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<v Speaker 1>note before we get started. The stories we're sharing this

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<v Speaker 1>season touch on different kinds of trauma. Please take care

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<v Speaker 1>of yourself while you listen. On a warm day in

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<v Speaker 1>May of twenty sixteen, I gassed up my pickup truck

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<v Speaker 1>and hit the highway. I was driving north towards a

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<v Speaker 1>military base in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. On the base was an

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<v Speaker 1>important historical site, or at least what was left of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Carlisle Indian Industrial School Carlyle opened in eighteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>On a cold night that fall, one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven Native children got off a train. The youngest ones

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<v Speaker 1>were six. They were met by military staff who cut

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<v Speaker 1>their hair, changed their clothes, changed their names to Luther,

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph or Mary, and led them to the military barracks

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<v Speaker 1>that were now home. Carlile was a dangerous place to

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<v Speaker 1>be a child, Physical and sexual abuse was widespread and

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<v Speaker 1>well documented. The military gave the school such little money,

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<v Speaker 1>children didn't always have medical care or food. During the summers,

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<v Speaker 1>they were rented out as domestic servants or for farm labor.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlisle is still an active military base. On that warm

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<v Speaker 1>day in May, I pulled up to the security checkpoint

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<v Speaker 1>and could see the group I was meeting standing in

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<v Speaker 1>a circle. The guard looked at my driver's license with

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<v Speaker 1>a mirror on a little stick. He checked under my

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<v Speaker 1>car and then waved me through. I walked up to

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<v Speaker 1>the circle. We stood in a small section of grass

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<v Speaker 1>between the commissary parking lot and the road. From far away,

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like the edge of a strip mall, like

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<v Speaker 1>an afterthought. But up close you could see that behind

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<v Speaker 1>a black wrought iron fence lies what's left of the

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<v Speaker 1>Carlisle Indian Industrial School. Today. It's a cemetery. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Memorial Day weekend and we were there to decorate the

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<v Speaker 1>graves of the children who died at Carlisle. We brought

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco ties, plastic flowers, and little toys and left them

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<v Speaker 1>on the headstones of the children who never came home.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike Carlile, most of these so called schools, didn't mark

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<v Speaker 1>their graves, and last summer in Canada, people started finding

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<v Speaker 1>the bodies, the bodies of hundreds and then thousands of children.

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<v Speaker 1>In response, the US has launched an investigation into how

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<v Speaker 1>many babies are buried in our soil. For most of

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<v Speaker 1>the little ones who didn't survive these horrific places, we

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<v Speaker 1>still haven't found their bodies. Any other school that killed

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<v Speaker 1>its children would not be considered a success, but Carlile

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<v Speaker 1>was replicated. The Bureau of Indian Affairs opened twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>boarding schools, and churches opened hundreds more. Death didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of Carlile's mission because the mission wasn't education,

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<v Speaker 1>it was genocide. Carlyle was the brainchild of a white

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<v Speaker 1>man named Richard Henry Pratt. His idea was this, if

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<v Speaker 1>you took Native children and cut them off from their families,

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<v Speaker 1>their culture, and their tribe, they wouldn't be native anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you did that to enough Native children, there

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be Native people anymore. By the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds, the US wasn't done acquiring Native land. It

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<v Speaker 1>had just come up with a new way to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of using war, this time, it used coercion in

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure campaign, Native kids were bargaining chips. In one letter,

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<v Speaker 1>Pratt wrote, the children would be hostages for the good

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<v Speaker 1>behavior of their people, and it worked. While Native children

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<v Speaker 1>were held hostage and boarding schools, the US seized more Land,

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<v Speaker 1>an area the size of Montana at the time. The

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<v Speaker 1>schools weren't talked about as a land grab or a

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<v Speaker 1>tool of genocide. They were charity to solicit donations. One

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic mission wrote that Indian children were in grave danger

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<v Speaker 1>and good Christians who came to the rescue would not

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<v Speaker 1>only save those children, but reap their own life rewards

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<v Speaker 1>with God. Pratt even talked about himself as a benevolent man.

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<v Speaker 1>He was saving those children. Throughout history, the people harming

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<v Speaker 1>Native Americans have been motivated by two things, greed and charity.

