1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: The animal rights group PETA that's People for the Ethical 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: Treatment of Animals recently published what may be the strangest 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: press release on the Internet to date. Pet president Ingrid 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: Newkirk announced her intention to bequeath various body parts to 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: well known figures and organizations. She's updated her last will 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: and testament so that upon her death, the clothing brand 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: north Face will receive one of her feet, Elon Musk 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: will receive a piece of her heart, and Donald Trump 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: Junior will get her spine. 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: What about the heart that. 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: You promised, tin Man and the courage that you promised? 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: Collard le Lyon when I'm scarecrow free? 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: Why is miss Newkirk decided to be the world's weirdest 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: organ donor? According to the press release, she's doing it 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: to quote ensure that she continues drawing attention to animal 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: abuse and exploitation even after her death, which you know, 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: drawing attention is what they do for the price of 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of dollars. What's more, each 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: of her various appendages have a cutesy metaphorical meaning, like 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: a gross children's book. North Face is getting her foot 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: so she can quote give the company a kick in 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: the behind for selling down and wool elon. Musk is 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: getting her heart because quote his cruel and deadly neuralink 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: brain experiments on monkeys, pigs, rats, and sheep indicate that 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: he doesn't have one. And Trump Junior will receive her 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: spine because if he had one, he might stop quote 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: trying to prove his manhood by gunning down magnificent, unthreatening, 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: and unsuspecting animals. The north Face, Musk, and Trump aren't 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: the only beneficiaries of Newkirk's generosity. She's been donating other 34 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: body parts to Westminster Kennel Club, the Governor of Alaska, 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: and the King of Spain. She would also like someone 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: to fry up or flesh with onions for a human barbecue, 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: and saw off her other foot for an umbrella. Stand. Now, 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: I know what you're wondering. Is it legal to send 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: your body parts to your enemies? Allah the Godfather? Unfortunately 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: for Newkirk, probably not, at least not in the United States. 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: The state of Virginia, where the Humane Society headquarters are located, 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: only allows anatomical gifts for the purposes of transplantation, therapy, 43 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: research or education. I suppose Newkirk might justify her gifts 44 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: as a way to educate her recipients about animal welfare, 45 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: but I think that's probably a stretch. This week, we've 46 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: got legislation, animals and so much more. But first, I'm 47 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: going to tell you about my week. And my week 48 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: was pretty spectacular. Loaded the truck up to the gills, 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: hitched up the black Series, and headed northwest to Glacier 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: National Park Country. Stopped in some old haunts along the way, 51 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: bumped into a bunch of great folks, and met up 52 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: with a bunch of old friends. We floated, we fished, 53 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: snort retrieved like a crazy dog. We collectively wrangled a 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: pile of small children and a herd of dogs. We kayaked, 55 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: we swam, we ate heartily. My turkey wing experimentation still 56 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: needs work. I ran the wings in the souwed until tender, 57 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: then dropped them into a three hundred and fifty degree 58 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: beef fat and coated them in cream style. Barbecue sauce 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: I would say extremely tasty, but that meat was still 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: a little uh springy, and I wasn't quite able to 61 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: get the skin to crunch like I wanted it to. 62 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: It's good to have goals, right, yes, Jeff Shoulder, Yes, chef, Yes, chef. 63 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: Yes Jef chef. Oh yes, shif yes chef. 64 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: The burgers I ran through the grinder were a big hit, 65 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: along with the antelope ribs, which disappeared incredibly quickly. Then 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: we seared scaled skin on snapper courtesy of probably Kimmy 67 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: Warner or Stephen Ranella, scallops and octopus poached in California 68 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: olive oil and sea salt, then seared it in the 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: piea pan until crispy three pia pants. All tasty, but 70 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: the turkey thighs in Canada goose sausage really made people 71 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: go holy hell. I had no idea those birds could 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: taste so good. It was awesome. We fed twenty people 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: for dinner and probably just as many for lunch out 74 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: of the pie a night alone, and that giant pile 75 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: of food was all done after a day of rafting 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: and fishing for cold