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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coaster Coast AM on iHeart

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Speaker 1: Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George and

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Speaker 1: Ori with you. We're back with John Frasier live in

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom Poltergeist, a new investigation and the Destructive Haunting,

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Speaker 1: his book which has just come out. John, can you

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Speaker 1: give us a Poultergeist story, one that has just fascinated

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Speaker 1: you over the years. There's many polter geist stories that

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Speaker 1: have fascinated me. Probably the one I'm best able to

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Speaker 1: discuss about is one I've looked into in quite a

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Speaker 1: lot of depth, which is a place called the Cage,

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Speaker 1: which is prison in Stos's ethics. Now, this is a

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Speaker 1: strange case. Indeed, it's actually the house is a lot

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Speaker 1: more innocent than it sounds, in that it's a small

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Speaker 1: semi detached house, probably about two hundred and fifty years old,

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Speaker 1: possibly on the definitely incorporating a local lock up which

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Speaker 1: used to be where they'd keep the village drunks before

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Speaker 1: you know they could send them to the magistrates, and

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Speaker 1: possibly incorporating an older lock up. At least there as

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Speaker 1: a plaque on the on the wall of un newn

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Speaker 1: Origins saying It dates back to the late sixteenth century,

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Speaker 1: and possibly a witch Ursula Kemp was kept there before

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Speaker 1: being tried and hund for witchcraft. That percula camp definitely exists.

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Speaker 1: The rest are probably possible. But a lady called m

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Mitchell moved into there and along with along with

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Speaker 1: some friends. Initially and a lot of strange things started

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Speaker 1: to happen. Thos used to slam shut without any reason.

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Speaker 1: At one point a pull of blood was found in

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Speaker 1: the flour and a cook can flew across the room.

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Speaker 1: Various of the residence got bushed, Various of the friends

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Speaker 1: were witnesses as well, and once her friends moved out,

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Speaker 1: she quickly she decided she can no longer stay there,

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Speaker 1: left the house and opened it up for paranormal investigation,

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Speaker 1: and at one point gave me and a colleague of mine,

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Speaker 1: Vizio Carol from the Gust Club, basically capt Blanche, to

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Speaker 1: not primarily to investigate the place in the conventional sense

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have done that, but to interview

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Speaker 1: all the witnesses, both from the original events and the

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Speaker 1: and the subsequent paranormal investigation teams that had been there.

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Speaker 1: And what we found is a lot of people had

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Speaker 1: seen and experienced a lot of similar things in the

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Speaker 1: same place. There was a particular door that would bang,

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Speaker 1: you know, not just creek, but bang with considerable strengths.

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Speaker 1: There were various people that had been pushed down the stairs.

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Speaker 1: There was at least five cases of Paultergeist scratchings or markings,

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Speaker 1: when you know, a scratch would suddenly appear in your

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Speaker 1: arms or legs. And it was actually this combination of

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Speaker 1: witness testimony that actually found a lot more interesting because

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Speaker 1: it's one thing, for example, the Amityville horror, you're totally

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Speaker 1: you're totally down to the family and what they saw

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Speaker 1: of what they didn't see. But in a case like

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Speaker 1: the cage, you've got literally dozens of witnesses, all having

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Speaker 1: similar experience, and all pretty credible I assume right, and

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Speaker 1: all pretty credible credibility. It included a TV producer who

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Speaker 1: was there in his personal capacity, not to produce a

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Speaker 1: TV program, just because he was interested, and he actually

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Speaker 1: he actually claimed, I think, to feel tootle depression after

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Speaker 1: whilst in the place, as people that are broken down

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Speaker 1: there literally and asked to be taken home from sixty

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Speaker 1: miles away and had to be picked up in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a sort of investigation. There's a there's a

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Speaker 1: Scandinavian paranormal investigator who went there and basically put down

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Speaker 1: in tears. Now we have to obviously correlate. There is

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Speaker 1: a certain psychological factor of staying in a inverticom is

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Speaker 1: haunted house. But this seems to grove and above that

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Speaker 1: that there seems to be some kind of atmosphere there

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Speaker 1: that triggers some kind of very unusual experiences. And would

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Speaker 1: you say that Poultergeist cases are where you do not

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Speaker 1: see the poulter Geist or the ghost, the apparition, or

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Speaker 1: do you not at all? I actually, I mean there

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Speaker 1: seems to be lots of little boxes of paranormal phenomena.

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Speaker 1: You're talking to UFO expert earlier on and so on,

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Speaker 1: and the psychics which past occultism boosts paultergeists. I tend

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Speaker 1: to think it's one big box. As an example, colleagues

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Speaker 1: of mainly Society for Psychical Research had a book out

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Speaker 1: called paulter Geist. They're always called Pultergeist Difference about paulter

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Speaker 1: Geist unfortunately, right, but their book actually was encyclopedical. They

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Speaker 1: took five hundred cases from history and found that in

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Speaker 1: at least thirty percent of the cases there was also

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Speaker 1: visual phenomena, you know, more like hauntings, and in primarily

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Speaker 1: separate thirty percent there was also audio phenomena like ghostly voices.