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<v Speaker 1>The greedy simply want what Native people have, but the

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<v Speaker 1>charitable believe they know what Native people need better than

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<v Speaker 1>Native people ourselves. You might think that the greedy and

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<v Speaker 1>the charitable couldn't work together, but when you study history,

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<v Speaker 1>you find that they always do. It's almost as if

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<v Speaker 1>they need each other. The greedy have the resources and

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<v Speaker 1>power to get things done, and the charitable. Will the

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<v Speaker 1>charitable help excuse unspeakable harm? You're listening to This Land,

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast about the present day struggle for Native rights

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<v Speaker 1>from Cricket Media. I'm your host, Rebecca Nagel Goheen Dawadon

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<v Speaker 1>dalecayet Gela, citizen of Cherokee Nation. This season, we're following

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<v Speaker 1>how a string of custody battles over Native children turned

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<v Speaker 1>into a federal lawsuit, threatening everything from tribal sovereignty to

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights. Native elders started decorating the graves at Carlisle

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy three. They've gone back every Memorial Day

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<v Speaker 1>weekend since. At the time, Carlisle had closed, but other

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<v Speaker 1>boarding schools were still open. But by the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>Native Americans were facing another crisis. About a third of

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<v Speaker 1>Native children had been removed from their homes and tribes,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly by state child welfare agencies. Before tribes could recover

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<v Speaker 1>from the boarding school era, another generation was taken. In response,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress passed a law called the Indian Child Welfare Act

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<v Speaker 1>or IQUA for short. IQUA was created to keep Native

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<v Speaker 1>kids with their families and tribes. The law has been

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<v Speaker 1>around for decades, but recently, a small group of people

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<v Speaker 1>started saying that IQUA was a bad law, that it

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't exist, and they started a campaign to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>A decade's old law to stop the separation of American,

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<v Speaker 2>Indian and Alaska Native children has been struck down as unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 1>The group says that they know what's best for Native

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<v Speaker 1>children and that contrary to the position of basically every

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<v Speaker 1>tribe and native organization, IQUA actually harms Native kids.

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<v Speaker 3>The decision in Texas centered on a non Native couple

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<v Speaker 3>who sued the state to adopt an American Indian toddler.

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<v Speaker 1>And, like so many people who came before, their effort

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<v Speaker 1>to save Native children just happens to serve another agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>Last season, I had a story to share with you.

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<v Speaker 1>This season, I have a story to uncover. Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 1>For the past four years, I've been following one court case.

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<v Speaker 1>It's become a sort of obsession. The case isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>murder or even a crime. It's a lawsuit, big, sprawling

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<v Speaker 1>federal lawsuit. Like all lawsuits, It has an official name,

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<v Speaker 1>Rakkeen v. Holland, but most people just call it the

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<v Speaker 1>Brakkeen's case. The Rakin's case is complicated. On one side,

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<v Speaker 1>there are foster families and states saying the Indian Child

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<v Speaker 1>Welfare Act is unconstitutional, and on the other side are

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<v Speaker 1>tribes in the US federal government defending the law. But

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing starts with the story of this one

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<v Speaker 1>couple in the suburbs of Fort Worth, Texas, Chad and

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Bracken. Jennifer is a successful antesesiologist and Chad is

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<v Speaker 1>a stay at home dad. They are both Christian and

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<v Speaker 1>they believe people with a lot of money, people like them,

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<v Speaker 1>are supposed to use that money to serve God to

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<v Speaker 1>help others. A few years ago, they started looking around

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<v Speaker 1>for what to do, and after reading books, asking church leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>and praying, they decided to become foster parents. Brakeeen v.

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<v Speaker 1>Holland would not exist without Chad and Jennifer Bracken. They

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<v Speaker 1>started it, and I wanted to know why. How did

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<v Speaker 1>they go from wanting to help others to wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of iqua? Was it even their idea? The

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<v Speaker 1>Brakeens declined to speak with us for this podcast. We

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<v Speaker 1>reached out through their lawyers, We contacted them directly, I

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<v Speaker 1>attended court hearings when I was in the area. I

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<v Speaker 1>even drove to their house, thinking maybe I could convince

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<v Speaker 1>them in person. Jennifer politely declined, so we reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to people who knew them.