clear water cutthroat trout right there 77 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: on the shoulder a Glacian National Park. Now, I have 78 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: not been or attempted to visit a national park since 79 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: I lived and guided whitewater and fishing on the edge 80 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: of this particular one. I lived in the back of 81 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: my truck or eventually, in nineteen seventy two terry camper 82 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: trailer in my buddy's parents' backyard. I was pretty darn 83 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: nervous to return. We had such great times then and 84 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: I just didn't want to see the changes. In fact, 85 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: just driving anywhere in Montana right now kind of gives 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: me anxiety. Why the hell would you build a house 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: there and ruin? This landscape just constantly rolls through my mind. Then, 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: stack on top of that anxiety the skyrocketing park attendants 89 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: and reservation systems and all the rudeness that comes out 90 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: of people who are attempting to protect quote their vacation 91 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: from everyone else who's on vacation. And that's typically what 92 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: makes me think of a really good house project to 93 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: tackle on holiday weekends. Things are changing around Glacier National Park. 94 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: The Old West g which my add character has been 95 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: homogenized into a bland landscape of cliche signs and kitsch 96 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: kitsch is spelled kitsch and it means a term applied 97 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: to art and design that is perceived as naive imitation, 98 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: overly eccentric, gratuitous, or of banal taste. Now you know 99 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: that all of these signs, which are totally unnecessary, are 100 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: in matching font and paint and could probably be found 101 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: Also in Branson, Missouri, it appeared that the local employee 102 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: base had largely been replaced with tourism employees from all 103 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: around the world, which I suppose inject some cultures in ways, 104 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: and I'm sure it provides some much needed economic opportunity 105 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: in other ways. But you know, it was a busy 106 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: weekend full of people, and I stuffed my pockets full 107 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: of micro trash, pieces of candy wrappers, the always gross 108 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: and horrid toilet paper, cigarette butts, and more toilet paper 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 2: in a fire circle right next to a lake that 110 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: someone decided to just leave instead of lighting them on 111 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: fire because I suppose they didn't want to walk five 112 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: feet to get more water to dump on a fire 113 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: that they just put out, or you know, break their 114 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: back packing out that extra ounce of trash or so 115 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: found random bits of clothing, fishing poles, fishing line. I 116 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: did a pretty darn good job on being the trash 117 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: hauling champion of the weekend, but I was outdone by 118 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: my buddy's six year old son, who said, Hey, look 119 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: what I just found and he held up a gallon 120 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: ziploc bag full of Marlborough reds and uh loose marijuana 121 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: and half a pre rolled joint. All that to say, gang, 122 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: it was still totally worth it. The rivers and mountains 123 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: and lakes were still there. It was still an epic 124 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: landscape and beautiful and full of brush choked grizzly bear 125 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 2: holes and bright clear cutthroat trout holes. Still a great 126 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: place to adventure and get together with friends. I had 127 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: a great weekend, and I hope y'all did two. Just 128 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 2: do me a favor and pick up a little trash 129 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: on your next celebration of public lands. Okay, okay. Moving 130 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: on to the legislative desk, the Washington State Department of 131 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: Fish and Wildlife is asking for public input on a 132 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: new wolf management plan that would downgrade the state's wolf 133 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 2: population from endangered to sensitive within the boundaries of the state. 134 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: This new designation would not impact the population's federal designation 135 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: under the Endangered Species Act, and it would not permit 136 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: wolf hunting, but it would acknowledge the incredible recovery wolves 137 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: have made in Washington State, and it would give ranchers 138 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: more flexibility to deal with wolves who repeatedly attack and 139 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: injure livestock. The wolf population has grown from virtually zero 140 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: in the early two thousands to a minimum of two 141 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen wolves in thirty seven packs with at 142 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: least twenty six successful breeding pairs. The latest model suggest 143 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: that wolves have a greater than ninety nine percent chance 144 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: of recolonizing the Southern Cascades and Northwest Coast by two 145 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: thousand thirty, which is the only recovery region where there 146 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: are no successful breeding pairs today. The plan would set 147 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: a target goal of at least four successful breeding pairs 148 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: in each recovery region before the population could be considered 149 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: for delisting in the state. If you'd like to weigh in, 150 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: search draft Periodic Status Review for the Great Wolf, or 151 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: visit themeeteater dot com. Forward slash Coal comments will be 152 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: open until August sixteen. Staying in the pack endw at 153 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: specific Northwest. I have some good news out of Oregon 154 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: thanks to listener Ellie Gage for sending this one. In 155 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: the Oregon legislature passed a bill that would restructure how 156 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife commissioners are selected. The 157 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: previous commission makeup required one person from each of the 158 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: five congressional districts, plus two at large positions, one east 159 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: side and one west side. The new statute bases all 160 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: positions on the river basin regions. There will be two 161 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: commissioners each from the Northwest and West Central regions, and 162 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: one commissioner each from the Southwest, north Central, and Eastern regions. 163 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: The Oregon Hunters Association says this change provides greater representation 164 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: to the eastern portion of the state and ensures the 165 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: commission will no longer be stacked with three or more 166 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: commissioners from the Portland area. This bill passed ust as 167 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: wildlife commissions around the country are being pushed by animal 168 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: welfare groups to marginalize the perspective of hunters and anglers. 169 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: On the surface, at least, this bill seems like it 170 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: will have the opposite effect, which is good news. Out 171 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: of the Pacific Northwest, the Atlantic northeast is a different story. 172 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: The New York legislature just passed a bill to end 173 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: so called wildlife killing contests. These contests usually target coyotes, and, 174 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: as we've covered before on this program, they're used to 175 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: manage specific coyote populations that local residents believe are causing problems. 176 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: The bill makes it unlawful to quote, organize, sponsor, conduct, promote, 177 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: or participate in any contest, competition, tournament, or derby with 178 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: the objective of taking or hunting wildlife for prizes or 179 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: other inducement or for entertainment. Violators will be fined between 180 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: five hundred and two thousand dollars. The bill makes an 181 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: exception for white tailed deer, turkey, and bear, presumably because 182 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: harvest is limited to just a few animals per person. Interestingly, 183 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: the bill does not make an exception for fish, so 184 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 2: it's unclear whether bass tournaments and other similar contests will 185 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: still be legal in the state. The bill passed both 186 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: legislative chambers by wide margins and now heads to the 187 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: governor's desk. In other bad bill news, the Massachusetts legislature 188 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: is considering a massive bill that would further restrict gun 189 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 2: ownership in the state. The bill is one hundred and 190 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: forty one pages long, so we won't be able to 191 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: cover everything here, but it changes the definition of quote 192 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: assault weapon to include all semi automatic firearms capable of 193 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: using a detachable magazine and including any one of the 194 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 2: usual defining characteristics such as a folding stock. It then 195 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: prohibits all ownership of those firearms without including a provision 196 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: that would grandfather currently own firearms or allow for any 197 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 2: kind of registration process. The only exceptions to makes are 198 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: for gun owners who owned prohibited firearms prior to September thirteen, 199 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. The bill also requires all guns to 200 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: be registered with the state and increases training requirements to 201 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: own a firearm. If you'd like to weigh in, get 202 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: in touch with your state representatives and tell them what 203 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: you think. HD four four to two zero is what 204 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: you want to comment on. Thanks to Mike Kraus for 205 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: letting us know about that one. Moving on to the 206 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: wolf desk, biologists announced earlier this month that gray wolves 207 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: are thriving at the Isle Royal National Park on Lake Superior. 208 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: The report comes five years after authorities airlifted nineteen wolves 209 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: to the island chain in an attempt to save the 210 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: dying population and try to limit the amount of destruction 211 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: moose we're doing on the island to the ecosystem. The 212 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 2: scientist's annual report estimates that there are thirty one wolves 213 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: on the island, up from twenty eight last year. Said 214 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: the wolves appeared to be forming three packs, with others 215 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: wandering alone or in smaller groups. I know what you're thinking. 