Speaker 1: All from Joe.
Speaker 2: Hello. Yeah, what's your name, sir?
Speaker 3: My name is Joe.
Speaker 2: How's it going, Joe?
Speaker 3: Dude, it's going pretty good. It's nice to talk to you, finally.
Speaker 2: Nice to talk to you too.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I'm uh, I'm in a chill mood. I think everything's
Speaker 4: gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: But who knows that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean who knows? I think, Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I got to just start accepting life for
Speaker 4: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much I I fucking won't shut
Speaker 4: up about this on the on the show, and it
Speaker 4: just in my own brain. But I don't know how
Speaker 4: much of life is how much of life is improving
Speaker 4: external circumstances versus accepting them.
Speaker 2: I think it's combination of both.
Speaker 3: But sure, yeah, no, I mean that's kind of going
Speaker 3: off for what I want to talk to you about
Speaker 3: a little bit today.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, I've just had a few few circumstances in life
Speaker 3: that kind of kind of hit me early on and
Speaker 3: now it's just, you know, I'm trying to deal with them.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, man, I feel like they kind
Speaker 3: of get me down sometimes and cards to get out
Speaker 3: of that depression, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Okay, what? Yeah? What are they? So?
Speaker 3: Dude? I was big into the gym a few years ago,
Speaker 3: and honestly I had I had a few injuries that
Speaker 3: I never took care of and they devolved into something
Speaker 3: pretty bad. And then I don't know, over time it
Speaker 3: got it got worse and worse. Eventually I had surgery,
Speaker 3: you know, I got some you know, I got some
Speaker 3: racist and back issues now. So lifting has kind of
Speaker 3: never been the same since then, and that was like
Speaker 3: a big thing that kind of made my life really important.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Now it's pretty it's pretty hard to find something that
Speaker 3: brings me the same meaning, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Hmm, Okay, So you can't lift anymore because of these injuries.
Speaker 3: It's not that I can't, It's just that it's it's
Speaker 3: a little, uh, I have some limitations, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure? How old are you?
Speaker 3: I am twenty two?
Speaker 4: And you said that lifting you're having a hard time
Speaker 4: finding something that gives you the same amount of meaning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, it's like that. That really brought me a
Speaker 3: lot of meaning back because I used to work at
Speaker 3: a gym and I still do some personal training, but
Speaker 3: that was really a big thing for me in my teens,
Speaker 3: Like in high school I used to do a lot
Speaker 3: of lifting to track and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 3: I finally got a job at the gym when I
Speaker 3: was like eighteen, so that was exciting for me. And
Speaker 3: then yeah, I was just really into it. And then
Speaker 3: these injuries came up, and like, you know, I knew
Speaker 3: in my head that you know, they were going on,
Speaker 3: but I hadn't really gotten them checked out, and like
Speaker 3: a timely mannered they kind of developed into something worse.
Speaker 3: So over time it just got, you know, worse, and
Speaker 3: now it's years later, I'm having a hard time just
Speaker 3: coping with that, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so why do you think you can't find anything
Speaker 4: else that gives you meaning?
Speaker 3: I feel like that was a good way for me
Speaker 3: to kind of deal with the mental stuff I had
Speaker 3: going on. So I kind of, you know, I told
Speaker 3: you I have a lot of anxiety that I was
Speaker 3: just kind of born with. Yeah, so I sort of
Speaker 3: I sort of struggle with that, and you know, the
Speaker 3: lifting was a way for me to deal with that.
Speaker 3: And then also just like my insecurities, dude, honestly, like,
Speaker 3: I just you know, I've never been like fully, I
Speaker 3: don't know. There there were some things that I was
Speaker 3: insecure about in high school, you know, my height, ship
Speaker 3: like that, and then I would always lift and I'd
Speaker 3: be like, you know, this is this is the way
Speaker 3: that's going to make me feel better. So that that
Speaker 3: was kind of a big thing for me.
Speaker 4: So the meaning you get when you say meaning, I mean,
Speaker 4: do you really just mean like because me, I don't
Speaker 4: know if is meaning the words you mean because do
Speaker 4: you just mean like it makes you feel better or
Speaker 4: physically mentally?
Speaker 3: I would think I would say that, yeah, you know
Speaker 3: if that If that doesn't make sense, I guess I'll
Speaker 3: kind of put it like this. It was it was
Speaker 3: more so the whole, the whole unity in it too,
Speaker 3: because that was also a little bit into a little
Speaker 3: bit into bodybuilding. Yeah, so it was more like I
Speaker 3: had these visions of like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do this bodybuilding thing, and I'm constantly working towards this,
Speaker 3: uh this one goal, and that would sort of become
Speaker 3: that sort of become my motivation. Every day. I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna get this, uh this amount of
Speaker 3: meals in I'm gonna, you know, go hit the gym
Speaker 3: for this amount of time, hit hit these uh these
Speaker 3: muscle groups, and it was it was going pretty well,
Speaker 3: and I enjoyed it a lot. And you know, like
Speaker 3: I said, I had, I was dealing with some other
Speaker 3: stuff like anxiety, some insecurities. And then you know that
Speaker 3: was even around the time, like I wasn't doing so
Speaker 3: well in school, so I'd be like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna worry about school because
Speaker 3: I got this other thing going on in the in
Speaker 3: the gym, and that's I guess that sort of uh
Speaker 3: that was very satisfying for me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know, just.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense when I say meaning now?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: So one of the things I like to think about
Speaker 4: a lot, and I think about this with my own life,
Speaker 4: is like there's kind of these uh this there's like
Speaker 4: desires that you have as a person, sure, and then
Speaker 4: there's vessels to fulfill those desires. Not to get uh
Speaker 4: actually this is not I was gonna say, not to
Speaker 4: get spiritual, but this is like actually very not spiritual
Speaker 4: at all. This is like this is like this is
Speaker 4: like logistical, empirical, actionable ship.
Speaker 2: So so you.
Speaker 4: Want like, yeah, you want community, You want to be
Speaker 4: around other people.
Speaker 2: You want to have a fucking computer all the time.
Speaker 4: You want to be around to the people you want
Speaker 4: to It sounds to me and and like like like
Speaker 4: you know, clarify, but it sounds like bodybuilding. It was
Speaker 4: something you were good at, so you felt competent. There
Speaker 4: was other people involved in it, so you had a community.
Speaker 4: I mean, those two things alone make can make a
Speaker 4: person very happy. And the bad news is that your
Speaker 4: body is basically made a fucking tissue paper and can
Speaker 4: get fucked up very easily, and it's unfortunate that that's
Speaker 4: what happened.
Speaker 2: But the good news is that.