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer and I grew up going to church camp together,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we also attended the same college.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Christina Jones. She's just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Great person, full of integrity, very driven, high justice. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just character, loyal, dependable. You would trust her.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time the Brakeens started thinking about it, Corey

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<v Speaker 1>and Christina had been fostering for years. Here's Corey.

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<v Speaker 4>When they got into the foster care and adoption world,

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<v Speaker 4>she reached out to Christina, and Christina's been sort of

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<v Speaker 4>a I think, a helpful resource for her through their journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey and Christina used to attend a Church of Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Brakeens do now. According to Corey, within that

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<v Speaker 1>faith community, there is a big emphasis on adoption.

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<v Speaker 4>You commonly hear passages like James one twenty seven quoted

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<v Speaker 4>that pure religion is to care for orphans and widows

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<v Speaker 4>in their distress. Especially in church cultures, foster care can

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<v Speaker 4>really be built up as the ultimate expression of faith,

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<v Speaker 4>and so if you're not fostering. If you're not adopting,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're not involved somehow, then you're actually not living

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<v Speaker 4>the fullest expression of your faith possible. And people may

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<v Speaker 4>not come out and say it directly like that, but

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<v Speaker 4>it certainly implied in a lot of circles.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time I was trying to get the

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<v Speaker 1>Brakkeens to do an interview, I was just googling them,

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<v Speaker 1>and one day I found something that felt big. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a public blog written by Jennifer Bracken. In between

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<v Speaker 1>posts about family reunions and Disney World, Jennifer described that long,

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<v Speaker 1>complicated journey from becoming a foster parent to launching a

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<v Speaker 1>federal lawsuit with a surprising level of detail. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we're going to tell one side of this complex story,

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<v Speaker 1>in Jennifer's own words, read by an actor. Here's one

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<v Speaker 1>post from about six months before they got their first placement.

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<v Speaker 5>This was all such a sweet idea until we discussed

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<v Speaker 5>it together and decide I this was really what God

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<v Speaker 5>was calling us to do. Then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 5>it was real. The struggles were real, the neglected kids

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<v Speaker 5>were real, and the long road to the new perfect

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<v Speaker 5>family became real. After we started telling our families and friends.

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<v Speaker 5>My fears became real. What in the world are you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>Everything is perfect? Why mess up a good thing?

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<v Speaker 1>To Jennifer, becoming a foster parent was a sacrifice. In

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<v Speaker 1>the blog, she compared it to going on a mission

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<v Speaker 1>trip and living with that electricity.

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<v Speaker 5>It would not be an offering to God if it

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<v Speaker 5>didn't cost us something.

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<v Speaker 1>Their first foster placement did not go well. On the blog,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer said the three year old boy was difficult and

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<v Speaker 1>even suffocating. She was overwhelmed by all the therapy appointments,

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<v Speaker 1>the messes he made in her house, and the strain

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<v Speaker 1>on her other two boys. After five months, Jennifer and

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<v Speaker 1>Chad asked Child Welfare to take the boy back. When

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<v Speaker 1>they got a call for another placement, Jennifer wrote she

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would be easier because the second foster child

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<v Speaker 1>was a baby.

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<v Speaker 5>Ironically, Chad didn't want to take the placement because we

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<v Speaker 5>were told from day one we would not be adopting him,

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<v Speaker 5>and I kind of agreed with that, But having had

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<v Speaker 5>such a rough time through our first placement, I thought

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<v Speaker 5>a baby for three months would be a nice way

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<v Speaker 5>to get our feet wet again.

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<v Speaker 1>So we took the placement. Jennifer was right. The baby

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<v Speaker 1>was so much easier.

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<v Speaker 5>Other than a difficult bedtime last night. He's spoiled us.

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<v Speaker 5>He's been easy to love. He's a precious one. A

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<v Speaker 5>big part of that is that he's a baby, not

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<v Speaker 5>a three year old, but I find that much easier

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<v Speaker 5>to do as an emotion and a lover.

