. I was looking at some of 500 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: the other day. Colin actually was based off of your take, 501 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, is it realistic to think 502 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: that A and M and Texas and Oklahoma can all 503 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: take players in same state and they actually had so, 504 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: like Texas just produces an unreal amount of players, but 505 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: it's way harder, but it's way harder and it takes 506 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: way more work. And in Texas gets strong, it's only 507 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: going to get harder. And you're in the SEC, it's 508 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: only gonna get harder. And the Big Ten is a 509 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: better conference in the Pac twelve, but it's top heavy. 510 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: It's very very top heavy, right, Like you got your 511 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: Big three, and a USC's gonna fit in fine amongst 512 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: the Big three and immediately be able to compete. So no, 513 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: I agree that the inherent potential of USC is greater 514 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: than that of Oklahoma, even if Oklahoma is still really good. 515 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 2: I just don't get if I'm Oklahoma, I do not 516 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 2: get it settling for availables, like like what did Scott 517 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: Woodward do when the l shoot job came open? He 518 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: went and were great? He pried Brian Kelly out of 519 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Why did you go with Crimson's defensive coordinator 520 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: when you give some of the Moose Heisman's college football 521 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: history and the most national championship college football history. It 522 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: just it's tough. 523 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: Man. 524 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: It all felt very kind of reactive to me in 525 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: a way. 526 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: One final question, I want you to because you're such 527 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: a funny guy that we all dated girls, fun girls, 528 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: but there was something why we married who we married, yep, 529 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: and whatever it is we had, there were just women 530 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: that you make that decision and they think the same 531 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: way with us, By the way, they look at some 532 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: of us as datable, some as marriage material. I consider ed, oh, 533 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: the best girlfriend in the history of college football. He's 534 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: not long term. He's exciting, but he's a lot of 535 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: every weekend as a blast. How is he viewed now? 536 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean literally, you don't know what he's gonna say. 537 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: He's got his own brand. You'd think kill you know, 538 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he got a divorce, there's recruiting stuff. Yeah, 539 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, he's just a good time. How is he 540 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: viewed by ut Bob and LSU nation? 541 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: So it probably is like the greatest one night stand 542 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: in history, Like you said, like when you're laying next 543 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: to your wife and you love your wife, or you 544 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: love Brian Kelly. He's dependable, he's incredibly intelligent, he's caring, 545 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: he does all the little things. But you think about 546 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: fifteen to zero and Joe Burrow and the Heisman and 547 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson and all these sorts of things. 548 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: So that is actually what he's been a real fascinating 549 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: kind of revelation that have had recently, which is ironically, 550 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: Brian Kelly is the best thing that ever happened to 551 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: ed Osron. And it's because nobody cares about the bad 552 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: two years now, nobody cares. It doesn't matter, it's it's gone. 553 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: And now all the pressures on Kelly because instead of 554 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: Edo like the fear is something like what we mentioned 555 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: is happened at Texas or a usc where you hire 556 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: the wrong guy or at least it starts to go wrong, 557 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: because that was the right guy for a while. Now 558 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: he wasn't ready to have success, right, but he went 559 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 2: six and two interim, he went nine and four, ten 560 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: and three fifteen to zero, so there was a consistent 561 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: climb there. But then success came and we all kind 562 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: of saw what happened, and so the fear is if 563 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: you miss on a couple of those guys, you set 564 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: yourself back years, and that's when people get angry, and 565 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: that's when the legacies are tarnished. But all of a sudden, 566 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: instead of o setting you back years, you're good. You 567 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: feel like you have your best coach that you've had 568 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: since ing Sam, and you feel like the future is 569 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: brighter than ever. And now all the pressure's on Brian Kelly. 570 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: So all of a sudden ed, Oh, there's no bad 571 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: ill will towards going six and seven and the last year, 572 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: all the drama, all the bad dress. It's like it's 573 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: the ex girlfriend. Things actually perfect because you only remember 574 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: the good times now, but it's all because of the 575 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: success of Kelly and now happy you are now and 576 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: where you think your relationships going currently. 