Speaker 4: Of the things that exist in the I mean, you're
Speaker 4: only twenty two, you got a good fifty eight more
Speaker 4: years left to live. Maybe we'll see, but yeah, but
Speaker 4: there's so infinite many things that I'm sure you could
Speaker 4: find out in the universe that you can get good
Speaker 4: at to give you a sense of competence, and that
Speaker 4: you can do with other people to give you a
Speaker 4: sense of community. So just like I know it gets
Speaker 4: hard and I've been there, before where you get really
Speaker 4: invested in a hobby or a thing, or a career
Speaker 4: or just anything, and then you're like, oh, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you know what.
Speaker 2: You don't want to go back down.
Speaker 4: You don't want to climb down the mountain because you're
Speaker 4: so invested in. However much time you put into a
Speaker 4: thing feels like if you tried to do it again,
Speaker 4: it would take forever but the best you but it's
Speaker 4: to sit and kind of dwell and be like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: I'm fucked because I can't do this one specific thing
Speaker 4: out of the infinite things that will fulfill my desire
Speaker 4: for community and feeling like I'm worth a shit.
Speaker 2: Is not a good idea because there's so many.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like the it's the abundance versus scarcity scarcity.
Speaker 4: People always get mad at me when I say that word,
Speaker 4: this abundance versus scarcity mindset, You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So so what else? So is there anything else that
Speaker 4: you can do? Like the wheelchair basketball or what's going on?
Speaker 3: Luckily it's not at that point yet. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: pretty like, I'm pretty fine. To me, I might have
Speaker 3: over exaggerated a little bit. It's just you know, kind
Speaker 3: of thinking about from where I was a few years
Speaker 3: ago to where I am now. You know, there are
Speaker 3: just times when I feel like, Okay, maybe I could
Speaker 3: be doing I could be at a little bit of
Speaker 3: a better position. Sure, you know if these injuries never happened,
Speaker 3: like kind of going off.
Speaker 2: But that stuff. But you can't.
Speaker 4: But you can't, you I'm I'm you can't think about
Speaker 4: that that way. Yeah, you can't, because life just throws
Speaker 4: fucking wrenches at you and.
Speaker 2: You just have to, Uh, I don't.
Speaker 4: I just think you have to kinda take take it
Speaker 4: all in, like you were not, like like nothing was.
Speaker 2: Ever going to be perfect. Maybe maybe maybe for some people.
Speaker 4: It is, but not but for most people nothing, nothing
Speaker 4: was ever going to be perfect the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And you know, just to I mean kind
Speaker 3: of go off of that. I was thinking more about
Speaker 3: how just for for a long time, I think I've
Speaker 3: I've built this kind of almost body, this morphia sort
Speaker 3: of thing going on. We're now like when I'm when
Speaker 3: I'm in the gym or i'm training someone, I see,
Speaker 3: you know, I see these other people and I know
Speaker 3: it's not a good, good habit to be looking at
Speaker 3: other people or comparing, but you know, sometimes it's hard
Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, you know, what if what if
Speaker 3: this never happened and you know, had to had I've
Speaker 3: been able to achieve you know what this guy's got
Speaker 3: going on, And I know that that's not healthy. But
Speaker 3: I'm just being honest with you here that that's Those
Speaker 3: are the thoughts that kind of come into my mind.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm kind of slowly working my way out
Speaker 3: of that, you know, years and years course of kind
Speaker 3: of body body image problems.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe, you already know this, but you you, you,
Speaker 4: and there are natural thoughts that we all have. We
Speaker 4: look at we're always comparing ourselves to other people because
Speaker 4: there's no there's no real like fucking guidebook to anything,
Speaker 4: So you're just always looking at other people. I do
Speaker 4: this too, and I have to remind myself you can't
Speaker 4: fucking do that, you know. Yeah, you can't compare, You
Speaker 4: really can't.
Speaker 2: You really can't compare. Not only you really can't.
Speaker 4: Not only you not only can you not compare yourself
Speaker 4: to other people. That's gonna fuck you, but you're gonna
Speaker 4: really fuck yourself if you compare yourself to other potential
Speaker 4: versions of yourself were events difference, Like if you sit
Speaker 4: around and you're like, you're like, oh, my life could
Speaker 4: have been so much different if this happens, or if
Speaker 4: this didn't happen, or if I didn't make this mistake.
Speaker 2: But it's just just no reason to do that.
Speaker 4: If you you know, if you're gonna compare yourself to anyone,
Speaker 4: compare yourself to the version of yourself that decided that
Speaker 4: none of that shit matter, then you and that you
Speaker 4: were gonna go off and make a good life for
Speaker 4: yourself anyway, if you're gonna compare yourself to anyone, compare
Speaker 4: yourself to that guy, because that's that's the guy that
Speaker 4: that you could still be.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, man, you know, trying to remind myself,
Speaker 3: you know, we're only in a competition with ourselves. So
Speaker 3: I mean it's hard when like it's writing in your
Speaker 3: face sometimes, but it's just it's just every day Bail
Speaker 3: trying to kind of reinforce that, Yeah, that makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense.
Speaker 2: No, I'm always uh.
Speaker 4: I mean also just I know, I know you're not
Speaker 4: with the whole comparing yourself to other people thing.
Speaker 2: It's a strong like.
Speaker 4: Unhappy, it's a strong sense of unhappiness and that. But
Speaker 4: there's also there's another version of it where like, uh,
Speaker 4: you can compare yourself to people who are where you
Speaker 4: can you compare yourself to people who are like less
Speaker 4: fortunate than you, and you're like, well, at least I'm not,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I think for a while, I was
Speaker 4: a lot of times in my life where I was
Speaker 4: kind of self conscious about my height, you know, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard me, but that's that's
Speaker 3: another thing that I was kind of almost compensating forward
Speaker 3: with this living thing because I'm I'm barely five seven,
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to I'm trying to, you know, deal
Speaker 3: with that is also you know, something that I grew
Speaker 3: up with, you know, in high school and.
Speaker 4: With all these Yeah, i mean I'm barely five seven too,
Speaker 4: but it's always but you know how much worse it
Speaker 4: could have been for us.
Speaker 2: It could have been so much.
Speaker 3: Worse for a fucking that fucking angry Bagel guy on.
Speaker 4: YouTube, like we could have in the Angry Bagel on YouTube,
Speaker 4: like you really can't do you you know what, you
Speaker 4: know what it is, and I actually I'm so glad
Speaker 4: that you called in to talk about this because I
Speaker 4: just came, really, I came to an epiphany about.
Speaker 2: This that I'm happy to share.
Speaker 4: Is like, I'm really I'm beginning to really feel like
Speaker 4: comparing yourself to other people, you're trying to cherry pick life.
Speaker 4: You're trying to like take everything that's good about everyone
Speaker 4: else's life and everything that ever could have been good
Speaker 4: about your life and remove everything that's bad and cherry
Speaker 4: pick yourself this perfect life made up.
Speaker 2: Of only the things that are good about about other
Speaker 2: people's lives and you. And you just can't do that.
Speaker 4: You can only have you can only have somebody else's
Speaker 4: good things. When you're like, when you're comparing yourself to
Speaker 4: another person, you can only have their good things if
Speaker 4: you take all the bad things that happened to them too.