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<v Speaker 1>In court documents, this child is referred to by his

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<v Speaker 1>initials ALM. We'll call him Antonio. It's hard to verify

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer's blog because in Texas, child welfare cases are confidential.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the things that's really frustrating about this lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>So much hinges on the details of the underlying custody cases,

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<v Speaker 1>but those details are locked away in a black box,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a reporter, all I wanted for months was

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<v Speaker 1>to open it. But we do know from the blog

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<v Speaker 1>that the Brakeens knew why they couldn't adopt Antonio.

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<v Speaker 5>His ethnicity and the laws of this land at one

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<v Speaker 5>time meant to protect but likely antiquated at this point,

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<v Speaker 5>will likely prevent us from adopting him.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't get our hopes up. That law Jennifer mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>was the Indian child Welfare act. Antonio is Native American,

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<v Speaker 1>his mom is Navajo and his dad is Cherokee. IQUA,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned before, was created to stop the systemic

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<v Speaker 1>removal of Native children from their families and tribes. The

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<v Speaker 1>law is a little complicated because it does more than

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. I think of it like a set of guardrails.

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<v Speaker 1>IQUA is there to make sure Native kids get through

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<v Speaker 1>foster care and adoption safely. First, it requires child welfare

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<v Speaker 1>agencies to make active efforts to reunify the child with

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<v Speaker 1>their parents. Second, the law allows tribes to advocate in

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<v Speaker 1>cases that involve their children or move the case to

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<v Speaker 1>tribal court. And lastly, if a child can't be reunified

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<v Speaker 1>with their parents, IQUA sets out placement preferences for where

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<v Speaker 1>that child should go next. The preferences go like this.

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<v Speaker 1>First are members of the child's family, the members of

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<v Speaker 1>their tribe, and then other Native homes, which means the

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<v Speaker 1>Brakenes should come after all those other options. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the law they don't like because it

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<v Speaker 1>puts them last in line. Jennifer tried not to get

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<v Speaker 1>her hopes up, but then she got attached.

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<v Speaker 5>It's sad, really, the law is going to take him

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<v Speaker 5>from the only family he knows for over half of

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<v Speaker 5>his life by the time he goes home. If it's

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<v Speaker 5>going to be this way, then now is the time

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<v Speaker 5>to do it. Now when he likes to cuddle at night,

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<v Speaker 5>Now when he's gaining his independence but always stays close,

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<v Speaker 5>Now is the time to bond with him, and we

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<v Speaker 5>are doing it. But it should be someone else. But

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<v Speaker 5>he's stuck in the system. So we wait, We wait

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<v Speaker 5>and wait and wait, and sometimes this is what foster

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<v Speaker 5>care is. He's loved and safe with us until the

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<v Speaker 5>day he goes home.

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<v Speaker 1>To be clear, the system Jennifer was waiting on here

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't Iqua. It was foster care. That's because Antonio's parents

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<v Speaker 1>had a year to work on their case plan, so

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<v Speaker 1>during that year, Antonio wasn't available to be adopted by anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to a social worker at the agency that

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<v Speaker 1>licensed the Brackens. She told me fostering can be a

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<v Speaker 1>long and tedious process, but it is also very defined.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jalen Smiley from k Family Services.

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<v Speaker 6>So when we are providing information to families in the

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<v Speaker 6>early stages of the process, we're definitely stressing that this

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<v Speaker 6>is not a traditional adoption experience, because we don't know

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<v Speaker 6>what's going to happen with that case or what relatives

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<v Speaker 6>will come forward, so we can never make a prom

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<v Speaker 6>must set on the day that a child is placed

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<v Speaker 6>with a family that they will remain with that family forever.

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<v Speaker 1>In the majority of child welfare cases, the foster child

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<v Speaker 1>is not adopted by the foster family. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>of that year, Antonio's mom and dad lost their parental rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Two months later, Navajo Nation found a home a Navajo

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<v Speaker 1>couple living on the reservation in New Mexico wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>adopt Antonio. This placement complied with IQUA. That summer, the

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<v Speaker 1>Brakins drove to al Paso so Antonio could meet them.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Navajo Nation, the couple was really excited about

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<v Speaker 1>the adoption. They even had a baby shower. But two

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<v Speaker 1>days before the trip, the Brakeens went to court.