216 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: This is an actual biology based experiment. It's not a 217 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 2: reality TV show. Yes, it's an island. It's about survival, 218 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: and they do use the word alone very confusing. The 219 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: moose total has dropped about fifty four percent since twenty 220 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: nineteen to about nine hundred and sixty seven, due to 221 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: both disease and the wolves. This is good news for 222 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: the biologists working on this project, but not everyone believes 223 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: it was necessary in the first place. Moose first migrated 224 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: to the island around nineteen hundred, with the wolves following 225 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: close behind, and it's been a battle Royale on Isle 226 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: Royale ever since. Their populations rose and fell over the 227 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: next sixty years, until a lack of genetic diversity destroyed 228 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: the wolf population between twenty eleven and twenty eighteen. Biologists 229 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: noticed this decline and shipped in wolds from Minnesota, Ontario, 230 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: and Michigan to rebuild the packs. But moose and wolves 231 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: aren't the only predator prey duo to occupy the island. 232 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: Linx and caribou had the same relationship, but I don't 233 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: see anyone advocating that we rebuild those populations. Plus global 234 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 2: warming means fewer ice bridges will form on Lake Superior, 235 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: which means the wolves may someday wind up with the 236 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: same genetic diversity problem they had in twenty eighteen. Even 237 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: some of the park's biologists say they may need to 238 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: import wolves every decade or so. Still, biologists would like 239 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: to maintain the status quo because it offers a unique 240 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: opportunity for research. Ile Royal is the longest continuous study 241 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: of any predator praise system in the world, and researchers 242 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: have gained valuable insight into wolf behavior since the project 243 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: began in nineteen fifty nine. Maintaining a healthy wolf and 244 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: moose population might be worth it for that one reason, 245 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: at least, That's what I think the researchers working on 246 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: that project would say. If you're thinking this is all 247 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: just craziness, keep in mind that when Lake Superior would 248 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: freeze every single year, Ile Royal would then be connected 249 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: to them mainland with an ice bridge frozen lake, right, 250 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: and that would allow these animals to you know, exchange genes, 251 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: get off the island, kind of like that reality TV show. However, 252 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: due to changing temperatures global warming, that ability to get 253 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: to the mainland just isn't there as frequently. Thanks to 254 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: listener Andrew Whitman for sending us that story. Moving on 255 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: to the animal attack Desk, a rabid beaver attacked a 256 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: man earlier this month as he was swimming in the 257 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: Connecticut River in western mass The beaver reportedly attacked the 258 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: swimmer three times, and the man was taken to the 259 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: hospital with wounds to his arm and chest. The beaver 260 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: was still latched on the man's arm while his friends 261 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: helped him reach the bank. The Board of Health chairman 262 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: declined to tell the media how the large rodent was dispatched, 263 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: but he did say that police responded to the scene 264 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: and now the beaver is dead, so draw your own conclusions. 265 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: The man was immediately put on an anti rabies regimen 266 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: and he's recovering at home. Believe it or not, this 267 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: isn't the first time beavers attacked a human in this 268 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: area of Massachusetts, another swimmer got jumped back in twenty 269 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: twenty one, and he sustained lacerations from head to toe, 270 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: had chunks of flesh torn from his arms and legs, 271 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: a fractured finger on his right hand, and a lacerated 272 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: tendon on his left index finger. According to the YouTube 273 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: channel Mike's Videos of Beavers, which I encourage you to 274 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: check out, and trust me it's safe for children, a 275 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: beaver can now throw a six inch diameter tree in 276 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: about ten minutes. If you'd like to see for yourself, 277 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: you can watch the whole thing on Mike's Videos of Beavers. 