Speaker 4: Like when you're watching a guy in the gym and
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, this guy's in good shape. I wish
Speaker 4: I could be in as good shape as him. You're
Speaker 4: not disc you're discounting all how all everything in that
Speaker 4: guy's life the horrible.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You have that comes in a package deal. You can't
Speaker 4: just take all the good things out of everything you
Speaker 4: see and use it to make perfect life that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: So you just gotta take you just.
Speaker 4: Gotta kind of I guess, I guess take stock of
Speaker 4: whatever is good in your own life and just be like,
Speaker 4: thank god, I have this little more. Thank God I'm
Speaker 4: five six and I'm not you know, the to whatever
Speaker 4: how the bagel guy's heights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, thank god I have.
Speaker 4: I have fucking have have something. You know, if you
Speaker 4: sit around and you're like, I have this thing, but
Speaker 4: it's not enough. I need this guy's thing, and I
Speaker 4: need I need this guy's thing, but I don't want
Speaker 4: this guy's thing. This guy's has this thing that I
Speaker 4: don't want.
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't, but I don't want you know, his
Speaker 4: horrible childhood or whatever the fuck you know you can't
Speaker 4: do you just can't do that. And I and by
Speaker 4: the way, I'm like giving, I'm giving a whole spiel
Speaker 4: right now, but I forget this all the time, and
Speaker 4: I'm I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's human. It's human nature to to feel,
Speaker 3: you know, Like you said, these stuffs are natural, and
Speaker 3: I think we're all dealing with them, to be honest,
Speaker 3: and nobody's perfect, so we're never gonna be able to
Speaker 3: be in a situation where we see someone who's you know, bigger, better,
Speaker 3: whatever the case might be, and just automatically, you know,
Speaker 3: just remind ourselves that we, you know, we shouldn't be
Speaker 3: doing that. I think it takes a lot of time,
Speaker 3: and you know, honestly, talking to you, it's been you know,
Speaker 3: awesome getting that that insight and you know, just continuing
Speaker 3: to practice that stuff is super important.
Speaker 2: There's also.
Speaker 4: Well I also think about it a lot in my
Speaker 4: own self because I think a lot of the times
Speaker 4: I wish that, uh, like you, like you wish you
Speaker 4: didn't make certain you just wish you made different decisions
Speaker 4: in your own life, or you wish something. You just
Speaker 4: wish that certain things didn't happen a certain.
Speaker 2: Way, and you can't. But you also made good decisions.
Speaker 4: With your life, you know, and you think about that.
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't. You can't cherry pick this ship.
Speaker 4: It's just your life and the way you lived it,
Speaker 4: and every single thing about you up until this point
Speaker 4: in your life is what it is, and it's major
Speaker 4: who you are, and you're grateful. You got to fucking
Speaker 4: ever be anything and go from there, and go from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't.
Speaker 4: Dwell, don't dwell that you that you that your legs
Speaker 4: are broken. I mean that probably sucks. By the way,
Speaker 4: I just see I'm I'm yeah, yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 3: Probably my legs aren't broken. It's not that bad.
Speaker 4: But okay, because I was talking to you, I was
Speaker 4: talking to and I was kind of like I was,
Speaker 4: I was thinking about my life, and I was like, well,
Speaker 4: at least my legs aren't broken like this guy's legs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, No, I'm kind of over exaggerating it.
Speaker 3: It's more of just like I have like little pains
Speaker 3: here and there from like hold injuries. It's nothing that's
Speaker 3: like immobilizing or anything like that. But I get exactly
Speaker 3: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, thanks for letting me, Thanks for letting
Speaker 4: me go on this fucking.
Speaker 2: Gary Vaynerchuk's speech to you, this folk.
Speaker 3: Man, Thank you THO was really insightful and I'm glad
Speaker 3: I finally got to, you know, talk to you that
Speaker 3: that shit was awesome.
Speaker 2: What's your name again?
Speaker 3: My name is Joe. Joe.
Speaker 4: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 4: people of the people who are folding their laundry while
Speaker 4: they're listening to this.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, continue to have a positive outlook on
Speaker 3: life and keep keep being you. I think he said
Speaker 3: a best while. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks Man. Take take to Joe, take care of Joe.
Speaker 2: See you later.
Speaker 3: Man, you two while talk you Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm just thinking about this stuff
Speaker 2: a lot. I've been thinking about this stuff a lot
Speaker 2: because I've been thinking about.
Speaker 4: My own personal goals in life, and I've decided that
Speaker 4: my main goal for twenty twenty five, I'm gonna d
Speaker 4: I'm gonna finish out this year. I'm not gonna put
Speaker 4: a pressure to start this year. But my main goal
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty five is to not be going insane
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 2: It's my main goal.
Speaker 4: Because I feel like I'm really grateful for the way
Speaker 4: that my life is panned out so far. I've gotten
Speaker 4: to meet so many people, I've got to do so
Speaker 4: many really cool, incredible things. I really think if I
Speaker 4: died tomorrow, I did it. You know, I did good.
Speaker 4: So now I'm just like and I'd like to continue
Speaker 4: living the rest of my life creating things and.
Speaker 2: Doing stuff. But if I have to go, if I
Speaker 2: have to go, insane to do it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Then I don't know if it's worth it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep rambling.
Speaker 4: This is fun because like h like, anxiety can be
Speaker 4: kind of can be like a motivator, can motivate you
Speaker 4: to do things, can motivate and put kind of a
Speaker 4: fire under your ass to accomplish stuff. And and it
Speaker 4: also makes you afraid of losing of losing things too,
Speaker 4: And so that kind of motivates you to do things.
Speaker 4: And and you kind of think if you kind of
Speaker 4: think to yourself like, oh, I need this anxiety that's
Speaker 4: going insane. I need it to be and to do
Speaker 4: anything to be like uh, to accomplish things in my life.
Speaker 4: And to a certain degree, I think that is a
Speaker 4: little true.
Speaker 2: I think that is a little true.
Speaker 4: But also at a certain point, the anxiety just makes
Speaker 4: your At a certain point, you have to you have
Speaker 4: to have a little meeting with your you're the parts
Speaker 4: of your brain that are constantly on edge and going insane,
Speaker 4: and go, Okay, are we is this really? Will life
Speaker 4: be better without this? Can we leave this behind and
Speaker 4: still uh you still live the kind of life we
Speaker 4: want to live. I'm pretty that's about that's, by the way,
Speaker 4: that's a hypothesis.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.
Speaker 4: It's very by the way, it's very well possible that
Speaker 4: you should be anxious, don't I'm not. I'm not here
Speaker 4: to tell anyone that they it's possible. It's my it's
Speaker 4: very possible that you should be anxious if your life sucks.
Speaker 2: I think if your life, if life sucks and.