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<v Speaker 5>We intervened. He has been with us over a year

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<v Speaker 5>and he was not yet two. We felt it was

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<v Speaker 5>in baby Brothers' best interest to stay right where he was,

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<v Speaker 5>the place where he knew he belonged. Since he could

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<v Speaker 5>not speak for himself, we spoke for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer and Chad Brakin did not think Antonio should go

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<v Speaker 1>and live with a family he had only met for

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<v Speaker 1>a few hours just because they were Navajo. They said

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<v Speaker 1>the culture he might gain didn't outweigh the trauma of

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<v Speaker 1>taking him from their home. But here's what I struggle with.

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<v Speaker 1>How can the Brakkins weigh the value of Navajo culture when,

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<v Speaker 1>like most Americans, they don't know much about it.

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<v Speaker 7>Ayat a Pianolagana bashishin.

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<v Speaker 1>Tohsoi densha. This is Amber Kennisbakrati, a delegate on the

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo Nation Council.

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<v Speaker 7>So as I began this conversation and introduced myself, I

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<v Speaker 7>reckoned my family ties. You introduce yourself by clans and

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<v Speaker 7>then you know how you are instantly related to one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Most child welfare policy in this country is structured around

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of a nuclear family, as in mom, dad

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<v Speaker 1>and their kids. But Navajo families, because they are integrated

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<v Speaker 1>into those clans, are different.

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<v Speaker 7>Literally, when you see like a tree and the roots

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<v Speaker 7>that are sprouting on the bottom, and how they interconnect

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<v Speaker 7>and intertwine and are there to support one another, that's

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<v Speaker 7>that's the family structure. So it's not one or two

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<v Speaker 7>individuals it's this whole system, right, it's this whole system.

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo Nation is not just a people, it's a place,

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<v Speaker 1>a place where the Navajo have lived since the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of time.

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<v Speaker 7>There's songs and prayers that were seen when we see

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<v Speaker 7>our mountains, because that is where our umbilical cords are

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<v Speaker 7>are connected to the land, to this place that was

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<v Speaker 7>placed here for us, specifically for us, and so the land.

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<v Speaker 4>Is like our womb.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the eighteen sixties, the US Army cut that

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<v Speaker 1>umbilical cord. Using starvation and murder. The army forced Navajo

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<v Speaker 1>people into concentration camps and then on a four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>mile death march away from their homelands.

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<v Speaker 7>Not only was a time of great sorrow, but it

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<v Speaker 7>also then was a time where families were separated and

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<v Speaker 7>almost like our hearts and souls were taken from us.

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo Nation is one of the few tribes in the

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<v Speaker 1>US that, after removal, was able to negotiate their return.

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<v Speaker 7>And so when the elders and the leaders were able

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<v Speaker 7>to negotiate Napcos to return back to our homeland, there's

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<v Speaker 7>songs and there's prayers that we seing like when we

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<v Speaker 7>passed the Rio Grand River because we recognize those that

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<v Speaker 7>we lost. So that's how, in my mind, how I

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<v Speaker 7>see us being taken and being extremely fortunate to come

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<v Speaker 7>back home and have the ability to continue to care

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<v Speaker 7>for our earth and to be here with our mountains

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<v Speaker 7>who when we walk amongst them, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Know who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Counsel Woman Krotate wants Navajo children to have that, to

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<v Speaker 1>live on the land that knows them, to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of that root structure, and to be firmly planted in

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<v Speaker 1>who they are.

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<v Speaker 3>It is important for our children's spiritual, mental, physical well

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<v Speaker 3>being to know who they are, their special purpose.

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<v Speaker 7>In the world, and that this is theirs. This is

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<v Speaker 7>a space and a place in a people who claim

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<v Speaker 7>them and who will protect them.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the United Nations, taking the children of an

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic group is still a form of genocide.

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<v Speaker 7>A child missing is a sorrow in my heart because

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<v Speaker 7>I know we cannot continue to heal when we have

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<v Speaker 7>our children taking away from us. We cannot be whole

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<v Speaker 7>when we don't have our babies.