278 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: I'd be real careful typing that one in, but again, 279 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: you can imagine the kind of damage those teeth could 280 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: do to a human arm. Not my kind of river trip. 281 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: And the next time you're out there and you hear 282 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: that big tail slap, a couple other things might go 283 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: floating through your brain. Big thanks to Jerry Me for 284 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: sending that one in. 285 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Up. 286 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: In Oregon, a black bear attacked man after being shot 287 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: at twice for trying to eat the man's chickens. Craig 288 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: Lengthford told the Oregon Department of Fishing Wildlife that he 289 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: shot at the bear one evening as it was snuffling 290 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: around his chicken coop. He didn't know whether he'd hit it, 291 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: and the bear ran off. The next morning, Langford went 292 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: to investigate, and he found it very alive and very 293 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 2: angry black bear. He shot at the bear again and 294 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: it still didn't go down. Instead, it went after him. 295 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: Langford suffered injuries to his head and arms, but fortunately 296 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: for Langford, the bear didn't stick around to finish the job. 297 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: When deputies and wildlife officers arrived, they found and shot 298 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: a bear consistent with Langford's descriptions, and Nekruptcy revealed bullet 299 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: fragments from Langford's gun. Though officials didn't say which of 300 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: the two shots hit the bear or where it was struck, 301 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: they did remind residents that wounded bears are the most 302 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: dangerous kind of bear. Black bears rarely attack humans, but 303 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 2: wounded and cornered bears will do what most animals do 304 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: in that situation. Langford is expected to make a full recovery, 305 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: and chances are he might put a little solar powered 306 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: electric fence around that chicken coop and some solid bullets. 307 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: Another black bear attack, this one in Arizona, ended On 308 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: a much more tragic note, the Arizona Game and Fish 309 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: Department reported on Facebook that a sixty six year old 310 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: man named Stephen Jackson was having coffee in a remote 311 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: area about one hundred miles north of Phoenix. A black 312 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: bear attacked him in what appears to have been an 313 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: unprovoked or predatory attack. Neighbors heard jackson screams, but the 314 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: bear refused to abandon his victim, even after the neighbors 315 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: shouted and blasted their car horns. Eventually, one of the 316 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: neighbors retrieved a rifle and shot the bear, but it 317 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: was too late. Jackson had already died of his injuries. 318 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: This is the first fatal bear attack in Arizona since 319 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties, and officials are still trying to work 320 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: out what prompted it. They said there wasn't anything at 321 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: the site that would have encouraged the bear to hang around, 322 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: like food, a cooking site, or access to water. As 323 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: of this recording, officials are still investigating. For me, this 324 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: is an insult to injury thing, because when I'm camping, 325 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: one thing I darn sho or know is exactly how 326 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: much coffee I have. So to be attacked thus spilling 327 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: my coffee would have been a real angry cow bear encounter. 328 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. Moving on to the rhino desk, 329 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: Poaching continues to be a big problem in Africa, and 330 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: rhino horns are one of the most sought after prizes. 331 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: To help disincentivize poachers, conservationists have for many years been 332 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: sawing off rhino horns themselves. Without a horn, rhinos make 333 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: a pretty poor target for poachers, which, the theory goes, 334 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: helps ensure the continued survival of the species. Although those 335 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: de horned rhinos are definitely still alive, a new study 336 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: out of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that they 337 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: may not really be living. Black rhinos become less social 338 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: and less confident following their de horning, sort of like 339 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: if you made someone attend a fancy party wearing nothing 340 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: but a bathrobe. Would you still be able to have 341 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: a good time? Sure, but you're more likely to spend 342 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: most of the evening hiding in the bathroom. Rhinos are 343 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: the very same way. They don't like being around other 344 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: rhinos if they're not wearing their best Vanessa Duthay, the 345 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: studies lead authors, said, quote it's sort of like if 346 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: you put a muzzle on a dog. They're not so 347 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 2: sure of themselves anymore. They've lost their main defense and 348 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: their confidence. Day and her colleagues observed three hundred and 349 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: sixty eight rhinos and concluded that the territory of a 350 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: de horned rhinos shrank by an average of forty five 351 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: percent or four and a half miles. Male rhinos lost 352 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: around thirty eight percent of their territory, whereas females lost 353 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: about fifty three percent of their territory. The good news 354 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: for rhinos is that, like hair and fingernails, their horns 355 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: grow back. The bad news is that poaching is so 356 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: bad in some areas that conservationists have to DeHorn rhinos 357 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: every eighteen to twenty four months, and rhinos are still 358 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: killed by poachers. The d horning process leaves a small 359 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: amount of horn behind, so sometimes poachers will kill one 360 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: of the massive and dangered animals just for that small piece. 