Speaker 4: You're anxious that your life sucks, and that anxiety propels
Speaker 4: you to like this idea that you hate yourself into submission,
Speaker 4: and that causes you to do things.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's worked for me so far. But that's all.
Speaker 4: Like, that's the only playbook I have ah to offer.
Speaker 4: But I think I'm gonna try to try a new playbook.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you should hate yourself or not. That's real. I'm
Speaker 2: not being facetious. I'm not. I'm not I'm not. I'm
Speaker 2: not a I'm not a doctor, I'm not a psychologist.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm just a guy diarrhea in
Speaker 4: into a microphone about whether or not it is good
Speaker 4: to hate yourself. I hope this whole ramt made sense.
Speaker 4: It made a lot of sense to me. Uh okay,
Speaker 4: let's take another call.
Speaker 1: All from Chris.
Speaker 2: How you doing, buddy, What's up?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Man?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: You know the first thing that I wanted to say
Speaker 1: is how weird it is that I want to talk
Speaker 1: to a gecko. I'm here. I think I must have
Speaker 1: called a hundred times.
Speaker 2: It is weird. It is where I find it very
Speaker 2: I went.
Speaker 4: So I had a live show in uh DC, like
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, and my best friend Ryan
Speaker 4: came and he saw that there was like and he
Speaker 4: came and he saw, you know, everyone like kind of
Speaker 4: I meet everyone after the shows and uh you know,
Speaker 4: there's a big line of people that I was talking to,
Speaker 4: and after I spoke to all of them, I was
Speaker 4: talking to Ryan and he was like, he was like,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: No offense, but I think it's kind of I was.
Speaker 4: I was looking at that line and I was like,
Speaker 4: all these people want to talk to Lyle.
Speaker 2: So that's not I feel too.
Speaker 1: No, not center o, but do That's like the main
Speaker 1: reason I listened to you. I think you're very introspective.
Speaker 1: I love your take on things, and you know, I
Speaker 1: had a question, man, so I got some stuff that
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, but I have a question,
Speaker 1: and I want to know, like, do you believe in God?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: I know it's kind of personal, but I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: and I'm not.
Speaker 4: Like you could you could have asked. You could have
Speaker 4: asked some much more personal questions. Wait is it you
Speaker 4: say you had a couple of questions? This is the
Speaker 4: first of a couple questions.
Speaker 1: No, I had something else. I had some other stuff
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. Okay to me, but I
Speaker 1: was just curious.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, but I don't.
Speaker 4: Uh do I believe in God?
Speaker 2: Do I believe in God? I don't believe like not.
Speaker 2: I don't think I believe.
Speaker 4: In God in any way that has currently been expressed.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I like, like all the like
Speaker 4: like the classic religions like Christianity. I don't think any
Speaker 4: of that stuff is real or Judaism or anything.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't believe in like a God, like
Speaker 2: a guy. Like I don't think it's a guy.
Speaker 1: Uh, I hear you, dude, I understand.
Speaker 2: I think I think but I but I think that.
Speaker 4: Uh, I think that like human consciousness is this is
Speaker 4: like an insane, magical, god like kind of fucking unexplainable
Speaker 4: thing like our own consciousness is is uh, it's like magical,
Speaker 4: it's it's not of uh, it's like not realistic in
Speaker 4: a way. So I would believe that there's something that's uh.
Speaker 4: I would believe that consciousness is a spectrum and that
Speaker 4: we are not necessarily at the furthest right hand side
Speaker 4: of the spectrum, and that there there could be something
Speaker 4: more conscious than us.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, but I don't. I don't think there's
Speaker 2: like a I don't. I don't know if I believe
Speaker 2: in Jesus.
Speaker 1: I get you, dude, I totally get where you're coming from.
Speaker 2: Man, you sound like sound like you sound like you're
Speaker 2: you believe in God. That's why you're That's the response
Speaker 2: of someone.
Speaker 1: So I was raised in a Christian househo, and I've
Speaker 1: gone through my bouts, and you know, I don't. I
Speaker 1: still don't fully know if I believe. But what I
Speaker 1: do is uh, you know, I I whenever I get
Speaker 1: a second man, I try to thank God for uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like struggles and ship. But not only because
Speaker 1: I believe in God, but more so because it keeps
Speaker 1: me humble and it keeps me thinking myself. But I
Speaker 1: just I just recently started doing that, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it's made me a little bit happier of a person.
Speaker 1: So whether or not God is real doesn't necessarily matter.
Speaker 1: I'm not like a Bible reader and ship, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think keeps me humble. Man, I like it.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you this.
Speaker 1: I pray, dude.
Speaker 2: I pray. I well, because here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I there's I don't necessarily believe that there's like an
Speaker 4: external force that makes the things of the universe the
Speaker 4: way that they are. But I think all all the time. Uh,
Speaker 4: and it's like all the time. I I'll like, I'll like,
Speaker 4: I got through airport security yesterday and and it was
Speaker 4: not very busy, and so while I was waiting for
Speaker 4: my bag to come out, I just I just started praying.
Speaker 4: Like I put my hands together and I looked up
Speaker 4: and I was just like, please, you know, please, and
Speaker 4: thank you. That's what there's I just say. I just
Speaker 4: look I clasp my hands and I look up to
Speaker 4: this guy. I don't know who I'm talking to, but
Speaker 4: I just say like please, fucking just please, please, and
Speaker 4: fucking thank you. Oh my god, thank you, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 4: thank you, oh my God, because I feel very because
Speaker 4: I'm very because it's like, uh, you know, amways anxious,
Speaker 4: and so it's like please let everything It's like, please
Speaker 4: let everything be okay, and thank you for every morsel
Speaker 4: of everything in my life that's okay. Right now, I
Speaker 4: don't know who to ask please to and I don't
Speaker 4: know who to say thank you to, so I just
Speaker 4: clap clasp my hands.
Speaker 2: And look up.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, dude. You sound like you're explaining what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking right now. I feel the same way, Dude. I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. And so that was kind of
Speaker 1: one of those things that I think about because I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know what I believe, but I think I
Speaker 1: believe in something, dude, and just saying thank you, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at things a different way, like instead
Speaker 1: of like looking at everything that makes me mad is
Speaker 1: like an issue, you know, I look at it is
Speaker 1: like maybe something out there is just trying to show
Speaker 1: it's a better way, dude, Like, well, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a better way to go about it. And getting all
Speaker 1: mad and like saying, somebody, but why don't you feel Sometimes.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't my main thing is like I really
Speaker 4: don't know why I am me and like another person
Speaker 4: is another Like you like you'll see like a guy
Speaker 4: on the street and you're like, uh, I just I'm like,
Speaker 4: there's no fucking.
Speaker 2: Reason why I'm me and he's him.
Speaker 4: I mean there's like empirical reasons, like you know, we
Speaker 4: grew up differently and blah blah blah blah and all
Speaker 4: that stuff, but like what why is my consciousness and
Speaker 4: my why why I Why am I.