577 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: What was it like to be the son of the 578 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints quarterback Bobby A. 579 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: Bear? 580 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: What is that life like? 581 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: It's cool, man, it's funny. So I was. I was 582 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: born in eighty nine and on Men went to the 583 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: Falcons about ninety two, so my memories were of him 584 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: playing in Atlanta. But he used to have every Saints game, 585 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: all of his games, we had him on VHS, and 586 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: so I'm being a little kid, and I would pop 587 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: in the old Saints recordings and watch like Saints Raiders, 588 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety or whatever, like Monday Night Football, and 589 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: I'd sit there and I'd like take notes and stabs 590 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: during the game. So I got a bit of the 591 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: don't patrol zeitgeist, right, the birth of the Saints actually 592 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: being a team that could consistently make the playoffs. And 593 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: so I gained through these VHS tapes, I gained kind 594 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: of almost like a time travel understanding of what he 595 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 2: meant to that city and to that franchise where they 596 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: had been so bad for so long. They were the Aints, 597 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 2: the paper bags. They were losers, I mean perennial losers. 598 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: And I know it pays. I mean, you never want 599 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: a playoff game. They end up going zhing for in 600 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 2: the playoffs, right, But it was still the most consistent 601 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 2: winning that they had. And it's funny, man, because, like 602 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 2: I think, it can always whenever you have a father 603 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: who has done these great things, sometimes that can be 604 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: a negative, right, Maybe you get in your head, maybe 605 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 2: it applies too much pressure or it's just too much. 606 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 2: And maybe because I didn't play quarterback, but I never 607 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 2: felt that it was always dude, it was always such 608 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: a it was always just such like a positive like 609 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: I remember, like the insight. I mean, he played professional 610 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 2: football for fifteen years, started to Abell Michigan Panthers, Oakland Invaders, 611 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: Saints NFL for twelve years. The insight that he gave 612 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: me growing up on how to mentally handle things, technique things. 613 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: And then when I get older and I need more 614 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: offensive line work, I got to work with like some 615 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 2: of his old teammates and everything. So like I'm someone 616 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: who it's always been in that positive. Man, It's just 617 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 2: I feel. Look, I am very blessed. I am a 618 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: beneficiary of nepotism. I would have never gotten my start 619 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: in this industry without him later becoming a radio legend 620 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: in New Orleans, right, And so I'm very cognizant of this. 621 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: I do not take this for granted. And all I 622 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 2: want to do is try to do the best with 623 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 2: the with the kind of unarmed opportunity that I was 624 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: given at a at a very young age. And I 625 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: thank my father for that man he was. It's it's yeah, 626 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 2: like I said, I just think back and think about 627 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: how he put his body on the line, caging kid 628 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 2: from Louisiana, didn't grow up with much and then and 629 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: then he rose to these heights to provide for his 630 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: family and to set up the next generation. It's something 631 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: that I don't think about a lot. 632 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: Well, I think you're the most creative, articulate, thoughtful Southern 633 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: voice in college football. I thought that when I listened 634 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: to your first podcast. We were looking for you for 635 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: a year and Logan Swain, who runs the volume, gave 636 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: me a tape. I got a tape of you. You 637 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: and Aaron are great. He's the straight man and you 638 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: are crazy town. We could not love you more. I 639 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: think you're just such a unique voice in the sport 640 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: and we are so f and happy to have you. 641 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: Manel, I'm not gonna lie. God, I feel like I've 642 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 2: been like a little of Tidier. 643 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: You know. 644 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: Well there is the boss man, dude. I grew up 645 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 2: watching you and everything, and so I mean, I think 646 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 2: I'm blessing pretty hard right now. I can't that that means, 647 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 2: but making no mistake, bro, we got big things coming 648 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 2: to Snaps. So you're me and Aaron are fired up, 649 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 2: drums fired up. We've been recording a bunch of stuff 650 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 2: here in Nashville. We've been taking going around making the rounds. 651 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 2: The Volume's been like one of the best things ever 652 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: happened to me because I love LSU, I love doing 653 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: the morning show and everything, but I've been doing Louisiana 654 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: for like ten years now. Now all of a sudden, 655 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 2: I get to expand and talk about the PAC twelve 656 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 2: and the Big ten and just all of college hoble 657 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: and I love it all and I know it all, 658 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 2: and it's yeah, thank you, man, It's been awesome things 659 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: for having me on the podet. This was super fun. 660 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna try to do this on a regular basis, 661 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: my man. Congrats, say hi to Aaron, and I'll put 662 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: this out in the morning and on the volume page tonight, Bud, 663 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: all right, con 664 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 2: Take it easy man, YouTube dot Com slash at Volume snaps, 665 00:37:48,520 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 2: hit it up, the Volume