361 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: Moving on to the mail bag listener Anna Anderson wrote 362 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: in with what I thought was a great question about 363 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: chronic wasting disease and white tailed deer. She asked, quote, 364 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: if an animal is harvested in an area with known CWD, 365 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: with the best practice for containing the spread be bagging 366 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: the entire deer head and disposing of it in a landfill. 367 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: She's imagining a situation where samples have been sent away 368 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: to a lab and she's still waiting for the test 369 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: results to come back. Most state game agencies have a 370 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: page on their website that outlines best practices for deer 371 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 2: carcass disposal. I reviewed several of these and they all 372 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: say pretty much the same thing. The ideal scenario would 373 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: be to dispose of the brain, eyes, spleen lymph, glands, 374 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: and spinal cord materials at the kill site. That ensures 375 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: that if the animal were to have CWD, the densest 376 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 2: areas of CWD, p brain, spleen lymph, glands, spinal cord 377 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: all remain at that kill site. If the entire animal 378 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: is taken away from the kill site, then yeah, and 379 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: I'd agree with you. You are transporting CWD. Those parts 380 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: I just mentioned should be bagged up and taken to 381 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: a landfill. If you've already transported the animal, the worst 382 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: thing you could do is take those parts to a 383 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: new site and distribute them on the open ground. Another 384 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: email caught my eye from listener Sean Miller. If you're 385 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: a Kansas resident and a white tail hunter, that might 386 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: sound familiar. Sean was quoted in several national outdoor media 387 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 2: outlets as opposing the new ban on trailcams recently passed 388 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: by the Game Commission. The ban applies to all types 389 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: of game cameras on all public land in the state. 390 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: Sean said at the commission meeting that he would like 391 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 2: to see trail cameras allowed during the summer, but not 392 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: during the deer or turkey hunting seasons. He said in 393 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: his email quote, the excitement of pulling a camera card 394 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: is like Christmas in July to me and many others. 395 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 2: I would stop short of saying I'm more excited about 396 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: pulling cameras than i am about hunting, but it's closer 397 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: than you'd think. I'm sure other hunters feel the same way. 398 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: Sean thinks trail cameras are a way to keep deer 399 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 2: hunters engaged during the off season, and he doesn't buy 400 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 2: the idea that a trail cam ban will reduce conflicts 401 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: between hunters. He points out that public hunting grounds will 402 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: be packed no matter what, and nothing is going to 403 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: keep squirrel hunters, deer hunters and duck hunters from having conflicts. 404 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: The idea that banning trailcams will keep them from being 405 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: stolen also doesn't pass the smell test for Sean. He 406 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: calls that a quote jackass problem, not a camera problem. Boy. 407 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: That quotes very applicable to a lot of things. The 408 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: good news for Kansas hunters who want to keep us 409 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: using trail cams on public land is that coordinate. To Sean, 410 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: this conversation is not over. He said that even though 411 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: the final commission vote was unanimous, all commissioners seemed convinced. 412 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: Even the chairman who committed to passing the regulation before 413 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: the meeting, committed to continued discussion on the issue, Sean said. Quote. 414 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 2: While he stopped short of saying changes would be made, 415 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: he stated there would be discussion about potential amendments to 416 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: the REGs, possibly allowing the trail cameras at certain times 417 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: a year. Thanks for the update, Sean. The debate about 418 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: trailcams is far from over, and Kansas is a great example. 419 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: I encourage Kansas hunters to stay engaged and keep advocating 420 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: for the policies you believe. 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