Speaker 2: Living my experience? And why is he living his?
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I believe in free will, but there's
Speaker 4: also something weirdly deterministic about why we end up the
Speaker 4: way that we do, because there's like when I see
Speaker 4: it on the street, I'm like, Okay, he probably was
Speaker 4: born to like he probably had shitty parents and probably
Speaker 4: grew up shittier than I did, and that led them
Speaker 4: every that caused something in his brain that maybe made
Speaker 4: different decisions, And it.
Speaker 2: Was like, well, what why the fuck was.
Speaker 4: He born into that lived experience and I was born
Speaker 4: into mine. There's there's no there's a reason I'm not
Speaker 4: like an inherent like none of I don't think any
Speaker 4: of us were like as babies were like inherently fucking
Speaker 4: like blessed to live good lives and others to live
Speaker 4: shitty ones.
Speaker 2: So I just have no ight. I can't I really
Speaker 2: can't explain that.
Speaker 4: Like you can explain that empirically, but you can't explain
Speaker 4: cosmically why these things are the way they are.
Speaker 1: I think I've also thought about that thing. I think
Speaker 1: of life. There's like a series of decisions. Dude, you're
Speaker 1: always pretty every second of every day, You're presented with
Speaker 1: a series of decisions, and your decisions do you where
Speaker 1: you want to go? I don't want to wake up
Speaker 1: to go to work out every morning at four o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. But you know what, I realized that
Speaker 1: if I don't, then that's gonna have identplications on my life.
Speaker 1: Some people don't care, and some people aren't able to
Speaker 1: think about the future, but I'm blessed enough to be
Speaker 1: able to so I do. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people around me, specifically, like I got one homie that
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, he makes great money, but his girlfriend
Speaker 1: is just a piece of shit and she does not
Speaker 1: want to go to work, and so they struggle every
Speaker 1: day even though he works as the ass off, and
Speaker 1: I got another homie that's worked at the same place
Speaker 1: for like ten years and it makes like twenty bucks
Speaker 1: an hour. I'm like, dude, I don't know. And it's
Speaker 1: not like they're not skilled people, but yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2: I think about that too, I really.
Speaker 4: I it's weird because I believe in free will, but
Speaker 4: I also am like, you know, because you have the
Speaker 4: ability to make your own decisions that determine what happened
Speaker 4: in your life. But a part of my soul just
Speaker 4: feels like, is I.
Speaker 2: Why are some people.
Speaker 4: Predisposed to make certain decisions that others are not?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, No, I get you, dude, I'm not even I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm just fucking around with this.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking. I just think about this stuff. I
Speaker 2: don't have, like it's definitive opinions on it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think any of this too, but it's
Speaker 1: cool to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the call, dude?
Speaker 1: So that's like, so could I switch gears for a site? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: So that's like a big reason that I actually listened
Speaker 1: to your podcast, dude, because I really like to take
Speaker 1: on things, and I think that the advice that you
Speaker 1: give people, even though sometimes vague. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: like the same shit that I would say. And actually,
Speaker 1: through listening to your podcast, man, I actually just went
Speaker 1: to my first therapy session last week. I think I'm
Speaker 1: actually doing pretty al right. I got some pretty manageable problems,
Speaker 1: but just unpacking seems kind of nice. So I started ut, you.
Speaker 2: Started going to therapy because of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I started thinking about it. Well, not strictly
Speaker 1: because of the podcast. You know, where the seat actually
Speaker 1: blossom goes through, like Charlotte and the God off the breakfast.
Speaker 2: Cool, let him. Let Charlotte and the God can have
Speaker 2: this one, for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, it was just that was the first place I
Speaker 1: had ever heard of it, like, you know, people being
Speaker 1: open about that and uh, you know, actually going to
Speaker 1: therapy and talking about it and not feeling weird about it.
Speaker 1: But then I listen to your podcast all the time
Speaker 1: I kind of thought about like what I would tell myself,
Speaker 1: and I mean, dude, just go unpack me and clear
Speaker 1: your head out a little bit. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 4: I didn't intend I uh, I didn't ever. I don't
Speaker 4: think I ever intended to be like a therapy guy.
Speaker 4: It happened very accidentally, dude.
Speaker 1: I love your story.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I wish that I would have cast ali saw some
Speaker 1: shit like you did. I'm twenty seven. I live in
Speaker 1: the middle of Illinois, dude, and every day I wake
Speaker 1: up and I think about, how the fuck maybe I
Speaker 1: could just not have to go to work tomorrow. No,
Speaker 1: I know I have to, but it sucks ass and
Speaker 1: I don't want that, dude. If I could do something
Speaker 1: like you do, dude, I would love that shit. Even
Speaker 1: if I could work for somebody like you and be
Speaker 1: a fucking assistant, that would be amazing.
Speaker 4: So, well, you said you had a thing in particular
Speaker 4: you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2: Is this it? What is the thing?
Speaker 1: No? No, I was just riffing with you, and so
Speaker 1: do the You know what, man, dude, I've been a
Speaker 1: heavy drinker for the past like ten years and I'm
Speaker 1: twenty seven, so it's been a good person in my life.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you still a heavy drinker?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just cracked one right now, dude. I'm working
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm slowly trying to taper off and
Speaker 1: work on a big topic in my therapy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm curious.
Speaker 4: Well, uh, I mean you know, I'm not a real therapist,
Speaker 4: but I'm down to chat about this shit.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: So, like, uh, here's what's awesome about alcohol is that,
Speaker 4: Uh I think people are generally happier when they're in
Speaker 4: the present and they're not like depressed about the past
Speaker 4: or worried about the future.
Speaker 2: And alcohol does.
Speaker 4: A really good job of making you fully present. Then
Speaker 4: you have to pay for it later. You know, you're
Speaker 4: you're borrowing from the future for that presence. But like,
Speaker 4: that's why it's it's condictive, is because you're it's you're
Speaker 4: it's like the short cut to living in the present.
Speaker 1: So I guess I think it's a good take.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious about this. What uh what is preventing
Speaker 2: you from living in the present?
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good question, man, That's one that
Speaker 1: I haven't talked about.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I think I I I to suffer from a lot
Speaker 1: of anxiety. I think that myself prevents myself from connecting
Speaker 1: with other people the way I would like to, whether
Speaker 1: that be getting frustrated or feeling not understood or I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure, you know, Like that's a that's a
Speaker 1: very it's a very tough question, you know, but I
Speaker 1: think that's probably the base of it.
Speaker 2: What's your real therapist tell you?
Speaker 1: Well, I just had my first session last week, so
Speaker 1: I haven't really figured it out yet, but you know,
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about uh, you know, are in
Speaker 1: the one session, I was talking a lot about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you ever feel like life is kind of just
Speaker 1: like on repeat? Sometimes? Like you wake up, well, I
Speaker 1: mean maybe now you wake up, go to work, come home,
Speaker 1: go to sleep, like kind of just feels yeah. Anonymously,
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that's
Speaker 1: also a big problem with it. And you know, I
Speaker 1: know that you also have tried stand up comedy, man,
Speaker 1: and you know, through watching Kill Tony Man, it's actually
Speaker 1: been one of the things that I wanted to do,
Speaker 1: is just get up on stage somewhere and open mic.