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<v Speaker 1>Both choices removing a child from a foster home and

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<v Speaker 1>removing a child from his tribe are a disruption, and

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<v Speaker 1>which disruption feels bigger is all about perspective. If you

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<v Speaker 1>zoom in, placing Antonio with that Navajole family breaks his

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<v Speaker 1>attachment with the Brakeens who'd raised him for a year.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you zoom out, placing Antonio with the Brakeens

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<v Speaker 1>breaks something I don't even have words for. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think about the land between those sacred mountains, where Antonio's

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<v Speaker 1>family has lived since the beginning of time. The importance

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<v Speaker 1>of identity came up in our conversations with Jennifer's old

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<v Speaker 1>friends Christina and Corey Jones, too. It wasn't something they

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<v Speaker 1>understood at first. Corey just thought his big house and

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<v Speaker 1>all the opportunities that came with it gave his foster

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<v Speaker 1>kids a better life, and one day he said as

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<v Speaker 1>much to a social worker.

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<v Speaker 4>He dropped his pen, looked me dead in the eye

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<v Speaker 4>and said, being poor doesn't make you a bad parent,

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<v Speaker 4>And I just quit talking and was like okay, and

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<v Speaker 4>that man, that just sort of rattled.

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<v Speaker 2>Through my bones For a while.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't understand what is meant by good for the kids,

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<v Speaker 4>because I think if a child has opportunities for what

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<v Speaker 4>would widely be considered as a good school or a

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<v Speaker 4>safe neighborhood, that that's good for a kid, but not

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<v Speaker 4>if the kid doesn't feel at home there, and not

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<v Speaker 4>if they don't feel like their identity is connected with

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<v Speaker 4>that place.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey kept having moments like that one where the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of foster care hit him like a ton of bricks

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<v Speaker 1>and it changed the way he and his wife Christina

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<v Speaker 1>saw things. It even changed the way they saw themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And so, yeah, we've done a lot of soul searching

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<v Speaker 4>and of I guess, for lack of better term, repenting,

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<v Speaker 4>for just how we perceive people in general, and especially

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<v Speaker 4>people who are poor. I mean, if we're honest, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think especially those of us who come from like

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<v Speaker 4>white conservative Christian backgrounds, we can certainly come at it

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<v Speaker 4>with the white savior complex and we believe we're not

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<v Speaker 4>just helping kids, but we're also, you know, saving souls

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<v Speaker 4>and we're going to ride in on the white horse

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<v Speaker 4>and save the day for these children. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's something that foster parents are going to have to

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<v Speaker 4>confront as well and check our own hearts and ask

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<v Speaker 4>why we're really doing this, Like are we doing this

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<v Speaker 4>to make ourselves feel better? Are we doing this because

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<v Speaker 4>we think this is this is how we finally make

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<v Speaker 4>it into heaven by doing this really cool, noble thing.

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<v Speaker 1>As the custody battle heated up, the bra Keen's got

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<v Speaker 1>some help from an unusual place. That story. After the break,

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<v Speaker 1>that petition the Brakines filed to adopt Antonio was denied

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<v Speaker 1>and Antonio was scheduled to be moved. Here is Jennifer's blog,

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<v Speaker 1>again read by an actor.

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<v Speaker 5>We wanted to appeal. We felt we should have won.

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<v Speaker 5>Not to mention, we felt this would do real emotional

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<v Speaker 5>harm to him. But the cost of the appeal was

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<v Speaker 5>extraordinarily high.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like they could lose Antonio. But then something happened,

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<v Speaker 1>something big.

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<v Speaker 5>Through God moving some very big mountains. We came to

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<v Speaker 5>find a firm who appealed for us pro bono.

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<v Speaker 1>That pro bono law firm was Gibson Done. You may

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>not have heard of Gibson Done, but you've probably heard

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>of their clients like Chevron, Shell, Walmart, and Amazon. Gibson

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<v Speaker 1>Don has a bit of a reputation. Here's how one

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of their recent opponents put it.

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<v Speaker 4>Gibson Done has built an entire wing of that like.

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<v Speaker 6>Their reputation is the dirty work that they do for

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<v Speaker 6>Chevron and offering it to others.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a big corporation, you don't hire Gibson Dun

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to settle your lawsuit. You hire Gibson Dun to go

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>scorched earth. And they brought that scorched earth approach to

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a custody battle over a two year old. Around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time the Brakeens were fighting to adopt Antonio in

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>state court, Gibson Dun helped them file another lawsuit in

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>federal court. Here's their lawyer.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, Chief Judge Owen, and may it pleased the court.