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Speaker 1: So you've got one heck of an overlap. I'd go

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Speaker 1: as far as to say, whatever it is, ghosts and

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Speaker 1: hauntings are probably one and the same thing, different symptoms

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Speaker 1: of the same of the same phenomena, of the same power. John,

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Speaker 1: what triggers a Poultergeist case? What? What starts it? Now?

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Speaker 1: That is the That is the sixty years and other question.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can be sure if anyone says its demons or

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Speaker 1: it's a dead person, with any degree of great certainty,

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Speaker 1: they are there. They have an hypothesis. I tend to

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Speaker 1: think it's probably somebody's something within us. Nearly all Faultergeist

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Speaker 1: cases have a stress factor that seems to trigger it off. Now,

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Speaker 1: it could be a death in the family, of which

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Speaker 1: obviously feeds into the afterlife, the afterlife serie quite well.

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Speaker 1: It could be adolescents, which, if you remember, was quite

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Speaker 1: stressful time. It's a few years since I've had that

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Speaker 1: bit of Yes, I remember that well, it could even

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Speaker 1: be a house move, which is I think down as

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Speaker 1: a top five stress factorism must surveys. So you get

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Speaker 1: the wonderful things of somebody moving into a house and

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Speaker 1: suddenly f it's haunted. But it could even be the

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Speaker 1: fact that they moved into there in the first place

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Speaker 1: and had the life to disapt it. That started out,

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Speaker 1: let's let's go back to Army Villa gang. I'm yeah,

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Speaker 1: the guy that was over extended in a mortgage had

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Speaker 1: moved into the house of a mass killer. If that's

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Speaker 1: not going to cause stress, I don't know what is.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's the triggest thing. I tend to

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Speaker 1: think and only think that there's that it's quite possibly

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Speaker 1: powers within us that actually cause the phenomena to happen.

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Speaker 1: Best example of that being the Philip experiment, which was

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Speaker 1: an experiment done in Canada in a late nineteen seventies

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Speaker 1: when a group of paranormal investigators decided to create a

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Speaker 1: ghost stroke paultergeist. They invented this fictitious character never existed,

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Speaker 1: called Philip the Cavalier. They gave a wife, a mistress,

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Speaker 1: and all kinds of things and invented a history by

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Speaker 1: which his wife committed suicide and drew pictures of him

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Speaker 1: and started to live his life in effect, and then

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Speaker 1: he started to get poltergeist events happening caused by Philip,

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Speaker 1: who of course never existed so couldn't be from the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: And they're actually good footage and Canadian TV of these

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Speaker 1: events happening. So I tend to go for the powers

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Speaker 1: within us. However, just like the other put on COVID,

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Speaker 1: I dislike the fact that the paranormal community sometimes gets

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Speaker 1: into political sort of tranches. We should be walking together.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong. The afterlife people could be right

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Speaker 1: in the same way as hydroxic chlorine might walk might not.

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Speaker 1: But everyone seems to be in entranced views. Scientists do it,

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Speaker 1: paranormal investigators do it. I wish we wouldn't. A paranormal

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Speaker 1: field tense between rivals, John Um to some extent, it's

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Speaker 1: not it's not as bad. It's probably not as bad

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Speaker 1: as it has been in the past. But yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean all fields are intense with rivals. Science has very

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Speaker 1: intense with vivals. And yes there is a certain amount

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Speaker 1: of m for your listeners have seen Monty Pays and

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Speaker 1: then the Holy Sorry, the Montipis. In the Life of Ryan,

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Speaker 1: there is a certain amount of the Judean's People's Front

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Speaker 1: and the People's Front of Judea. You know, people different

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Speaker 1: groups that should be walking through the same things, but

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Speaker 1: are actually criticizing each other and so on. Hollywood, of course,

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Speaker 1: has done an amazing job depicting vampires. How close is

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Speaker 1: that to reality? Well, I'm when Bram Stoker that Dracula

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Speaker 1: he'd never been to Transylvania. Um, um, he chose, he chose,

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Speaker 1: but he chose a totally fictitious um depicting of vampires.

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Speaker 1: And he even chose a place called the Borgos Pass,

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Speaker 1: which he has a mountainous which is actually very very

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Speaker 1: pretty and hilly. I've been there. Um, so it was

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Speaker 1: a It started on a walk of fitching, and it's

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Speaker 1: extended from a walk of fitch in the Romanian Strigoi,

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Speaker 1: which is a Romanian vampire, is far less romantic looking

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Speaker 1: when depicted. He looks a bit like a such a

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Speaker 1: wild animal. So it's not based on any any real

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