Speaker 1: I got a couple of jokes I've written might not
Speaker 1: be the funniest, but they don't suck as bad as
Speaker 1: some of those guys.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's funny because I would I would think
Speaker 4: you would watch Kill Tony and be like, oh this, uh,
Speaker 4: I never want to do this. This seems awful.
Speaker 1: Dude. I love that show Man, but it's people I
Speaker 1: cam and like, you know, all the dudes that go
Speaker 1: up there and just kill it, Like, dude, I love
Speaker 1: that shit.
Speaker 4: I just well because I always uh, well, actually no, no,
Speaker 4: I I took what I just said back because there
Speaker 4: is something about watching somebody do stand up comedy that's
Speaker 4: bad that makes you go, oh, I could do this shit.
Speaker 2: So I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy though, dude, even just when you picked
Speaker 1: up the phone, it's it's weird how you get nervous
Speaker 1: at times you really didn't think you'd get nervous, you know.
Speaker 1: So I could see myself getting on stage and just
Speaker 1: you know, maybe clam it up a little bit. I
Speaker 1: definitely would have to power through that shit.
Speaker 2: But well, yeah you have to do I mean you
Speaker 2: have to do it.
Speaker 4: You have to do it hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 4: and hundreds and hundreds of times.
Speaker 1: That's right, dude. I just want to try. Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's not like a I don't
Speaker 1: want to change my career or anything, you know, but
Speaker 1: I think it'd be cool. Dude. I think it's a good,
Speaker 1: you know, something to do.
Speaker 4: So you're so you're feeling like life is just getting
Speaker 4: too monotonous and you wanted to shake it up.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, dude, I'm so. I've been with
Speaker 1: my girl for nine years. Dude, I'm twenty seven. We
Speaker 1: got our we just bought our second house. We got
Speaker 1: two dogs, Like, oh gosh, I'm really doing the family life,
Speaker 1: you know. And I've worked construction for the past six years.
Speaker 1: I just joined the union. I had to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of a pay cut, but you know, in
Speaker 1: four years or in three more years, I'll be making
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and twenty grand a year. Issue.
Speaker 1: So pretty set. But man, dude, it's just day and
Speaker 1: day out, and sometimes it's the same shit.
Speaker 2: Uh oh. I have a few questions.
Speaker 4: You bought a second house, like as in, you sold
Speaker 4: your first house second one.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we no, no, we told our first one
Speaker 1: and got her second.
Speaker 2: Okay, you have two dogs. You have a wife, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Not a wife, she's a girlfriend. We're playing. I want
Speaker 1: to become a journeyman to make little bit more money.
Speaker 1: Before we decided we want to get married, not if
Speaker 1: we don't want.
Speaker 4: A girlfriend of nine years is basically a wife. Good point,
Speaker 4: there's no there's nothing if you guys getting married. I
Speaker 4: don't think we'll change really much in your relationship.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 1: Very good point, but I went.
Speaker 2: To, fuck, do I know I've never been married.
Speaker 4: Huh, So I mean, what do you want to what
Speaker 4: do you want to do with your with your life?
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing was stop drinking so fucking much. Dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure you had a little issue.
Speaker 1: With that, But I mean, dude, really, what I want
Speaker 1: to do with I want to figure out how to
Speaker 1: make videos of some kind that somebody would enjoy to
Speaker 1: where I could maybe do something like you do, even
Speaker 1: if it's just on the side. I think that would
Speaker 1: be really fucking cool. Dude. I don't know where to
Speaker 1: start or how to get the ball, okay, actually do
Speaker 1: anything like that. But dude, I really admire what you do.
Speaker 2: Well, you just you just you just do it. You
Speaker 2: just do it.
Speaker 4: I I know that there's like there's a lot to
Speaker 4: be said behind like, oh, you know, can I can
Speaker 4: I make a career out of doing this? Can I
Speaker 4: like get some steamrolling from doing this? But at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, I keep saying at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, that's my catchphrase apparently, But.
Speaker 2: I really think at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: It's like everything is just about the process of it, right,
Speaker 4: So what do you what process would you enjoy doing?
Speaker 4: If you like writing jokes and getting on stage and
Speaker 4: telling them, then just then just do it for the
Speaker 4: love of the process itself and then you die.
Speaker 2: That's it, Okay, you know what? Uh?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What processes?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: That's a real question. What processes would you enjoy doing?
Speaker 1: You know, I actually have a question for you. If
Speaker 1: it was if everything changed tomorrow, man, if you had
Speaker 1: to go back to doing anything other than what you're
Speaker 1: doing now because it's not working anymore.
Speaker 4: Where would you start if I had to do anything
Speaker 4: other than what I was doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like for income, like to support yourself, Like
Speaker 1: if you had to restart, like like the getro thing
Speaker 1: was totally over, Like, where would you start? I'm just curious.
Speaker 4: Sure, Well, well, like if I I guess, if I
Speaker 4: was like twenty two.
Speaker 1: I graduated from this, if this was tomorrow, if this
Speaker 1: was tomorrow, Yeah, like you guys, the experience of doing
Speaker 1: all this and like tomorrow it's just over. You gotta
Speaker 1: find somewhere else.
Speaker 4: If I got to find something else to do, Honestly,
Speaker 4: I'd probably like go The real answer is I would
Speaker 4: probably go bohemian mode to be honest, what does it mean?
Speaker 4: Like I would just I would go on like one
Speaker 4: of those like workaway sites or whatever, and I would
Speaker 4: be like, uh, I would be like, let me go
Speaker 4: to a work on a guy's farm in Italy and
Speaker 4: he can in exchange for a bed. Yeah, I would,
Speaker 4: I think if I that's what I would do if
Speaker 4: I had no money and I and I had no
Speaker 4: thing to make money, I would just be like, well,
Speaker 4: I would probably honestly would probably do is I'd probably
Speaker 4: like like if I, like, if I had to start
Speaker 4: over and I had no money, I would probably like
Speaker 4: go work at a bar or a restaurant or something
Speaker 4: and like try to save up a little bit to
Speaker 4: like go do that kind of workaway shit or like
Speaker 4: work at a hostel or any kind of like job
Speaker 4: where I could travel and meet people and stuff.
Speaker 1: So, so you said something really intriguing. So your first
Speaker 1: answer wouldn't be to do something on the internet. So
Speaker 1: you do you do you really feel like this was
Speaker 1: a stroke of luck or do you think that where
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it be to go back on the internet?
Speaker 4: Think about the internet, because the Internet is not where
Speaker 4: life happens.