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<v Speaker 8>Matthew McGill for the individual plaintiffs. My clients opened their

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<v Speaker 8>heart and their homes to a child in need and

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 8>embrace that child as a part of their family. They

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 8>are here because the Indian Child Welfare Acts placement preferences

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<v Speaker 8>turned their lives and their families upside down, solely because

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<v Speaker 8>the child they took in is an Indian child and

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<v Speaker 8>they are not and cannot be because of their race

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<v Speaker 8>Indian families.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little tricky because there were two cases happening

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. In state court, the Brackens were

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for custody, but in federal court they were fighting

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>to strike Igua down to get rid of the law entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>That lawsuit, not the custody dispute, is Brakin v. Holland

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<v Speaker 1>it's still under appeal waiting on the steps of the

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court. Antonio's custody case raises a lot of hard questions,

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and that's so woman's parable of who should raise this

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>child is what every reporter focused on. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know was what the hell is Gibson

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<v Speaker 1>Done doing here? Why is a big corporate law firm

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 1>involved in a custody dispute? How did the Brakens find them?

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<v Speaker 1>According to Jennifer's blog, whence Gipson Done was on the case,

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>things started to go their way.

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<v Speaker 5>At this point, the potential adoptive couple removed their names

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<v Speaker 5>from consideration, and who could blame them? They were looking

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<v Speaker 5>at several months of uncertainty and waiting for a child

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<v Speaker 5>They had met once for three hours, when there were

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 5>plenty of children in need of a home. Now, the

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<v Speaker 5>tribes tried to find another family but were unable, so

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<v Speaker 5>they agreed to let us adopt.

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<v Speaker 1>The Brakeenes one. They adopted Antonio. The blog posts about

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<v Speaker 1>adoption day include a new family portrait. In the picture

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio has a wide smile. He's definitely a toddler, standing

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>tall on two feet, but his cheeks are still fat

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<v Speaker 1>like a baby. The family is wearing matching baseball shirts

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<v Speaker 1>and incursive font running diagonally across Antonio's chest. Is his

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<v Speaker 1>new name, not his new last name, his new first name.

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<v Speaker 1>The Brakeenes changed it. Here's counselwoman Krotty.

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<v Speaker 6>We have learned.

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<v Speaker 7>From our own history, modern history, of those who were

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<v Speaker 7>taken fat inside them.

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<v Speaker 6>They're being not knowing.

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<v Speaker 7>Where they originated from. They had a spiritual sense of

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<v Speaker 7>something was missing. It's a calling we're trying. And when

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<v Speaker 7>we say prayers, and we're praying in a ceremonial way

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<v Speaker 7>for our children to return, we pray for when someone

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<v Speaker 7>has gone from the family, we pray for them for

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<v Speaker 7>the spiritual connection that they have because of who and

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<v Speaker 7>where they're from, for them to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>The Brakeen's case was not the first of its kind.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last decade, IQUA has been challenged more times

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<v Speaker 1>than the Affordable Care Act. There is a coordinated effort

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<v Speaker 1>underway to strike it down. As a reporter, I've followed

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<v Speaker 1>these anti EQUA cases for years. Why was this decade's

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<v Speaker 1>old law, a small step towards addressing two hundred years

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<v Speaker 1>of family separation. Suddenly the target of these special interests

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<v Speaker 1>and who was paying for it and why. I spent

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<v Speaker 1>years poking around, and every time I connected a dot,

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<v Speaker 1>the web just got bigger. It was too big for

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<v Speaker 1>one article or even one reporter. So we put a

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<v Speaker 1>team together and we spent a year investigating. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>to caseworkers, family members, adoptive couples, background sources, over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people. IQUA opponents told us this case is all

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<v Speaker 1>about the children. I think we need to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of EQUA.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we do need to have the same laws

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<v Speaker 4>for white, Black, Indian Chinese kids, no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>But we found court documents and legal experts that pointed

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<v Speaker 1>to something else.

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<v Speaker 4>The position of many of these conservative lawyers, in.

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<v Speaker 6>Effect, was that any conscious efforts to address racial inequality

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<v Speaker 6>constituted so called reverse discrimination.

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<v Speaker 8>It is a direct disadvantage placed on non Indians.