Speaker 1: Well, that's where you make your money.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah it. I got very lucky that the
Speaker 4: Internet is now where it's totally. It was a struggle luck.
Speaker 4: I got very lucky that the Internet became where I
Speaker 4: make where I make money. But I mean, I mean personally,
Speaker 4: my my, I enjoy life the most. When I mean
Speaker 4: I'm enjoying, I'm enjoying talking to you right now, you know,
Speaker 4: because we're on.
Speaker 2: The the phone, which I guess is less being on
Speaker 2: the internet. But like, I mean, knowing what I know, now,
Speaker 2: that's what I would do.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a very interesting answer. I didn't expect that.
Speaker 2: What did you expect me to say, some.
Speaker 1: Type of Internet game? I mean, like, look at like
Speaker 1: somebody like Steeple will do it. He got kicked off YouTube.
Speaker 1: You know, his first thing is to find any other
Speaker 1: internet that sort of you know, revenue. Once you come
Speaker 1: from that kind of life, even though that might not
Speaker 1: be where you're living. I would just see it as
Speaker 1: being hard to transition back to any type of ninety five.
Speaker 4: Uh No, I don't think. I don't think I would
Speaker 4: do it nine to five. I think I would do like.
Speaker 1: Well, even just anywhere you have to wake up and
Speaker 1: do physical labor compared to what you're doing currently, because
Speaker 1: like I mean, I'm a carboner. He's like, I'm used
Speaker 1: physical labor and shit. But after I didn't do it
Speaker 1: for a couple years, I sure fuck wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: come back to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, life also just
Speaker 2: kind of hit. You know, you can fantasize about whatever,
Speaker 2: and then you know, maybe maybe when I shot up
Speaker 2: at that farm in Italy, I'll be like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: this fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, Can I ask you some awful all shit?
Speaker 1: What do you think about Adam twenty two? What?
Speaker 4: I I don't think anything about Adam twenty two. I
Speaker 4: merely know that he's a guy with a podcast.
Speaker 1: Dude, would you ever like switch it up and do
Speaker 1: some like freaky gecko shit, because that would also be
Speaker 1: another with the avenue you could go to?
Speaker 2: What is? I don't what?
Speaker 1: What do you dude think about? You got some crazy listeners, Dude,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you to get five of them to dress
Speaker 1: up as geckos and just have orgies and you can
Speaker 1: stream it and you could capitalize off them.
Speaker 4: Jesus man, I don't. I don't know what to say
Speaker 4: about that. That's uh, I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Here's here's what I'm gonna say. Here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 4: I I am very flattered that you think that people
Speaker 4: would want to see that.
Speaker 2: That's what I'll say to that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would purchase, but I guarantee
Speaker 1: you to have a I'm very.
Speaker 4: I'm very flattered that you think that people would would
Speaker 4: pay money to watch that.
Speaker 1: Dude, what if you didn't even have to be in it?
Speaker 1: You could just host these things.
Speaker 4: So you're saying if I I could just like I
Speaker 4: like you're saying that I have, I could have a
Speaker 4: second career in making pornography.
Speaker 1: Dude, you totally good.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think I've told this story before, but I'll
Speaker 4: tell it again. I was at I was at a
Speaker 4: v N which is like the porn convention, and I
Speaker 4: was like talking to this like, uh, I made a friend.
Speaker 4: He's he's a porn star. He's a nice guy. And
Speaker 4: we were talking and I made a joke to him
Speaker 4: about like starting an OnlyFans. I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: I'll do a Gecko OnlyFans And he looked at me
Speaker 4: like very like he didn't take it as a joke,
Speaker 4: because that's I realized I made a joke about what
Speaker 4: he actually does. And he looked at me and he
Speaker 4: very seriously said, oh, yeah, you can make a lot
Speaker 4: of money doing that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm not the only one I
Speaker 1: think so, Dude, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't think that that's what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. But uh, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 1: What about what about god Kid? You guys still cool?
Speaker 1: I really liked that episode you guys did. I thought
Speaker 1: that was out of a lot of your episodes. It
Speaker 1: was really good, dude, I didn't expect it to be.
Speaker 2: Uh doj Cat's a good don't you guys? Very cool?
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, dude, Dude, get her to take you
Speaker 1: on stage.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it works like that necessarily.
Speaker 4: But dude, wait, hold on by the way, by the way,
Speaker 4: by the way, by the way. I feel like we
Speaker 4: got off track here because you had to. You wanted
Speaker 4: to talk about yourself, and you got you flattered me
Speaker 4: and I've been talking about myself, which is just I
Speaker 4: understand why people want to call in to talk about
Speaker 4: themselves on this show. It feels good.
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean, dude, I kind of just like
Speaker 1: taking your brain a little bit. Dude. I like seeing
Speaker 1: what you think about things.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, maybe in another life I could have
Speaker 4: been a porn star. Maybe maybe why not? I don't know,
Speaker 4: why not? Why not?
Speaker 1: Why not? Dude? You never know what ten years is
Speaker 1: down the road? Me, don't ever say it never.
Speaker 2: That's cool. I mean, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 4: I like the idea. I'll say this, I'll say this too.
Speaker 4: I'll say this to you. I'll say this to you.
Speaker 4: I like the idea of being comfortable and confident about
Speaker 4: my body. That's why I make those little uh that's
Speaker 4: why I'll post pictures of myself on my Instagram in
Speaker 4: a speedo. There's something there. There's there is something I
Speaker 4: think freeing that feels good about, like being out there
Speaker 4: in that sense and not really not caring what other
Speaker 4: people think of your body.
Speaker 2: I think that's a freeing thing.
Speaker 1: Speaking of man, how you've been doing the gym, buddy?
Speaker 2: Uh? Oh, well, I've been on tour, so I've been
Speaker 2: eating candy.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll ship, dude, candy is a ship. But as
Speaker 1: long as you're going to the gym and being active. Dude,
Speaker 1: you got that man like who cares? I think I
Speaker 1: think it would be really positive for you if you
Speaker 1: they actually make it there once today. That's one of
Speaker 1: the one things that kind of provides a little bit
Speaker 1: of rigidity in my life and alps me not want
Speaker 1: to drink so much. Are you When I leave? I
Speaker 1: feel so good?
Speaker 2: Dude, are you in AA? Do you do AA?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily. I think that I drink for more
Speaker 1: deep rooted issues. So that's why I started therapy. I
Speaker 1: think group sessions isn't necessarily what I'm looking for. So
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I actually had to attend like
Speaker 1: NA and AA meetings because I got caught with pot
Speaker 1: high school and out of some weird restriction. That's what
Speaker 1: they maybe do. And I never felt necessarily comfortable around
Speaker 1: a lot of people twice my age dealing with more
Speaker 1: significant problems on my own. I feel like it's almost
Speaker 1: made me look down on my own problems. So more
Speaker 1: individualized approach is a little bit better for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been to a couple of those kinds of
Speaker 4: meetings before. They're it's kind of nice. It's kind of
Speaker 4: nice to be like, oh, there's other people who have the.
Speaker 2: Same problem that I do.
Speaker 4: I'm not an alcoholic. I've never been a big alcohol man,
Speaker 4: but but.
Speaker 2: I get it. Like I said, it puts you in
Speaker 2: the present.
Speaker 4: When I'm on tour after the show, if I'm hanging
Speaker 4: out with folks, I'll have a couple of beers or
Speaker 4: something like that, and it's, uh, it's nice.
Speaker 2: It's nice. It puts you in the present. It makes
Speaker 2: it way easier to talk to people.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I get exhausted, especially if it's like, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm fine talking to you right now, but it's like
Speaker 4: if I'm one on one talking to somebody.
Speaker 2: I'll get so exhausted.
Speaker 4: Like I hate I can't like like if I meet
Speaker 4: up with somebody and it's just me and them, I
Speaker 4: get kind of tired.
Speaker 2: My favorite I love.
Speaker 4: I love when it's like when I'm like in a
Speaker 4: group of like two or three other people and like
Speaker 4: you can stop, I can stop talking and let the
Speaker 4: other two people talk for a while.
Speaker 2: It's that's awesome.
Speaker 4: There's nothing fucking better on the planet Earth than being
Speaker 4: like a little buzzed and standing around in a group
Speaker 4: of other in a group of other people that you're
Speaker 4: a part of while they all talk, and you can
Speaker 4: just kind of beat and you're out and you're around
Speaker 4: other people, but you don't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: It's the best.
Speaker 1: I've been like that only, dude. That's like when you
Speaker 1: say a couple of edibles. Dude, that's the only thing
Speaker 1: that does it to me. I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: to anybody. I just want to sit and listen.
Speaker 4: Well, well, shit, well, uh, I got one more question,
Speaker 4: all right, hit.
Speaker 2: Me with your one more questions, sir. It's been a
Speaker 2: nice conversation.
Speaker 1: You ever been in trouble the law?
Speaker 2: Have I ever been in trouble with the law?
Speaker 1: I hope you got a good one for me, dude.
Speaker 1: If not, I got one for you, I'm sure you do.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: I have ever been in trouble with the law? Uh?
Speaker 2: Have I ever been in trouble? I've ever been like
Speaker 2: a writin.
Speaker 4: No, I have never been arrested or like I mean,
Speaker 4: I got my ra caught me smoking weed in my
Speaker 4: dorm room in college.
Speaker 2: That's probably Uh, that's really it, all.
Speaker 1: Right, dude. Well let me leave you with this one,
Speaker 1: all right. So it was the first time me and
Speaker 1: a group of guys like, dude, all my closest friends.
Speaker 1: When we were like eighteen years old, we all got
Speaker 1: acid for the first time, right, And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you take an acid, but there's a difference between
Speaker 1: acid and research chemicals. I didn't know. Acid wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to taste like anything. So if you ever take a
Speaker 1: tab of acid, tells like irritates like metal, spin it out, dude.
Speaker 1: It's not worth it. Man, you don't have a violent trip, Dude,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be real rough. So we all popped these
Speaker 1: tabs right about an hour goes by. Everybody's feeling it
Speaker 1: and everybody's having a good time. All of a sudden, dude,
Speaker 1: one of my guys turns the lights out and starts
Speaker 1: yelling at everybody. There's cops there, right, and so we
Speaker 1: all duck down. We're all hiding or whatever, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we see two cops run past the window,
Speaker 1: and so my buddy, he's tripping out, Dude, he's thinking
Speaker 1: that we're all about to go to jail. Everybody's fucking
Speaker 1: like having a bad trip, and it was terrible, right,
Speaker 1: So this is what actually happened, dude, So about like
Speaker 1: thirty minutes after we took the tabs, this dude got
Speaker 1: pulled over directly in front of my guy's house, some
Speaker 1: random dude that nobody knew. And this dude ended up
Speaker 1: fucking taking off and running from the cops. So the
Speaker 1: cops ran right past the garage and we're all sitting
Speaker 1: there hiding from him for like an hour, and all
Speaker 1: they did was run past. Nobody ended up getting arrested
Speaker 1: and nothing happened. Man, dude, though the crazy first trip.
Speaker 1: If I wasn't all nervous right now, I probably would
Speaker 1: have told the story about her. But man, that was
Speaker 1: a good one.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, what's your name again? Man, I'm Chris, Chris Chris.
Speaker 2: This is a nice conversation.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 2: I feel calm. I feel calm. I feel comfortable talking
Speaker 2: to you. For whatever reason, you seem you're a cool guy.
Speaker 1: Thanks, dude, I appreciate that. Man. Hopefully I'll get to
Speaker 1: come to one of your shows and beat you in person. Man,
Speaker 1: I would definitely have a beer with you some storyully.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully hopefully we don't have a beer together.
Speaker 4: Hopefully we hopefully you know what I'd love, I'd loved
Speaker 4: I'd love maybe one day we can share a diet coke.
Speaker 2: That sounds nice.
Speaker 1: That sounds nice. You're right, what city?
Speaker 2: What city are you in?
Speaker 1: I'm an Illinois man. I'm like great out Chicago.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, hopefully I'll come back to Chicago
Speaker 4: at some point. I had some good times there. Chris,
Speaker 4: it is nice talking to you brothers. There anything else
Speaker 4: you want to say to the people of the computer
Speaker 4: before we go, No.
Speaker 1: Man, Just dude, I had to call like a hundred times,
Speaker 1: so if you're calling a hundred times that it might
Speaker 1: work once. Take care, mister Chris, Ety buddy.
Speaker 2: That was Chris. That was Chris.
Speaker 4: I've decided in this show, I kind of I've been
Speaker 4: thinking a lot about this podcast. This podcast, it's mainly like, uh,
Speaker 4: it's mainly other people talking, which is nice. But I've
Speaker 4: decided I also I want to talk a little bit more.
Speaker 4: So that's why sometimes I talk over people, so which
Speaker 4: I guess I shouldn't do. But I'm trying to be
Speaker 4: more confident, trying to express myself. I'm trying to speak
Speaker 4: more and not be so anxious about things. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to share things about my life. It feels good, it
Speaker 4: feels good to talk and ramble, and I don't. I'm
Speaker 4: not as concerned about I'm trying to be less concerned
Speaker 4: about rambling uh or repeating myself.
Speaker 2: But I also I think I would. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't like the idea that the pocket. It's like
Speaker 4: I want a little balance, you know. I don't want
Speaker 4: it to be just me and my thoughts because I'll
Speaker 4: get sick of myself almost immediately, But so I'll sprinkle.
Speaker 2: Them in here and there, like I'm doing right now.
Speaker 3: Never goes on the line taking your phone calls every night,
Speaker 3: never goes to his side's.
Speaker 2: Teaching you aloud in them of your life. But he's
Speaker 2: not really an expert.