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<v Speaker 6>Give me a fucking break, I'm sorry, talk about privilege.

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<v Speaker 6>We shouldn't be last because we're white, just because we're white.

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<v Speaker 1>We submitted sixty four your requests, read over ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>pages of court documents. Our reporting uncovered details that have

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<v Speaker 1>never been shared publicly. We followed the money and found

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<v Speaker 1>some disturbing incentives.

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<v Speaker 9>There are more people looking to adopt than there are children.

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<v Speaker 9>There's clearly a shortage, and it's blind demand problem.

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<v Speaker 10>Some of these legal theories would put tribal gaming at

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<v Speaker 10>risk in the same way they put the Indian Shell

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<v Speaker 10>Welfare Act at risk, and it might be too obvious

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<v Speaker 10>to do it in the gaming context.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time I thought I got to the bottom of it,

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom just got lower.

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<v Speaker 11>If any country is not afraid, it should be, because

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<v Speaker 11>this is the new frontier of trying to take away

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<v Speaker 11>everything that it means to self govern, everything that it

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<v Speaker 11>means to build up an independent nation.

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<v Speaker 7>They called and said, we will be disestablishing your reservation lands.

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<v Speaker 6>I think everyone was looking at each other like, what

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<v Speaker 6>the hell just happened.

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<v Speaker 9>My cynical view on this is that this case is

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<v Speaker 9>affront for a bigger legal challenge amount of by various

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<v Speaker 9>conservative groups that are upset about all sorts of federal

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<v Speaker 9>rules and regulations, ranging from abortion rights to the same

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<v Speaker 9>sex marriage civil rights laws.

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<v Speaker 8>It's not about kids. It was never about kids.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest breakthroughs came late in our reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>After months, we finally pieced together what actually happened in

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio's custody case, and it wasn't at all what I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time on this Land, Let's Solista General of Texas

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<v Speaker 1>is filing emotion in this custody case.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, what the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>That's so bizarre?

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<v Speaker 7>Y'all, All, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>This Land is Rewarded Written and hosted by me Rebecca

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<v Speaker 1>Nagel Goheen, citizen of Cherokee Nation. Additional reporting this season

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<v Speaker 1>from Maddie Stone, Martha Troyan, citizen of Obie Chika kong

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<v Speaker 1>Lack Suel First Nation, and Amy Westervelt from Cricket Media.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producers are Jon Favreau, Sarah geismer Lyras Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>and Katie Long, with special thanks to Alison Falsetta from

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<v Speaker 1>Critical Frequency. Our managing producer is Amy Westervelt, our senior

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<v Speaker 1>producer is Sarah Ventry, and our story editor is Raka Murphy.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional editing from Martha Troyan and Polly Denette Claw who

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<v Speaker 1>is Deney. Sound design by Lyras Smith, Mark Bush and

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte Landis. Original score composed by Jared Tate. Citizen of

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<v Speaker 1>Chickasaw Nation. Our Outra Song is an honor song for adoptees,

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<v Speaker 1>written and sung by Jerry Dearley, who is Oglala Lakota.

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<v Speaker 1>James Wheaton, founder of The First Amendment Project. Podcast art

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<v Speaker 1>one of the elders who started the annual decorating of

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<v Speaker 1>graves at Carlisle passed away. Karen Collins was a citizen

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<v Speaker 1>of the Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, served on the

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<v Speaker 1>Elders Council of the American Indian Society, and was an

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<v Speaker 1>important leader in the DC Urban Native community. She was

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<v Speaker 1>also incredibly kind to the people, especially the young people

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<v Speaker 1>she helped lead to see pictures of Karen and the

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<v Speaker 1>annual decorating of graves at Carlisle, please visit our website.

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<v Speaker 1>On there, you will also find more historical information about

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<v Speaker 1>the Carlisle Indian Industrial School. We also have a link

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<v Speaker 1>to Jennifer Bracken's blog. This season of This Land touches

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<v Speaker 1>on different forms of family, childhood, and racial trauma. If

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you could use support, please check our

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<v Speaker 1>show notes or website this landpodcast dot com to find

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<v Speaker 1>resources for adoptees and survivors of childhood trauma, abuse, foster care,

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<v Speaker 1>and boarding schools.